I have to agree on Dark and Light being the most overhyped game ever lol.
"We have the largest game world ever! You can build huge intricate guild cities, dig your own tunnels underground, hell even make an underwater city! You can fly dragons, and give ones big enough to fit your whole guild on! You can even fight on them! There are sieges where troop formations matter and intricate political systems and a crafting system that even takes the alignment of the stars into account! The world is dynamic and creatures migrate if you overhunt them! You can design your own quests for your guild!"
And what we got was the biggest steaming pile of crap ever published. Taught me never to trust French game devs -_-.
Lore is a exscuse for some very bad game design decissions. Expect flame's to engulf this game on launch day over this very issue.
Its not bad game design its a choise ncsoft made to implent the flight in the game. you can fly everywhere in the abyss so its a choise of ncsoft to not allow flight in all zones.
Flight also isnt a way of travel but a tactical use for PvP
Altough you can glide everywhere. takes a bit practice but if done correct you can glide trough a whole zone
The only place I missed flying is the capitols. Don't understand why they don't allow flying there. Flying in PvE zones would be exploitable and isn't really necessary.
The only place I missed flying is the capitols. Don't understand why they don't allow flying there. Flying in PvE zones would be exploitable and isn't really necessary.
But thats the point like they said the entire game is built around flying when its not , They just slapped in a shitty little part of each map you can fly around which is rather pointless the only reasson you fly is to get aether. They might as well have put it on the bloody ground and left flying entirely till you enter the abyss. then it would not be so anoying.
The only place I missed flying is the capitols. Don't understand why they don't allow flying there. Flying in PvE zones would be exploitable and isn't really necessary.
Because all the aether available is needed to keep the city floating.
The hype has mostly come from the rabid Aion fankids that are screaming about how new, exciting, and revolutionary this game is and how it trumps all other games and has the best graphics EVAR and...
yeah. They've taken a fairly average (but solid, I'll admit that) game and tried to make it a godsend, and woe to those who don't agree.
Don't feel bad. I knew within the first few hours I wasn't going to like the game either. There'll be others coming out that might hold your interest a little better.
So don't listen to them. What's the problem? Kids also think ballons are the greatest things. I think we know better.
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Misleading - Flying , flying is a gimick in this they say its built around it well if its built around why can you only fly in a invisable dome around the towns in each zone , no where else, Untill the abyss , But even then its not unlimited. So yes they have been misleading when they release video's promoting the game going on about the game and being able to fly its completely misleading because its nothing like they make it out to be.
Geriden, what the heck are you talking about?
They have been up front about flying from the start. Just because you see an advertisement that shows flying, doesn't mean that it implies anything more than at some point you can fly.
To futher that point, when they first showed off Aion, people complained because the flying wasn't free at all. it was used as sort of a way to travel from one way point to another.
However, players were dissapointed because they wanted more free flight. so the devs went back and made it so that one would have more free flight. However, they always stated that the free flight was going to be limited depending upon a lot of in game factors.
No one at NC EVER said that one could fly wherever and whenever. There is not one dev or cm post that says this.
furthermore, for higher lvl players, given better equipment, pots, etc one can fly for quite some time. It's meant to be something that is a decision. Do I use it or not. Otherwise players would just float up above mobs and pick them off from the air. Might as well not have any ground game becuase flying would negate it.
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Ok so show me where they stated you can fly but its in this awesome invisable dome ?
They say you can fly where the aether is, They never said its practicly no where.
What ever way you put it you cant tell me flying in this game is in anyway what they lead people to think it will be like, Are you telling me your not going to see this forum and the offical forums flooded with complaints about how flight works because there isnt one person ive spoken to ingame and out of the game who thought flight in aion would be flying inside a invisable dome !
Why is this game overhyped? The tread title is misleading. What feature was hyped and was not found or was found lacking in this game?
