I can only speak for myself but I wanted something different to play.
I've already played MMOs for near 12+ years, I've done the themepark mmos to death.
When I log into a game it doesn't matter if my character looks ultra realistic or looks like something off of cartoon network.
If the game is a quest stacker leading me from zone to zone until I reach some endgame raiding meta game It bores me to tears.
I open that quest log with 15-20+ quests and just feel like i've done it all before.
Around two years ago I left WoW and found Eve Online. This game didn't have a generic Interface, didn't have that stupid minimap in the upper right corner and didn't even have walking avatars. I was a freaking spaceship in a universe that wanted to blow me to bits 23/7. It felt new and I've been playing ever since.
That's what I needed at the time, I needed a game that was so radically different that I wasn't reminded of games like WoW or EQ.
I think alot of the WoW refugees are looking for a similar experience, something that wont make them think they've done all of this before.
Now to the Aion fans do you really think Aion gives them that feeling of something totally new and different?
I don't think Aion will give them the feeling like they are playing a game that reinvented the wheel. No. but I don't think thats something WoW players are looking for. You have been playing these games for 12+ years now, but how many WoW players have played that long? Not that many i presume.
If WoW players were really looking for something totally different, why didn't they move to games like EVE, Auto Assault, Tabula Rasa or City of Heroes? 2 out of the 4 games I mentioned who dared to do something different are now gone. Jumpspace is also an upcomming game and look how little hype there is for it. It's nowhere near the hype Aion, Warhammer and Lotro have received and those are all traditional mmorpg games.
I'm thinking Final Fantasy XIV and SW:TOR will have something new for a chance. It has definitely been confirmed that Warhammer Online is a WoW Clone for sure. Many may not agree with me, it is true. AIon isn't a WoW clone at all, but you might be right, people aren't looking for Asian grinders either, we're looking for PvP which is what AIon has.
Second of all, The Secret World, I know made by the failed funcom, but still looks pretty interesting, otherwise, I'm not playing Aion for something new, I'm playing it for the innovative storyline and the engaging PvP.
I'm thinking Final Fantasy XIV and SW:TOR will have something new for a chance. It has definitely been confirmed that Warhammer Online is a WoW Clone for sure. Many may not agree with me, it is true. AIon isn't a WoW clone at all, but you might be right, people aren't looking for Asian grinders either, we're looking for PvP which is what AIon has. Second of all, The Secret World, I know made by the failed funcom, but still looks pretty interesting, otherwise, I'm not playing Aion for something new, I'm playing it for the innovative storyline and the engaging PvP.
LOL
Aion follows the WoW model more than Warhammer does.
I haven't followed any of the FF series, what does the next one offer that is new? GW 2 will introduce some new ideas as well.
The challenge for Aion, IMO, will be the people that play at the beginning, at least for NA and EU. Will it be the types that overwhelmed AoC and helped ruin it. Or will it get a population that helps build the game into something special.
True, it's up to NCSoft to create content and having a PvPvE environment that is fun and lasting, but it is also up to the population to help build the game and not tear it down.
metalhead980 I understand the way you feel as a lot of us feel the same way but some of us also will settle for a good alternative to what we are used to playing. You have to walk before you can "fly." A lot of us just want a good game besides wow, simple. If Aion is a good game, that alone is enough to meet a lot of people's expectations. The group of players that want the innovation and different perspective in video game development must wait for swtor or hope for developers to take bigger risks in the mmo department. That revolution in video gaming will take some time. A lot of players just want the game to be done right before it evolves.
It is an utter shame that wow is the only mmo to contend with. Right now Aion doesn't have to be great, just good. We can put Aion in the "good" category and hope for a great game in the future. Right now, other mmos just suck. Great graphics can not mask a bad game. From the majority of players here, Aion seems to be a good game. I'll leave wow for a while just to try something that is new and has lasting appeal.
I've given my hard criticism of Aion but faithful members here helped convince me. I spent hours reading more about Aion just because of this thread. After the game's release, we can bash it if it becomes an upset. I think most players here will admit that Aion is not innovative but that it is a great game none the less. If it's a good game, that's good enough for me. Anything besides wow is good enough to give a try. My opinion.
I can only speak for myself but I wanted something different to play.
I've already played MMOs for near 12+ years, I've done the themepark mmos to death.
When I log into a game it doesn't matter if my character looks ultra realistic or looks like something off of cartoon network.
If the game is a quest stacker leading me from zone to zone until I reach some endgame raiding meta game It bores me to tears.
I open that quest log with 15-20+ quests and just feel like i've done it all before.
Around two years ago I left WoW and found Eve Online. This game didn't have a generic Interface, didn't have that stupid minimap in the upper right corner and didn't even have walking avatars. I was a freaking spaceship in a universe that wanted to blow me to bits 23/7. It felt new and I've been playing ever since.
That's what I needed at the time, I needed a game that was so radically different that I wasn't reminded of games like WoW or EQ.
I think alot of the WoW refugees are looking for a similar experience, something that wont make them think they've done all of this before.
Now to the Aion fans do you really think Aion gives them that feeling of something totally new and different?
I don't think Aion will give them the feeling like they are playing a game that reinvented the wheel. No. but I don't think thats something WoW players are looking for. You have been playing these games for 12+ years now, but how many WoW players have played that long? Not that many i presume.
If WoW players were really looking for something totally different, why didn't they move to games like EVE, Auto Assault, Tabula Rasa or City of Heroes? 2 out of the 4 games I mentioned who dared to do something different are now gone. Jumpspace is also an upcomming game and look how little hype there is for it. It's nowhere near the hype Aion, Warhammer and Lotro have received and those are all traditional mmorpg games.
Read alot of the posts on these forums and you see a ton of players saying "i feel like i've done this before".
