Looks like an investor lawsuit has hit the books in AZ. It's filed by Nedra and Robert McKell against everyone in sight: CME, Garvick, CMG, MMOGULS, and Now Corp. It looks like there was a judgment in Utah already. I wonder if their court records are online.... Edit: Hmm, it doesn't look like you can link to cases from here. So, go to the search site, then do a search by case number for CV2009-093004 And it looks like Utah charges for online access to cases... darn.
Great find and thanks for posting, seems that someone is going to nail this guy legally my question is will the judge be clued up enough to see through the phoney divorce? I should think most are and if not the prosecution wouldn't let it slide, seems when it comes to taking it like a man Gary chooses to hide behind a woman!
"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience"
There is a way to do this quickly.. Nedra[s complaint will NEVER float, plus in this jurisdiction, it will take MONTHS to issue any such order, if approved.. Trust me when I tell you how slow the process is in Maricopa County..
There is a way.... 214.587.3977.... Any interested investors that put $25K and up call me., any former employees owed more than $10,000 in back pay, call me..
There is a way to do this quickly.. Nedra[s complaint will NEVER float, plus in this jurisdiction, it will take MONTHS to issue any such order, if approved.. Trust me when I tell you how slow the process is in Maricopa County.. There is a way.... 214.587.3977.... Any interested investors that put $25K and up call me., any former employees owed more than $10,000 in back pay, call me..
This sounds like one of those guys on TV...
"Have you been hurt in an accident? The insurance company won't pay? CALL ME! I'M THE BULL DOG! I'll sue the pants off the insurance company and get you a big fat check!"
You should see it for what it is, because of the ongoing litigation between Whiting/CME/MMOGULS and me, I am not able to contact, in any way, any employees, agents, directors, officers, investors etc etc etc .. I CAN respond to anyone who contacts me or my lawyer.. All that will be resolved in a few days, BUT for the time being, anyone that wants to immediaty address the issues and have significant investments or money owed them, they can email me or contact my lawyer:
Nedra is from Utah, has the financial ability to pursue Whiting, BUT she has no idea what you face in Mesa and in Maricopa County, it is a world of it's own. I personally interviewed 6 lawyers before I hired Diego.. I consider him one of the most sincere and dedicated lawyers I have everworked with and he is very connected to the political machine that has influence in this state.
Mesa is like the land of OZ when dealing with the Mormon community, it is what it is. I have never seen people defend their own with such passion and stupidity, even when they know they are dealing with a thief and piece of crap like Whiting. Whiting has preyed on, abused, and stolen from the Mormon community, and CONTINUES to do so. He has disgraced the true LDS religion by living and promoting a open polygamist lifestyle, yet the very community that he screws day in and day out, circle their wagons, throw their money in, and keep this piece of toe jam going..
Whiting and his multiple wives, Gagon, Deering, Jenson, Lilly, Carroll and others I will not name will ALL feel the wrath of JUSTICE before the sun sets on CME.. Some will go to jail, others will loose their investments, some might loose their families over this, but that is called collateral damage. The innocent ALWAYS suffer when they live off the spoils of the crooked.
That is what warriors call casualties of war, and what Whiting never figuered on was a all out ake no prisoners fight to the end, He is accostomed to bullying, manipulating, decieving and stealing from non-confrotational people, and he is good at it..
NOT THIS TIME............ Justice and Fairness For All... That slogan is written on the back of my lawyer's business card.. He actually believes it, and so do I.. We look forward to the fight.....
Out of curiosity http://www.jaffapartners.com/ do you have permission from MGM to use IP imagery that belongs to the Stargate to promote your own business.
I just find it strange that all these companies out there using MGM copyrighted IP material to promote business' that are not part of MGM, jaffa partners, mmoguls, etc. As for as I knew the only commercial business' that could use the SG IP for there use were ones that had agreements and contracts with MGM.???? Just a thought.
Out of curiosity http://www.jaffapartners.com/ do you have permission from MGM to use IP imagery that belongs to the Stargate to promote your own business.
I just find it strange that all these companies out there using MGM copyrighted IP material to promote business' that are not part of MGM, jaffa partners, mmoguls, etc. As for as I knew the only commercial business' that could use the SG IP for there use were ones that had agreements and contracts with MGM.???? Just a thought.
