It will occupy slot 2 in subscriptions until SW:TOR and/or GW 2 is released . I'm expecting it to dwindle in size to that of Lineage 2 then . You already see the botting/goldselling problem in Asia and we can expect the same to occur in EU and NA, after which we will see a steep decline in # of subscribers . It' s high time MMO-devs start to realize folks are fed up with grind and MMO's which are totally gear-dependent . I think NCsoft is also making the mistake of "asianating " NCsoft west .The entire division is now under control of korean CEO's - there is nothing "west " left about it - and that will prove to be a huge mistake in the long term .
It will occupy slot 2 in subscriptions until SW:TOR and/or GW 2 is released . I'm expecting it to dwindle in size to that of Lineage 2 then . You already see the botting/goldselling problem in Asia and we can expect the same to occur in EU and NA, after which we will see a steep decline in # of subscribers . It' s high time MMO-devs start to realize folks are fed up with grind and MMO's which are totally gear-dependent . I think NCsoft is also making the mistake of "asianating " NCsoft west .The entire division is now under control of korean CEO's - there is nothing "west " left about it - and that will prove to be a huge mistake in the long term .
Yep. As long as NCSoft fails to realize that that Western gamers are different than Asian gamers, they'll continue to just deliver, at best, niche based games to the US. Lineage series proved this. Lineage 2 could have been huge here, if only NCSoft had taken the time to Westernize it. So once again, we'll see Aion go the way of Lineage 2. Right now I just do not see Aion being that big in the US or Europe - at all.
I think aion will make it to #2, whats also great about wow is that blizzard always put in so much content, and even ones that keep people wondering and talking all day. It takes time to get more people to play the game and spread the words, and ncsoft is putting in alot of content in the future, my friends and i already played the closed beta and we absolutely love it! we've played wow for years too, but we've all agreed to move to aion~
And for those that talk bad about the game, why not try it out? aion isnt a game that pleases everyone, but it does please more than millions of people. when it all comes down to it, it is all for fun and enjoyment!
You guys have NO clue what you are talking about. Let me clear some things up 1. Warcraft was not a well known brand when WoW came out, it was known among the gaming community but RTS for the most part is a niche genre. 2. Having a popular IP does not garner subs. Everyone said Matrix Online would kick the crap out of WoW and we saw how that ended up. 3. Games do not have to be complete, polished, accesible, or even that good to be popular. WoW was not polished and lacked an end game when it was released and at peak times you could wait 15+ minutes to log on. What does a game need to be popular? 1. Low system requirements
2. Easy to use
3. People to talk about it
The majority of WoW players only joined because a friend or family member were playing. The problem with most MMOs is that the MMO community keeps it to themselves. Everyone was talking about World of Warcraft and people want to be apart of the crowd. No one talked about LOTRO (Best Buy has walls of special additions still waiting to be sold)
No one talked about Age of Conan (you can get the special addition for $10)
No one talked about Warhammer
No one talked about Vanguard but besides all that a lot of it came down to luck. Any game could have become what WoW is and any future can take its place. It all comes down to luck. Your idea of what a good game is, or what people want in a game is nothing but your bias. People will play anything that is popular. I think the next big game will be released at a time when burnt out WoW players begin to look for a new game. I don't think it'll be a game we expect either. I think Aion has a chance to be pretty popular too. First of all it doesn't have much of a competition at the moment, secondly it purposely went for a lower system requirement because of its PvP roots (it is not as low as WoW but WoW is also how many years old. For computers now a day it is low), thirdly it is simple to pick up.
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Dont forget EvE online, its surpassed WAR back in january with 300,000 active subs. Not sure if that puts them at #2 or #3 all depends on LOTRO's sub numbers.
Surpassed Warhammer with 300k subs in January? Eh? In January Warhammer had like 750k players. It wasn't till after that it went DOWN to 300k (I am one of those people that left).
I know EvE guys like to preach about how great it is but seriously.
As to Aion, I've enjoyed what I've seen so far but it's a PVP game, it won't be remotely near the scale of WoW. I'll be playing it. It might put the nail in Warhammer and it might be 2nd place but I just can't imagine it'll be very popular for long due to the PVP focus.