It seems to me that they want a new experience, maybe what those four games were offering didn't appeal to them. I got lucky with Eve. Maybe one day the bored Ex-WoW players will find that game.
I personally don't see the appeal of Aion with the exception of the normal honeymoon phase everyone goes through. Sure the graphics are kinda neat and the wings are a cool touch but really its just a quest stacker that leads you from zone to zone to a endgame where you grind sometype of point system for gear or titles.
People talk about the pvp but all im seeing is random portals that have already gotten boring and ffa zones.
Seriously am I the only one that played L2 and DAoC? we have already been given a much better pvp experience in other games.
I can't be the only person that thinks Aion is nothing new at all.
I can only speak for myself but I wanted something different to play.
I've already played MMOs for near 12+ years, I've done the themepark mmos to death.
When I log into a game it doesn't matter if my character looks ultra realistic or looks like something off of cartoon network.
If the game is a quest stacker leading me from zone to zone until I reach some endgame raiding meta game It bores me to tears.
I open that quest log with 15-20+ quests and just feel like i've done it all before.
Around two years ago I left WoW and found Eve Online. This game didn't have a generic Interface, didn't have that stupid minimap in the upper right corner and didn't even have walking avatars. I was a freaking spaceship in a universe that wanted to blow me to bits 23/7. It felt new and I've been playing ever since.
That's what I needed at the time, I needed a game that was so radically different that I wasn't reminded of games like WoW or EQ.
I think alot of the WoW refugees are looking for a similar experience, something that wont make them think they've done all of this before.
Now to the Aion fans do you really think Aion gives them that feeling of something totally new and different?
I don't think Aion will give them the feeling like they are playing a game that reinvented the wheel. No. but I don't think thats something WoW players are looking for. You have been playing these games for 12+ years now, but how many WoW players have played that long? Not that many i presume.
If WoW players were really looking for something totally different, why didn't they move to games like EVE, Auto Assault, Tabula Rasa or City of Heroes? 2 out of the 4 games I mentioned who dared to do something different are now gone. Jumpspace is also an upcomming game and look how little hype there is for it. It's nowhere near the hype Aion, Warhammer and Lotro have received and those are all traditional mmorpg games.
I'm thinking Final Fantasy XIV and SW:TOR will have something new for a chance. It has definitely been confirmed that Warhammer Online is a WoW Clone for sure. Many may not agree with me, it is true. AIon isn't a WoW clone at all, but you might be right, people aren't looking for Asian grinders either, we're looking for PvP which is what AIon has.
Second of all, The Secret World, I know made by the failed funcom, but still looks pretty interesting, otherwise, I'm not playing Aion for something new, I'm playing it for the innovative storyline and the engaging PvP.
I'm curious about Final Fantasy XIV. I don't know a lot about the game nor am I the biggest Final Fantasy XI fan but the idea of not using levels sounds quite interesting.
Stars Wars the Old republic i know little about. I have never cared much for Bioware games and I'm not a huge fan of Star Wars either.
I can only speak for myself but I wanted something different to play.
I've already played MMOs for near 12+ years, I've done the themepark mmos to death.
When I log into a game it doesn't matter if my character looks ultra realistic or looks like something off of cartoon network.
If the game is a quest stacker leading me from zone to zone until I reach some endgame raiding meta game It bores me to tears.
I open that quest log with 15-20+ quests and just feel like i've done it all before.
Around two years ago I left WoW and found Eve Online. This game didn't have a generic Interface, didn't have that stupid minimap in the upper right corner and didn't even have walking avatars. I was a freaking spaceship in a universe that wanted to blow me to bits 23/7. It felt new and I've been playing ever since.
That's what I needed at the time, I needed a game that was so radically different that I wasn't reminded of games like WoW or EQ.
I think alot of the WoW refugees are looking for a similar experience, something that wont make them think they've done all of this before.
Now to the Aion fans do you really think Aion gives them that feeling of something totally new and different?
I don't think Aion will give them the feeling like they are playing a game that reinvented the wheel. No. but I don't think thats something WoW players are looking for. You have been playing these games for 12+ years now, but how many WoW players have played that long? Not that many i presume.
If WoW players were really looking for something totally different, why didn't they move to games like EVE, Auto Assault, Tabula Rasa or City of Heroes? 2 out of the 4 games I mentioned who dared to do something different are now gone. Jumpspace is also an upcomming game and look how little hype there is for it. It's nowhere near the hype Aion, Warhammer and Lotro have received and those are all traditional mmorpg games.
Read alot of the posts on these forums and you see a ton of players saying "i feel like i've done this before".
It seems to me that they want a new experience, maybe what those four games were offering didn't appeal to them. I got lucky with Eve. Maybe one day the bored Ex-WoW players will find that game.
I personally don't see the appeal of Aion with the exception of the normal honeymoon phase everyone goes through. Sure the graphics are kinda neat and the wings are a cool touch but really its just a quest stacker that leads you from zone to zone to a endgame where you grind sometype of point system for gear or titles.
People talk about the pvp but all im seeing is random portals that have already gotten boring and ffa zones.
Seriously am I the only one that played L2 and DAoC? we have already been given a much better pvp experience in other games.
