Damn... it looks like in order to catch up with new gaming trends I have to: age for about 8 years, dump my girlfriend, get fat and give up my reasonable optimistic attitude to life. Life of a gamer is not easy....
Have you seen the crappy games being released lately? Gamers have a damn good reason to be depressed.
LOL...so true.
The average gamer is fat...well according to most studies the average human being is overweight. Before it was the average person who watches tv is overweight. Now with 500 channels of utter crap on TV, they gotta blame the games. And with the crap games comming out...they will hafta find something else to blame the overweight epidemic.
I bet they will blame it on fast food or soda pop or something silly like that!
Haha I thought it said the average gamer, and not the average WoW gamer. If it was average WoW gamer I would add to the list easily entertained, and unintelligent.
I find the number of people responding to this thread who think the poll is just part of a conspiracy theory of health professionals trying to make money off of us funny and ridiculous. I don't know of a single doctor who does what they do for money. Sure, they have a job for money. But they aren't a doctor for money. They're a doctor or a pharmacist because they are interested in the subject matter, and they're interested in helping people. I have plenty of doctors, nurses, and pharmacists in my family and my friends' families. None of them have ever gotten excited over a new disease because they know it's going to make them more money. Being overweight is unhealthy. It's fact. Overweight people are more likely to develop health problems such as heart failure and clogged arteries, etc... thus, it's important to determine major causes of overweightness in our population so that we can take steps to combat it to improve the quality and longevity of life.
"In Internet slang, a troll is someone who posts controversial, inflammatory, irrelevant or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum, chat room or blog, with the primary intent of provoking other users into an emotional or disciplinary response[1] or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion.[2]" (Wikipedia.org, 8-24-09)
this is just the usual stereotype of gamers but personally speaking. ive had guildmates in wow who are lawyers, doctors, policemen and soldiers... gaming has a very diverse community
Originally posted by rounner Your first statement that there is an overabundance of food is a paraphrasing of what they said. Your 'it is ok to be fat' rant is another paraphrasing. Can't work out if you are an irony fail or are so self obsessed over your weight that you can't see this.
Might want to work on your reading comprehension and look up a definition of "paraphrasing" while you are at it.
My first statement was a refutation of what he said. The idea that portion size has gone up in the US is a myth. At best it is selectively true of certain categories of restaurants, isn't backed up by any reputable studies and generally part of the "we evil people consume too much" campaign. Historical caloric intakes are generally much higher, it's just that when you are working 10hr days in a factory or on a farm you burn off that 3-5000 calorie diet, you don't sitting in an office chair.
My "rant" has nothing to do with "it's okay to be fat"; the entire point of it is that it is none of your damn business wether I am or not. Any more than it is your business what color shoes I wear. Your entire line of "it's unhealthy to be fat" BS is based on the premise that you or anyone else have any right whatsoever to make me "be healthy". Neither you nor the government has the right, obligation or privelege of mandating my behavior in that fashion.
And I can't work out if you are just clueless or another totalitarian nutball who wants to run everyones life for them.
You can't disprove a scientific study that (should have) researched thousands of different persons by saying that you aren't as the study. Either you all want to share with the rest of the world of good-looking, well-trained and optimistic you are or you... well believe that one single example disproves thousands. And when we're on the subject I'm well-trained, 18 and fairly optimistic.
37 years old. Check. Overweight. Check. Depressed. Check. Dang.... Well, at least I have a job and live on my own. I've had plenty of g/f's in my life and even have a daughter though not married to her mother. I guess gaming is much like smoking pot...both make you realize that most of the crap the people of this world consider important really is not. The older one gets, the more they want to be left alone. This is why gaming is soooo appealing (and why Second Life in particular is loaded with age 30+ residents)!!
This might be the issue with this guy.... just saying it affects us all differently.
The study doesn't say that games cause people to be overweight or depressed, any more than it says that games cause people to be 35 years old on average.
Yes, a lot of people here don't seem to know the difference between correlation and causation.
This may have been stated already, did not make it through 20 some odd pages of text. Some funny stuff in some of them though.
However, this quote from the original source made me laugh:
[quote]...The study, which was carried out in the Seattle-Tacoma area, found that gamers reported "lower extraversion, consistent with research on adolescents that linked video-game playing to a sedentary lifestyle and overweight status, and to mental-health concerns." ...[/quote]
My gawd man! How many different studies are they going to carry out in upper Washington State that prove that the Seattle area residents are depressed?