If LOTRO had any substantial amount more they would report it, but they don't, they may have a respectable 280k atm.
Not really. Turbine is a privately held company and as such never releases revenue info. It has nothing to do with being succesful or not.
So it's still between EVE and LOTRO. No one is quite sure which is larger.
And back onto the topic I don't see AION holding onto more than 200k subs personally.
Dont forget EvE online, its surpassed WAR back in january with 300,000 active subs. Not sure if that puts them at #2 or #3 all depends on LOTRO's sub numbers.
Surpassed Warhammer with 300k subs in January? Eh? In January Warhammer had like 750k players. It wasn't till after that it went DOWN to 300k (I am one of those people that left).
I know EvE guys like to preach about how great it is but seriously.
As to Aion, I've enjoyed what I've seen so far but it's a PVP game, it won't be remotely near the scale of WoW. I'll be playing it. It might put the nail in Warhammer and it might be 2nd place but I just can't imagine it'll be very popular for long due to the PVP focus.
If LOTRO had any substantial amount more they would report it, but they don't, they may have a respectable 280k atm.
Not really. Turbine is a privately held company and as such never releases revenue info. It has nothing to do with being succesful or not.
So it's still between EVE and LOTRO. No one is quite sure which is larger.
And back onto the topic I don't see AION holding onto more than 200k subs personally.
i dont see your logic there . Warhammer has 200k + subs even now does nt it ? That game was totally misconcieved . I dont think you can have played Aion or if you did you proberbly played a few levels . I d say its it ll retain between 1-2 million subs in its first few months and then continue to rise by word of mouth and reputation if its endgame is any good a bit like Warcraft did . We are so used to writing off new mmos that its usually a safe bet to say it ll only be getting several thousand subs . Normally you d be right but this time i doubt it .
Aion is far too good a game to write off like Warhammer or AoC or Vanguard . Its pvp centric gameplay may not appeal to all but it will certainly attract people who are fed up with WoW being too easy ,finding War pvp too dull or Age of Conan lacking too much end content .
I hope Aion does take WOW, I have only ever played it for 30 days or less. Some of my old guild loved it but I could never get into it, I would love to see it crumble
It will occupy slot 2 in subscriptions until SW:TOR and/or GW 2 is released . I'm expecting it to dwindle in size to that of Lineage 2 then . You already see the botting/goldselling problem in Asia and we can expect the same to occur in EU and NA, after which we will see a steep decline in # of subscribers . It' s high time MMO-devs start to realize folks are fed up with grind and MMO's which are totally gear-dependent . I think NCsoft is also making the mistake of "asianating " NCsoft west .The entire division is now under control of korean CEO's - there is nothing "west " left about it - and that will prove to be a huge mistake in the long term .
Yep. As long as NCSoft fails to realize that that Western gamers are different than Asian gamers, they'll continue to just deliver, at best, niche based games to the US. Lineage series proved this. Lineage 2 could have been huge here, if only NCSoft had taken the time to Westernize it. So once again, we'll see Aion go the way of Lineage 2. Right now I just do not see Aion being that big in the US or Europe - at all.
Aion seems pretty westernized compared to Lineage 2. So I don't realy see what you are talking about. They are night and day.
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Well, so much for the hype behind Aion being only from the fans/players.
Looks like NC has officially tossed their hat into the ring.
Quite frankly I think you are right. Let's hope they know what it takes to be a top contender. My guess is they have the talent but they are a rather arrogant company and might not realize that players won't stand for their standard level of service.
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I've said it before, I'll say it again, Asian MMOs just won't make the cut in the US. Lineage II, Final Fantasy Whatever (just die, already), they were both touted as the Next Great MMORPG. But American gamers can only take so much of the fuzzy, glowy, cutesy graphics and animation and sound and grind. Lineage 2 and FFXI both are doing quite well in the US. Maybe you can't take any more, but there are many NA gamers that are looking forward to Aion. Me being one of them.