I can't be the only person that thinks Aion is nothing new at all.
metalhead980 I believe a LOT of us if not most of us want something new and different. We just want that new and different to be done right. I've given Eve and City of Heroes a chance. They were both ok but not good enough to be called "good." I need fun with my innovation.
metalhead980 I understand the way you feel as a lot of us feel the same way but some of us also will settle for a good alternative to what we are used to playing. You have to walk before you can "fly." A lot of us just want a good game besides wow, simple. If Aion is a good game, that alone is enough to meet a lot of people's expectations. The group of players that want the innovation and different perspective in video game development must wait for swtor or hope for developers to take bigger risks in the mmo department. That revolution in video gaming will take some time. A lot of players just want the game to be done right before it evolves. It is an utter shame that wow is the only mmo to contend with. Right now Aion doesn't have to be great, just good. We can put Aion in the "good" category and hope for a great game in the future. Right now, other mmos just suck. Great graphics can not mask a bad game. From the majority of players here, Aion seems to be a good game. I'll leave wow for a while just to try something that is new and has lasting appeal. I've given my hard criticism of Aion but faithful members here helped convince me. I spent hours reading more about Aion just because of this thread. After the game's release, we can bash it if it becomes an upset. I think most players here will admit that Aion is not innovative but that it is a great game none the less. If it's a good game, that's good enough for me. Anything besides wow is good enough to give a try. My opinion.
Honestly, I'm glad you've found a fun game to play. While Aion isn't my cup of tea I do own it (wife bought it for me). All of these games seem so similar to me. Aion isn't a bad game it's just not different enough for me.
Hopefully one day we will get a really cool game that just rewrites everything. Until then ill stay with my underfunded sandbox games and Eve.
metalhead980 I understand the way you feel as a lot of us feel the same way but some of us also will settle for a good alternative to what we are used to playing. You have to walk before you can "fly." A lot of us just want a good game besides wow, simple. If Aion is a good game, that alone is enough to meet a lot of people's expectations. The group of players that want the innovation and different perspective in video game development must wait for swtor or hope for developers to take bigger risks in the mmo department. That revolution in video gaming will take some time. A lot of players just want the game to be done right before it evolves. It is an utter shame that wow is the only mmo to contend with. Right now Aion doesn't have to be great, just good. We can put Aion in the "good" category and hope for a great game in the future. Right now, other mmos just suck. Great graphics can not mask a bad game. From the majority of players here, Aion seems to be a good game. I'll leave wow for a while just to try something that is new and has lasting appeal. I've given my hard criticism of Aion but faithful members here helped convince me. I spent hours reading more about Aion just because of this thread. After the game's release, we can bash it if it becomes an upset. I think most players here will admit that Aion is not innovative but that it is a great game none the less. If it's a good game, that's good enough for me. Anything besides wow is good enough to give a try. My opinion.
Honestly, I'm glad you've found a fun game to play. While Aion isn't my cup of tea I do own it (wife bought it for me). All of these games seem so similar to me. Aions isn't a bad game it's just not different enough for me.
Hopefully one day we will get a really cool game that just rewrites everything. Until then ill still with my underfunded sandbox games and Eve.
I'm curious about Final Fantasy XIV. I don't know a lot about the game nor am I the biggest Final Fantasy XI fan but the idea of not using levels sounds quite interesting.
Stars Wars the Old republic i know little about. I have never cared much for Bioware games and I'm not a huge fan of Star Wars either.
BLASPHEMY!!!
no seriously, it looks like another good game, but it will more than likely be the typical quest driven mmo with levels gear ect. the only real difference I think there will be is how you get the quest, it will, more than likely, be through chat dialouge like bioware is famous for, It will be voiced over, of couse, but still the choices you make in the interactions with npc will determine what quest you get.
I'm curious about FFXIV too, armoury system reminds me of FF9, which I thought was a good system.
One of the funniest things I see on these reviews is people that say this... I have played wow for years and years... I have 7 lvl 80 characters and done every raid.... and playing this game, it is just more of the same... I will go back to playing wow .
Logic escapes these people. How on earth is a new storyline, a new world, angellic looking characters, new stories.. etc be less new... than doing exactly what you have done before a thousand times? (which btw IS by definition 'More of the same')
I am baffled. Did they expect the computer game to give them a handjob or something?
It boils down to the game play itself. You can have any story-based explanation that you want, but ultimately everyone skips the stories and goes on to kill 15 wolves, karnifs, or whatever they're called in your respective MMO. Then there's the fact that a good 95% or more of the PvE game play is focused specifically on counting to 15 or some other arbitrary number.
Of course, from this point of view a person can easily say that all MMOs are the same, and that is exactly the way that I describe the MMO genre: They're all the same game with a different skin and different text, but some are more broken and more tedious than others.
On the flip side I've been doing the MMO thing since around EQ launch - sadly I missed UO - so it's all pretty old hat at this point.
Clearly I'm not the only person with this point of view, and Aion needs to do something to lure people away from their established MMO. Some people try Aion don't see enough of a difference to abandon end-game characters, guilds, friends, and whatever other accomplishments that they've established in their current MMO.
Aion follows the same mold as every other MMO, particularly fantasy-based ones, but they do it rather well. It's fun, but any staying power will rely entirely on their end-game (Abyss) game play for people like myself. Everything else in the game has been done to death (and we probably kill 20 of their zombies on our way to the next level).
I can only speak for myself but I wanted something different to play.
I've already played MMOs for near 12+ years, I've done the themepark mmos to death.
When I log into a game it doesn't matter if my character looks ultra realistic or looks like something off of cartoon network.
If the game is a quest stacker leading me from zone to zone until I reach some endgame raiding meta game It bores me to tears.
I open that quest log with 15-20+ quests and just feel like i've done it all before.
Around two years ago I left WoW and found Eve Online. This game didn't have a generic Interface, didn't have that stupid minimap in the upper right corner and didn't even have walking avatars. I was a freaking spaceship in a universe that wanted to blow me to bits 23/7. It felt new and I've been playing ever since.
That's what I needed at the time, I needed a game that was so radically different that I wasn't reminded of games like WoW or EQ.
I think alot of the WoW refugees are looking for a similar experience, something that wont make them think they've done all of this before.