If you are talking about my website/card image, it is taken from items in the public domain, no copywrited imagery, AND with the written consent of CME and MMOGULS.
in fact, Wendi Horton, Whiting's assistant, referred me to the person who did the imaging.. Of course that was last October, when I officed right down the hall from MMOGULS and downstairs from CME headquarters..
You are using imagery that maybe in the public domain, but it still cannot be used for commercial use, unless you have written persmission to use it from MGM, considering you are supposed to know the law, I thought you would have known that one.
Remember you are a commercial entity, using someone else's idea and so need permission to use there ideas from the IP, it doesnt matter if the image is in the public domain, usually most large IP holders allow use of that sort of imagery for free for NON COMMERCIAL USE. Using it for a private company you need permission, dont you realise there is a difference between a copyrighted image and the person that holds the rights to the IP.
The guy that created the image may have released under public domain, it doesnt mean he has had permission from MGM to create it, also if he was to sell that image he would need permission from MGM as he doesnt hold the rights. I thought you would have known better than this...
As far as I knew you had to have permission from the IP holder to use IP that doesnt belong to you for commercial use, since you are making money or trying to by using THEIR product (IP). Note I mentioned IP. If this was the case you could use any images from SG without permission for commercial us for yourself, why would CME get permission to do this, and why would MMOGULS be told not to by MGM......
Since the SG is a MGM IP, they have the say if the images from the show, series or whatever can be used (even if they are not created by them), this is not about who did the public domain stuff, this is usually for non profit organisations, etc, but if your making money using there IP you NEED permission as far as I know. Or they have every right to sue you....
You are using imagery that maybe in the public domain, but it still cannot be used for commercial use, unless you have written persmission to use it from MGM, considering you are supposed to know the law, I thought you would have known that one. Remember you are a commercial entity, using someone else's idea and so need permission to use there ideas from the IP, it doesnt matter if the image is in the public domain, usually most large IP holders allow use of that sort of imagery for free for NON COMMERCIAL USE. Using it for a private company you need permission, dont you realise there is a difference between a copyrighted image and the person that holds the rights to the IP. The guy that created the image may have released under public domain, it doesnt mean he has had permission from MGM to create it, also if he was to sell that image he would need permission from MGM as he doesnt hold the rights. I thought you would have known better than this... As far as I knew you had to have permission from the IP holder to use IP that doesnt belong to you for commercial use, since you are making money or trying to by using THEIR product (IP). Note I mentioned IP. If this was the case you could use any images from SG without permission for commercial us for yourself, why would CME get permission to do this, and why would MMOGULS be told not to by MGM...... Since the SG is a MGM IP, they have the say if the images from the show, series or whatever can be used (even if they are not created by them), this is not about who did the public domain stuff, this is usually for non profit organisations, etc, but if your making money using there IP you NEED permission as far as I know. Or they have every right to sue you....
This is crazy, Gary Whiting has turned CME into a ponzi scheme and is using it to run a pyramid scheme at the same time. He still owes months of back wages, back taxes and is about to be sued into the stone age by this Nedra lady who he owes an alleged $3 million dollars too! He's using the Stargate ip and MGM logo in all of these ventures and pulling MGM through the dirt.
However Yellow would rather get on Robert Guenthers back about using SG images from the public domain without permission! Well I guess if Gary can use them to run a ponzi and pyramid scheme without fear of retribution, I doubt Guenther is going to be s***ing his pants any time soon!
"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience"
I did a little reading up on this and yes you site IS IN VIOLATION of copyright using images from Stargate.
As to your comment about the image was public domain, this maybe the case, but this does not grant you the rights to use it for a commercially motivated website.
Images can have multiple layers of copyright. If its a reproduction, a copy or whatever, this will never over ride the original owner of the copyright holder.
The rights in images in each of these layers may be held by different rightsholders; obtaining rights to one does not automatically grant rights to use another, and therefore all must be considered when analyzing the rights connected with an image. Rights to use images will vary depending not only on the identities of the layers of rightsholders, but also on other factors such as the terms of any bequest or applicable license.
e.g. I copy the stargate logo or use one of there images, I reproduce this and make it available for public domain use, this doesnt not grant anyone the rights to use this at all. It just means I have made an image that I have made available to the public domain. I cannot override the oringal IP holders rights, just because I made it public domain. If someone uses that image they STILL CAN BE PROSECUTED for breaching copyright laws, just because the creator of the image says one thing, doesnt mean that the original layer of the copyright holder is over ridden.
