My personal best is probably Ryzom. I don't know how they do it, but it was freakishly friendly. Close second would be both Eve and Wurm. The former mostly because of my alliance, the latter because i've met some nice people in it. However, wurm could definitely qualify for worst, too.
The worst..probably Guildwars. I haven't had a look at wow in ages, but i remember it to be pretty awful too. Still, Gw had so many self obsessed kids it was incredible.
The trade chat has turned into a teenage boys pissing contest of rude vulgar behavior.. The selfishness has reached new highs.. I would say that less then 10% of the playing population actually helps others and enjoys what little is left of the social mmo environment..
Best is LoTRO..
I still play this game was well, as a break from WoW, when the kids have chased me off.. LoTRO is generally mature, helpful and NOT full of teenage rants of "my toon can beat up your toon"..
Others to avoid are Aion (pissed off ex-wow players), and Eve (snotty elitist young adults)..
My personal best is probably Ryzom. I don't know how they do it, but it was freakishly friendly.
Close second would be both Eve and Wurm. The former mostly because of my alliance, the latter because i've met some nice people in it. However, wurm could definitely qualify for worst, too. The worst..probably Guildwars. I haven't had a look at wow in ages, but i remember it to be pretty awful too. Still, Gw had so many self obsessed kids it was incredible.
Darkfall was easily my worst. I met some genuinely nice players there but we were horribly outnumbered. Not that it surprised me - with the open pvp and full looting I kind of guessed it would appeal to players who formerly pulled the wings off butterflies.
Ryzom and Istaria would take the lead for most embarassingly helpful communities. People really do trip over themselves to help new players. Though neither is perfect.
I stopped playing Ryzom because of a particularly ugly aspect of the community. And because the community is so small, it' was hard to avoid. Istaria also had a core of bitter, angry players who (when I was playing) who would sometimes go totally feral in the chat channels.
I've also found the community so far in Eve to be pretty good - though from what I've read the politicking gets brutal in lower sec space.
I honestly don't think I can pick a best and don't expect I ever will. Some people are nice and some are total bastards, and while I think pvp-light MMOs like Ryzom are more likely to foster a good community, there's no keeping out the bad apples.
I think all a player can do is find a good guild and stick with them. That's where you find good community.
Ultima Online (around 1998) and Star Wars Galaxies (from the day of the release until I quit a month before they stuck a dick in the community's mouth)
WORST:
WoW. It seems as though WoW is full of a bunch of 16 year old piss-pants kids.
Haha. Damn. Check out that signature. You know I haven't logged on in a long long time.
Best: Ultima Online 1998 Chessy shard/ DAOC Percival.
Worst: WoW or for a matter of fact any new game released.
Back in the begining the MMO market consisted of a small group of folks. Folks trying something new, blazing new trails together, it was small, and it was community.
WW2 Online (not nearly enough players but they're all good people)
EVE (Decent community but still a bit too elitest for me)
WORST:
AoC (horrible community, no one gave a shit about anyone else and global chat was a purile competition in vulgarity)
DnL (a very distant second because when I played the community no longer existed!)
"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience"
Worst: AOC PvP Server. I don't get offended that easily, but 5minutes ingame left me pretty shocked.
I meant JTL, before JTL we needed to use starports to travel. They were great social centers of the game where people sold mounts or offered buffs in fact sold everything. You'd do some dueling and have a chat whilst waiting for the transport, even see a Jedi get taken down or something. JTL removed that from the game when everyone got there own personal shuttle, and the expansion sucked in my opinion.
It was the begining of the end that lead to the C/U/R/B and finally the NGE put the final nail in the coffin.
"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience"
Vanguard and Lord of the Rings Online have the best communities. Vanguard has a good community because the game is not very good and that keeps the kids away. Same with Lord of the Rings online, the game is a little tedious and boring and kids don't like that.
EQ2 appeared to have an excellent community until they allowed anyone to join level 1-9 chat, now level 1-9 is every bit as bad as WoW's barrens chat, maybe worse.
The Internet community itself has changed over the last decade. Back in the 90s, the Internet was populated by early adopter types, eg nerds. Today everyone and their grandmas are on the Internet.
WoW has the most diverse community of any MMO. It's a fun game for one and that attracts kids. These kids are unsupervised for the most part. We all were kids once and we know that kids can be the worst jerks.