The op is saying for all the comments about this game being the second coming that he was seriously undewhelmed by the game play so I don't see how the title is misleading there is plenty of talk of this being the "wow killer" and all the other tired responses you usually get from fanbois excited for some new release be it DF,AOC, or this. And though I partially agree that having only played ten levels is a bit harsh to give a review I don't see how if you don't like a game for the first ten levels that is going to change after, granted he won't be able to say anything about the game or it's features I have yet to play an mmo that I thought was boring in the early levels and found to be better later, will more features and content be opened sure but the game is not going to change so signifigantly that it will be a totally different game than it was in the early stages. So yeah he can't offer a good review of the game but it's just foolish to think that a game can do anything more than grow on you if you didn't like it in the first ten levels.
but yeah, to call this game Fantastic is like calling Twilight the Godfather of vampire movies....
Misleading - Flying , flying is a gimick in this they say its built around it well if its built around why can you only fly in a invisable dome around the towns in each zone , no where else, Untill the abyss , But even then its not unlimited. So yes they have been misleading when they release video's promoting the game going on about the game and being able to fly its completely misleading because its nothing like they make it out to be.
Flying is a main feature of the game so yes they are going to show a tons of vids with flying. No there was this one game with DX 10 ON THE BOX at release ....... along with a ton of other features not in game hmmmmmm........ maybe that is where this post should be in anyways. Back to your point , as other ppl have said being able to fly in PvE zones would lead to a ton of exploits , and having flying around cites to gather is kinda of smart this way ppl can LEARN how to fly.
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Waiting for FFXIV to be the game it should. so sad =(
Why is this game overhyped? The tread title is misleading. What feature was hyped and was not found or was found lacking in this game?
The op is saying for all the comments about this game being the second coming that he was seriously undewhelmed by the game play so I don't see how the title is misleading there is plenty of talk of this being the "wow killer" and all the other tired responses you usually get from fanbois excited for some new release be it DF,AOC, or this. And though I partially agree that having only played ten levels is a bit harsh to give a review I don't see how if you don't like a game for the first ten levels that is going to change after, granted he won't be able to say anything about the game or it's features I have yet to play an mmo that I thought was boring in the early levels and found to be better later, will more features and content be opened sure but the game is not going to change so signifigantly that it will be a totally different game than it was in the early stages. So yeah he can't offer a good review of the game but it's just foolish to think that a game can do anything more than grow on you if you didn't like it in the first ten levels.
Anyone that believes posts that say "wow killer" or second coming should of learned long ago that such a game will never exist.
Originally posted by Geriden Lore is a exscuse for some very bad game design decissions. Expect flame's to engulf this game on launch day over this very issue.
It's a design decision, and a very smart one at that. I don't expect you to understand however.
Sorry if that comes off as rude, but most of the people bitching about flight really don't understand. NCSoft didn't do it just to piss you off, they did it for a reason (several reasons, actually). Some of the most notable reasons:
- Limiting flight in PvE zones means that players can not just fly to their quest mob and ignore everything else. A lot of situations have you fighting through mobs to get to a boss, for example. They don't want people avoiding mobs like that. Blizzard took the same stance with early content in WoTLK, they didn't want people "powering" through content.
- Having a flight timer is entirely a balance issue. As an assassin it would suck a lot of ass if people could always fly because my class would be gimped compared to the ranged classes such as sorc or ranger. Having a limited time means that ranged classes can't just stay up in the air forever.
The only place I missed flying is the capitols. Don't understand why they don't allow flying there. Flying in PvE zones would be exploitable and isn't really necessary.
But that's the point like they said the entire game is built around flying when its not , They just slapped in a shitty little part of each map you can fly around which is rather pointless the only reason you fly is to get aether. They might as well have put it on the bloody ground and left flying entirely till you enter the abyss. then it would not be so annoying.
Flying was never a main feature of the MMO, and it was never built around it either. The MMO was built around the PvPvE concept. As other have said limiting flight makes sure you don't exploit the mobs or find short cuts around important areas. Just because you find one feature to be limited and didn't conceptualize to your impressions does not mean the MMO is lying.
Actually having more flying would help an assassin lol. I didn't like how short the stealth was (but I'm not a big time stealthy type anyways so I am understandably noob in this). But as a caster, the flying could be a bit better as the med times are horrible (vooldowns etc) but also, I know with higher levels of concentration and what not it'll get better. Most casting classes start off as very hard, and even earlier rpg/mmo types I've played has always said casters were on the more difficult end of the tree.
