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Why do people hate on other's "success"?
Rikimaru_X
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Emerging from many cities and many countries are successful people. Men & women from many backgrounds. Movie stars, singers, dancers, entertainers, and actors. Take music, even though one can be so successful such as 50 Cent (all over the world), there are still people sit in that corner of judging his success based on his music is crap (or saying all he is worth is 50 Cents), yet he is worth way over 50 million. Hell if I was a ballin singer, I'd make my own video game too. Sure all of us gamers would.
Now it's ok if you just don't like them, the music, or the fame/problems they attract, but when your judging the actual fame/worth of someone, why is it the success of a that people don't like? Is it envy? I just find many people try to explain and make up a general reason to not like a person with success, yet it's not even valid to the point they are making. I think this method is much more easier in politics though. There are many likes and dislikes about people in that field. I know one that hates Bill Gates. His success was his OS (Apple had to do a little with that too), but his point wasn't valid and I would also feel that the burning hate would make him move to a MAC or something, but didn't.
So I wanted to discuss this. I'm sure many of you been in these sort of conversations. What is the source to people hating on one's success?
-In memory of Laura "Taera" Genender. Passed away on Aug/13/08-
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It is really simple really, when faced with someone who is better than you, people have two options 1) realize that they need to grow and thus want to become that person in some way and better themselves thus advance. or 2) cut the other person down so they feel better and can't face the fact that it is them with the problem. Its too much pain for them and much easier to do than do the first item.
It doesn't matter what you do, business, be a rock star, rapper, poet, employee its all the same. Instead of congratulating the person for putting in that extra effort and preforming well like they should. Like if you are and employee and you outpreform the others say in sales, then the others will more than likely start to hate you because they are envious/jealous/ want to be like you and they know they are not. But what they should do is learn from this person and find out what they do and copy it, then everybody gets better. But who the hell am I kidding, only the top 1% of the worlds population do this and guess what They ARE THE SUCCESSFUL, THE POWERFUL, THE RICH, THE ONES PEOPLE WANT TO BE.
Food for thought.
Becuase alot of celebs and specially singers are not self made people. They have handlers and professionals manage every aspect of thier career and art. They even tell them how to dress sometimes. Britney would be some backwood louisianna babymomma without Jive records and disney. From the beginning she was groomed and proomed to be a pop star. The handlers coached her on singing, the stylists on clothes, the producers on the music, and auto-tune for the voice.
No pop star is self made these days. It's all smoke, mirrors, and auto-tune and photoshop.
If these singers really produced thier own music, did thier own graphics for album covers, stylised themselves, etc then I would have more respect for them. But when you need a staff of 50+ people to "make it happen" then it's barely your work and most of the credit deserves to go to the production and people who actually do the work
it should say: "Max Martin and co. feat: Britney Spears"
This is why people "hate" on thier success becuase they know that most of the work is not done by the artist, but by handlers and the record companies. Thye only lend thier vocal "support" to someone else's creative project. This is also a case becuase the singers rarely write thier own songs.
They know the whole thing is fakery.
I think you hit it spot on. Its envy.
It takes a ballsy person to make huge gambles that make most people successful. From the outside, these people make it look easy or its assumed success is handed to them and to be honest most of the time the rich do capitalize on something thats blatantly obvious. To the point that its almost insulting to some people, which fuels the hatred. However, it takes the balls/courage to make that leap to become successful. Most folks just lack the backbone and sit in the passenger seat criticizing those who earn success.
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Envy is indeed one of the seven deadly sins. It's also one of the feelings I hate and avoid.
I am simply myself, no more and no less. And I only want to be free.
Also maybe that people feel that the people who are famous do not have the talent to deserve the fame they have. So you have hacks that recieve lots of money and prestige while actually talented people are largely put on the back burner.
Don't you worry little buddy. You're dealing with a man of honor. However, honor requires a higher percentage of profit
As far as the entairtainment industry goes I don't believe it's envy. Since marketing can guarantee that even a mediocre artist can have good sales. So I believe the "hate" there has more to do with fans and non fans.