Looking further into this, I have discovered that most companies will allow FAN, NON PROFIT, etc to use there images to promote thier products. Companies that are not promoting MGM products, like yours, can be using MGM's copyrighted images to relay a false image that you are linked with MGM. Which is misleading and a misrepresentation of what a company maybe trying to achieve.
Again your site IS BREAKING THE LAW, as you dont have permission from MGM to use there IP to promote your own business that is nothing to do with MGM, as mentioned above, using an image in the public domain still doesnt give you the right to use it.
This is crazy, Gary Whiting has turned CME into a ponzi scheme and is using it to run a pyramid scheme at the same time. He still owes months of back wages, back taxes and is about to be sued into the stone age by this Nedra lady who he owes an alleged $3 million dollars too! He's using the Stargate ip and MGM logo in all of these ventures and pulling MGM through the dirt. However Yellow would rather get on Robert Guenthers back about using SG images from the public domain without permission! Well I guess if Gary can use them to run a ponzi and pyramid scheme without fear of retribution, I doubt Guenther is going to be s***ing his pants any time soon!
I believe I even quoted MMOGULS as being told not to use MGM IP material, does this give the rights to others to use it and be treated specially?
I was raising points that one person is saying x, whilst still doing stuff that x is doing himself.
I am not jumping on people's back if I am raising a valid point am I not. MGM has told MMOGULS you cannot do it (USE IMAGES OR ANYTHING ASSOCIATED WITH SG), and they have stopped, but they dont stop there downliners doing it, which makes them just as bad. My point is, if your gonna call someone out of doing stuff the wrong way, you need to set an example yourself, which by the looks of it isnt happening, see previous posts on copyright, and weak excuses on the use of 'public domain'.
Well I thought I'd settle this argument so I made a collect call to the Cayman Islands and this is the message that was sent via video phone for all three of us,
I'm not sure if that solves anything, what do you guys think?
"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience"
So sue me...... If MGM doesn't have a problem, dont think Ill really jump through to many hoops to make you happy, but thanks for your input...
you missed the point of why I mentioned it, because other have done it and you called them out on it, or whatever, doing what they do makes you no better. They broke the law, you feel righteous to show it, but you break the law so easily yourself.....
I think you responces how little you care about breaking the law, or stepping on other p showeople's property to get you own goals done. If you had replied that you had acknowledged you had made a mistake in the images used, and then removed them, then you are showing yourself as one individual who is above it and will do what he needs to lawfully do stuff, your so casual responce of 'so sue me' shows how little you disregard the law. Any sort of standing you have with people will fall apart, you are showing your true colors here. 1 law for you and 1 law for them....
My point was that you try to hold yourself in such high regard of the law, but so easily break it and disregard it when it doesnt suit yourself, and your post shows this. You could have taken my post as a helpful one, but decided to trivialise it, which only shows your true colors.
As to agricola responce with the image, I think you will see that MMOGULS was told not to use MGM and SG material. As to CME using them, CME HAS THE FRIKIN IP ATM TIO USE, they cant make people pay them to use it, only MGM can.. Having the rights to use the IP doesnt mean you can sell it to someone else, or even ask someone else to pay you to use it.....
I thought you would have known that, but obviously not from your post. Or has GW been trying to get people to pay him for using the SGW IP?
Agricola1, his head needs a lens flare and I think it's good to go.
I think you just gave away Gary's method for stopping potential investors. You see Gagon is the light man and whenever a potential investor is sighted he shines it on Whiting's head and the glare stuns the investor like a deer in headlights. Blinded and disorientated they're knocked over and dragged to the CME offices where Gary now takes over until he/she/they write a cheque out.
When they come back later for a refund/CME shares or an explination Gagon, Jenson and Deering shine it up their butts! That is where all the lens flare comes from my friend
BTW what ever happened to screenshots every two weeks? Did Khestral see a wage slip then have to be taken to hospital with cardiac failure or something?
"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience"
Well I am so distraught at the thought of using something on my personal cards and my "Site Under Construction" website that I need to go meditate a bit.. Goodnight and I hope no one tries to shine anything up my butt..
