There's just been a few bad MMO releases over the past few years, the next few years look a lot more promising.
We said the same thing for 2008 and we all know how it ended.
Anyway,OP you are not alone.Proof is that AoC and WaR rocketed at launch with phenomenal sales but fail to retain players after 2 months.Most of us are looking for alternatives but they are not coming.Aion is the only game post WoW which is polished and with it's end game fully functional.If Aion and the others don`t keep up,Cataclysm will bring back older players to WoW...including myself and we we will back next year waiting for alternatives.
AoC simply was not done when the game launched. Blizzard on the other hand has done a tremendous job in both quality of content as well smooth releases. Blizzard has done very well in "waiting until the game is done". I think WoW will remain the premier MMO for awhile. While I have started playing AoC again and having a good time (since AoC fixed most issues), even I know that WoW is still a superb game. I simply do not see ending my WoW subscription anytime soon (besides I want my violet proto-drake).
I pretty much agree with the majority here. I've tried AoC, WAR, Tabula Rasa, LOTRO, hell even other older mmos, and nothing has kept my attention like wow has,(And with this new expac coming out, I'm sure I'll play wow for even longer.) and all of it has to do with the amount of work that blizzard put into Wow.
I want to try other MMO's, but at this point, I'm not even going to waste my money on them. I've spent way too much money on games that I've never played. 50 dollars here and there +15 for monthly fees builds up.
As far as I'm concerned, Aion, Champions, or whatever other new MMO that comes out better have a damn good free trial, or I'm not going to even bother with them.
The only things that I see tearing me away from wow are either Diablo 3 or Blizzard's new MMO.
YA FFXI has no polish?FFXI does not copy EQ,like Blizzard did.
FFXI has tons more and different mechanics than WOW.The COMBAT system blows the door off of wow.FFX Iis designed to around team work,you can't take a cheap solo effort like WOW and have good group play.This is why WOW has no polish they instead chose to move the group play into instances ,lol,not much skill in pulling that off,i could do that myself with no team behind me,no large payroll.
FFXXI has Besieged,the mobs attack the main city,you have to defend it and keep them from capturing valuable NPC.They have cool mechanics like SATA.You utilize TP,WOW wouldn't know what that is,it wasn't in EQ to copy.The game has a translator,hmm another innovation,wow couldn't copy from EQ.How do WOW players communicate with foreign languages?oh wait they don't they play solo<<sad ,join 11 million subscribers to play solo.
No cheap freebie XP in FFXI,everything is earned.Why? because it is about the sense of accomplishment,it is not about bragging about how fast you can level to end game.You play FFXI for the WHOLE game level 1>75.
You have to tame pets [bst class],i mean lol at these games that magically spawn a pet.How about the unique Blue Mage class,you learn all of your abilities from mobs in the game,you are not just handed them for speed leveling.
The ONLY thing WOW and FFXI have in common is low end tech and graphics.Big difference is FFXI was designed for console,the game had to meet it's demands.Blizzard spent a ton more money on WOW and delivered the same low end quality,you know why?because the Warcraft engine was cheap and free.
Here is the best part of FFXI,SUB-CLASS system,this alone puts the game far ahead of the rest for innovation and design,because not only was it a unique design,but they made it work to perfection.The whole game works in sync totally for group play,the design never fails at any point of the game.Yet the game still allows the BST,to solo in the game.Oh and in FFXI you get to play all the jobs on the same player,so yo uhave the ability and sense of accomplishment in building up all your skills for each weapon,and having a HUGE array of versatility to play your player,something even these so called skill point games cannot pull off.
A spell and ability system with tons of versatility no overlapping spells and abilities.A great design is the avatars and the Summoner class/job tons of varying utility spells/abilities.The Dragoon class has the pet dragon,a cool design for that class.The way you setup your main player ,determines how our dragon ends up,it can be a dmg dealer or a healer or a combo.
Honestly ,FFXI was so magical and amazing,i find it hard to believe Square Enix can ever pull off the same quality again.Who knows they have FFXIV coming out and the yare one amazing developer,Blizzard would be just served to start copying ideas from them,if they have run out of EQ ideas to copy.I 100% honestly believe Blizzard could not copy FFXI and pull it off,it is too complicated a system,especially designed around group play and not solo,any noob developer can pull off solo play.
The RDM class,need i say more,often times i say it is an overpowering class,but not in the noob sense,only because it has too many mechanics,that other jobs do not get.Using extreme caution and smarts a RDM can actually take on foes a whole group or several players cannot.It basically takes a lot of skill to pull it off,but it gives the player a sense of accomplishment.
Never forget 3 mile Island and never trust a government official or company spokesman.
YA FFXI has no polish?FFX Idoes not copy EQ,like Blizzard did. FFXI has tons more and different mechanics than WOW.The COMBAT system blows the door off of wow.FFX Iis designed to around team work,you can't take a cheap solo effort like WOW and have good group play.This is why WOW has no polish the yinstead chose to move the group play into instances ,lol,not much skill in pulling that off,i could do that myself with no team behind me,no large payroll. FFXXI has Beseiged,the mobs attack the main city,you have to defend it and keep them from capturing valuable NPC.They have cool mechanics like SATA.You utilize TP,WOW wouldn't know wha tthat is,it wasn't in EQ to copy.The game has a translator,hmm another innovation,wow couldn't copy from EQ.How do WOW players communicate with foreig languages?oh wait they don't they play solo<<sad ,join 11 million subscribers to play solo. No cheap freebie XP in FFXI,everything is earned.Why? because it is about the sense of accomplishment,it is not about bragging about how fast you can level to end game.You play FFXI for the WHOLE game level 1>75. You have to tame pets [bst class],i mean lol at these games that magically spawn a pet.How about the unique Blue mage class,you learn all of your abilities from mobs in the game,you are not just handed them for speed leveling. The ONLY thing WOW and FFXI have in common is low end tech and graphics.Big difference is FFXI was designed for console,the game had to meet it's demands.Blizzard spent a ton more money on WOW and delivered the same low end quality,you know why?because the warcraft engine was cheap and free. Here is the best part of FFXI,SUB-CLASS system,this alone puts the game far ahead of the rest for innovation and design,because not only was it a unique design,but they made it work to perfection.The whole game works in sync totally for group play,the design never fails at any point of the game.Yet the game stiull allows the BST,to solo in the game.Oh and in FFXI yo uget to play al lthe jobs on the same player,so yo uhave the ability and sense of accomplishment in building up all your skills for each weapon,and having a HUGE array of versatility to play your player,something eve nthese so called skill point games cannot pull off. A spell and ability system with tons of versatility no overlapping spells and abilites.A great design is the avatars and the Summoner class/job tons of varying utility spells/abilities.The Dragoon class has the pet dragon,a cool design for that class. Honestly ,FFXI was so magical and amazing,i find it hard t obelieve Square Enix can ever pull off the same quality again.Who knows the yhave FFXIV coming out and the yare one amazing developer,Blizzard would be just served to start copying ideas from them,if they have run out of EQ ideas to copy.I 100% honestly believe Blizzard could not copy FFXI and pull it off,it is too compicated a system,especially designed around group play and not solo,any noob developer can pull off solo play. The RDM class,need i say more,often times i say it is an overpowering class,but not in the noob sense,only because it has too many mechanics,that other jobs do not get.Using extreme caution and smarts a RDM can actually take on foes a whole group or several players cannot.It basically takes a lot of skil lto pull it off,but it gives the player a sense of accomplishment.
LOL! let it out, its ok. ./pat
Some of you guys are just so intense when it comes to these games. Sorry for me FFXI looks like hell and I can't stand the combat and needing a group for everything. I like grouping but I also enjoy a nice couple hour solo session as well.
Like I said we haven't seen a good MMO in 5+ years, how old is FF? 6-7 years old?
I'm glad you got a mmo that makes you feel like you achieved something LOL!
Ya i know i have heard the VAGUE "FUN" statement before,that is why wow players race to end game,because the game was so fun right?
It's ok,there is never any comeback from WOW because honestly it cannot tie FFXI's shoelaces.So you know i touched on your SOLO aspect ,i can fully understand it,but that is why in FFXI you can play EVERYTHING on the same player.You want to solo? go out and earn that BST job and use that.Heck you can even solo at times on Dragoon or Summoner,the choice is there my friend the game has no limitations as many like to think.It is just up to the player to have to think for once,there is no cookie cutter game in FFXi.