As for the rest. from personal experience I have noticed that usually people "hate" successful ones when they feel that this success was inherited rather than earned. For example, one of my previous bosses got the hotels he manages from his father. Even though he has done a very good job managing them and even opening a new one, while treating his employees very well, a lot of people still speak low of him because of the fact that his hotels were given to him.
I believe up to a point success and riches are a provocation by themselves so it's normal that some people will "hate" on those that have that. But success is something that is personally defined, hence the people that have enough time for hate should really get a life and focus on achieving their own version of success.
A friend is not him who provides support during your failures.A friend is the one that cheers you during your successes.
because drama sells. and its human nature to become quite envious of somebody's success
A lot of people hate anyone they don't know.
Everyone they don't know.
Whenthey drive their cars the guy in front is a c*nt.
When they watch Football the ref is a c*nt.
When they walk down the street the guy in pink shirt is a f*g.
Anyone who stands out just draws their fire.
Successful people are noteworthy.
They don't hate them for any other reason than they are ugly minded people.
I used to think it was just jealousy. That people singled out successful people because they felt they had been cheated of the same success by them.
But I have come to think there is a certain type of person, who just hates because they are miserable. Loveless.
So if you are that guy who thinks what a twat the other driver in his car is, or how rich people suck, or poor people or some freaky looking guy on the street, I pity you. I really do. Life is a beautiful thing.
Well I could make judgements about your whole "life is a beautiful thing" being a load of crap and how empty speaches like that are the type of thing that earns the ire of "ugly" minded people, but I guess I am just being miserable.
I'll go QQ now, I'm so emo :P
Don't you worry little buddy. You're dealing with a man of honor. However, honor requires a higher percentage of profit
"Ire" is the default setting of some people.
Whatever I say and do I'm going to earn it. It goes with the territory.
The problem is that a lot of people with "fame" don't deserve the ridiculous sums of money they get: From the mom who had 8 mentally challenged babies for profit to the popular rap artist who acts like human trash, the entertainment industry is riddled with people who do not contribute anything to society, yet make millions of dollars.
"Success" by itself is rather subjective: A scientist who never even wins a Nobel Prize still contributes more than any rap artist, or movie star who could be replaced by millions of other people; in fact some of the most mundane jobs are actually essential, yet people could live their entire lives without music, or movies...
Financial wealth is not my measure of success, neither is fame: It's how much you contribute to the field of thought and society as a whole and I don't see how anybody could hate the people who REALLY make a difference.
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And yet they do.
There is a human need to hate.
To be anti.
Let's all hate Paris Hilton.
Why? no reason. No one has ever met her, she hasn't done anything to hurt anyone who hates her.
People just hate her because they like to have stuff to hate. Things to be against.
I hate politicians. I don't know many. I never speak to them. I just hate them. We all do it.
Now Moo, of course a scientist would contribute more, but you can't sit and compare Entertainers to Scientist. Being that the scientist may feel that a certain entertainer may give them motivation to do their job and make them relax. So in a way, yes they can contribute. I will say this though, I do understand where your coming from that many people don't deserve it, but the world wouldn't give them this sum of money if they wasn't talented....now that octo-mom...that is a different catagory in my opinion. There are clear reason to hate on that one.
-In memory of Laura "Taera" Genender. Passed away on Aug/13/08-
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RISING DRAGOON ~AION US ONLINE LEGION for Elyos
This isn't limited to the entertainment industry or even to extremely successful people. It happens in every walk of life. I've seen coworkers hate someone just because the boss praised them. I have a relative who resents every tiny bit of good I have in my life. They can't stand it that I have good kids while theirs are punks so they magnify every mistake my kids make trying to make them look as bad as their own kids.
Why? Who knows.
