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the "HARDCORE" question!
antonatsis
Member Posts: 109
ok so all this time that i read these forums,i keep seeing the this is "carebear" and this is not enough hardcore or whiners get everything!
now i want some of you to answer what does "HARDCORE" stands for YOU not what is the meaning of "HARDCORE"is for games,just your opinion and i want it for those aspects
PVP
PVE
COMBAT
CHARACTER PROGRESSION
just curious of what will the answers be :P
btw please i am not a very experience which means an answer like
"hardcore pvp is like the one on ultima or everquest "
is not a good answer :P
just say what you believe
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Hardcore for me is someone who tries to be the best at what they do.
It can be the best raiding guild in pve. The fastest raiding guild.
The best pvp guild. The best rvr guild.
Hardcore to me is not a ruleset but a mindset. Don't go into things half ass, give it every bit of attention and effort you can.
This.
didnt said about a hardcore player :P but about the game
what do you think is hardcore PVP
not what dou think is a hardcore player
didnt said about a hardcore player :P but about the game
what do you think is hardcore PVP
not what dou think is a hardcore player
Hardcore PvP? PvP that actually requires skill, and there has to be some sort of risk involved in it (losing gear, items), and in order for it to be harcore, it has to be promoted and encouraged.
Hardcore is one's qualifier for a level/degree of an aspect of gameplay that they find enjoyable.
I enjoy leveling but I do it very casually. I think the top level players in Lineage 2 are some seriously hardcore level.grind gamers.
I enjoy high risk/reward PvP. To use UO where you drop everything on death as an example, I don't find that level of PvP to be hardcore. BUT I think the guy that's playing a PK (perma-attackable to everyone) and is coming out to battle with top of the line hard-to-get gear is the hardcore PvPer. On the other end of the spectrum, you'll often find people in threads like this that will tell you that no PvP in a game is hardcore and if you really wanted hardcore you would start a fight in the streets or some other similarly ridiculous (to me) example.
I find no fun in raiding, so I see nothing hardcore about any aspect of that, however if you talk to a fan of raiding they could probably list you the various degrees of raiding and how one is more hardcore than the next to them.
Harcore and casual are degrees of a particular playstyle. It's entirely opinion, so it's always interesting to see people debate what is hardcore and what isn't.
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Yes you did say it was about players, You said it was NOT about the game .
"now i want some of you to answer what does "HARDCORE" stands for YOU not what is the meaning of "HARDCORE"is for games,just your opinion and i want it for those aspects"
and i agree with Greenie it's a mindset not a play style.
didnt said about a hardcore player :P but about the game
what do you think is hardcore PVP
not what dou think is a hardcore player
I think you are missing greenie's point. It's a mindset or playstyle. It not a game mechanic. For example, some people find Diablo 2 hardcore mode to be hardcore and others find it to simply be a waste of time.
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I think you are missing greenie's point. It's a mindset or playstyle. It not a game mechanic. For example, some people find Diablo 2 hardcore mode to be hardcore and others find it to simply be a waste of time.
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Well I used to actually PK/Duel legitimately in Diablo 2 Hardcore servers. It was a mindset. I had the mindset that i'd take the ultimate risk and i'd lose my character and everything else if I died (it happened a lot). Of course, I was actually legit while a lot of the fakers had chicken hack and god knows what hack and it was kind of lame. But as someone said it was the mindset. However, I wouldn't want an MMO hardcore server. It just takes too long to replace your stuff, at least in Diablo 2 you could replace get your level back very quickly, gear was tough, but I used to make dueling builds so I could outsmart duelers and usually win. But not cool in an MMO.
If i were to think of a hardcore MMO server, give every player 100 deaths. Have it start tabulating at lvl 25 or whatever and if you die less than 5 times you get a nice halo, if you die 100x you get a black mark on your character so everyone knows you suck.
In that regard, it is hardcore, because no one would party with someone who has deaths but then again when you get wiped in raids, it has got to be the most hilarious experience ever.
I remember in dialbo 2 hc if you were level 40 in PvE you were godly. I only got one char past lvl 40 and i got it up to lvl 67 before I quit
i was like 18th highest paladin on the server.
Cryomatrix
P.S. I was playing RoM last night on a PvP server and I'm a healer (and i actually like it compared to a previous post) and someone pked me while we were in the middle of the boss . . . absolutely brilliant, it didn't wipe the whole group but goddamn was it hilarious. Then i went to the bathroom and got pked and dropped my helm lol.
You can see my sci-fi/WW2 book recommendations.
See, to me that's pretty hardcore and a damn cool feature.
You'd probably also have peopel that see it in reverse - where the halo guy is the zero-risk carebear and the one with a thousand black marks is the hardcore PvPer.
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A couple of people have touched on it already but yea game mechanic's are not "hardcore"
Even in Diablo's system I don't find that hardcore because you can recreate the character,class, and level up again.
It still came down to your "build" as you stated, which is similar to saying a camaro is hardcore when compared to a miata, but if the drivers are both doing 50mph how hard core is it?