These 3 jobs CAN solo,but you know what they all take a LOT of skill to master depending on what you fight, each has its own role,it's own mechanics to master,neither of the 3 are remotely close in mechanics,so tons of versatility for players,lots of new challenges.
FFX I is such an amazing in depth game,the thought process that must have went into every aspect is mind boggling,that is why my posts can be so long,it is not an easy game to describe.In FFXI you NEVER stop learning,there is a new mechanic or something new to learn through out the game.
Oh i didn't even mention you can join NPC's in battle out in the field to battle the BEASTMEN and yes you get xp.
ok i quit,post too long again ,there is just too much unique stuff in FFXI yo uneed a book t owrite it all down.Moblin maze mongers/Salvage/Sky/SEA/Assault/outpost fights, gear switching during combat, ok i stop now lmao.
UMM BTW you people were saying there is no game like WOW out there?actually many are LIKE WOW ,except one >>FFXI stands alone.Who knows maybe Square will amaze again with FFXIV,i am however a little skeptical this time around.
Never forget 3 mile Island and never trust a government official or company spokesman.
YA FFXI has no polish?FFX Idoes not copy EQ,like Blizzard did. FFXI has tons more and different mechanics than WOW.The COMBAT system blows the door off of wow.FFX Iis designed to around team work,you can't take a cheap solo effort like WOW and have good group play.This is why WOW has no polish the yinstead chose to move the group play into instances ,lol,not much skill in pulling that off,i could do that myself with no team behind me,no large payroll. FFXXI has Beseiged,the mobs attack the main city,you have to defend it and keep them from capturing valuable NPC.They have cool mechanics like SATA.You utilize TP,WOW wouldn't know wha tthat is,it wasn't in EQ to copy.The game has a translator,hmm another innovation,wow couldn't copy from EQ.How do WOW players communicate with foreig languages?oh wait they don't they play solo<<sad ,join 11 million subscribers to play solo. No cheap freebie XP in FFXI,everything is earned.Why? because it is about the sense of accomplishment,it is not about bragging about how fast you can level to end game.You play FFXI for the WHOLE game level 1>75. You have to tame pets [bst class],i mean lol at these games that magically spawn a pet.How about the unique Blue mage class,you learn all of your abilities from mobs in the game,you are not just handed them for speed leveling. The ONLY thing WOW and FFXI have in common is low end tech and graphics.Big difference is FFXI was designed for console,the game had to meet it's demands.Blizzard spent a ton more money on WOW and delivered the same low end quality,you know why?because the warcraft engine was cheap and free. Here is the best part of FFXI,SUB-CLASS system,this alone puts the game far ahead of the rest for innovation and design,because not only was it a unique design,but they made it work to perfection.The whole game works in sync totally for group play,the design never fails at any point of the game.Yet the game stiull allows the BST,to solo in the game.Oh and in FFXI yo uget to play al lthe jobs on the same player,so yo uhave the ability and sense of accomplishment in building up all your skills for each weapon,and having a HUGE array of versatility to play your player,something eve nthese so called skill point games cannot pull off. A spell and ability system with tons of versatility no overlapping spells and abilites.A great design is the avatars and the Summoner class/job tons of varying utility spells/abilities.The Dragoon class has the pet dragon,a cool design for that class. Honestly ,FFXI was so magical and amazing,i find it hard t obelieve Square Enix can ever pull off the same quality again.Who knows the yhave FFXIV coming out and the yare one amazing developer,Blizzard would be just served to start copying ideas from them,if they have run out of EQ ideas to copy.I 100% honestly believe Blizzard could not copy FFXI and pull it off,it is too compicated a system,especially designed around group play and not solo,any noob developer can pull off solo play. The RDM class,need i say more,often times i say it is an overpowering class,but not in the noob sense,only because it has too many mechanics,that other jobs do not get.Using extreme caution and smarts a RDM can actually take on foes a whole group or several players cannot.It basically takes a lot of skil lto pull it off,but it gives the player a sense of accomplishment.
LOL! let it out, its ok. ./pat
Some of you guys are just so intense when it comes to these games. Sorry for me FFXI looks like hell and I can't stand the combat and needing a group for everything. I like grouping but I also enjoy a nice couple hour solo session as well.
Like I said we haven't seen a good MMO in 5+ years, how old is FF? 6-7 years old?
I'm glad you got a mmo that makes you feel like you achieved something LOL!
Wanna know what I achieve playing WoW? fun.
The best part for FFXI for me was it never felt like a grind, there was so many things you can do and have fun. every class wa just.. completly different. they all had entirely different mechanics, just running to a dungeon was a sense of accomplishment.
game was just pure fun.
anyways, other than FFXI and WoW i cannot play ANY other mmo anymore, they lack so many things i just want to hurl.
I loved WoW at first, but with the expansions especially flying mounts and with new contents making other places a ghost town.. it lost its touch, this expansion though seems like a the perfect path they should have gone before.. i feel they are making the right move, hopefully. This entire expansions seems really more based to get all the people who quit from around BC era to come back, because it gave that vibe the game once had before it got scattered to a ghost.
When I stopped WOW around 2 years ago, I was happy and ready to try new mmos and find games with better graphics and realistic characters, and different gameplay
2 years later, the only MMO that I find as satisfying as WOW were Guild Wars and Requiem Bloodymare, the rest have been disappointing for me and I literally have downloaded most games from the list and tried them out then delete them and on and on...I have downloaded Perfect World probably 20 times in the last 2 years...as funny as that sounds, I just love playing as a wolf...but I hate the gameplay in Perfect World...
HUH OH!!! Now WOW has a "wolf" like character...now nothings gonna stop me from playing WOW forever!!! =p
Ya i know i have heard the VAGUE "FUN" statement before,that is why wow players race to end game,because the game was so fun right? It's ok,there is never any comeback from WOW because honestly it cannot tie FFXI's shoelaces.So you know i touched on your SOLO aspect ,i can fully understand it,but that is why in FFXI you can play EVERYTHING on the same player.You want to solo? go out and earn that BST job and use that.Heck you can even solo at times on Dragoon or Summoner,the choice is there my friend the game has no limitations as many like to think.It is just up to the player to have to think for once,there is no cookie cutter game in FFXi. These 3 jobs CAN solo,but you know what they all take a LOT of skill to master depending on what you fight, each has its own role,it's own mechanics to master,neither of the 3 are remotely close in mechanics,so tons of versatility for players,lots of new challenges. FFX I is such an amazing in depth game,the thought process that must have went into every aspect is mind boggling,that is why my posts can be so long,it is not an easy game to describe.In FFXI you NEVER stop learning,there is a new mechanic or something new to learn through out the game. Oh i didn't even mention you can join NPC's in battle out in the field to battle the BEASTMEN and yes you get xp. ok i quit,post too long again ,there is just too much unique stuff in FFXI yo uneed a book t owrite it all down.Moblin maze mongers/Salvage/Sky/SEA/Assault/outpost fights, gear switching during combat, ok i stop now lmao. UMM BTW you people were saying there is no game like WOW out there?actually many are LIKE WOW ,except one >>FFXI stands alone.Who knows maybe Square will amaze again with FFXIV,i am however a little skeptical this time around.
First off don't insult me, I do not rush to endgame and I'm not a stupid idiot that doesn't like to think. These are video games yet you so called "Hardcore" gamers seem to think WoW players are inferior as human beings.
FFXI is not a hard game at all, its a seriously niche game and in all honesty has nothing on WoW. WoW gives me everything. great classes to play, solo ability, grouping, pvp, Pve dungeons and raids, crafting and a multiple of roles with one character if I choose.
You're not smarter than anyone for playing a video game, people like different games. I could be a god damn scientist and you guys would still label me as mentally challenged since I like playing WoW.
My whole post is about not having any new mmos to play, last time I checked FFXI was an old game. I said all mmos that came out under 5 years ago are nothing but Bad copies of WoW/EQ. FF doesn't fall under this category.
while i'm on the subject of FFXI, Ill tell you how I really feel about FFXI and why its a near failure when it comes to sub numbers and profits compared to WoW. Final Fantasy is limited in its scope for the player all the game offers is a group centric world with raids at the end. It's lame. As a wow player you will have to bring more than that to the table.