But to the person who said something about "wow killer"... I remember back when I was raiding EQ and WoW first cdame out, people talked about wow being an eq killer and how others would say "nothing would ever kill eq!!" and look what happened there.
Technology and progression has very interesting impacts on the populace.
But as it is, I still don't see how the game got hyped. At all. Who advertises for it or talks about it (other than people on message boards of diff games)? I was reminded about it when I saw someone mention it on a diff board, and when I first heard about it a couple years ago, it was from this site looking up new releases.
Actually having more flying would help an assassin lol. I didn't like how short the stealth was (but I'm not a big time stealthy type anyways so I am understandably noob in this). But as a caster, the flying could be a bit better as the med times are horrible (vooldowns etc) but also, I know with higher levels of concentration and what not it'll get better. Most casting classes start off as very hard, and even earlier rpg/mmo types I've played has always said casters were on the more difficult end of the tree.
Negative. Assassins do not want a fight to escalate into aerial combat which is why we have poisons which keep an opponent grounded (if you are poisoned you can't open your wings.)
Trust me, it would be an issue if players could always fly, and I think it would feel annoying. As it is flight is a tactical decision and just another thing to consider when in PvP combat, adding another layer of complexity to the games combat. If players flew all the time it would be a lot different, and certainly would take away the tactical choice that flight currently gives you.
I remember back when I was raiding EQ and WoW first cdame out, people talked about wow being an eq killer and how others would say "nothing would ever kill eq!!" and look what happened there.
Ah ok. Like I said, I'm a noob with scouts. To me it just seems whether you want to be a destroyer by yourself or support or to micromanage the fight, and flying would seem to have all sorts of pros and cons in regards to cooldowns and burst and poisons/dots (if assassins even get em /shrug).
I remember back when I was raiding EQ and WoW first cdame out, people talked about wow being an eq killer and how others would say "nothing would ever kill eq!!" and look what happened there.
Nothing, EQ is still running after 10 years
Yes but for all the popularity it did have, it is dead. Not a big deal, I miss and love that game. But my training wheels had to come off at some point.
Originally posted by Soupism Ah ok. Like I said, I'm a noob with scouts. To me it just seems whether you want to be a destroyer by yourself or support or to micromanage the fight, and flying would seem to have all sorts of pros and cons in regards to cooldowns and burst and poisons/dots (if assassins even get em /shrug).
But yeah, I'll take your word for it hehe.
It's cool. I'm still new to the class as well (just played it last closed beta) but I feel like I've read enough and done enough reading up on the class to understand. The one thing that most high level assassins will tell you is that flight is a bad thing to get into when against a ranged class.
We want people to stay on the ground as much as possible.
Ah ok. Like I said, I'm a noob with scouts. To me it just seems whether you want to be a destroyer by yourself or support or to micromanage the fight, and flying would seem to have all sorts of pros and cons in regards to cooldowns and burst and poisons/dots (if assassins even get em /shrug).
But yeah, I'll take your word for it hehe.
It's cool. I'm still new to the class as well (just played it last closed beta) but I feel like I've read enough and done enough reading up on the class to understand. The one thing that most high level assassins will tell you is that flight is a bad thing to get into when against a ranged class.
We want people to stay on the ground as much as possible.
Whats the difference between fighting ranged in air or on ground?
Your stealth and "shadowstep" skills work in flight too
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I have to agree on Dark and Light being the most overhyped game ever lol.
"We have the largest game world ever! You can build huge intricate guild cities, dig your own tunnels underground, hell even make an underwater city! You can fly dragons, and give ones big enough to fit your whole guild on! You can even fight on them! There are sieges where troop formations matter and intricate political systems and a crafting system that even takes the alignment of the stars into account! The world is dynamic and creatures migrate if you overhunt them! You can design your own quests for your guild!"
And what we got was the biggest steaming pile of crap ever published. Taught me never to trust French game devs -_-.
Its not bad game design its a choise ncsoft made to implent the flight in the game. you can fly everywhere in the abyss so its a choise of ncsoft to not allow flight in all zones.
Flight also isnt a way of travel but a tactical use for PvP
Altough you can glide everywhere. takes a bit practice but if done correct you can glide trough a whole zone
There is lore to the whole why you cant fly in certain areas part read up on it and you will then know why.