Now to the Aion fans do you really think Aion gives them that feeling of something totally new and different?
I don't think Aion will give them the feeling like they are playing a game that reinvented the wheel. No. but I don't think thats something WoW players are looking for. You have been playing these games for 12+ years now, but how many WoW players have played that long? Not that many i presume.
If WoW players were really looking for something totally different, why didn't they move to games like EVE, Auto Assault, Tabula Rasa or City of Heroes? 2 out of the 4 games I mentioned who dared to do something different are now gone. Jumpspace is also an upcomming game and look how little hype there is for it. It's nowhere near the hype Aion, Warhammer and Lotro have received and those are all traditional mmorpg games.
Read alot of the posts on these forums and you see a ton of players saying "i feel like i've done this before".
It seems to me that they want a new experience, maybe what those four games were offering didn't appeal to them. I got lucky with Eve. Maybe one day the bored Ex-WoW players will find that game.
I personally don't see the appeal of Aion with the exception of the normal honeymoon phase everyone goes through. Sure the graphics are kinda neat and the wings are a cool touch but really its just a quest stacker that leads you from zone to zone to a endgame where you grind sometype of point system for gear or titles.
People talk about the pvp but all im seeing is random portals that have already gotten boring and ffa zones.
Seriously am I the only one that played L2 and DAoC? we have already been given a much better pvp experience in other games.
I can't be the only person that thinks Aion is nothing new at all.
The people speaking on these forums are really a minority and not a big group of people.
Yes it is a quest stacker, but so is WoW and Lotro and those are some of the most popular western mmorpgs around.
What makes Aion appealing to some are indeed, it's graphics, sound, storyline but also the little touches such as the more indepth combat system with combos, aerial travel and combat and the way all important places, npc's and mobs can be marked on the map.
About PVP, Unfortunately I haven't been able to experience it yet so it's all 2nd hand information, but from what I heard there are big siege battles and the dynamic PVE faction.
Yes Lineage 2 was there but keep in mind that while the castle sieges and pvp were appealing to many, they might have been turned off by it's slow progression and grind based gameplay.
I'm curious about Final Fantasy XIV. I don't know a lot about the game nor am I the biggest Final Fantasy XI fan but the idea of not using levels sounds quite interesting.
Stars Wars the Old republic i know little about. I have never cared much for Bioware games and I'm not a huge fan of Star Wars either.
BLASPHEMY!!!
no seriously, it looks like another good game, but it will more than likely be the typical quest driven mmo with levels gear ect. the only real difference I think there will be is how you get the quest, it will, more than likely, be through chat dialouge like bioware is famous for, It will be voiced over, of couse, but still the choices you make in the interactions with npc will determine what quest you get.
I'm curious about FFXIV too, armoury system reminds me of FF9, which I thought was a good system.
lol. I don't want to get off subject but SWTOR may cut wow subcribers in half. If may not kill wow but it will leave it limping for dear life. I believe it with all the force in me. This will get of topic, I know it.
I'm curious about Final Fantasy XIV. I don't know a lot about the game nor am I the biggest Final Fantasy XI fan but the idea of not using levels sounds quite interesting.
Stars Wars the Old republic i know little about. I have never cared much for Bioware games and I'm not a huge fan of Star Wars either.
BLASPHEMY!!!
no seriously, it looks like another good game, but it will more than likely be the typical quest driven mmo with levels gear ect. the only real difference I think there will be is how you get the quest, it will, more than likely, be through chat dialouge like bioware is famous for, It will be voiced over, of couse, but still the choices you make in the interactions with npc will determine what quest you get.
I'm curious about FFXIV too, armoury system reminds me of FF9, which I thought was a good system.
lol. I don't want to get off subject but SWTOR may cut wow subcribers in half. If may not kill wow but it will leave it limping for dear life. I believe it with all the force in me. This will get of topic, I know it.
I love the way SWTOR is looking, it's going to be a great game (so far it seems). But I seriously doubt it will leave WoW limping for life. I could see them coexist with each other. WoW will last a bit longer, I hate the direction WoW is taking, but I know tons of others love it. And yes you have derailed this thread now, GG :P
lol. I don't want to get off subject but SWTOR may cut wow subcribers in half. If may not kill wow but it will leave it limping for dear life. I believe it with all the force in me. This will get of topic, I know it.
Since you are on that subject, I don't think it will. One thing to remember about WoW subscribers are that a lot of them aren't gamers. They aren't looking for the next game to play. WoW itself brought in a lot of people who would never otherwise play video games or mmos. For the majority of them it's their first game. When I played almost my entire guild were exactly those people. They aren't looking for another game, when they get tired of WoW they'll quit gaming altogether. I was one of those people in which WoW was bascially my first video game (other than arcade games like defender, centipede, and others like it). I have since turned into a gamer so I've played many games since then but a lot of those WoW players aren't.
Yeah sorry to get off topic there, but back to the discussion at hand, Metalhead, I really hope we all find a game that satifies all of us, and gives us that feeling of exploring a new type of game for the first time. In a perfect world, we could hit a little erase button in our heads, that wipes away memories of certain games, what I wouldn't do to be able to play FF7 again through fresh eyes. but technology isn't there yet, so in the mean time, I'm gonna kill people, you know to sate my rage. And your gonna hopefully, blow people up, and maybe pod kill them, depending on how they acted, to sate your rage.
Read alot of the posts on these forums and you see a ton of players saying "i feel like i've done this before"....Seriously am I the only one that played L2 and DAoC? we have already been given a much better pvp experience in other games...
I can't be the only person that thinks Aion is nothing new at all.
There have been very few people posting here who believe that Aion is something new and innvovative. It isn't. Suggesting that people are arguing that point is creating a straw man.