Struggling to find a group 24/7 and grinding a year and a day to level isn't fun. It's Work and the model FF uses is old and tired. Enjoy FF while it lasts because FFXIV will be very similar to WoW.
I also think is funny that you think FF combat is better than WoW. it's like watching paint dry and completely boring to anyone that tries the game with the exception of 500k fanbois/girls.
I never really liked wow but i think it's the second best mmorpg ever made to me Anarchy online was the best.
But ferentus would of had Wow spot in second if it was still around.
I think they don't put enough into mmorpg's they always feel to simplistic or they are too much of a grind or the classes are crap or they focus to much on pvp to me.
Wow is an ok game because alot of the classes actually feel like they have a purpose to me, they are built to work with a group and can also solo and it feel right, some games the group play with a class just doesn't feel right for me like rappelz, i liked playing healer in AO and wow but in rappelz the mp issues and needing a second healer made me hate the class.
Not to mention rappelz grind and lack of groups. which is also a problem with some games, finding groups.
but i'll say the number one problem is the classes for me, if i like my classes i keep playign the game till i can't stand it anymore.
Usually though i try an mmo and since i've already played ao for 4 years and tried a lot of other mmo's i get bored right away with doing the same crap i've done in other games and have to push myself to level so i can't get higher to get a good sense of the class but some times they don't want you to be able to level fast so you can get to the point to see how your class would feel once it starts getting more spells/powers/abilities it's just a slow grind and by the time i get once class to a point where i feel like ok i hate this class i don't feel like going through it again for whatever reason. So some games i don't give a fair shake but my assumption that the rest of the classes and later content would suck i think is usually correct.
Wow kinda has that problem too though but it's not that bad getting new spells as you level is kinda slow and for me i used lvl 20 for the point in wow where i decided if i liked a class except for druid and priest i waited till 35.
Maybe they need to make a seperate server for these games for new players to test with 2-3x xp atleast to level faster to see if they like a game. Idk it's just kinda hard to deal with the grind when they don't give you much to take your mind off the grind.
Ao i enjoyed most "classes" from the start didn't feel like i was too weak for lacking spells and i for some reason hardly felt like i was grinding till high up in the levels and when you have 200+ levels you can let the first 100 or so feel kinda fast.
It's the f2p games tho that i feel the leveling is made to be slow. p2p the classes just suck to me like coh/mxo/swg nge/aoc/champions online.
Eq'2 i don't know why but i didn't like it and lotro too.
Maybe they need to take into accoutn soem peopel have been playing mmorpg's since and before wow came out or something i don't even know starting to hate mmorpg's
I've left WoW and find most games lacking...except a good console or tactical RPG. I'm just waiting it out till the new mmos & blizzard titles come out
Good chance to beta the onslaught of games and see what type of competition is in development (and the occasional bug to help). Borderlands needs to come out sooner...don't know if I can make it till next year's lineup.
Ya i know i have heard the VAGUE "FUN" statement before,that is why wow players race to end game,because the game was so fun right? It's ok,there is never any comeback from WOW because honestly it cannot tie FFXI's shoelaces.So you know i touched on your SOLO aspect ,i can fully understand it,but that is why in FFXI you can play EVERYTHING on the same player.You want to solo? go out and earn that BST job and use that.Heck you can even solo at times on Dragoon or Summoner,the choice is there my friend the game has no limitations as many like to think.It is just up to the player to have to think for once,there is no cookie cutter game in FFXi. These 3 jobs CAN solo,but you know what they all take a LOT of skill to master depending on what you fight, each has its own role,it's own mechanics to master,neither of the 3 are remotely close in mechanics,so tons of versatility for players,lots of new challenges. FFX I is such an amazing in depth game,the thought process that must have went into every aspect is mind boggling,that is why my posts can be so long,it is not an easy game to describe.In FFXI you NEVER stop learning,there is a new mechanic or something new to learn through out the game. Oh i didn't even mention you can join NPC's in battle out in the field to battle the BEASTMEN and yes you get xp. ok i quit,post too long again ,there is just too much unique stuff in FFXI yo uneed a book t owrite it all down.Moblin maze mongers/Salvage/Sky/SEA/Assault/outpost fights, gear switching during combat, ok i stop now lmao. UMM BTW you people were saying there is no game like WOW out there?actually many are LIKE WOW ,except one >>FFXI stands alone.Who knows maybe Square will amaze again with FFXIV,i am however a little skeptical this time around.
First off don't insult me, I do not rush to endgame and I'm not a stupid idiot that doesn't like to think. These are video games yet you so called "Hardcore" gamers seem to think WoW players are inferior as human beings.
FFXI is not a hard game at all, its a seriously niche game and in all honesty has nothing on WoW. WoW gives me everything. great classes to play, solo ability, grouping, pvp, Pve dungeons and raids, crafting and a multiple of roles with one character if I choose.
You're not smarter than anyone for playing a video game, people like different games. I could be a god damn scientist and you guys would still label me as mentally challenged since I like playing WoW.
My whole post is about not having any new mmos to play, last time I checked FFXI was an old game. I said all mmos that came out under 5 years ago are nothing but Bad copies of WoW/EQ. FF doesn't fall under this category.
while i'm on the subject of FFXI, Ill tell you how I really feel about FFXI and why its a near failure when it comes to sub numbers and profits compared to WoW. Final Fantasy is limited in its scope for the player all the game offers is a group centric world with raids at the end. It's lame. As a wow player you will have to bring more than that to the table.
Struggling to find a group 24/7 and grinding a year and a day to level isn't fun. It's Work and the model FF uses is old and tired. Enjoy FF while it lasts because FFXIV will be very similar to WoW.
I also think is funny that you think FF combat is better than WoW. it's like watching paint dry and completely boring to anyone that tries the game with the exception of 500k fanbois/girls.
@ Remii718
Its all subjective opinions on if you thing WoW's Combat/Graphics and everything else is better. Just like how me and Wizardy think FFXI is better than WoW. I don't look down on people who play WoW I played it but it was just so boring IMO. I guess I enjoy grinding mobs and talking to people in my group and going on adventures compared to solo quest grinding and running through dungeons at lightning speed.
Bringing up the whole sub thing is just retarded because before WoW 500k subs was quite a good number and WoW just released the right game at the right time. No other game not even Blizzards next MMO will ever be as successful as WoW was IMO. So saying that FFXI is a near failure is just stupid its held those 500k subs for a long time and it being a what 7 year old game Id say thats pretty damn good especially it being a niche game because I guess a lot of people don't like the asian grind.
The only thing that FFXIV that will be similar to WoW is that it will be a bit more casual friendly, SE is actually a company that likes to innovate and make games that are different rather than just take all the successful things out of MMO's and put them all together. I have never played a game that has ever felt like Ive played it before, unlike when I played WoW and pretty much every game post wow its felt like I was playing the same game but with different graphics and story. If you would just looked up a bit of info about FFXIV youd know that its going to be nothing like WoW. No levels for one, changing jobs on the fly depending what weapon you use are just a few cool things that FFXIV has to offer.
ITs cool that you like WoW but don't bash other games because you don't like them. WoW is the game for you and a ton of other people that play it, but its not the best for everyone. Im sorry I just get tired of everyone saying WoW is the only game worth playing and preaching this like its the holy word of God almighty.
I just can't help to dislike things that are popular because we all know what happens to things that do get popular. Just look at a few bands, Green Day and Blink 182. Both were kick ass Pop-Punk bands before they got popular, then after they did there music started to change. You can say that maybe it changed because they changed,and maybe they did. But then you look at a band NOFX that has been playing just about as long and their music still sounds pretty much the same as it did almost 20 years ago. Now IMHO the record companies pushed Green Day and Blink to make songs that were more popular and they had to grind out the hits to make the money.
The same thing goes for MMO"s once they start getting popular they start putting out content for the Popular crowd and that stuff just don't appeal to me. I like grouping up for hours on end, I like FFXI and every part of it. We are not fanboys because we play the game, we play the game because we enjoy it more than anything else. If we all liked the same thing life would be hella boring, this is why I like things that are different than the IN crowed, I don't want to be like everyone else like the things that everyone else does.