As to agricola responce with the image, I think you will see that MMOGULS was told not to use MGM and SG material. As to CME using them, CME HAS THE FRIKIN IP ATM TIO USE, they cant make people pay them to use it, only MGM can.. Having the rights to use the IP doesnt mean you can sell it to someone else, or even ask someone else to pay you to use it..... I thought you would have known that, but obviously not from your post. Or has GW been trying to get people to pay him for using the SGW IP?
Firstly I wouldn't believe everything Gary Whiting/MMOGULs/CME tells you, would you? Also there is no indication that Gary Whiting still has the SG ip, also you don't actually need the ip from MGM to either make an SG game or post images. You only need that IP to as you've already stated release the game or and profit making venture using stargate.
You seem to get really freaked out over Guenther using some Stargate images but when Whiting is using them for a pyramid scheme and using the SG name to advertise it, don't belive me? Listen to this click and tell me what you think! He goes to great pains to try and not mention CME and Stargate Worlds but they have to atleast once. The rest of the time it's reffered to as "that computer game company" and "That computer game".
Gary is signing up people to a pyramid scheme who are using the Stargate name and MGM logo to make money in an illegal pyramid scheme! So yes Gary is getting people to pay him to use his IP, so if Gary is getting away with it I don't see what Bob Guenther has to worry about!
"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience"
So if MMOGULS(sic) can do it then RG can do it, doesnt that mean they are both misrepresenting themselves? Using images and IP they dont have permission to use.
The whole point of my post was based on this premise, if your doing the same thing by misrepresenting yourself, and then calling it out on someone else, and then do it yourself, you are no better than them, no matter how big or small the misrepresentation is.
My point was that if RG is above all that then he wouldnt have used copyrighted terms used in the IP along with images to represent his company without concent from MGM. He makes himself just as bad as everyone else that does it. His excuse before about using public domain images was brash and showed how little he holds this forums users in knowledge of the law. Me having to call him out on that was all I did. With info to back it up, he has now acknowledged this....But his initial remarks regarding 'public domain', and 'so sue me' have degraded his overall opinion I have of him. We are not all mindless people in this forum, and we do hope to know whats going on. But these recent comments to this community has dropped his value as a poster to me.
My posts were there to be constructive, and hopefully RG will acknowledge this, jumping down on my posts because I have raised valid points. I really wish MGM would step in with the heavy boots and kick people into line, but with a company like that they will only do something once it has gone through the machinery.
You may note I havent even bothered raising points to MMOGULS (sic), as this would really be wasting space as we know MMOGULS wont do anything and I doubt they even visit this forum, but since RG comes here, to raise these points to him, if he follows through and does something, he is showing true colors to the community, not just another person that breaks the law to suit his own needs.
Are you serious or is this a joke?? Tell me you are just joking.... If not Whiting may have just found another hire, you two could carry on a conversation about nothing.. BTW, where do you see me "profiting" from the image.. Business cards and a site view for a 100% owned LLC.. I think that is a tad bit different than raising $60-70Million under the illusion of producing a MMORPG StarGate game or using the images to reel in 2000-3000 people for $250 membership and $50 a month tobe a MMOGUL..
since I disagree with you on some points, and have raised some issues regarding your website this makes me a GW follower, LMAO thats pretty weak.
I am just like everyone else on this forum, wanting a SGW MMORPG game based on SGW that rocks, whether that will happen only time will tell. You saying it wont is your opinion not fact, and disagreeing with you on some issues doens't put people in the other camp, its just that. they disagree with you.
If you think I am a GW or MMOGULS man you are seriously mistaken, and it really does show how little you know the SGW community.
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Wrong Gary Whiting. Our Gary was born 2/6/1956
So he was; my bad.
Great find and thanks for posting, seems that someone is going to nail this guy legally my question is will the judge be clued up enough to see through the phoney divorce? I should think most are and if not the prosecution wouldn't let it slide, seems when it comes to taking it like a man Gary chooses to hide behind a woman!
"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience"
CS Lewis
There is a way to do this quickly.. Nedra[s complaint will NEVER float, plus in this jurisdiction, it will take MONTHS to issue any such order, if approved.. Trust me when I tell you how slow the process is in Maricopa County..
There is a way.... 214.587.3977.... Any interested investors that put $25K and up call me., any former employees owed more than $10,000 in back pay, call me..