I mean that is where Grunge came from! There was a study that came out about 10-15 years ago where most 20 somethings were depressed because of the baqd weather year round and not beiong able to get outside much. Sounds to me like the person doing the sudy from that just got older and found Online Gaming!
LOL!
Say hello, To the things you've left behind. They are more a part of your life now that you can't touch them.
Never heard much about ADH ADD(well except in MMO's ADHD....and all these other disorders till around late 90's.. not saying there fake just saying its was spastic kid or quite kid
They just didn't use that "politically correct" terminology back in the day. 30+ years ago, I remember going to school with a kid who was "hyperactive". Today, he'd be ADHD. Same thing, different name.
A few years ago, I went to a roleplaying convention in Paris. I was surprised how slim and healthy many of the attendees were.
Not trying to pick on France here, but the government mandated workweek is 35 hours, with 4 weeks per year mandated vacation. If I had that much fucking free time off I'd be slim and healthy too. But instead I'm sitting at a desk 11 hours a day, with little time to cook a nice healthy meal or get out and exercise one or two hours a day. It pisses me off to no end when people think Americans are lazy when in reality we probably work more hours than anyone else in the world and get less vacation for the most part. I won't deny I eat bad and rarely exercise, but there's only so many hours in the day, you know?
Originally posted by Redline65 . It pisses me off to no end when people think Americans are lazy when in reality we probably work more hours than anyone else in the world and get less vacation for the most part. I won't deny I eat bad and rarely exercise, but there's only so many hours in the day, you know?
Many people get pissed off with the victim complex of Americans. The post wasn't about you. I didn't even mention Americans. I was specifically comparing the French with the people I know best, the English.
On the other hand, your post prompted me to have a quick internet browse. I found a nice graph in Wikipaedia, which is apparently based on a 2004 OECD study. Here's some quick figures for annual work hours:
Korea: 2390
Poland: 1984
Mexico: 1980
Czech republic: 1882
Japan: 1828
Greece: 1811
USA: 1777
...
Great Britain: 1652
...
France: 1346
So whilst you guys undoubtably work pretty hard, you're a long way from being the hardest working...
The study doesn't say that games cause people to be overweight or depressed, any more than it says that games cause people to be 35 years old on average.
Yes, a lot of people here don't seem to know the difference between correlation and causation.
Sadly, way too many of those with that problem are legislators, regulators and policy-makers. It's relatively useless studies like this that get used as "proof" to support regulations, taxation and treatment programs.
Originally posted by Redline65 . It pisses me off to no end when people think Americans are lazy when in reality we probably work more hours than anyone else in the world and get less vacation for the most part. I won't deny I eat bad and rarely exercise, but there's only so many hours in the day, you know?
Many people get pissed off with the victim complex of Americans. The post wasn't about you. I didn't even mention Americans. I was specifically comparing the French with the people I know best, the English.
On the other hand, your post prompted me to have a quick internet browse. I found a nice graph in Wikipaedia, which is apparently based on a 2004 OECD study. Here's some quick figures for annual work hours:
Korea: 2390
Poland: 1984
Mexico: 1980
Czech republic: 1882
Japan: 1828
Greece: 1811
USA: 1777
...
Great Britain: 1652
...
France: 1346
So whilst you guys undoubtably work pretty hard, you're a long way from being the hardest working...
That's pretty cool to see. If true, Koreans must be pretty damn hardworking.
The average person that conducts these useless polls are overweight lazy and overpaid men that have probably never been good at games. Seriously this comes from the same group of people that did a survey on what color cars birds preferred to crap on. Their conclusion was white.
This may have been stated already, did not make it through 20 some odd pages of text. Some funny stuff in some of them though.
However, this quote from the original source made me laugh: [quote]...The study, which was carried out in the Seattle-Tacoma area, found that gamers reported "lower extraversion, consistent with research on adolescents that linked video-game playing to a sedentary lifestyle and overweight status, and to mental-health concerns." ...[/quote]
My gawd man! How many different studies are they going to carry out in upper Washington State that prove that the Seattle area residents are depressed?