The only place I missed flying is the capitols. Don't understand why they don't allow flying there. Flying in PvE zones would be exploitable and isn't really necessary.
Lore goes out the window in regard to flying , when your unable to fly in a flying city !!
But thats the point like they said the entire game is built around flying when its not , They just slapped in a shitty little part of each map you can fly around which is rather pointless the only reasson you fly is to get aether. They might as well have put it on the bloody ground and left flying entirely till you enter the abyss. then it would not be so anoying.
Because all the aether available is needed to keep the city floating.
So don't listen to them. What's the problem? Kids also think ballons are the greatest things. I think we know better.
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Geriden, what the heck are you talking about?
They have been up front about flying from the start. Just because you see an advertisement that shows flying, doesn't mean that it implies anything more than at some point you can fly.
To futher that point, when they first showed off Aion, people complained because the flying wasn't free at all. it was used as sort of a way to travel from one way point to another.
However, players were dissapointed because they wanted more free flight. so the devs went back and made it so that one would have more free flight. However, they always stated that the free flight was going to be limited depending upon a lot of in game factors.
No one at NC EVER said that one could fly wherever and whenever. There is not one dev or cm post that says this.
furthermore, for higher lvl players, given better equipment, pots, etc one can fly for quite some time. It's meant to be something that is a decision. Do I use it or not. Otherwise players would just float up above mobs and pick them off from the air. Might as well not have any ground game becuase flying would negate it.
Godfred's Tomb Trailer: https://youtu.be/-nsXGddj_4w
Original Skyrim: https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/109547
Serph toze kindly has started a walk-through. https://youtu.be/UIelCK-lldo
Ok so show me where they stated you can fly but its in this awesome invisable dome ?
They say you can fly where the aether is, They never said its practicly no where.
What ever way you put it you cant tell me flying in this game is in anyway what they lead people to think it will be like, Are you telling me your not going to see this forum and the offical forums flooded with complaints about how flight works because there isnt one person ive spoken to ingame and out of the game who thought flight in aion would be flying inside a invisable dome !
The op is saying for all the comments about this game being the second coming that he was seriously undewhelmed by the game play so I don't see how the title is misleading there is plenty of talk of this being the "wow killer" and all the other tired responses you usually get from fanbois excited for some new release be it DF,AOC, or this. And though I partially agree that having only played ten levels is a bit harsh to give a review I don't see how if you don't like a game for the first ten levels that is going to change after, granted he won't be able to say anything about the game or it's features I have yet to play an mmo that I thought was boring in the early levels and found to be better later, will more features and content be opened sure but the game is not going to change so signifigantly that it will be a totally different game than it was in the early stages. So yeah he can't offer a good review of the game but it's just foolish to think that a game can do anything more than grow on you if you didn't like it in the first ten levels.
but yeah, to call this game Fantastic is like calling Twilight the Godfather of vampire movies....
Flying is a main feature of the game so yes they are going to show a tons of vids with flying. No there was this one game with DX 10 ON THE BOX at release ....... along with a ton of other features not in game hmmmmmm........ maybe that is where this post should be in anyways. Back to your point , as other ppl have said being able to fly in PvE zones would lead to a ton of exploits , and having flying around cites to gather is kinda of smart this way ppl can LEARN how to fly.
Played Aoc/DDO/FFXI/WAR / LoTRo / CO / Aion
Playing Rift
Waiting for FFXIV to be the game it should. so sad =(
The op is saying for all the comments about this game being the second coming that he was seriously undewhelmed by the game play so I don't see how the title is misleading there is plenty of talk of this being the "wow killer" and all the other tired responses you usually get from fanbois excited for some new release be it DF,AOC, or this. And though I partially agree that having only played ten levels is a bit harsh to give a review I don't see how if you don't like a game for the first ten levels that is going to change after, granted he won't be able to say anything about the game or it's features I have yet to play an mmo that I thought was boring in the early levels and found to be better later, will more features and content be opened sure but the game is not going to change so signifigantly that it will be a totally different game than it was in the early stages. So yeah he can't offer a good review of the game but it's just foolish to think that a game can do anything more than grow on you if you didn't like it in the first ten levels.