This sounds like one of those guys on TV...
"Have you been hurt in an accident? The insurance company won't pay? CALL ME! I'M THE BULL DOG! I'll sue the pants off the insurance company and get you a big fat check!"
The History of the Order of The Golden Shields
You should see it for what it is, because of the ongoing litigation between Whiting/CME/MMOGULS and me, I am not able to contact, in any way, any employees, agents, directors, officers, investors etc etc etc .. I CAN respond to anyone who contacts me or my lawyer.. All that will be resolved in a few days, BUT for the time being, anyone that wants to immediaty address the issues and have significant investments or money owed them, they can email me or contact my lawyer:
Diego Rodriguez, Esq.
Rodriguez Law Office
602.380.3849 or email him at diego@RLOPLLC.com
Nedra is from Utah, has the financial ability to pursue Whiting, BUT she has no idea what you face in Mesa and in Maricopa County, it is a world of it's own. I personally interviewed 6 lawyers before I hired Diego.. I consider him one of the most sincere and dedicated lawyers I have everworked with and he is very connected to the political machine that has influence in this state.
Mesa is like the land of OZ when dealing with the Mormon community, it is what it is. I have never seen people defend their own with such passion and stupidity, even when they know they are dealing with a thief and piece of crap like Whiting. Whiting has preyed on, abused, and stolen from the Mormon community, and CONTINUES to do so. He has disgraced the true LDS religion by living and promoting a open polygamist lifestyle, yet the very community that he screws day in and day out, circle their wagons, throw their money in, and keep this piece of toe jam going..
Whiting and his multiple wives, Gagon, Deering, Jenson, Lilly, Carroll and others I will not name will ALL feel the wrath of JUSTICE before the sun sets on CME.. Some will go to jail, others will loose their investments, some might loose their families over this, but that is called collateral damage. The innocent ALWAYS suffer when they live off the spoils of the crooked.
That is what warriors call casualties of war, and what Whiting never figuered on was a all out ake no prisoners fight to the end, He is accostomed to bullying, manipulating, decieving and stealing from non-confrotational people, and he is good at it..
NOT THIS TIME............ Justice and Fairness For All... That slogan is written on the back of my lawyer's business card.. He actually believes it, and so do I.. We look forward to the fight.....
contact me at bob@jaffapartners.com
Bob's back and with a vengence!
Out of curiosity http://www.jaffapartners.com/ do you have permission from MGM to use IP imagery that belongs to the Stargate to promote your own business.
I just find it strange that all these companies out there using MGM copyrighted IP material to promote business' that are not part of MGM, jaffa partners, mmoguls, etc. As for as I knew the only commercial business' that could use the SG IP for there use were ones that had agreements and contracts with MGM.???? Just a thought.
If you are talking about my website/card image, it is taken from items in the public domain, no copywrited imagery, AND with the written consent of CME and MMOGULS.
in fact, Wendi Horton, Whiting's assistant, referred me to the person who did the imaging.. Of course that was last October, when I officed right down the hall from MMOGULS and downstairs from CME headquarters..
You are using imagery that maybe in the public domain, but it still cannot be used for commercial use, unless you have written persmission to use it from MGM, considering you are supposed to know the law, I thought you would have known that one.
Remember you are a commercial entity, using someone else's idea and so need permission to use there ideas from the IP, it doesnt matter if the image is in the public domain, usually most large IP holders allow use of that sort of imagery for free for NON COMMERCIAL USE. Using it for a private company you need permission, dont you realise there is a difference between a copyrighted image and the person that holds the rights to the IP.
The guy that created the image may have released under public domain, it doesnt mean he has had permission from MGM to create it, also if he was to sell that image he would need permission from MGM as he doesnt hold the rights. I thought you would have known better than this...
As far as I knew you had to have permission from the IP holder to use IP that doesnt belong to you for commercial use, since you are making money or trying to by using THEIR product (IP). Note I mentioned IP. If this was the case you could use any images from SG without permission for commercial us for yourself, why would CME get permission to do this, and why would MMOGULS be told not to by MGM......
Since the SG is a MGM IP, they have the say if the images from the show, series or whatever can be used (even if they are not created by them), this is not about who did the public domain stuff, this is usually for non profit organisations, etc, but if your making money using there IP you NEED permission as far as I know. Or they have every right to sue you....