People tend to want more stuff. i think it's innate nature of humans to want more or to be greedy. no one gets satisfied. so when other people achieve success. people get jelous. i think it;s more of jelousy than hating on their success
Sometimes it's just a case where the person exploits their success to the point that the success they gained by their ability is deminished by it. If you gain success as a dancer you should not expect people to be as enthusiastic about your performance in another field. People are jugded by their talent and all too often you see gifted people in one area branch out into areas where they have no business.
Sometimes the successful person is taking credit for another person's hard work.
Sometimes the successful person expects to be treated better due to their success and goes to such an extreme that they attempt to diminish another person's basic human rights.
In relation to the above, a person's success should be celebrated by those that love them, but we should not expect all people to be eager in celebrating a person's success.
Again, in relation to the above, sometimes it's not the successful person themselves but their fans that are in need of a reality check. Just because an actor's character saved the world in a movie doesn't mean we should pretend that the actor saved the world in real life.
Sometimes a person is paraded infront of the public eye that is found to have no real success behind them to garner the position that they are in.
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Envy, it's natural.
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Interesting this topic came up. I've had a similar experience recently except it didn't really have anything to do with succes, rathermore just being good at something, something as trivial as gaming of all things.
Lately I've been playing CSS gun game, a simple mod of the actual game. I enjoy these quite a bit and as a result I am admittedly pretty good at them. However because I am good at them I've been heckled and abused in about half the games I play. I'm not arrogant, I don't rub anything in peoples faces, I just play and enjoy myself. Today one guy in particular, a loudmouth abused me non-stop for the entire match, he ended up winning then he said something quite profound - 'I thought you were the best' and he snickers.
I think it's crazy how stuff like this appears in something as simple as gaming.
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I find it quite funny how many people say it's envy.
I have news for those people: your parents lied when they told you the other kids were picking on you because they were jealous.
The reason why they "hate" on these people is because they feel many (most) artists don't deserve the huge amount of money they get.
50 cent, a rapper who raps about "bitches, candy shops and ghetto" makes millions and millions of dollars. Meanwhile a doctor, who saves lives and has to work at any given time, even if it's 3 am in the night, makes nowhere near that amount of money.
Music entertainers contribute the least to society yet make the most amount of money. There is no justice in that.
My aunt works for the postal service. She delivers numerous amounts of "financial mail" to both the very rich and very, very poor.
A sharp women, maybe not an expert on everything but I believe her when she says that the greediest, evilest, most money lusting people in the world are the ones who sit back and refuse to go after it themselves yet demand, demand, demand, demand, demand, demand.
There's a Filipino proverb that goes, "A tree that bears fruit is often hurled at."
It means that people who succeed are subject of jealousy and injury.
en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Filipino_proverbs
I am simply myself, no more and no less. And I only want to be free.
It's called capitalism, deal with it.
Do I think 50 cent is a bit of a douche and dislike his music? Yes
Do I hate or evny him for making bucketloads of money off something which may seem pointless? No
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err, its the people that patronize 50 cent thats to blame cuz they enjoy it, naturally, 50 cent and other artists who invest in image instead of talent/skill continue to thrive... remember the saying "nice guys finish last"?
I think I saw a thread similar to this in the Pub recently... but it was about MMOs. It's amazing how the same thing shows up in different context.
There are many reasons why people hate on another's success. It could be envy, or it could be that the feel that the other person does not deserve it. However, what one must remember, is that people have different perceptions of success. What might be successful to one person might not be viewed as a success to another person. Hence, it would be inaccurate to say that a scientist is more successful than an entertainer, and vice versa.
Moreover, there's this book that my mother is reading that states that successful person are presented with opportunities, and they are successful because they seized it. I can't remember the name of the book, but if I do remember, I'll edit this post and add it in. I find that yes, this does actually make sense. More often than not, most successful people can look back on a time and say "Yes, I am successful because so and so presented this opportunity to me..."
Hence, instead of feeling resentful about how other people are successful, we should look for opportunities to make ourselves successful as well.
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