Am I the only WoW player that left WoW only to find every freaking game lacking? Games with stiff animation, shitty graphics, terrible UI, Bland quests, Dungeons that were basically just mobs standing around. One dimensional classes, small empty servers, next to no endgame, I could go on.
After seeing these games I'm simply shocked that players are wondering why WoW is still the top mmo on the market. Out of every damn game on the market only EvE was worth playing for an extended period of time.
Now before you say my First mmo was WoW, I started playing MMO right before trammel hit in UO. So i'm pretty sure i'm qualified to say a game is dog shit. Wtf is wrong with the mmo genre where I can't even try another game that doesn't copy the EQ/WoW formula?
WoW is a great game for most but it's quality and success is no reason for every god damn game to suck. I'm a frustrated mmo player and I'm tired of every game being a copy of Wow. Sure Wow copied EQ but atleast when Blizzard copied it they improved on it's mechanics and opened up the genre to many people that never played mmos before.
Lotro, WAR, AoC and others copy the formula but never actually improve on it like blizzard did.
When the hell am I going to get an alternative game to play? Do the rest of you guys feel like this? is it not frustrating to have no game to play when WoW gets a little slow? or when guildies arent online and queues arent popping?
Where are the good games? this is the only gaming genre that is this bad, where one fantasy MMO rules them all while only one other dev house (CCP) can make a game that doesn't totally copy the one big game.
Am I the only one that feels like this?
Actually I found out the opposite. Too bad Blizz couldn't give more variety to characters so every other person doesn't look like a clone.
Ya i know i have heard the VAGUE "FUN" statement before,that is why wow players race to end game,because the game was so fun right? It's ok,there is never any comeback from WOW because honestly it cannot tie FFXI's shoelaces.So you know i touched on your SOLO aspect ,i can fully understand it,but that is why in FFXI you can play EVERYTHING on the same player.You want to solo? go out and earn that BST job and use that.Heck you can even solo at times on Dragoon or Summoner,the choice is there my friend the game has no limitations as many like to think.It is just up to the player to have to think for once,there is no cookie cutter game in FFXi. These 3 jobs CAN solo,but you know what they all take a LOT of skill to master depending on what you fight, each has its own role,it's own mechanics to master,neither of the 3 are remotely close in mechanics,so tons of versatility for players,lots of new challenges. FFX I is such an amazing in depth game,the thought process that must have went into every aspect is mind boggling,that is why my posts can be so long,it is not an easy game to describe.In FFXI you NEVER stop learning,there is a new mechanic or something new to learn through out the game. Oh i didn't even mention you can join NPC's in battle out in the field to battle the BEASTMEN and yes you get xp. ok i quit,post too long again ,there is just too much unique stuff in FFXI yo uneed a book t owrite it all down.Moblin maze mongers/Salvage/Sky/SEA/Assault/outpost fights, gear switching during combat, ok i stop now lmao. UMM BTW you people were saying there is no game like WOW out there?actually many are LIKE WOW ,except one >>FFXI stands alone.Who knows maybe Square will amaze again with FFXIV,i am however a little skeptical this time around.
First off don't insult me, I do not rush to endgame and I'm not a stupid idiot that doesn't like to think. These are video games yet you so called "Hardcore" gamers seem to think WoW players are inferior as human beings.
FFXI is not a hard game at all, its a seriously niche game and in all honesty has nothing on WoW. WoW gives me everything. great classes to play, solo ability, grouping, pvp, Pve dungeons and raids, crafting and a multiple of roles with one character if I choose.
You're not smarter than anyone for playing a video game, people like different games. I could be a god damn scientist and you guys would still label me as mentally challenged since I like playing WoW.
My whole post is about not having any new mmos to play, last time I checked FFXI was an old game. I said all mmos that came out under 5 years ago are nothing but Bad copies of WoW/EQ. FF doesn't fall under this category.
while i'm on the subject of FFXI, Ill tell you how I really feel about FFXI and why its a near failure when it comes to sub numbers and profits compared to WoW. Final Fantasy is limited in its scope for the player all the game offers is a group centric world with raids at the end. It's lame. As a wow player you will have to bring more than that to the table.
Struggling to find a group 24/7 and grinding a year and a day to level isn't fun. It's Work and the model FF uses is old and tired. Enjoy FF while it lasts because FFXIV will be very similar to WoW.
I also think is funny that you think FF combat is better than WoW. it's like watching paint dry and completely boring to anyone that tries the game with the exception of 500k fanbois/girls.
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Its all subjective opinions on if you thing WoW's Combat/Graphics and everything else is better. Just like how me and Wizardy think FFXI is better than WoW. I don't look down on people who play WoW I played it but it was just so boring IMO. I guess I enjoy grinding mobs and talking to people in my group and going on adventures compared to solo quest grinding and running through dungeons at lightning speed.
Bringing up the whole sub thing is just retarded because before WoW 500k subs was quite a good number and WoW just released the right game at the right time. No other game not even Blizzards next MMO will ever be as successful as WoW was IMO. So saying that FFXI is a near failure is just stupid its held those 500k subs for a long time and it being a what 7 year old game Id say thats pretty damn good especially it being a niche game because I guess a lot of people don't like the asian grind.
The only thing that FFXIV that will be similar to WoW is that it will be a bit more casual friendly, SE is actually a company that likes to innovate and make games that are different rather than just take all the successful things out of MMO's and put them all together. I have never played a game that has ever felt like Ive played it before, unlike when I played WoW and pretty much every game post wow its felt like I was playing the same game but with different graphics and story. If you would just looked up a bit of info about FFXIV youd know that its going to be nothing like WoW. No levels for one, changing jobs on the fly depending what weapon you use are just a few cool things that FFXIV has to offer.
ITs cool that you like WoW but don't bash other games because you don't like them. WoW is the game for you and a ton of other people that play it, but its not the best for everyone. Im sorry I just get tired of everyone saying WoW is the only game worth playing and preaching this like its the holy word of God almighty.
I just can't help to dislike things that are popular because we all know what happens to things that do get popular. Just look at a few bands, Green Day and Blink 182. Both were kick ass Pop-Punk bands before they got popular, then after they did there music started to change. You can say that maybe it changed because they changed,and maybe they did. But then you look at a band NOFX that has been playing just about as long and their music still sounds pretty much the same as it did almost 20 years ago. Now IMHO the record companies pushed Green Day and Blink to make songs that were more popular and they had to grind out the hits to make the money.
The same thing goes for MMO"s once they start getting popular they start putting out content for the Popular crowd and that stuff just don't appeal to me. I like grouping up for hours on end, I like FFXI and every part of it. We are not fanboys because we play the game, we play the game because we enjoy it more than anything else. If we all liked the same thing life would be hella boring, this is why I like things that are different than the IN crowed, I don't want to be like everyone else like the things that everyone else does.
When I say like WoW I mean accessible something FFXI isn't atm. ALso my OP wasn't even directed at a game like FFXI since it's considered one of the better old mmos like DAoC and AO. Wizardry seems not to speak english as his main language so he probably had no idea what the hell I was talking about, which is fine. I just got somewhat offended that he told me I don't like to think so I wouldn't play FF.
As a player I'm all about accessibility, Unlike our college days I can no longer burn the midnight oil playing MMOs for 40-50 hours a week a game like FF requires a massive time commitment one I simply cannot give.
Agreed, and that's also why Blizzard is trying to come out with as much new content as they are is because they even realize people are getting kind of worn out. They are trying to throw some curveballs, and if just re-facing whats already been done and making it updated is what they are going to do... so be it......Honestly, I have heard some good things about Aion and even though can't really stand the look of it because it reminds me of a Asian F2P Grinder, I have heard it has a lot of similarity to WoW and builds even upon it. I believe it is the next MMO I will be giving a whirl.
I agree where there are a few good games most of them smell of asian mmo influence. I played MU after I was done with Ultima online. And no matter how good the game is if it caters to an Asian market it will have a few key elements. One of those elements is having wings, a free roaming no loot dropping pvp system, outrageous broken markets, kill stealing and town camping item sellers since they refuse to put an AH of any sort in their games. On the other hand it is NC soft so maybe it's better, but I see wings and Animation Goku hair I usually run for the hills. There are not enough Western mmorpgs right now not really mmorpgs.