This is crazy, Gary Whiting has turned CME into a ponzi scheme and is using it to run a pyramid scheme at the same time. He still owes months of back wages, back taxes and is about to be sued into the stone age by this Nedra lady who he owes an alleged $3 million dollars too! He's using the Stargate ip and MGM logo in all of these ventures and pulling MGM through the dirt.
However Yellow would rather get on Robert Guenthers back about using SG images from the public domain without permission! Well I guess if Gary can use them to run a ponzi and pyramid scheme without fear of retribution, I doubt Guenther is going to be s***ing his pants any time soon!
"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience"
CS Lewis
I did a little reading up on this and yes you site IS IN VIOLATION of copyright using images from Stargate.
As to your comment about the image was public domain, this maybe the case, but this does not grant you the rights to use it for a commercially motivated website.
Images can have multiple layers of copyright. If its a reproduction, a copy or whatever, this will never over ride the original owner of the copyright holder.
The rights in images in each of these layers may be held by different rightsholders; obtaining rights to one does not automatically grant rights to use another, and therefore all must be considered when analyzing the rights connected with an image. Rights to use images will vary depending not only on the identities of the layers of rightsholders, but also on other factors such as the terms of any bequest or applicable license.
e.g. I copy the stargate logo or use one of there images, I reproduce this and make it available for public domain use, this doesnt not grant anyone the rights to use this at all. It just means I have made an image that I have made available to the public domain. I cannot override the oringal IP holders rights, just because I made it public domain. If someone uses that image they STILL CAN BE PROSECUTED for breaching copyright laws, just because the creator of the image says one thing, doesnt mean that the original layer of the copyright holder is over ridden.
Looking further into this, I have discovered that most companies will allow FAN, NON PROFIT, etc to use there images to promote thier products. Companies that are not promoting MGM products, like yours, can be using MGM's copyrighted images to relay a false image that you are linked with MGM. Which is misleading and a misrepresentation of what a company maybe trying to achieve.
Again your site IS BREAKING THE LAW, as you dont have permission from MGM to use there IP to promote your own business that is nothing to do with MGM, as mentioned above, using an image in the public domain still doesnt give you the right to use it.
I believe I even quoted MMOGULS as being told not to use MGM IP material, does this give the rights to others to use it and be treated specially?
I was raising points that one person is saying x, whilst still doing stuff that x is doing himself.
I am not jumping on people's back if I am raising a valid point am I not. MGM has told MMOGULS you cannot do it (USE IMAGES OR ANYTHING ASSOCIATED WITH SG), and they have stopped, but they dont stop there downliners doing it, which makes them just as bad. My point is, if your gonna call someone out of doing stuff the wrong way, you need to set an example yourself, which by the looks of it isnt happening, see previous posts on copyright, and weak excuses on the use of 'public domain'.
So sue me...... If MGM doesn't have a problem, dont think Ill really jump through to many hoops to make you happy, but thanks for your input...
Well I thought I'd settle this argument so I made a collect call to the Cayman Islands and this is the message that was sent via video phone for all three of us,
I'm not sure if that solves anything, what do you guys think?
"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience"
CS Lewis
Agricola1, his head needs a lens flare and I think it's good to go.
you missed the point of why I mentioned it, because other have done it and you called them out on it, or whatever, doing what they do makes you no better. They broke the law, you feel righteous to show it, but you break the law so easily yourself.....
I think you responces how little you care about breaking the law, or stepping on other p showeople's property to get you own goals done. If you had replied that you had acknowledged you had made a mistake in the images used, and then removed them, then you are showing yourself as one individual who is above it and will do what he needs to lawfully do stuff, your so casual responce of 'so sue me' shows how little you disregard the law. Any sort of standing you have with people will fall apart, you are showing your true colors here. 1 law for you and 1 law for them....
My point was that you try to hold yourself in such high regard of the law, but so easily break it and disregard it when it doesnt suit yourself, and your post shows this. You could have taken my post as a helpful one, but decided to trivialise it, which only shows your true colors.
As to agricola responce with the image, I think you will see that MMOGULS was told not to use MGM and SG material. As to CME using them, CME HAS THE FRIKIN IP ATM TIO USE, they cant make people pay them to use it, only MGM can.. Having the rights to use the IP doesnt mean you can sell it to someone else, or even ask someone else to pay you to use it.....