West in not only united states you know? Fortunately in europe we are not so anti-asian as i see in this forums the americans are... we are already ahead of that, and many other things fortunately
Not everyone in the United States shares this one guy's opinion, you know? But thanks for doing exactly the same thing he did by lumping an entire region of people together under a stereotypical statement. Kind of ironic.
There are many, many people in the US that enjoy and immerse themselves in Asian culture, especially Japanese culture.
Offcourse there is, but as a user of this forum you must admit that the american population shows a great disrespect for the asian gaming culture in general, this is certain.
Mustn't admit anything. You're still generalizing and trying to place an entire country's population into one big category... A very vocal *portion* of the NA population is xenophobic... Not everyone is.
I do not fall into that category, and I really resent when people carelessly group me in with it because I happen to fit their criteria - being from America in this case.
People are free to like or dislike whatevcer they want, but what i see here is a "oh, its asian its crap" attitude from the so called american crowd
Yes... you see it here... from certain ignorant people who are also rather vocal about it. People here =/= "entire American population".
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Well, so much for the hype behind Aion being only from the fans/players.
Looks like NC has officially tossed their hat into the ring.
Quite frankly I think you are right. Let's hope they know what it takes to be a top contender. My guess is they have the talent but they are a rather arrogant company and might not realize that players won't stand for their standard level of service.
Yeah... that's a topic between some friends who all came from Hindemith (you might remember some of them, or recognize their names, actually)...
Will NC Soft lose some of that arrogance and learn from their mistakes with L2, or will they repeat history and let Aion go down a similar road.
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Well, so much for the hype behind Aion being only from the fans/players.
Looks like NC has officially tossed their hat into the ring.
Quite frankly I think you are right. Let's hope they know what it takes to be a top contender. My guess is they have the talent but they are a rather arrogant company and might not realize that players won't stand for their standard level of service.
Yeah... that's a topic between some friends who all came from Hindemith (you might remember some of them, or recognize their names, actually)...
Will NC Soft lose some of that arrogance and learn from their mistakes with L2, or will they repeat history and let Aion go down a similar road.
I don´t really think so, I mean, if you check the sites of the upcomming MMO's you´ll see they are worried about showing off what they´ve got different from games like WoW, such as Fallen Earth and Earthrise and so on. But if you head to the Aion page or try to look for info, all you got is: "Our game has a DEEP character creator and Wings, yay...". The question is, are the players looking for this ?
My take is no, surely the "simple" MMO market is taken by WoW and I don´t think someone can do it really better, specially a NCsoft with their grid-fest model, which is hated on this side of the globe. I think it´s gonna be a big fail imho, and actually I´m most likely not going to play this game after such announcements, I mean, why do they need to go comparing to WoW for ? Can´t they just say: "We´ve got a great game because of X,Y and Z and we hope we get a lot of player coming in".
The last to compare itself with WoW was WAR and look the hole they got thrown off....
It will occupy slot 2 in subscriptions until SW:TOR and/or GW 2 is released . I'm expecting it to dwindle in size to that of Lineage 2 then . You already see the botting/goldselling problem in Asia and we can expect the same to occur in EU and NA, after which we will see a steep decline in # of subscribers . It' s high time MMO-devs start to realize folks are fed up with grind and MMO's which are totally gear-dependent . I think NCsoft is also making the mistake of "asianating " NCsoft west .The entire division is now under control of korean CEO's - there is nothing "west " left about it - and that will prove to be a huge mistake in the long term .
Yep. As long as NCSoft fails to realize that that Western gamers are different than Asian gamers, they'll continue to just deliver, at best, niche based games to the US. Lineage series proved this. Lineage 2 could have been huge here, if only NCSoft had taken the time to Westernize it. So once again, we'll see Aion go the way of Lineage 2. Right now I just do not see Aion being that big in the US or Europe - at all.
Aion seems pretty westernized compared to Lineage 2. So I don't realy see what you are talking about. They are night and day.
OMG, are you kidding? Have you played the beta? There's nothing Western about Aion. Nothing.
Aion already holds #2, and they will only keep that spot until either Guild Wars 2, another NCsoft game that has yet to be created, or another company that has yet to make its mark with its own mmorpg.