YA FFXI has no polish?FFX Idoes not copy EQ,like Blizzard did.
Like I said we haven't seen a good MMO in 5+ years, how old is FF? 6-7 years old?
I can name three off the top of my head. Ryzom, DaoC & Eve Online. I can also give an honorable mention to Anarchy Online, although Funcom dropped the ball on keeping it up to date with the MMO market. It still has much more depth, better crafting & superior PvP than WoW.
AoC was a failed launch (not surprising from Funcom) but it has been improved & polished to a level where it is a damn good game with strong PvP. Warhammer was botched by Mythic but still has some of the best mass PvP in the MMO market. I don't have much hope for that game, but you never know, and some still like it.
You also could have started playing Aion beta 2 months ago. It's avery good game, a step up from WoW but similiar in nature outside the strong PvP focus.
It does not sound like you tried many other MMOs but are just assuming.
I know FFXI is a good game but I find it interesting how you completely omitted the huge problem of gil farmers in FFXI which literally crippled the game. Also, it is not at all newbie friendly since you have to group to make any progress and the established playerbase is not friendly at all. Those two issues are huge turn offs.
YA FFXI has no polish?FFX Idoes not copy EQ,like Blizzard did.
Like I said we haven't seen a good MMO in 5+ years, how old is FF? 6-7 years old?
I can name three off the top of my head. Ryzom, DaoC & Eve Online. I can also give an honorable mention to Anarchy Online, although Funcom dropped the ball on keeping it up to date with the MMO market. It still has much more depth, better crafting & superior PvP than WoW.
AoC was a failed launch (not surprising from Funcom) but it has been improved & polished to a level where it is a damn good game with strong PvP. Warhammer was botched by Mythic but still has some of the best mass PvP in the MMO market. I don't have much hope for that game, but you never know, and some still like it.
You also could have started playing Aion beta 2 months ago. It's avery good game, a step up from WoW but similiar in nature outside the strong PvP focus.
It does not sound like you tried many other MMOs but are just assuming.
DAoC Has been out for 7+ years, EvE for 6+, AO for 8+ and Ryzom is coming up on 5 years. If it means anything I would also like to note in my sig that all of those games are in my Top 10 of all time lol.
I'm talking about Newish games. While you can technically put ryzom in the "under 5 years category" that game has so few players atm that I have a hard time enjoying myself.
Where are the New games? Lotro, AOC, WAR, TR, VG were all major let downs.
Also i've played every game on my lists for atleast three months either in Beta or right after release, so yes I've played the games I'm targetting.
As for Aion it's still under review, once I get more playtime with it I'll keep away from "Is Aion good" topics.
I can name three off the top of my head. Ryzom, DaoC & Eve Online. I can also give an honorable mention to Anarchy Online, although Funcom dropped the ball on keeping it up to date with the MMO market. It still has much more depth, better crafting & superior PvP than WoW. AoC was a failed launch (not surprising from Funcom) but it has been improved & polished to a level where it is a damn good game with strong PvP. Warhammer was botched by Mythic but still has some of the best mass PvP in the MMO market. I don't have much hope for that game, but you never know, and some still like it. You also could have started playing Aion beta 2 months ago. It's avery good game, a step up from WoW but similiar in nature outside the strong PvP focus. It does not sound like you tried many other MMOs but are just assuming.
DAoC Has been out for 7+ years, EvE for 6+, AO for 8+ and Ryzom is coming up on 5 years. If it means anything I would also like to note in my sig that all of those games are in my Top 10 of all time lol.
I'm talking about Newish games. While you can technically put ryzom in the "under 5 years category" that game has so few players atm that I have a hard time enjoying myself.
Where are the New games? Lotro, AOC, WAR, TR, VG were all major let downs.
Also i've played every game on my lists for atleast three months either in Beta or right after release, so yes I've played the games I'm targetting.
As for Aion it's still under review, once I get more playtime with it I'll keep away from "Is Aion good" topics.
Just as if a Korean copycat product will;ever have an impact on the development of this industry.
Add it to the long list above.
At least Lotro had its famous Lore, War had its famous WH TT origines, AoC the huge fans of Conan, TR had THE Lord British and VG had the hype....
Aion... has translated Korean text boxes and people with ... folded wings on their backs...
WOW.
You'd better wait for SW or ST before dropping money on the copies.
Zorn, I usually agree with most of your points, but.....talking about folded wings like it's the goofiest thing ever I kind of lose ya there man. I mean we are wow players and we have: gnomes (freaking gnomes man), dwarves on motorcycles (wtf), soon to have goblins. WoW has it share of goofy lore....
I agree completely. It seems that developers anymore have their sights set only on how much money they think they're going to make rather than making a quality product. In the end, every one of them has fallen far short. Let's not forget that Blizzard was taken completely by surprise by the success of World of Warcraft. Their early, very minor problems were the result of underestimating the way the game would be embraced. Right now, there are two shining stars on the horizon, but six months from now, they will be left with little more than a core subscriber base because they lack the depth and polish to retain any sizeable customer base. I've tried nearly every last one of WoW's would-be competitiors and, in the end, I always wind up playing Blizzard's game again because not one of them has been able to even approach the level of quality of gameplay that compels me back to Azeroth. I even have a Lord of the Rings Lifetime Account and I no longer have the desire to log back in. I used to fight it, but I'm tired of getting excited about some new game that seems viewed only as a source of revenue from the developers and in the end, the experience falls flat. You want my money? Then stop taking shortcuts, thinking that people will lap it up anyway. In the meantime, I'll be anxiously awaiting the day I can order my Cataclysm Collectors' Edition.
do you really think its the developers?
the way i see it, to make an MMO you need years of "developing" so developers need to get paid and they need tools and they need desks and computers and etc.....
where are the developers going to get all that moneyz?
INVESTORS!!! (who happen to be businessmen/woman who think money money money)
investors: here is x amount of money to start your project.
developers: ok it will take 5 years to make
investors: i want to see returns in 3
developers: WTF? 3 years that not possi...
investors: ok ill take my moneyz elsewhere
developers (who needs to eat): ok ok ill do my best
investors: ok now world of warcraft has 11 bazillion subscribers, what they are doing must be good. so you do the same thing
developers: ok but i had a new idea instead of (insert the most amazing MMO concept you can think of)
investor: hmmm are you sure we will have 11 bazillion subs?
developers: well i dont know, maybe?
investors: refused... WoW has 11 bazillions, do what they do, and you have 2 years
developers: you said 3!
investors: 2 years or i take my moneyz elsewhere
developers: k fine... (sigh)
and thats how bad incomplete poop games are born these days
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We said the same thing for 2008 and we all know how it ended.
Anyway,OP you are not alone.Proof is that AoC and WaR rocketed at launch with phenomenal sales but fail to retain players after 2 months.Most of us are looking for alternatives but they are not coming.Aion is the only game post WoW which is polished and with it's end game fully functional.If Aion and the others don`t keep up,Cataclysm will bring back older players to WoW...including myself and we we will back next year waiting for alternatives.
AoC simply was not done when the game launched. Blizzard on the other hand has done a tremendous job in both quality of content as well smooth releases. Blizzard has done very well in "waiting until the game is done". I think WoW will remain the premier MMO for awhile. While I have started playing AoC again and having a good time (since AoC fixed most issues), even I know that WoW is still a superb game. I simply do not see ending my WoW subscription anytime soon (besides I want my violet proto-drake).
I pretty much agree with the majority here. I've tried AoC, WAR, Tabula Rasa, LOTRO, hell even other older mmos, and nothing has kept my attention like wow has,(And with this new expac coming out, I'm sure I'll play wow for even longer.) and all of it has to do with the amount of work that blizzard put into Wow.
I want to try other MMO's, but at this point, I'm not even going to waste my money on them. I've spent way too much money on games that I've never played. 50 dollars here and there +15 for monthly fees builds up.
As far as I'm concerned, Aion, Champions, or whatever other new MMO that comes out better have a damn good free trial, or I'm not going to even bother with them.
The only things that I see tearing me away from wow are either Diablo 3 or Blizzard's new MMO.