Anyone that believes posts that say "wow killer" or second coming should of learned long ago that such a game will never exist.
It's a design decision, and a very smart one at that. I don't expect you to understand however.
Sorry if that comes off as rude, but most of the people bitching about flight really don't understand. NCSoft didn't do it just to piss you off, they did it for a reason (several reasons, actually). Some of the most notable reasons:
- Limiting flight in PvE zones means that players can not just fly to their quest mob and ignore everything else. A lot of situations have you fighting through mobs to get to a boss, for example. They don't want people avoiding mobs like that. Blizzard took the same stance with early content in WoTLK, they didn't want people "powering" through content.
- Having a flight timer is entirely a balance issue. As an assassin it would suck a lot of ass if people could always fly because my class would be gimped compared to the ranged classes such as sorc or ranger. Having a limited time means that ranged classes can't just stay up in the air forever.
But that's the point like they said the entire game is built around flying when its not , They just slapped in a shitty little part of each map you can fly around which is rather pointless the only reason you fly is to get aether. They might as well have put it on the bloody ground and left flying entirely till you enter the abyss. then it would not be so annoying.
Flying was never a main feature of the MMO, and it was never built around it either. The MMO was built around the PvPvE concept. As other have said limiting flight makes sure you don't exploit the mobs or find short cuts around important areas. Just because you find one feature to be limited and didn't conceptualize to your impressions does not mean the MMO is lying.
Does the OP know the meaning of over-hyped?
Regardless, Interesting opinion.
Actually having more flying would help an assassin lol. I didn't like how short the stealth was (but I'm not a big time stealthy type anyways so I am understandably noob in this). But as a caster, the flying could be a bit better as the med times are horrible (vooldowns etc) but also, I know with higher levels of concentration and what not it'll get better. Most casting classes start off as very hard, and even earlier rpg/mmo types I've played has always said casters were on the more difficult end of the tree.
But to the person who said something about "wow killer"... I remember back when I was raiding EQ and WoW first cdame out, people talked about wow being an eq killer and how others would say "nothing would ever kill eq!!" and look what happened there.
Technology and progression has very interesting impacts on the populace.
But as it is, I still don't see how the game got hyped. At all. Who advertises for it or talks about it (other than people on message boards of diff games)? I was reminded about it when I saw someone mention it on a diff board, and when I first heard about it a couple years ago, it was from this site looking up new releases.
Negative. Assassins do not want a fight to escalate into aerial combat which is why we have poisons which keep an opponent grounded (if you are poisoned you can't open your wings.)
Trust me, it would be an issue if players could always fly, and I think it would feel annoying. As it is flight is a tactical decision and just another thing to consider when in PvP combat, adding another layer of complexity to the games combat. If players flew all the time it would be a lot different, and certainly would take away the tactical choice that flight currently gives you.
Nothing, EQ is still running after 10 years
Ah ok. Like I said, I'm a noob with scouts. To me it just seems whether you want to be a destroyer by yourself or support or to micromanage the fight, and flying would seem to have all sorts of pros and cons in regards to cooldowns and burst and poisons/dots (if assassins even get em /shrug).
But yeah, I'll take your word for it hehe.
Nothing, EQ is still running after 10 years
Yes but for all the popularity it did have, it is dead. Not a big deal, I miss and love that game. But my training wheels had to come off at some point.
It's cool. I'm still new to the class as well (just played it last closed beta) but I feel like I've read enough and done enough reading up on the class to understand. The one thing that most high level assassins will tell you is that flight is a bad thing to get into when against a ranged class.
We want people to stay on the ground as much as possible.
It's cool. I'm still new to the class as well (just played it last closed beta) but I feel like I've read enough and done enough reading up on the class to understand. The one thing that most high level assassins will tell you is that flight is a bad thing to get into when against a ranged class.
We want people to stay on the ground as much as possible.
Whats the difference between fighting ranged in air or on ground?
Your stealth and "shadowstep" skills work in flight too
yea me too and I was ready to respond, but it wasnt, aka warrhammer is the winner in this catagory
Avoiding getting kited is difficult enough in 2d. Adding in a 3d makes it even more difficult.