I mean that is where Grunge came from! There was a study that came out about 10-15 years ago where most 20 somethings were depressed because of the baqd weather year round and not beiong able to get outside much. Sounds to me like the person doing the sudy from that just got older and found Online Gaming!
LOL!
haha very good point! but man I wouldn't change the place it gave us Soundgarden and some great bands
Sounds more like most of the bar/pub/tavern goes that I know. Same demographic as heavy drinkers. Typical group of people that practice escapeism. Just going online instead of in bottle for their escape.
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Have you seen the crappy games being released lately? Gamers have a damn good reason to be depressed.
You win.
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Damn... it looks like in order to catch up with new gaming trends I have to: age for about 8 years, dump my girlfriend, get fat and give up my reasonable optimistic attitude to life. Life of a gamer is not easy....
LOL...so true.
The average gamer is fat...well according to most studies the average human being is overweight. Before it was the average person who watches tv is overweight. Now with 500 channels of utter crap on TV, they gotta blame the games. And with the crap games comming out...they will hafta find something else to blame the overweight epidemic.
I bet they will blame it on fast food or soda pop or something silly like that!
Haha I thought it said the average gamer, and not the average WoW gamer. If it was average WoW gamer I would add to the list easily entertained, and unintelligent.
Everyone here at work is staring at me because I am laughing so hard
Good comment.
BTW I am 64 years old 5' 7" and weigh 125 pounds. I guess I am not average
Old ? yes 40.
Depressed ? no, I take prozac
Overweight ? Nope slim
I find the number of people responding to this thread who think the poll is just part of a conspiracy theory of health professionals trying to make money off of us funny and ridiculous. I don't know of a single doctor who does what they do for money. Sure, they have a job for money. But they aren't a doctor for money. They're a doctor or a pharmacist because they are interested in the subject matter, and they're interested in helping people. I have plenty of doctors, nurses, and pharmacists in my family and my friends' families. None of them have ever gotten excited over a new disease because they know it's going to make them more money. Being overweight is unhealthy. It's fact. Overweight people are more likely to develop health problems such as heart failure and clogged arteries, etc... thus, it's important to determine major causes of overweightness in our population so that we can take steps to combat it to improve the quality and longevity of life.
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The best way to deal with trolls:
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this is just the usual stereotype of gamers but personally speaking. ive had guildmates in wow who are lawyers, doctors, policemen and soldiers... gaming has a very diverse community
Might want to work on your reading comprehension and look up a definition of "paraphrasing" while you are at it.
My first statement was a refutation of what he said. The idea that portion size has gone up in the US is a myth. At best it is selectively true of certain categories of restaurants, isn't backed up by any reputable studies and generally part of the "we evil people consume too much" campaign. Historical caloric intakes are generally much higher, it's just that when you are working 10hr days in a factory or on a farm you burn off that 3-5000 calorie diet, you don't sitting in an office chair.
My "rant" has nothing to do with "it's okay to be fat"; the entire point of it is that it is none of your damn business wether I am or not. Any more than it is your business what color shoes I wear. Your entire line of "it's unhealthy to be fat" BS is based on the premise that you or anyone else have any right whatsoever to make me "be healthy". Neither you nor the government has the right, obligation or privelege of mandating my behavior in that fashion.
And I can't work out if you are just clueless or another totalitarian nutball who wants to run everyones life for them.
You can't disprove a scientific study that (should have) researched thousands of different persons by saying that you aren't as the study. Either you all want to share with the rest of the world of good-looking, well-trained and optimistic you are or you... well believe that one single example disproves thousands. And when we're on the subject I'm well-trained, 18 and fairly optimistic.
This thread would be a lot more interesting if people actually knew anything about research method, statistical variation, etc.
"But I'm not like that so this study is wrong" is about the most asinine thing one could possibly say.
Your opinion is immaterial.
This might be the issue with this guy.... just saying it affects us all differently.
Yes, a lot of people here don't seem to know the difference between correlation and causation.
Played: UO, EQ, WoW, DDO, SWG, AO, CoH, EvE, TR, AoC, GW, GA, Aion, Allods, lots more
Relatively Recently (Re)Played: HL2 (all), Halo (PC, all), Batman:AA; AC, ME, BS, DA, FO3, DS, Doom (all), LFD1&2, KOTOR, Portal 1&2, Blink, Elder Scrolls (all), lots more
Now Playing: None
Hope: None
This may have been stated already, did not make it through 20 some odd pages of text. Some funny stuff in some of them though.