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YA FFXI has no polish?FFXI does not copy EQ,like Blizzard did.
FFXI has tons more and different mechanics than WOW.The COMBAT system blows the door off of wow.FFX Iis designed to around team work,you can't take a cheap solo effort like WOW and have good group play.This is why WOW has no polish they instead chose to move the group play into instances ,lol,not much skill in pulling that off,i could do that myself with no team behind me,no large payroll.
FFXXI has Besieged,the mobs attack the main city,you have to defend it and keep them from capturing valuable NPC.They have cool mechanics like SATA.You utilize TP,WOW wouldn't know what that is,it wasn't in EQ to copy.The game has a translator,hmm another innovation,wow couldn't copy from EQ.How do WOW players communicate with foreign languages?oh wait they don't they play solo<<sad ,join 11 million subscribers to play solo.
No cheap freebie XP in FFXI,everything is earned.Why? because it is about the sense of accomplishment,it is not about bragging about how fast you can level to end game.You play FFXI for the WHOLE game level 1>75.
You have to tame pets [bst class],i mean lol at these games that magically spawn a pet.How about the unique Blue Mage class,you learn all of your abilities from mobs in the game,you are not just handed them for speed leveling.
The ONLY thing WOW and FFXI have in common is low end tech and graphics.Big difference is FFXI was designed for console,the game had to meet it's demands.Blizzard spent a ton more money on WOW and delivered the same low end quality,you know why?because the Warcraft engine was cheap and free.
Here is the best part of FFXI,SUB-CLASS system,this alone puts the game far ahead of the rest for innovation and design,because not only was it a unique design,but they made it work to perfection.The whole game works in sync totally for group play,the design never fails at any point of the game.Yet the game still allows the BST,to solo in the game.Oh and in FFXI you get to play all the jobs on the same player,so yo uhave the ability and sense of accomplishment in building up all your skills for each weapon,and having a HUGE array of versatility to play your player,something even these so called skill point games cannot pull off.
A spell and ability system with tons of versatility no overlapping spells and abilities.A great design is the avatars and the Summoner class/job tons of varying utility spells/abilities.The Dragoon class has the pet dragon,a cool design for that class.The way you setup your main player ,determines how our dragon ends up,it can be a dmg dealer or a healer or a combo.
Honestly ,FFXI was so magical and amazing,i find it hard to believe Square Enix can ever pull off the same quality again.Who knows they have FFXIV coming out and the yare one amazing developer,Blizzard would be just served to start copying ideas from them,if they have run out of EQ ideas to copy.I 100% honestly believe Blizzard could not copy FFXI and pull it off,it is too complicated a system,especially designed around group play and not solo,any noob developer can pull off solo play.
The RDM class,need i say more,often times i say it is an overpowering class,but not in the noob sense,only because it has too many mechanics,that other jobs do not get.Using extreme caution and smarts a RDM can actually take on foes a whole group or several players cannot.It basically takes a lot of skill to pull it off,but it gives the player a sense of accomplishment.
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LOL! let it out, its ok. ./pat
Some of you guys are just so intense when it comes to these games. Sorry for me FFXI looks like hell and I can't stand the combat and needing a group for everything. I like grouping but I also enjoy a nice couple hour solo session as well.
Like I said we haven't seen a good MMO in 5+ years, how old is FF? 6-7 years old?
I'm glad you got a mmo that makes you feel like you achieved something LOL!
Wanna know what I achieve playing WoW? fun.
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Ya i know i have heard the VAGUE "FUN" statement before,that is why wow players race to end game,because the game was so fun right?
It's ok,there is never any comeback from WOW because honestly it cannot tie FFXI's shoelaces.So you know i touched on your SOLO aspect ,i can fully understand it,but that is why in FFXI you can play EVERYTHING on the same player.You want to solo? go out and earn that BST job and use that.Heck you can even solo at times on Dragoon or Summoner,the choice is there my friend the game has no limitations as many like to think.It is just up to the player to have to think for once,there is no cookie cutter game in FFXi.
These 3 jobs CAN solo,but you know what they all take a LOT of skill to master depending on what you fight, each has its own role,it's own mechanics to master,neither of the 3 are remotely close in mechanics,so tons of versatility for players,lots of new challenges.
FFX I is such an amazing in depth game,the thought process that must have went into every aspect is mind boggling,that is why my posts can be so long,it is not an easy game to describe.In FFXI you NEVER stop learning,there is a new mechanic or something new to learn through out the game.
Oh i didn't even mention you can join NPC's in battle out in the field to battle the BEASTMEN and yes you get xp.
ok i quit,post too long again ,there is just too much unique stuff in FFXI yo uneed a book t owrite it all down.Moblin maze mongers/Salvage/Sky/SEA/Assault/outpost fights, gear switching during combat, ok i stop now lmao.
UMM BTW you people were saying there is no game like WOW out there?actually many are LIKE WOW ,except one >>FFXI stands alone.Who knows maybe Square will amaze again with FFXIV,i am however a little skeptical this time around.
Never forget 3 mile Island and never trust a government official or company spokesman.
LOL! let it out, its ok. ./pat
Some of you guys are just so intense when it comes to these games. Sorry for me FFXI looks like hell and I can't stand the combat and needing a group for everything. I like grouping but I also enjoy a nice couple hour solo session as well.
Like I said we haven't seen a good MMO in 5+ years, how old is FF? 6-7 years old?
I'm glad you got a mmo that makes you feel like you achieved something LOL!
Wanna know what I achieve playing WoW? fun.
The best part for FFXI for me was it never felt like a grind, there was so many things you can do and have fun. every class wa just.. completly different. they all had entirely different mechanics, just running to a dungeon was a sense of accomplishment.
game was just pure fun.
anyways, other than FFXI and WoW i cannot play ANY other mmo anymore, they lack so many things i just want to hurl.
I loved WoW at first, but with the expansions especially flying mounts and with new contents making other places a ghost town.. it lost its touch, this expansion though seems like a the perfect path they should have gone before.. i feel they are making the right move, hopefully. This entire expansions seems really more based to get all the people who quit from around BC era to come back, because it gave that vibe the game once had before it got scattered to a ghost.
When I stopped WOW around 2 years ago, I was happy and ready to try new mmos and find games with better graphics and realistic characters, and different gameplay
2 years later, the only MMO that I find as satisfying as WOW were Guild Wars and Requiem Bloodymare, the rest have been disappointing for me and I literally have downloaded most games from the list and tried them out then delete them and on and on...I have downloaded Perfect World probably 20 times in the last 2 years...as funny as that sounds, I just love playing as a wolf...but I hate the gameplay in Perfect World...
HUH OH!!! Now WOW has a "wolf" like character...now nothings gonna stop me from playing WOW forever!!! =p
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First off don't insult me, I do not rush to endgame and I'm not a stupid idiot that doesn't like to think. These are video games yet you so called "Hardcore" gamers seem to think WoW players are inferior as human beings.
FFXI is not a hard game at all, its a seriously niche game and in all honesty has nothing on WoW. WoW gives me everything. great classes to play, solo ability, grouping, pvp, Pve dungeons and raids, crafting and a multiple of roles with one character if I choose.
You're not smarter than anyone for playing a video game, people like different games. I could be a god damn scientist and you guys would still label me as mentally challenged since I like playing WoW.
My whole post is about not having any new mmos to play, last time I checked FFXI was an old game. I said all mmos that came out under 5 years ago are nothing but Bad copies of WoW/EQ. FF doesn't fall under this category.
while i'm on the subject of FFXI, Ill tell you how I really feel about FFXI and why its a near failure when it comes to sub numbers and profits compared to WoW. Final Fantasy is limited in its scope for the player all the game offers is a group centric world with raids at the end. It's lame. As a wow player you will have to bring more than that to the table.
Struggling to find a group 24/7 and grinding a year and a day to level isn't fun. It's Work and the model FF uses is old and tired. Enjoy FF while it lasts because FFXIV will be very similar to WoW.
I also think is funny that you think FF combat is better than WoW. it's like watching paint dry and completely boring to anyone that tries the game with the exception of 500k fanbois/girls.
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I never really liked wow but i think it's the second best mmorpg ever made to me Anarchy online was the best.
But ferentus would of had Wow spot in second if it was still around.