I've played L2 and DAoC (extensively), and I am looking forward to seeing the pvp that Aion has to offer. Just because other games have done pvp well doesn't mean new games can do it at least as well, or better. We'll find out.
You seem jaded. Burned out. Tired. Or maybe you were never a fan of today's MMO mechanics. No matter the case, it's obvious that the MMO genre as it is doesn't suit you and it's time to move on. Posting negative comments on the Aion forum only serves to put your personal hangups on display.
Am I the only one who has played MMOs for a long time that is not burned out on the genre and can approach a new MMO with a fresh mind and a willingness to immerse myself in its experience even though it uses proven, familiar mechanics to progress its gameplay? I can't be the only person that feels that way.
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Yeah sorry to get off topic there, but back to the discussion at hand, Metalhead, I really hope we all find a game that satifies all of us, and gives us that feeling of exploring a new type of game for the first time. In a perfect world, we could hit a little erase button in our heads, that wipes away memories of certain games, what I wouldn't do to be able to play FF7 again through fresh eyes. but technology isn't there yet, so in the mean time, I'm gonna kill people, you know to sate my rage. And your gonna hopefully, blow people up, and maybe pod kill them, depending on how they acted, to sate your rage. Heres to hoping for ignorance.
Hmm, I can understand that feeling, to erase everything away. There's those movies that are so good, you wish you never watched them, just to start over again. But, I think the MMO The Secret World may change everything.
the only thing I think is truly innovative about Aion is the state its being released in. very few bugs, classes well balanced, lots of content, but hey thats what a year of overseas can do for a game.
the only thing I think is truly innovative about Aion is the state its being released in. very few bugs, classes well balanced, lots of content, but hey thats what a year of overseas can do for a game.
My prediction, is you will see many, many more games being released overseas first, and then brought to the states later. Way too many of them have been destroyed by the high expectations and hateful negativety right before/after launch in the US. Its a more sound financial plan for the companies themsleves to release them in the Asian markets first, collect 6-12 months of funds, work out the bugs, and then bring it over to the west markets. It gives them something to fall back on if the american players reject it and eliminates a lot of the things we find fault in.
Just my prediction though.
(DISCLAIMER - The use of the word YOU in the above post is not directed at any one person in particular, but towards those who fall into the category itself - there is no personal attack here, neither intentional nor implied.)
the only thing I think is truly innovative about Aion is the state its being released in. very few bugs, classes well balanced, lots of content, but hey thats what a year of overseas can do for a game.
Well.. I'd agree with most of that, except for spirit masters: Right now their DoT's do not stack nor scale making them very crappy in PvE. In PvP, they are extremely group reliant and function solely as a CC class; killing things by themselves is a very arduous endeavor. The pet also becomes a fail tank after 40 (or so the Korean 50's say)....
It kind of sounds like the old WoW warlock all over again.
This is a sequence of characters intended to produce some profound mental effect, but it has failed.
the only thing I think is truly innovative about Aion is the state its being released in. very few bugs, classes well balanced, lots of content, but hey thats what a year of overseas can do for a game.
My prediction, is you will see many, many more games being released overseas first, and then brought to the states later. Way too many of them have been destroyed by the high expectations and hateful negativety right before/after launch in the US. Its a more sound financial plan for the companies themsleves to release them in the Asian markets first, collect 6-12 months of funds, work out the bugs, and then bring it over to the west markets. It gives them something to fall back on if the american players reject it and eliminates a lot of the things we find fault in.
Just my prediction though.
I definitely agree with this. Pretty much all of the MMO's released lately really haven't been finished, meaning they release game in more of a beta state than an actual final release. Look at how many patches Champions has had since release. Look at how bad AoC was, and how disappointing War was. And it goes back farther than that. SWG, Vanguard are just a couple of examples of older games that shouldn't have been released when they were. Hell, even to some extent, Wrath of the Lich King felt like it was rushed.
The Asian market, for whatever reason, is just a little more forgiving of bugs and incomplete games than the rest of the world. Thus doing things the way Aion did makes sense and definitely brings a more finished and polished product to market when released in the USA and Europe.
I definitely more companies should and will look at the business model Aion has done and many will follow it in the future.
the only thing I think is truly innovative about Aion is the state its being released in. very few bugs, classes well balanced, lots of content, but hey thats what a year of overseas can do for a game.
Well.. I'd agree with most of that, except for spirit masters: Right now their DoT's do not stack nor scale making them very crappy in PvE. In PvP, they are extremely group reliant and function solely as a CC class; killing things by themselves is a very arduous endeavor. The pet also becomes a fail tank after 40 (or so the Korean 50's say)....
It kind of sounds like the old WoW warlock all over again.
The sorcerer sounds like the black mage in FFXI, but MMOs in general are pretty common, so, not just a WoW clone, but an EQ clone rofl
One of the funniest things I see on these reviews is people that say this... I have played wow for years and years... I have 7 lvl 80 characters and done every raid.... and playing this game, it is just more of the same... I will go back to playing wow .
Logic escapes these people. How on earth is a new storyline, a new world, angellic looking characters, new stories.. etc be less new... than doing exactly what you have done before a thousand times? (which btw IS by definition 'More of the same')
I am baffled. Did they expect the computer game to give them a handjob or something?
What are you talking about? my laptop gives me a handjob when i play crysis...or is that the searing heat it puts out haha! either way good post man.
One of the funniest things I see on these reviews is people that say this... I have played wow for years and years... I have 7 lvl 80 characters and done every raid.... and playing this game, it is just more of the same... I will go back to playing wow .
Logic escapes these people. How on earth is a new storyline, a new world, angellic looking characters, new stories.. etc be less new... than doing exactly what you have done before a thousand times? (which btw IS by definition 'More of the same')
I am baffled. Did they expect the computer game to give them a handjob or something?