I thought you would have known that, but obviously not from your post. Or has GW been trying to get people to pay him for using the SGW IP?
I think you just gave away Gary's method for stopping potential investors. You see Gagon is the light man and whenever a potential investor is sighted he shines it on Whiting's head and the glare stuns the investor like a deer in headlights. Blinded and disorientated they're knocked over and dragged to the CME offices where Gary now takes over until he/she/they write a cheque out.
When they come back later for a refund/CME shares or an explination Gagon, Jenson and Deering shine it up their butts! That is where all the lens flare comes from my friend
BTW what ever happened to screenshots every two weeks? Did Khestral see a wage slip then have to be taken to hospital with cardiac failure or something?
"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience"
CS Lewis
To be honest, I do not know. I left my moderator duties there (SGW Forum) on June 30th. Asking me that question is a shot in the dark.
lol @ the explanation. :P
Well I am so distraught at the thought of using something on my personal cards and my "Site Under Construction" website that I need to go meditate a bit.. Goodnight and I hope no one tries to shine anything up my butt..
Firstly I wouldn't believe everything Gary Whiting/MMOGULs/CME tells you, would you? Also there is no indication that Gary Whiting still has the SG ip, also you don't actually need the ip from MGM to either make an SG game or post images. You only need that IP to as you've already stated release the game or and profit making venture using stargate.
You seem to get really freaked out over Guenther using some Stargate images but when Whiting is using them for a pyramid scheme and using the SG name to advertise it, don't belive me? Listen to this click and tell me what you think! He goes to great pains to try and not mention CME and Stargate Worlds but they have to atleast once. The rest of the time it's reffered to as "that computer game company" and "That computer game".
Gary is signing up people to a pyramid scheme who are using the Stargate name and MGM logo to make money in an illegal pyramid scheme! So yes Gary is getting people to pay him to use his IP, so if Gary is getting away with it I don't see what Bob Guenther has to worry about!
"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience"
CS Lewis
So if MMOGULS(sic) can do it then RG can do it, doesnt that mean they are both misrepresenting themselves? Using images and IP they dont have permission to use.
The whole point of my post was based on this premise, if your doing the same thing by misrepresenting yourself, and then calling it out on someone else, and then do it yourself, you are no better than them, no matter how big or small the misrepresentation is.
My point was that if RG is above all that then he wouldnt have used copyrighted terms used in the IP along with images to represent his company without concent from MGM. He makes himself just as bad as everyone else that does it. His excuse before about using public domain images was brash and showed how little he holds this forums users in knowledge of the law. Me having to call him out on that was all I did. With info to back it up, he has now acknowledged this....But his initial remarks regarding 'public domain', and 'so sue me' have degraded his overall opinion I have of him. We are not all mindless people in this forum, and we do hope to know whats going on. But these recent comments to this community has dropped his value as a poster to me.
My posts were there to be constructive, and hopefully RG will acknowledge this, jumping down on my posts because I have raised valid points. I really wish MGM would step in with the heavy boots and kick people into line, but with a company like that they will only do something once it has gone through the machinery.
You may note I havent even bothered raising points to MMOGULS (sic), as this would really be wasting space as we know MMOGULS wont do anything and I doubt they even visit this forum, but since RG comes here, to raise these points to him, if he follows through and does something, he is showing true colors to the community, not just another person that breaks the law to suit his own needs.
Are you serious or is this a joke?? Tell me you are just joking.... If not Whiting may have just found another hire, you two could carry on a conversation about nothing.. BTW, where do you see me "profiting" from the image.. Business cards and a site view for a 100% owned LLC.. I think that is a tad bit different than raising $60-70Million under the illusion of producing a MMORPG StarGate game or using the images to reel in 2000-3000 people for $250 membership and $50 a month tobe a MMOGUL..
since I disagree with you on some points, and have raised some issues regarding your website this makes me a GW follower, LMAO thats pretty weak.
I am just like everyone else on this forum, wanting a SGW MMORPG game based on SGW that rocks, whether that will happen only time will tell. You saying it wont is your opinion not fact, and disagreeing with you on some issues doens't put people in the other camp, its just that. they disagree with you.
If you think I am a GW or MMOGULS man you are seriously mistaken, and it really does show how little you know the SGW community.