I think they don't put enough into mmorpg's they always feel to simplistic or they are too much of a grind or the classes are crap or they focus to much on pvp to me.
Wow is an ok game because alot of the classes actually feel like they have a purpose to me, they are built to work with a group and can also solo and it feel right, some games the group play with a class just doesn't feel right for me like rappelz, i liked playing healer in AO and wow but in rappelz the mp issues and needing a second healer made me hate the class.
Not to mention rappelz grind and lack of groups. which is also a problem with some games, finding groups.
but i'll say the number one problem is the classes for me, if i like my classes i keep playign the game till i can't stand it anymore.
Usually though i try an mmo and since i've already played ao for 4 years and tried a lot of other mmo's i get bored right away with doing the same crap i've done in other games and have to push myself to level so i can't get higher to get a good sense of the class but some times they don't want you to be able to level fast so you can get to the point to see how your class would feel once it starts getting more spells/powers/abilities it's just a slow grind and by the time i get once class to a point where i feel like ok i hate this class i don't feel like going through it again for whatever reason. So some games i don't give a fair shake but my assumption that the rest of the classes and later content would suck i think is usually correct.
Wow kinda has that problem too though but it's not that bad getting new spells as you level is kinda slow and for me i used lvl 20 for the point in wow where i decided if i liked a class except for druid and priest i waited till 35.
Maybe they need to make a seperate server for these games for new players to test with 2-3x xp atleast to level faster to see if they like a game. Idk it's just kinda hard to deal with the grind when they don't give you much to take your mind off the grind.
Ao i enjoyed most "classes" from the start didn't feel like i was too weak for lacking spells and i for some reason hardly felt like i was grinding till high up in the levels and when you have 200+ levels you can let the first 100 or so feel kinda fast.
It's the f2p games tho that i feel the leveling is made to be slow. p2p the classes just suck to me like coh/mxo/swg nge/aoc/champions online.
Eq'2 i don't know why but i didn't like it and lotro too.
Maybe they need to take into accoutn soem peopel have been playing mmorpg's since and before wow came out or something i don't even know starting to hate mmorpg's
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I kinda loled at the FF fanboy. Just kind of...came out of no where with his wall of text.
Groovy.
I've left WoW and find most games lacking...except a good console or tactical RPG. I'm just waiting it out till the new mmos & blizzard titles come out
Good chance to beta the onslaught of games and see what type of competition is in development (and the occasional bug to help). Borderlands needs to come out sooner...don't know if I can make it till next year's lineup.
First off don't insult me, I do not rush to endgame and I'm not a stupid idiot that doesn't like to think. These are video games yet you so called "Hardcore" gamers seem to think WoW players are inferior as human beings.
FFXI is not a hard game at all, its a seriously niche game and in all honesty has nothing on WoW. WoW gives me everything. great classes to play, solo ability, grouping, pvp, Pve dungeons and raids, crafting and a multiple of roles with one character if I choose.
You're not smarter than anyone for playing a video game, people like different games. I could be a god damn scientist and you guys would still label me as mentally challenged since I like playing WoW.
My whole post is about not having any new mmos to play, last time I checked FFXI was an old game. I said all mmos that came out under 5 years ago are nothing but Bad copies of WoW/EQ. FF doesn't fall under this category.
while i'm on the subject of FFXI, Ill tell you how I really feel about FFXI and why its a near failure when it comes to sub numbers and profits compared to WoW. Final Fantasy is limited in its scope for the player all the game offers is a group centric world with raids at the end. It's lame. As a wow player you will have to bring more than that to the table.
Struggling to find a group 24/7 and grinding a year and a day to level isn't fun. It's Work and the model FF uses is old and tired. Enjoy FF while it lasts because FFXIV will be very similar to WoW.
I also think is funny that you think FF combat is better than WoW. it's like watching paint dry and completely boring to anyone that tries the game with the exception of 500k fanbois/girls.
@ Remii718
Its all subjective opinions on if you thing WoW's Combat/Graphics and everything else is better. Just like how me and Wizardy think FFXI is better than WoW. I don't look down on people who play WoW I played it but it was just so boring IMO. I guess I enjoy grinding mobs and talking to people in my group and going on adventures compared to solo quest grinding and running through dungeons at lightning speed.
Bringing up the whole sub thing is just retarded because before WoW 500k subs was quite a good number and WoW just released the right game at the right time. No other game not even Blizzards next MMO will ever be as successful as WoW was IMO. So saying that FFXI is a near failure is just stupid its held those 500k subs for a long time and it being a what 7 year old game Id say thats pretty damn good especially it being a niche game because I guess a lot of people don't like the asian grind.
The only thing that FFXIV that will be similar to WoW is that it will be a bit more casual friendly, SE is actually a company that likes to innovate and make games that are different rather than just take all the successful things out of MMO's and put them all together. I have never played a game that has ever felt like Ive played it before, unlike when I played WoW and pretty much every game post wow its felt like I was playing the same game but with different graphics and story. If you would just looked up a bit of info about FFXIV youd know that its going to be nothing like WoW. No levels for one, changing jobs on the fly depending what weapon you use are just a few cool things that FFXIV has to offer.
ITs cool that you like WoW but don't bash other games because you don't like them. WoW is the game for you and a ton of other people that play it, but its not the best for everyone. Im sorry I just get tired of everyone saying WoW is the only game worth playing and preaching this like its the holy word of God almighty.
I just can't help to dislike things that are popular because we all know what happens to things that do get popular. Just look at a few bands, Green Day and Blink 182. Both were kick ass Pop-Punk bands before they got popular, then after they did there music started to change. You can say that maybe it changed because they changed,and maybe they did. But then you look at a band NOFX that has been playing just about as long and their music still sounds pretty much the same as it did almost 20 years ago. Now IMHO the record companies pushed Green Day and Blink to make songs that were more popular and they had to grind out the hits to make the money.
The same thing goes for MMO"s once they start getting popular they start putting out content for the Popular crowd and that stuff just don't appeal to me. I like grouping up for hours on end, I like FFXI and every part of it. We are not fanboys because we play the game, we play the game because we enjoy it more than anything else. If we all liked the same thing life would be hella boring, this is why I like things that are different than the IN crowed, I don't want to be like everyone else like the things that everyone else does.
Actually I found out the opposite. Too bad Blizz couldn't give more variety to characters so every other person doesn't look like a clone.
First off don't insult me, I do not rush to endgame and I'm not a stupid idiot that doesn't like to think. These are video games yet you so called "Hardcore" gamers seem to think WoW players are inferior as human beings.
FFXI is not a hard game at all, its a seriously niche game and in all honesty has nothing on WoW. WoW gives me everything. great classes to play, solo ability, grouping, pvp, Pve dungeons and raids, crafting and a multiple of roles with one character if I choose.
You're not smarter than anyone for playing a video game, people like different games. I could be a god damn scientist and you guys would still label me as mentally challenged since I like playing WoW.
My whole post is about not having any new mmos to play, last time I checked FFXI was an old game. I said all mmos that came out under 5 years ago are nothing but Bad copies of WoW/EQ. FF doesn't fall under this category.
while i'm on the subject of FFXI, Ill tell you how I really feel about FFXI and why its a near failure when it comes to sub numbers and profits compared to WoW. Final Fantasy is limited in its scope for the player all the game offers is a group centric world with raids at the end. It's lame. As a wow player you will have to bring more than that to the table.
Struggling to find a group 24/7 and grinding a year and a day to level isn't fun. It's Work and the model FF uses is old and tired. Enjoy FF while it lasts because FFXIV will be very similar to WoW.
I also think is funny that you think FF combat is better than WoW. it's like watching paint dry and completely boring to anyone that tries the game with the exception of 500k fanbois/girls.
@ Remii718
Its all subjective opinions on if you thing WoW's Combat/Graphics and everything else is better. Just like how me and Wizardy think FFXI is better than WoW. I don't look down on people who play WoW I played it but it was just so boring IMO. I guess I enjoy grinding mobs and talking to people in my group and going on adventures compared to solo quest grinding and running through dungeons at lightning speed.