One thing I've counted on all these years is mmo players are pack hunters. A new mmo comes out they send out a trusted few to test try it out and bring back word. If its good the pack moves to it. Although I love Aion, I feel it will bring its own players into the mmo game play keeping the number 2 spot, until the massive amount of WoW subs make a new game number 1. Personally I enjoy playing with players who have never played WoW. I hope to stick with Aion, until another mmo brings in creative ideas to the game play, story line, with audio, and visuals to do new things while showing the full potential of my PC's hardware. For the moment that game is Aion, and if we're all lucky NCsoft will overcome the belief in mmo shelf life. imo a companies success is with a game is when its still played long after stores carry it anymore. I'll still beat Chrono Trigger, FFI, or flip Zelda, and Jackle when I get the chance.
To riceae02: In order for games to reach a good portion of subscriptions they first and foremost need to offer a game with a stable and bug free (as much as possible) engine. Taking that into consideration and looking at the MMO history, where the only games that have positive subscriptions are the ones that were polished during launch, lets look at the list of your games:
Fallen Earth: From what I read in these forums, nowhere near as polished as it should be. They will be lucky if they eventually manage to emulate CCP and their EVE success. However, that means that for a good deal of time their subscription count will be low. Champions Online: Box price + subscriptions + RMT item mall will keep a good deal of informed people away. From my understanding, they are aiming to repeat Turbine's success with LOTRO (with the addition of RMT). That means that the content provided with the game initially will be low. Remains to be seen if they will be as fast as Turbine in producing content for their game. Global Agenda: Well, it doesn't really look like it is an MMO. Or an RPG. More like a more populated arena with sustainable stats. It may end up being a good game, but as for an MMO ... not. Earthrise: See Fallen Earth. Universe Online: Whatever that is, it doesn't seem that it will launch any time soon. Plus it'll have to compete with EVE, not a good prospect. Stargate Online: It will never launch. The developing company is bankrupt. The development team is negligible and unpaid for months. Huxley: Not an MMO, see Global Agenda. The Agency: Not much info beyond the RMT shop. No launch for at least a year. Might not be an MMO either, we know too little at this point. Star Trek Online: Again, no launch for at least a year. Subscription plan same as Champion Online (aka the Ferengi won). DC Universe: No launch for at least a year. RMT item shop confirmed. Star Wars Galaxy: Won't launch for at least a year. Might not be an MMO, the whole structure of the game reminds too much of DDO (Dungeons & Dragons Online), aka, good dungeon runs but heavily instanced.
Aion is a mix between Lineage 2 (PvP), Everquest 2 (levelling & mechanics) and WoW (early PvE). It's niche approach to PvP will alienate some people who would prefer a pure PvP or PvE experience. Some people don't like the art direction. Lastly, there is always the chance that NCsoft will drop the ball and won't manage to contain the botter/hackers and gold sellers. Regardless, no game in your list seem able to compete with Aion, at least in the coming year. Mid to late 2010 will be a different ballgame with the newer MMOs coming out.
Wait ... it sounds to me as though you are imposing some sort of time frame/limit. I assumed the OP ment that Aion would be number 2 to WoW for a few years as WoW has been #1 for years. Hell if ur gonna rule games I mentioned that are a year out then I'll give you that Aion may hit number two for a few months ... but it certainly won't stay there. I assumed we were talking about Aion having some longevity and I stick by my asertion that anyone of the games I mentioned will be just as good or better than the grindfest fantasy (been there, done that) eastern MMO that is AION ... or is that Lineage 3.
BTW you need to seriously re-evaluate what you think is an MMO.
Well, I made an educated guess. As with all guesses, the further you go down in time, the less accurate the predictions will become. As for MMO, they've always been massive multiplayer online games. It's just that recently some companies have been trying to sell us non MMOs as such, so as to justify the subscription fee, that's all.