However, this quote from the original source made me laugh:
[quote]...The study, which was carried out in the Seattle-Tacoma area, found that gamers reported "lower extraversion, consistent with research on adolescents that linked video-game playing to a sedentary lifestyle and overweight status, and to mental-health concerns." ...[/quote]
My gawd man! How many different studies are they going to carry out in upper Washington State that prove that the Seattle area residents are depressed?
I mean that is where Grunge came from! There was a study that came out about 10-15 years ago where most 20 somethings were depressed because of the baqd weather year round and not beiong able to get outside much. Sounds to me like the person doing the sudy from that just got older and found Online Gaming!
LOL!
Say hello, To the things you've left behind. They are more a part of your life now that you can't touch them.
They just didn't use that "politically correct" terminology back in the day. 30+ years ago, I remember going to school with a kid who was "hyperactive". Today, he'd be ADHD. Same thing, different name.
Played: UO, EQ, WoW, DDO, SWG, AO, CoH, EvE, TR, AoC, GW, GA, Aion, Allods, lots more
Relatively Recently (Re)Played: HL2 (all), Halo (PC, all), Batman:AA; AC, ME, BS, DA, FO3, DS, Doom (all), LFD1&2, KOTOR, Portal 1&2, Blink, Elder Scrolls (all), lots more
Now Playing: None
Hope: None
Complete non sense.
THe adverage people in USA are overweight... do the same research in canada and your results will be completely different.
Not trying to pick on France here, but the government mandated workweek is 35 hours, with 4 weeks per year mandated vacation. If I had that much fucking free time off I'd be slim and healthy too. But instead I'm sitting at a desk 11 hours a day, with little time to cook a nice healthy meal or get out and exercise one or two hours a day. It pisses me off to no end when people think Americans are lazy when in reality we probably work more hours than anyone else in the world and get less vacation for the most part. I won't deny I eat bad and rarely exercise, but there's only so many hours in the day, you know?
Many people get pissed off with the victim complex of Americans. The post wasn't about you. I didn't even mention Americans. I was specifically comparing the French with the people I know best, the English.
On the other hand, your post prompted me to have a quick internet browse. I found a nice graph in Wikipaedia, which is apparently based on a 2004 OECD study. Here's some quick figures for annual work hours:
Korea: 2390
Poland: 1984
Mexico: 1980
Czech republic: 1882
Japan: 1828
Greece: 1811
USA: 1777
...
Great Britain: 1652
...
France: 1346
So whilst you guys undoubtably work pretty hard, you're a long way from being the hardest working...
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Yes, a lot of people here don't seem to know the difference between correlation and causation.
Sadly, way too many of those with that problem are legislators, regulators and policy-makers. It's relatively useless studies like this that get used as "proof" to support regulations, taxation and treatment programs.
Many people get pissed off with the victim complex of Americans. The post wasn't about you. I didn't even mention Americans. I was specifically comparing the French with the people I know best, the English.
On the other hand, your post prompted me to have a quick internet browse. I found a nice graph in Wikipaedia, which is apparently based on a 2004 OECD study. Here's some quick figures for annual work hours:
Korea: 2390
Poland: 1984
Mexico: 1980
Czech republic: 1882
Japan: 1828
Greece: 1811
USA: 1777
...
Great Britain: 1652
...
France: 1346
So whilst you guys undoubtably work pretty hard, you're a long way from being the hardest working...
That's pretty cool to see. If true, Koreans must be pretty damn hardworking.
Nythious wins the /thread
Of course like another posted said you could just replace "Gamer" in that study with "Almost Any American sub-group" and the results would the same.
There is just more of us to love baby! Or be depressed over if thats the case
The average person that conducts these useless polls are overweight lazy and overpaid men that have probably never been good at games. Seriously this comes from the same group of people that did a survey on what color cars birds preferred to crap on. Their conclusion was white.
haha very good point! but man I wouldn't change the place it gave us Soundgarden and some great bands
Sounds more like most of the bar/pub/tavern goes that I know. Same demographic as heavy drinkers. Typical group of people that practice escapeism. Just going online instead of in bottle for their escape.