What are you talking about? my laptop gives me a handjob when i play crysis...or is that the searing heat it puts out haha! either way good post man.
My PC won't even play Crysis correctly on MAX settings anymore. I have a 26" monitor and it really doesn't work. But, plays Aion flawlessly on MAX 8X AA and all that other junk.
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I don't think Aion will give them the feeling like they are playing a game that reinvented the wheel. No. but I don't think thats something WoW players are looking for. You have been playing these games for 12+ years now, but how many WoW players have played that long? Not that many i presume.
If WoW players were really looking for something totally different, why didn't they move to games like EVE, Auto Assault, Tabula Rasa or City of Heroes? 2 out of the 4 games I mentioned who dared to do something different are now gone. Jumpspace is also an upcomming game and look how little hype there is for it. It's nowhere near the hype Aion, Warhammer and Lotro have received and those are all traditional mmorpg games.
I'm thinking Final Fantasy XIV and SW:TOR will have something new for a chance. It has definitely been confirmed that Warhammer Online is a WoW Clone for sure. Many may not agree with me, it is true. AIon isn't a WoW clone at all, but you might be right, people aren't looking for Asian grinders either, we're looking for PvP which is what AIon has.
Second of all, The Secret World, I know made by the failed funcom, but still looks pretty interesting, otherwise, I'm not playing Aion for something new, I'm playing it for the innovative storyline and the engaging PvP.
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Aion follows the WoW model more than Warhammer does.
I haven't followed any of the FF series, what does the next one offer that is new? GW 2 will introduce some new ideas as well.
The challenge for Aion, IMO, will be the people that play at the beginning, at least for NA and EU. Will it be the types that overwhelmed AoC and helped ruin it. Or will it get a population that helps build the game into something special.
True, it's up to NCSoft to create content and having a PvPvE environment that is fun and lasting, but it is also up to the population to help build the game and not tear it down.
metalhead980 I understand the way you feel as a lot of us feel the same way but some of us also will settle for a good alternative to what we are used to playing. You have to walk before you can "fly." A lot of us just want a good game besides wow, simple. If Aion is a good game, that alone is enough to meet a lot of people's expectations. The group of players that want the innovation and different perspective in video game development must wait for swtor or hope for developers to take bigger risks in the mmo department. That revolution in video gaming will take some time. A lot of players just want the game to be done right before it evolves.
It is an utter shame that wow is the only mmo to contend with. Right now Aion doesn't have to be great, just good. We can put Aion in the "good" category and hope for a great game in the future. Right now, other mmos just suck. Great graphics can not mask a bad game. From the majority of players here, Aion seems to be a good game. I'll leave wow for a while just to try something that is new and has lasting appeal.
I've given my hard criticism of Aion but faithful members here helped convince me. I spent hours reading more about Aion just because of this thread. After the game's release, we can bash it if it becomes an upset. I think most players here will admit that Aion is not innovative but that it is a great game none the less. If it's a good game, that's good enough for me. Anything besides wow is good enough to give a try. My opinion.
I don't think Aion will give them the feeling like they are playing a game that reinvented the wheel. No. but I don't think thats something WoW players are looking for. You have been playing these games for 12+ years now, but how many WoW players have played that long? Not that many i presume.
If WoW players were really looking for something totally different, why didn't they move to games like EVE, Auto Assault, Tabula Rasa or City of Heroes? 2 out of the 4 games I mentioned who dared to do something different are now gone. Jumpspace is also an upcomming game and look how little hype there is for it. It's nowhere near the hype Aion, Warhammer and Lotro have received and those are all traditional mmorpg games.
Read alot of the posts on these forums and you see a ton of players saying "i feel like i've done this before".
It seems to me that they want a new experience, maybe what those four games were offering didn't appeal to them. I got lucky with Eve. Maybe one day the bored Ex-WoW players will find that game.
I personally don't see the appeal of Aion with the exception of the normal honeymoon phase everyone goes through. Sure the graphics are kinda neat and the wings are a cool touch but really its just a quest stacker that leads you from zone to zone to a endgame where you grind sometype of point system for gear or titles.
People talk about the pvp but all im seeing is random portals that have already gotten boring and ffa zones.
Seriously am I the only one that played L2 and DAoC? we have already been given a much better pvp experience in other games.
I can't be the only person that thinks Aion is nothing new at all.
PLaying: EvE, Ryzom
Waiting For: Earthrise, Perpetuum
I don't think Aion will give them the feeling like they are playing a game that reinvented the wheel. No. but I don't think thats something WoW players are looking for. You have been playing these games for 12+ years now, but how many WoW players have played that long? Not that many i presume.
If WoW players were really looking for something totally different, why didn't they move to games like EVE, Auto Assault, Tabula Rasa or City of Heroes? 2 out of the 4 games I mentioned who dared to do something different are now gone. Jumpspace is also an upcomming game and look how little hype there is for it. It's nowhere near the hype Aion, Warhammer and Lotro have received and those are all traditional mmorpg games.
I'm thinking Final Fantasy XIV and SW:TOR will have something new for a chance. It has definitely been confirmed that Warhammer Online is a WoW Clone for sure. Many may not agree with me, it is true. AIon isn't a WoW clone at all, but you might be right, people aren't looking for Asian grinders either, we're looking for PvP which is what AIon has.
Second of all, The Secret World, I know made by the failed funcom, but still looks pretty interesting, otherwise, I'm not playing Aion for something new, I'm playing it for the innovative storyline and the engaging PvP.
I'm curious about Final Fantasy XIV. I don't know a lot about the game nor am I the biggest Final Fantasy XI fan but the idea of not using levels sounds quite interesting.