Wait ... it sounds to me as though you are imposing some sort of time frame/limit. I assumed the OP ment that Aion would be number 2 to WoW for a few years as WoW has been #1 for years. Hell if ur gonna rule games I mentioned that are a year out then I'll give you that Aion may hit number two for a few months ... but it certainly won't stay there. I assumed we were talking about Aion having some longevity and I stick by my asertion that anyone of the games I mentioned will be just as good or better than the grindfest fantasy (been there, done that) eastern MMO that is AION ... or is that Lineage 3. BTW you need to seriously re-evaluate what you think is an MMO.
NCSoft didnt asume to stay they for years and he didnt even stated that Aion will be no2 he just hopes it.
well he dusnt have to hope really because atm Aion already is no2, how long it last will depand on how it launches in the west.
Wait ... it sounds to me as though you are imposing some sort of time frame/limit. I assumed the OP ment that Aion would be number 2 to WoW for a few years as WoW has been #1 for years. Hell if ur gonna rule games I mentioned that are a year out then I'll give you that Aion may hit number two for a few months ... but it certainly won't stay there. I assumed we were talking about Aion having some longevity and I stick by my asertion that anyone of the games I mentioned will be just as good or better than the grindfest fantasy (been there, done that) eastern MMO that is AION ... or is that Lineage 3. BTW you need to seriously re-evaluate what you think is an MMO.
NCSoft didnt asume to stay they for years and he didnt even stated that Aion will be no2 he just hopes it.
well he dusnt have to hope really because atm Aion already is no2, how long it last will depand on how it launches in the west.
Also Aion isnt L3, L3 is already in development.
Ahh I'd like to know how u come by this fact ... you say Aion is #2 already, ... what are you basing that on cause the game is not even out. What about EVE, CoH/X, LotRO, EQ2, AoC, WAR, etc. Asia does not count.
Aion is already the #2 game PURELY because of its subscriptions in the Asian market, which surpass every other games cumulative market across the world...well...except wow.
If I could find the most recent chart I'd link it but they haven't been clicked enough and google links me to the 2008 numbers.
But Aion has >3.5 MILLION subs in the asian market, in just under a year. I doubt it will have that kind of popularity in the states, but if it gets at least 500,000, which is almost garunteed, it'll be a bigger success then AOC, WAR, and LOTRO combined.
I'm drawing the conclusion from the fact that many asian players will starting playing on NA servers along with the NA/EU/South American players, all of which will contribute to overall subscriptions.
Aion will be #2 in the states by christmas, and I wouldn't be surprised to hear AOC getting shut down and lotro rushing to get the last expansions out before their subscriber base jumps ship. WAR will hang on for a little while longer, but probably won't see a 3 year anniversary unless mythic does something epic.
Like any newly released game, they will do well at first, but there is nothing in this game to separate itself from the rest of the genre and it will fade like they all do. Great graphics are not all that is needed to keep a up in the standings, content and gameplay are far more important factors and Aion has neither in abundance.
NCSoft also has yet to show me they can control the bots which plague their other games.
Like any newly released game, they will do well at first, but there is nothing in this game to separate itself from the rest of the genre and it will fade like they all do. Great graphics are not all that is needed to keep a up in the standings, content and gameplay are far more important factors and Aion has neither in abundance. NCSoft also has yet to show me they can control the bots which plague their other games.
Aion does have a lot going for it already and with the inclusion of all 5 patches when it launches, people will ooo and ahh at the content. As for the bots, NCSoft East and West have made an effort to clean up the bots in their games, so we will all have to wait and see if their promises ring true.
Who wins the popularity contest is of no concern to me. Popularity to me does not equal quality of game. Developers care about popularity mainly because popular games make them more money.
Lets say if WoW is #1 and Aion is #2, someone said Aion does not set itself apart from other mmo, but I can easily say the same thing for WoW. We now have #1 and #2 both being blend games, and the whole industry is starting to look worse and worse by the minute. In other words, pointless arguements. If enjoy the game play it, if not then don't.