That is exactly right, and we're not saying NO to save WoW, because it is already a lost cause. We are saying NO to dissuade the next group of greedy suits who decide to emulate Blizzard and Cryptic, etc. We can prevent some of the future games from spewing this crap, but the sooner we start saying no, the better the results will be. So - Stand up, pull up your pants, and walk away. - MMO_Doubter
The two BEST gaming communities I was ever a part of where not MMOs. In Mechwarrior Mercs I was part of two well done online communites that where full of people avid about their game and eager to teach others. The other great community was Star Fleet Command. We had some great people that loved the game and had no problems helping others even after a tough fight.
As for the best MMO Communities I have been a part of:
EVE Online, LOTRO
Worst MMO Communities:
EVE Online, WoW
EVE Online has it share of jerks and they have no problem being loud and vocal, however I have found it has it's share of great people as well. I have personally found my best experience with EVE havbe come when running with the Amarr RP groups. Lotro was just a fun community overall. I made lots of friends there and had a great time. WoW felt like I was working in a day care.
Best community: The Matrix Online. The community was fantastic, keeping that game alive way longer than it ever should had. They were fun to play with, and really into the game. Shame it had to go down the way it did, I'd still be playing if it was a success.
Worst community: AoC. I didn't really venture deep into the culture or anything, but Jesus, it feels likes at time NOBODY gets along in that game, and everybody backstabs everybody. And I wasn't even playing on a PVP server.
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Best: FFXI
Worst: WOW
Best community: Pre-CU SWG, followed by Saga of Ryzom and then EVE.
Worst community: WoW, followed by pretty much any themepark, gear-based MMO since WoW.
MMO communities have really went to the dogs over the past few years.
MMORPG History:
Playing - EVE Online.
Played (Retired) - AO, SWG, MxO, WoW, RFO, SoR, CoX, EQ2, GW, L2, Vanguard, LotRO, AoC, TCoS, Aion.
Favourite MMO - Pre-CU SWG, 3 Years, 4 Accounts, 2 Pre-CU Jedi (1 Pre-9).
Awaiting - Star Wars: The Old Republic, The Secret World, Earthrise.
Best would probably be Eq or Eq2, worst would be Mu, with wow comming in a distant second.
Best: Lotro
Worst: Runescape and WoW
Best-LOTRO
Worst-WOW
My personal best is probably Ryzom. I don't know how they do it, but it was freakishly friendly.
Close second would be both Eve and Wurm. The former mostly because of my alliance, the latter because i've met some nice people in it. However, wurm could definitely qualify for worst, too.
The worst..probably Guildwars. I haven't had a look at wow in ages, but i remember it to be pretty awful too. Still, Gw had so many self obsessed kids it was incredible.
Best: WoW, because there is an umlimited amount of different people in that game and it never fails to surprise me, not even after 5 years ^^
Worst: Actually, Eve, because those players seriously think they are playing the best game around
IMO.. Worst is WoW..
The trade chat has turned into a teenage boys pissing contest of rude vulgar behavior.. The selfishness has reached new highs.. I would say that less then 10% of the playing population actually helps others and enjoys what little is left of the social mmo environment..
Best is LoTRO..
I still play this game was well, as a break from WoW, when the kids have chased me off.. LoTRO is generally mature, helpful and NOT full of teenage rants of "my toon can beat up your toon"..
Others to avoid are Aion (pissed off ex-wow players), and Eve (snotty elitist young adults)..
Darkfall was easily my worst. I met some genuinely nice players there but we were horribly outnumbered. Not that it surprised me - with the open pvp and full looting I kind of guessed it would appeal to players who formerly pulled the wings off butterflies.
Ryzom and Istaria would take the lead for most embarassingly helpful communities. People really do trip over themselves to help new players. Though neither is perfect.
I stopped playing Ryzom because of a particularly ugly aspect of the community. And because the community is so small, it' was hard to avoid. Istaria also had a core of bitter, angry players who (when I was playing) who would sometimes go totally feral in the chat channels.
I've also found the community so far in Eve to be pretty good - though from what I've read the politicking gets brutal in lower sec space.
I honestly don't think I can pick a best and don't expect I ever will. Some people are nice and some are total bastards, and while I think pvp-light MMOs like Ryzom are more likely to foster a good community, there's no keeping out the bad apples.
I think all a player can do is find a good guild and stick with them. That's where you find good community.
BEST:
Ultima Online (around 1998) and Star Wars Galaxies (from the day of the release until I quit a month before they stuck a dick in the community's mouth)
WORST:
WoW. It seems as though WoW is full of a bunch of 16 year old piss-pants kids.
Haha. Damn. Check out that signature. You know I haven't logged on in a long long time.
Best: Ultima Online 1998 Chessy shard/ DAOC Percival.