Stars Wars the Old republic i know little about. I have never cared much for Bioware games and I'm not a huge fan of Star Wars either.
I don't think Aion will give them the feeling like they are playing a game that reinvented the wheel. No. but I don't think thats something WoW players are looking for. You have been playing these games for 12+ years now, but how many WoW players have played that long? Not that many i presume.
If WoW players were really looking for something totally different, why didn't they move to games like EVE, Auto Assault, Tabula Rasa or City of Heroes? 2 out of the 4 games I mentioned who dared to do something different are now gone. Jumpspace is also an upcomming game and look how little hype there is for it. It's nowhere near the hype Aion, Warhammer and Lotro have received and those are all traditional mmorpg games.
Read alot of the posts on these forums and you see a ton of players saying "i feel like i've done this before".
It seems to me that they want a new experience, maybe what those four games were offering didn't appeal to them. I got lucky with Eve. Maybe one day the bored Ex-WoW players will find that game.
I personally don't see the appeal of Aion with the exception of the normal honeymoon phase everyone goes through. Sure the graphics are kinda neat and the wings are a cool touch but really its just a quest stacker that leads you from zone to zone to a endgame where you grind sometype of point system for gear or titles.
People talk about the pvp but all im seeing is random portals that have already gotten boring and ffa zones.
Seriously am I the only one that played L2 and DAoC? we have already been given a much better pvp experience in other games.
I can't be the only person that thinks Aion is nothing new at all.
metalhead980 I believe a LOT of us if not most of us want something new and different. We just want that new and different to be done right. I've given Eve and City of Heroes a chance. They were both ok but not good enough to be called "good." I need fun with my innovation.
Honestly, I'm glad you've found a fun game to play. While Aion isn't my cup of tea I do own it (wife bought it for me). All of these games seem so similar to me. Aion isn't a bad game it's just not different enough for me.
Hopefully one day we will get a really cool game that just rewrites everything. Until then ill stay with my underfunded sandbox games and Eve.
PLaying: EvE, Ryzom
Waiting For: Earthrise, Perpetuum
Honestly, I'm glad you've found a fun game to play. While Aion isn't my cup of tea I do own it (wife bought it for me). All of these games seem so similar to me. Aions isn't a bad game it's just not different enough for me.
Hopefully one day we will get a really cool game that just rewrites everything. Until then ill still with my underfunded sandbox games and Eve.
lol. Understood.
BLASPHEMY!!!
no seriously, it looks like another good game, but it will more than likely be the typical quest driven mmo with levels gear ect. the only real difference I think there will be is how you get the quest, it will, more than likely, be through chat dialouge like bioware is famous for, It will be voiced over, of couse, but still the choices you make in the interactions with npc will determine what quest you get.
I'm curious about FFXIV too, armoury system reminds me of FF9, which I thought was a good system.
My Thoughts on Content Locust
It boils down to the game play itself. You can have any story-based explanation that you want, but ultimately everyone skips the stories and goes on to kill 15 wolves, karnifs, or whatever they're called in your respective MMO. Then there's the fact that a good 95% or more of the PvE game play is focused specifically on counting to 15 or some other arbitrary number.
Of course, from this point of view a person can easily say that all MMOs are the same, and that is exactly the way that I describe the MMO genre: They're all the same game with a different skin and different text, but some are more broken and more tedious than others.
On the flip side I've been doing the MMO thing since around EQ launch - sadly I missed UO - so it's all pretty old hat at this point.
Clearly I'm not the only person with this point of view, and Aion needs to do something to lure people away from their established MMO. Some people try Aion don't see enough of a difference to abandon end-game characters, guilds, friends, and whatever other accomplishments that they've established in their current MMO.
Aion follows the same mold as every other MMO, particularly fantasy-based ones, but they do it rather well. It's fun, but any staying power will rely entirely on their end-game (Abyss) game play for people like myself. Everything else in the game has been done to death (and we probably kill 20 of their zombies on our way to the next level).
I don't think Aion will give them the feeling like they are playing a game that reinvented the wheel. No. but I don't think thats something WoW players are looking for. You have been playing these games for 12+ years now, but how many WoW players have played that long? Not that many i presume.
If WoW players were really looking for something totally different, why didn't they move to games like EVE, Auto Assault, Tabula Rasa or City of Heroes? 2 out of the 4 games I mentioned who dared to do something different are now gone. Jumpspace is also an upcomming game and look how little hype there is for it. It's nowhere near the hype Aion, Warhammer and Lotro have received and those are all traditional mmorpg games.
Read alot of the posts on these forums and you see a ton of players saying "i feel like i've done this before".
It seems to me that they want a new experience, maybe what those four games were offering didn't appeal to them. I got lucky with Eve. Maybe one day the bored Ex-WoW players will find that game.
I personally don't see the appeal of Aion with the exception of the normal honeymoon phase everyone goes through. Sure the graphics are kinda neat and the wings are a cool touch but really its just a quest stacker that leads you from zone to zone to a endgame where you grind sometype of point system for gear or titles.
People talk about the pvp but all im seeing is random portals that have already gotten boring and ffa zones.
Seriously am I the only one that played L2 and DAoC? we have already been given a much better pvp experience in other games.
I can't be the only person that thinks Aion is nothing new at all.
The people speaking on these forums are really a minority and not a big group of people.
Yes it is a quest stacker, but so is WoW and Lotro and those are some of the most popular western mmorpgs around.
What makes Aion appealing to some are indeed, it's graphics, sound, storyline but also the little touches such as the more indepth combat system with combos, aerial travel and combat and the way all important places, npc's and mobs can be marked on the map.
About PVP, Unfortunately I haven't been able to experience it yet so it's all 2nd hand information, but from what I heard there are big siege battles and the dynamic PVE faction.