Bringing up the whole sub thing is just retarded because before WoW 500k subs was quite a good number and WoW just released the right game at the right time. No other game not even Blizzards next MMO will ever be as successful as WoW was IMO. So saying that FFXI is a near failure is just stupid its held those 500k subs for a long time and it being a what 7 year old game Id say thats pretty damn good especially it being a niche game because I guess a lot of people don't like the asian grind.
The only thing that FFXIV that will be similar to WoW is that it will be a bit more casual friendly, SE is actually a company that likes to innovate and make games that are different rather than just take all the successful things out of MMO's and put them all together. I have never played a game that has ever felt like Ive played it before, unlike when I played WoW and pretty much every game post wow its felt like I was playing the same game but with different graphics and story. If you would just looked up a bit of info about FFXIV youd know that its going to be nothing like WoW. No levels for one, changing jobs on the fly depending what weapon you use are just a few cool things that FFXIV has to offer.
ITs cool that you like WoW but don't bash other games because you don't like them. WoW is the game for you and a ton of other people that play it, but its not the best for everyone. Im sorry I just get tired of everyone saying WoW is the only game worth playing and preaching this like its the holy word of God almighty.
I just can't help to dislike things that are popular because we all know what happens to things that do get popular. Just look at a few bands, Green Day and Blink 182. Both were kick ass Pop-Punk bands before they got popular, then after they did there music started to change. You can say that maybe it changed because they changed,and maybe they did. But then you look at a band NOFX that has been playing just about as long and their music still sounds pretty much the same as it did almost 20 years ago. Now IMHO the record companies pushed Green Day and Blink to make songs that were more popular and they had to grind out the hits to make the money.
The same thing goes for MMO"s once they start getting popular they start putting out content for the Popular crowd and that stuff just don't appeal to me. I like grouping up for hours on end, I like FFXI and every part of it. We are not fanboys because we play the game, we play the game because we enjoy it more than anything else. If we all liked the same thing life would be hella boring, this is why I like things that are different than the IN crowed, I don't want to be like everyone else like the things that everyone else does.
When I say like WoW I mean accessible something FFXI isn't atm. ALso my OP wasn't even directed at a game like FFXI since it's considered one of the better old mmos like DAoC and AO. Wizardry seems not to speak english as his main language so he probably had no idea what the hell I was talking about, which is fine. I just got somewhat offended that he told me I don't like to think so I wouldn't play FF.
As a player I'm all about accessibility, Unlike our college days I can no longer burn the midnight oil playing MMOs for 40-50 hours a week a game like FF requires a massive time commitment one I simply cannot give.
Playing: WoW, EvE
Interested in: TOR, ER, GW2, WoD, Dust514
I agree where there are a few good games most of them smell of asian mmo influence. I played MU after I was done with Ultima online. And no matter how good the game is if it caters to an Asian market it will have a few key elements. One of those elements is having wings, a free roaming no loot dropping pvp system, outrageous broken markets, kill stealing and town camping item sellers since they refuse to put an AH of any sort in their games. On the other hand it is NC soft so maybe it's better, but I see wings and Animation Goku hair I usually run for the hills. There are not enough Western mmorpgs right now not really mmorpgs.
Like I said we haven't seen a good MMO in 5+ years, how old is FF? 6-7 years old?
I can name three off the top of my head. Ryzom, DaoC & Eve Online. I can also give an honorable mention to Anarchy Online, although Funcom dropped the ball on keeping it up to date with the MMO market. It still has much more depth, better crafting & superior PvP than WoW.
AoC was a failed launch (not surprising from Funcom) but it has been improved & polished to a level where it is a damn good game with strong PvP. Warhammer was botched by Mythic but still has some of the best mass PvP in the MMO market. I don't have much hope for that game, but you never know, and some still like it.
You also could have started playing Aion beta 2 months ago. It's avery good game, a step up from WoW but similiar in nature outside the strong PvP focus.
It does not sound like you tried many other MMOs but are just assuming.
Playing: EvE, Warhammer free unlimited trial, Allods Online
Played: Anarchy Online, WoW, Warhammer, AoC, Ryzom. Aion
Strongly Recommend: Ryzom, EvE, Allods Online
I know FFXI is a good game but I find it interesting how you completely omitted the huge problem of gil farmers in FFXI which literally crippled the game. Also, it is not at all newbie friendly since you have to group to make any progress and the established playerbase is not friendly at all. Those two issues are huge turn offs.
Playing: EvE, Warhammer free unlimited trial, Allods Online
Played: Anarchy Online, WoW, Warhammer, AoC, Ryzom. Aion
Strongly Recommend: Ryzom, EvE, Allods Online
Like I said we haven't seen a good MMO in 5+ years, how old is FF? 6-7 years old?
I can name three off the top of my head. Ryzom, DaoC & Eve Online. I can also give an honorable mention to Anarchy Online, although Funcom dropped the ball on keeping it up to date with the MMO market. It still has much more depth, better crafting & superior PvP than WoW.
AoC was a failed launch (not surprising from Funcom) but it has been improved & polished to a level where it is a damn good game with strong PvP. Warhammer was botched by Mythic but still has some of the best mass PvP in the MMO market. I don't have much hope for that game, but you never know, and some still like it.
You also could have started playing Aion beta 2 months ago. It's avery good game, a step up from WoW but similiar in nature outside the strong PvP focus.
It does not sound like you tried many other MMOs but are just assuming.
DAoC Has been out for 7+ years, EvE for 6+, AO for 8+ and Ryzom is coming up on 5 years. If it means anything I would also like to note in my sig that all of those games are in my Top 10 of all time lol.
I'm talking about Newish games. While you can technically put ryzom in the "under 5 years category" that game has so few players atm that I have a hard time enjoying myself.
Where are the New games? Lotro, AOC, WAR, TR, VG were all major let downs.
Also i've played every game on my lists for atleast three months either in Beta or right after release, so yes I've played the games I'm targetting.
As for Aion it's still under review, once I get more playtime with it I'll keep away from "Is Aion good" topics.
Playing: WoW, EvE
Interested in: TOR, ER, GW2, WoD, Dust514
DAoC Has been out for 7+ years, EvE for 6+, AO for 8+ and Ryzom is coming up on 5 years. If it means anything I would also like to note in my sig that all of those games are in my Top 10 of all time lol.
I'm talking about Newish games. While you can technically put ryzom in the "under 5 years category" that game has so few players atm that I have a hard time enjoying myself.
Where are the New games? Lotro, AOC, WAR, TR, VG were all major let downs.
Also i've played every game on my lists for atleast three months either in Beta or right after release, so yes I've played the games I'm targetting.
As for Aion it's still under review, once I get more playtime with it I'll keep away from "Is Aion good" topics.
Just as if a Korean copycat product will;ever have an impact on the development of this industry.
Add it to the long list above.
At least Lotro had its famous Lore, War had its famous WH TT origines, AoC the huge fans of Conan, TR had THE Lord British and VG had the hype....
Aion... has translated Korean text boxes and people with ... folded wings on their backs...
WOW.
You'd better wait for SW or ST before dropping money on the copies.
Zorn, I usually agree with most of your points, but.....talking about folded wings like it's the goofiest thing ever I kind of lose ya there man. I mean we are wow players and we have: gnomes (freaking gnomes man), dwarves on motorcycles (wtf), soon to have goblins. WoW has it share of goofy lore....
do you really think its the developers?
the way i see it, to make an MMO you need years of "developing" so developers need to get paid and they need tools and they need desks and computers and etc.....
where are the developers going to get all that moneyz?
INVESTORS!!! (who happen to be businessmen/woman who think money money money)
investors: here is x amount of money to start your project.
developers: ok it will take 5 years to make
investors: i want to see returns in 3
developers: WTF? 3 years that not possi...
investors: ok ill take my moneyz elsewhere
developers (who needs to eat): ok ok ill do my best
investors: ok now world of warcraft has 11 bazillion subscribers, what they are doing must be good. so you do the same thing
developers: ok but i had a new idea instead of (insert the most amazing MMO concept you can think of)
investor: hmmm are you sure we will have 11 bazillion subs?
developers: well i dont know, maybe?
investors: refused... WoW has 11 bazillions, do what they do, and you have 2 years
developers: you said 3!
investors: 2 years or i take my moneyz elsewhere
developers: k fine... (sigh)
and thats how bad incomplete poop games are born these days