IF the driver of the miata goes all out and pushes that car to it's limits in speed and handling, that's hardcore.
People not mechanics are hardcore.
Hardcore for me is the opposite of easymode
A hardcore gamer don't wan't stuff handed for them on a gold platter and fast. They are ready to go the distance and enjoy the challenge. The greater the challenge the greater the feel of accomplishment and they love that feeling!
+ Hardcore gamer loves risks. If you fail you must lose something or it won't be a challenge at all.
R.I.P Chikaca Whachuchu
Pictures speak louder than words...
"Hardcore" Gamers:
And now for Hardcore PvP:
Nuff' said....
In PvP a 'hardcore' player is someone who can accept a really tough PvP environment.
And not just accept "PWNING" someone else (most people accept that) but accept being "pwned".
And not just once...but over and over again.
And still say "this is great fun" and spawn in again.
I play WWIIoL so for me it's one shot one kill. No armour. Not...-20points armour ...-30points armour ...-20points armour & 10 points stamina etc.
*BANG*
BLACK SCREEN
Often you don't even see where the shot came from.
Sometimes you don't even have a chance to fight back (I just got machine gunned by a tank while armed with a rifle).
That's why I scoff at these 1337 spe4k1ng kiddies who talk about 'hardcore'.
A 'carebear' for me is someone who only wants games that make people feel good. Some don't even want players to have ANY risk of even a slight failure. That to me is not a 'game'. On the extreme I have seen carebears who don't even want PvP anywhere near them. That's fine...except when they chose to follow a game where some PvP is inevetable and even expected.
It would be a bit like a poster going to the Bloodbowl Forums and saying "the game should be less violent and have a 'negotiation interface'??
No problem with carebears in the right sort of game. Hello Kitty Online?
Nothing says irony like spelling ideot wrong.
I disagree with this point. That is just a gambler. A hardcore gamer loves the challenge and beating it. Whether you lose anything in the attempt is secondary.
I disagree with this point. That is just a gambler. A hardcore gamer loves the challenge and beating it. Whether you lose anything in the attempt is secondary.
We can call it different degree of hardcore then
example:
WOW PVP: you lose nothing. (You can just throw yourself at the enemy all you want and have nothing to worry)
Darkfall PVP : you can lose everything you have on you. Now thats a challenge and very exiting!
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To me hardcore is a way over used label that folks tag on their forehead, beleiving it gives them bragging rights.
I disagree with this point. That is just a gambler. A hardcore gamer loves the challenge and beating it. Whether you lose anything in the attempt is secondary.
We can call it different degree of hardcore then
example:
WOW PVP: you lose nothing. (You can just throw yourself at the enemy all you want and have nothing to worry)
Darkfall PVP : you can lose everything you have on you. Now thats a challenge and very exiting!
Yet oddly, those so-called "Hardcore" DF players simply play naked, so they do not lose anything.
What could we make of that, I wonder......
Of all the people, I can't believe you were the one that went there. *shakes head*
I also didn't think it would show up this early in the thread.
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Hardcore to me means that you as a player want to be challenged and have to put "effort" into toon. You want to have to think and use your brain while playing a game, you want to have to explore and learn while playing a game.
Effort does not equal time.
Hardcore PvP is PvP that punishes you for losing and rewards you for winning. The PvP has a point, IE conquest.
Sooner or Later
Of all the people, I can't believe you were the one that went there. *shakes head*
Why does that surprise you? I subscribe to many different gamer labels (retro, indie, shmup) but "hardcore" is not one of them. If I could just have one wish, it would be that the word, NAY, the very concept of hardcore would be purged and cleansed from the gaming lexicon!!
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/1544131/Man-dies-after-7-day-computer-game-session.html
now thats my defintion of hardcore gamer.
sorry if that offended anyone.
That is not hardcore. It is alot of things, which I do not want to go into since I dislike speaking ill of the dead, but it is not hardcore.
This is not related to the game or the reply, but I had a random thought while reading this.
Softcore porn are people doing it half assed. ROFL
I hope using the word porn does not break forum rules, I am new to this forum.
For me the term "hardcore pvp game" shouldn't be. I don't think its game mechanics that make someone hardcore, but how they play.
I think of it this way, you can be a hardcore pvper in WoW, say you spend night and day practising to get better, or you level a profession to get an extra bonus over your oponents. Or you skype on a team, and practise over and over. Then you are prolly hardcore. If you play Darkfall and pvp naked, even though Darkfall has tougher penalities for death, you arn't hardcore.
I would prolly consider myself a hardcore pve player, when I have a game I am playing, I play hard, I love thr grind, I do everything to be the best at the classes I pick. I am the type of person who prior to raids grinds and makes say pots or buff foods for everyone. I am passionate about my gaming, and give it all I can
Hardcore isn't a game mechanic, its what you do with the mechanics that makes you hardcore.
By these definitions, one could also say that 'hardcore' gamers are people that need to invest more time to have fun as compared to "carebears" and/or require some form of punishment along the way. I know, I am exaggerating - but still, they way some people talk sure as hell makes it sound that way.