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It will occupy slot 2 in subscriptions until SW:TOR and/or GW 2 is released . I'm expecting it to dwindle in size to that of Lineage 2 then . You already see the botting/goldselling problem in Asia and we can expect the same to occur in EU and NA, after which we will see a steep decline in # of subscribers . It' s high time MMO-devs start to realize folks are fed up with grind and MMO's which are totally gear-dependent . I think NCsoft is also making the mistake of "asianating " NCsoft west .The entire division is now under control of korean CEO's - there is nothing "west " left about it - and that will prove to be a huge mistake in the long term .
Yep. As long as NCSoft fails to realize that that Western gamers are different than Asian gamers, they'll continue to just deliver, at best, niche based games to the US. Lineage series proved this. Lineage 2 could have been huge here, if only NCSoft had taken the time to Westernize it. So once again, we'll see Aion go the way of Lineage 2. Right now I just do not see Aion being that big in the US or Europe - at all.
I think aion will make it to #2, whats also great about wow is that blizzard always put in so much content, and even ones that keep people wondering and talking all day. It takes time to get more people to play the game and spread the words, and ncsoft is putting in alot of content in the future, my friends and i already played the closed beta and we absolutely love it! we've played wow for years too, but we've all agreed to move to aion~
And for those that talk bad about the game, why not try it out? aion isnt a game that pleases everyone, but it does please more than millions of people. when it all comes down to it, it is all for fun and enjoyment!
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Surpassed Warhammer with 300k subs in January? Eh? In January Warhammer had like 750k players. It wasn't till after that it went DOWN to 300k (I am one of those people that left).
I know EvE guys like to preach about how great it is but seriously.
As to Aion, I've enjoyed what I've seen so far but it's a PVP game, it won't be remotely near the scale of WoW. I'll be playing it. It might put the nail in Warhammer and it might be 2nd place but I just can't imagine it'll be very popular for long due to the PVP focus.
If LOTRO had any substantial amount more they would report it, but they don't, they may have a respectable 280k atm.
Not really. Turbine is a privately held company and as such never releases revenue info. It has nothing to do with being succesful or not.
So it's still between EVE and LOTRO. No one is quite sure which is larger.
And back onto the topic I don't see AION holding onto more than 200k subs personally.
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Surpassed Warhammer with 300k subs in January? Eh? In January Warhammer had like 750k players. It wasn't till after that it went DOWN to 300k (I am one of those people that left).
I know EvE guys like to preach about how great it is but seriously.
As to Aion, I've enjoyed what I've seen so far but it's a PVP game, it won't be remotely near the scale of WoW. I'll be playing it. It might put the nail in Warhammer and it might be 2nd place but I just can't imagine it'll be very popular for long due to the PVP focus.
If LOTRO had any substantial amount more they would report it, but they don't, they may have a respectable 280k atm.
Not really. Turbine is a privately held company and as such never releases revenue info. It has nothing to do with being succesful or not.
So it's still between EVE and LOTRO. No one is quite sure which is larger.
And back onto the topic I don't see AION holding onto more than 200k subs personally.
i dont see your logic there . Warhammer has 200k + subs even now does nt it ? That game was totally misconcieved . I dont think you can have played Aion or if you did you proberbly played a few levels . I d say its it ll retain between 1-2 million subs in its first few months and then continue to rise by word of mouth and reputation if its endgame is any good a bit like Warcraft did . We are so used to writing off new mmos that its usually a safe bet to say it ll only be getting several thousand subs . Normally you d be right but this time i doubt it .
Aion is far too good a game to write off like Warhammer or AoC or Vanguard . Its pvp centric gameplay may not appeal to all but it will certainly attract people who are fed up with WoW being too easy ,finding War pvp too dull or Age of Conan lacking too much end content .
I hope Aion does take WOW, I have only ever played it for 30 days or less. Some of my old guild loved it but I could never get into it, I would love to see it crumble
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Yep. As long as NCSoft fails to realize that that Western gamers are different than Asian gamers, they'll continue to just deliver, at best, niche based games to the US. Lineage series proved this. Lineage 2 could have been huge here, if only NCSoft had taken the time to Westernize it. So once again, we'll see Aion go the way of Lineage 2. Right now I just do not see Aion being that big in the US or Europe - at all.
Aion seems pretty westernized compared to Lineage 2. So I don't realy see what you are talking about. They are night and day.