Worst: WoW or for a matter of fact any new game released.
Back in the begining the MMO market consisted of a small group of folks. Folks trying something new, blazing new trails together, it was small, and it was community.
I just doesnt feel that way anymore.
Best: Final Fantasy XI by a mile
Worst: WoW
Best - UO (back in the day). Made some great friends there, some of whom I still talk to this very day (5 or so years after I stopped playing!).
Worst - Really not sure, generally most MMO communities are pretty samey (you get good and bad people playing any game). Probably WoW though.
Best: Age of Conan back in 2007 (closed beta)
Worst: Age of Conan right after release
Best: Lotro... they are just bunch of mature players
Worst: Aion... left because of the community and I dont like playing with bots.
Which Final Fantasy Character Are You?
Final Fantasy 7
In order,
BEST:
Darkfall (I know it's shocking!)
SWG pre-cu (good community until JTL destryed it)
WW2 Online (not nearly enough players but they're all good people)
EVE (Decent community but still a bit too elitest for me)
WORST:
AoC (horrible community, no one gave a shit about anyone else and global chat was a purile competition in vulgarity)
DnL (a very distant second because when I played the community no longer existed!)
"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience"
CS Lewis
How did the space expansion destory the game?
On topic:
Best: DAoC pre-ToA and pre Min-Max-mentality
Worst: AOC PvP Server. I don't get offended that easily, but 5minutes ingame left me pretty shocked.
How did the space expansion destory the game?
I was wondering the same thing...I think he meant RotW...I hope.
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Best Community. Every MMO
Worst Community. Every MMO
How did the space expansion destory the game?
On topic:
Best: DAoC pre-ToA and pre Min-Max-mentality
Worst: AOC PvP Server. I don't get offended that easily, but 5minutes ingame left me pretty shocked.
I meant JTL, before JTL we needed to use starports to travel. They were great social centers of the game where people sold mounts or offered buffs in fact sold everything. You'd do some dueling and have a chat whilst waiting for the transport, even see a Jedi get taken down or something. JTL removed that from the game when everyone got there own personal shuttle, and the expansion sucked in my opinion.
It was the begining of the end that lead to the C/U/R/B and finally the NGE put the final nail in the coffin.
"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience"
CS Lewis
Vanguard and Lord of the Rings Online have the best communities. Vanguard has a good community because the game is not very good and that keeps the kids away. Same with Lord of the Rings online, the game is a little tedious and boring and kids don't like that.
EQ2 appeared to have an excellent community until they allowed anyone to join level 1-9 chat, now level 1-9 is every bit as bad as WoW's barrens chat, maybe worse.
The Internet community itself has changed over the last decade. Back in the 90s, the Internet was populated by early adopter types, eg nerds. Today everyone and their grandmas are on the Internet.
WoW has the most diverse community of any MMO. It's a fun game for one and that attracts kids. These kids are unsupervised for the most part. We all were kids once and we know that kids can be the worst jerks.
Well shave my back and call me an elf! -- Oghren
Worst community ever?
Here.
Touche and WoW!
Best Community: FFXI
To a 'T'. Absolutely to a 'T'.
That is exactly right, and we're not saying NO to save WoW, because it is already a lost cause. We are saying NO to dissuade the next group of greedy suits who decide to emulate Blizzard and Cryptic, etc.
We can prevent some of the future games from spewing this crap, but the sooner we start saying no, the better the results will be.
So - Stand up, pull up your pants, and walk away.
- MMO_Doubter
The two BEST gaming communities I was ever a part of where not MMOs. In Mechwarrior Mercs I was part of two well done online communites that where full of people avid about their game and eager to teach others. The other great community was Star Fleet Command. We had some great people that loved the game and had no problems helping others even after a tough fight.
As for the best MMO Communities I have been a part of:
EVE Online, LOTRO
Worst MMO Communities:
EVE Online, WoW
EVE Online has it share of jerks and they have no problem being loud and vocal, however I have found it has it's share of great people as well. I have personally found my best experience with EVE havbe come when running with the Amarr RP groups. Lotro was just a fun community overall. I made lots of friends there and had a great time. WoW felt like I was working in a day care.
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Best community: The Matrix Online. The community was fantastic, keeping that game alive way longer than it ever should had. They were fun to play with, and really into the game. Shame it had to go down the way it did, I'd still be playing if it was a success.
Worst community: AoC. I didn't really venture deep into the culture or anything, but Jesus, it feels likes at time NOBODY gets along in that game, and everybody backstabs everybody. And I wasn't even playing on a PVP server.