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Second only to WoW, eh?
Well, so much for the hype behind Aion being only from the fans/players.
Looks like NC has officially tossed their hat into the ring.
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Quite frankly I think you are right. Let's hope they know what it takes to be a top contender. My guess is they have the talent but they are a rather arrogant company and might not realize that players won't stand for their standard level of service.
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West in not only united states you know? Fortunately in europe we are not so anti-asian as i see in this forums the americans are... we are already ahead of that, and many other things fortunately
Not everyone in the United States shares this one guy's opinion, you know? But thanks for doing exactly the same thing he did by lumping an entire region of people together under a stereotypical statement. Kind of ironic.
There are many, many people in the US that enjoy and immerse themselves in Asian culture, especially Japanese culture.
Offcourse there is, but as a user of this forum you must admit that the american population shows a great disrespect for the asian gaming culture in general, this is certain.
Mustn't admit anything. You're still generalizing and trying to place an entire country's population into one big category... A very vocal *portion* of the NA population is xenophobic... Not everyone is.
I do not fall into that category, and I really resent when people carelessly group me in with it because I happen to fit their criteria - being from America in this case.
People are free to like or dislike whatevcer they want, but what i see here is a "oh, its asian its crap" attitude from the so called american crowd
Yes... you see it here... from certain ignorant people who are also rather vocal about it. People here =/= "entire American population".
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Quite frankly I think you are right. Let's hope they know what it takes to be a top contender. My guess is they have the talent but they are a rather arrogant company and might not realize that players won't stand for their standard level of service.
Yeah... that's a topic between some friends who all came from Hindemith (you might remember some of them, or recognize their names, actually)...
Will NC Soft lose some of that arrogance and learn from their mistakes with L2, or will they repeat history and let Aion go down a similar road.
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Quite frankly I think you are right. Let's hope they know what it takes to be a top contender. My guess is they have the talent but they are a rather arrogant company and might not realize that players won't stand for their standard level of service.
Yeah... that's a topic between some friends who all came from Hindemith (you might remember some of them, or recognize their names, actually)...
Will NC Soft lose some of that arrogance and learn from their mistakes with L2, or will they repeat history and let Aion go down a similar road.
I don´t really think so, I mean, if you check the sites of the upcomming MMO's you´ll see they are worried about showing off what they´ve got different from games like WoW, such as Fallen Earth and Earthrise and so on. But if you head to the Aion page or try to look for info, all you got is: "Our game has a DEEP character creator and Wings, yay...". The question is, are the players looking for this ?
My take is no, surely the "simple" MMO market is taken by WoW and I don´t think someone can do it really better, specially a NCsoft with their grid-fest model, which is hated on this side of the globe. I think it´s gonna be a big fail imho, and actually I´m most likely not going to play this game after such announcements, I mean, why do they need to go comparing to WoW for ? Can´t they just say: "We´ve got a great game because of X,Y and Z and we hope we get a lot of player coming in".
The last to compare itself with WoW was WAR and look the hole they got thrown off....
AION = Lineage 3. So similar, it's almost scary. Next generation my arse.
I hope Champions Online will have more players, it's pretty fun, humorous and much more western style (I admit disliking manga).
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Yep. As long as NCSoft fails to realize that that Western gamers are different than Asian gamers, they'll continue to just deliver, at best, niche based games to the US. Lineage series proved this. Lineage 2 could have been huge here, if only NCSoft had taken the time to Westernize it. So once again, we'll see Aion go the way of Lineage 2. Right now I just do not see Aion being that big in the US or Europe - at all.
Aion seems pretty westernized compared to Lineage 2. So I don't realy see what you are talking about. They are night and day.
OMG, are you kidding? Have you played the beta? There's nothing Western about Aion. Nothing.
Aion already holds #2, and they will only keep that spot until either Guild Wars 2, another NCsoft game that has yet to be created, or another company that has yet to make its mark with its own mmorpg.
One thing I've counted on all these years is mmo players are pack hunters. A new mmo comes out they send out a trusted few to test try it out and bring back word. If its good the pack moves to it. Although I love Aion, I feel it will bring its own players into the mmo game play keeping the number 2 spot, until the massive amount of WoW subs make a new game number 1. Personally I enjoy playing with players who have never played WoW. I hope to stick with Aion, until another mmo brings in creative ideas to the game play, story line, with audio, and visuals to do new things while showing the full potential of my PC's hardware. For the moment that game is Aion, and if we're all lucky NCsoft will overcome the belief in mmo shelf life. imo a companies success is with a game is when its still played long after stores carry it anymore. I'll still beat Chrono Trigger, FFI, or flip Zelda, and Jackle when I get the chance.
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Wait ... it sounds to me as though you are imposing some sort of time frame/limit. I assumed the OP ment that Aion would be number 2 to WoW for a few years as WoW has been #1 for years. Hell if ur gonna rule games I mentioned that are a year out then I'll give you that Aion may hit number two for a few months ... but it certainly won't stay there. I assumed we were talking about Aion having some longevity and I stick by my asertion that anyone of the games I mentioned will be just as good or better than the grindfest fantasy (been there, done that) eastern MMO that is AION ... or is that Lineage 3.
BTW you need to seriously re-evaluate what you think is an MMO.
Well, I made an educated guess. As with all guesses, the further you go down in time, the less accurate the predictions will become. As for MMO, they've always been massive multiplayer online games. It's just that recently some companies have been trying to sell us non MMOs as such, so as to justify the subscription fee, that's all.
NCSoft didnt asume to stay they for years and he didnt even stated that Aion will be no2 he just hopes it.
well he dusnt have to hope really because atm Aion already is no2, how long it last will depand on how it launches in the west.
Also Aion isnt L3, L3 is already in development.
NCSoft didnt asume to stay they for years and he didnt even stated that Aion will be no2 he just hopes it.
well he dusnt have to hope really because atm Aion already is no2, how long it last will depand on how it launches in the west.
Also Aion isnt L3, L3 is already in development.
Ahh I'd like to know how u come by this fact ... you say Aion is #2 already, ... what are you basing that on cause the game is not even out. What about EVE, CoH/X, LotRO, EQ2, AoC, WAR, etc. Asia does not count.
Aion is already the #2 game PURELY because of its subscriptions in the Asian market, which surpass every other games cumulative market across the world...well...except wow.
If I could find the most recent chart I'd link it but they haven't been clicked enough and google links me to the 2008 numbers.
But Aion has >3.5 MILLION subs in the asian market, in just under a year. I doubt it will have that kind of popularity in the states, but if it gets at least 500,000, which is almost garunteed, it'll be a bigger success then AOC, WAR, and LOTRO combined.
I'm drawing the conclusion from the fact that many asian players will starting playing on NA servers along with the NA/EU/South American players, all of which will contribute to overall subscriptions.
Aion will be #2 in the states by christmas, and I wouldn't be surprised to hear AOC getting shut down and lotro rushing to get the last expansions out before their subscriber base jumps ship. WAR will hang on for a little while longer, but probably won't see a 3 year anniversary unless mythic does something epic.
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Like any newly released game, they will do well at first, but there is nothing in this game to separate itself from the rest of the genre and it will fade like they all do. Great graphics are not all that is needed to keep a up in the standings, content and gameplay are far more important factors and Aion has neither in abundance.
NCSoft also has yet to show me they can control the bots which plague their other games.
Aion does have a lot going for it already and with the inclusion of all 5 patches when it launches, people will ooo and ahh at the content. As for the bots, NCSoft East and West have made an effort to clean up the bots in their games, so we will all have to wait and see if their promises ring true.
Who wins the popularity contest is of no concern to me. Popularity to me does not equal quality of game. Developers care about popularity mainly because popular games make them more money.
Lets say if WoW is #1 and Aion is #2, someone said Aion does not set itself apart from other mmo, but I can easily say the same thing for WoW. We now have #1 and #2 both being blend games, and the whole industry is starting to look worse and worse by the minute. In other words, pointless arguements. If enjoy the game play it, if not then don't.