Yes Lineage 2 was there but keep in mind that while the castle sieges and pvp were appealing to many, they might have been turned off by it's slow progression and grind based gameplay.
BLASPHEMY!!!
no seriously, it looks like another good game, but it will more than likely be the typical quest driven mmo with levels gear ect. the only real difference I think there will be is how you get the quest, it will, more than likely, be through chat dialouge like bioware is famous for, It will be voiced over, of couse, but still the choices you make in the interactions with npc will determine what quest you get.
I'm curious about FFXIV too, armoury system reminds me of FF9, which I thought was a good system.
lol. I don't want to get off subject but SWTOR may cut wow subcribers in half. If may not kill wow but it will leave it limping for dear life. I believe it with all the force in me. This will get of topic, I know it.
BLASPHEMY!!!
no seriously, it looks like another good game, but it will more than likely be the typical quest driven mmo with levels gear ect. the only real difference I think there will be is how you get the quest, it will, more than likely, be through chat dialouge like bioware is famous for, It will be voiced over, of couse, but still the choices you make in the interactions with npc will determine what quest you get.
I'm curious about FFXIV too, armoury system reminds me of FF9, which I thought was a good system.
lol. I don't want to get off subject but SWTOR may cut wow subcribers in half. If may not kill wow but it will leave it limping for dear life. I believe it with all the force in me. This will get of topic, I know it.
I love the way SWTOR is looking, it's going to be a great game (so far it seems). But I seriously doubt it will leave WoW limping for life. I could see them coexist with each other. WoW will last a bit longer, I hate the direction WoW is taking, but I know tons of others love it. And yes you have derailed this thread now, GG :P
Since you are on that subject, I don't think it will. One thing to remember about WoW subscribers are that a lot of them aren't gamers. They aren't looking for the next game to play. WoW itself brought in a lot of people who would never otherwise play video games or mmos. For the majority of them it's their first game. When I played almost my entire guild were exactly those people. They aren't looking for another game, when they get tired of WoW they'll quit gaming altogether. I was one of those people in which WoW was bascially my first video game (other than arcade games like defender, centipede, and others like it). I have since turned into a gamer so I've played many games since then but a lot of those WoW players aren't.
Yeah sorry to get off topic there, but back to the discussion at hand, Metalhead, I really hope we all find a game that satifies all of us, and gives us that feeling of exploring a new type of game for the first time. In a perfect world, we could hit a little erase button in our heads, that wipes away memories of certain games, what I wouldn't do to be able to play FF7 again through fresh eyes. but technology isn't there yet, so in the mean time, I'm gonna kill people, you know to sate my rage. And your gonna hopefully, blow people up, and maybe pod kill them, depending on how they acted, to sate your rage.
Heres to hoping for ignorance.
My Thoughts on Content Locust
There have been very few people posting here who believe that Aion is something new and innvovative. It isn't. Suggesting that people are arguing that point is creating a straw man.
I've played L2 and DAoC (extensively), and I am looking forward to seeing the pvp that Aion has to offer. Just because other games have done pvp well doesn't mean new games can do it at least as well, or better. We'll find out.
You seem jaded. Burned out. Tired. Or maybe you were never a fan of today's MMO mechanics. No matter the case, it's obvious that the MMO genre as it is doesn't suit you and it's time to move on. Posting negative comments on the Aion forum only serves to put your personal hangups on display.
Am I the only one who has played MMOs for a long time that is not burned out on the genre and can approach a new MMO with a fresh mind and a willingness to immerse myself in its experience even though it uses proven, familiar mechanics to progress its gameplay? I can't be the only person that feels that way.
They can adjust a game all day, but they can't help the issue between the keyboard and the chair.
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Hmm, I can understand that feeling, to erase everything away. There's those movies that are so good, you wish you never watched them, just to start over again. But, I think the MMO The Secret World may change everything.
the only thing I think is truly innovative about Aion is the state its being released in. very few bugs, classes well balanced, lots of content, but hey thats what a year of overseas can do for a game.
My Thoughts on Content Locust
My prediction, is you will see many, many more games being released overseas first, and then brought to the states later. Way too many of them have been destroyed by the high expectations and hateful negativety right before/after launch in the US. Its a more sound financial plan for the companies themsleves to release them in the Asian markets first, collect 6-12 months of funds, work out the bugs, and then bring it over to the west markets. It gives them something to fall back on if the american players reject it and eliminates a lot of the things we find fault in.
Just my prediction though.
(DISCLAIMER - The use of the word YOU in the above post is not directed at any one person in particular, but towards those who fall into the category itself - there is no personal attack here, neither intentional nor implied.)
Well.. I'd agree with most of that, except for spirit masters: Right now their DoT's do not stack nor scale making them very crappy in PvE. In PvP, they are extremely group reliant and function solely as a CC class; killing things by themselves is a very arduous endeavor. The pet also becomes a fail tank after 40 (or so the Korean 50's say)....
It kind of sounds like the old WoW warlock all over again.
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My prediction, is you will see many, many more games being released overseas first, and then brought to the states later. Way too many of them have been destroyed by the high expectations and hateful negativety right before/after launch in the US. Its a more sound financial plan for the companies themsleves to release them in the Asian markets first, collect 6-12 months of funds, work out the bugs, and then bring it over to the west markets. It gives them something to fall back on if the american players reject it and eliminates a lot of the things we find fault in.
Just my prediction though.
I definitely agree with this. Pretty much all of the MMO's released lately really haven't been finished, meaning they release game in more of a beta state than an actual final release. Look at how many patches Champions has had since release. Look at how bad AoC was, and how disappointing War was. And it goes back farther than that. SWG, Vanguard are just a couple of examples of older games that shouldn't have been released when they were. Hell, even to some extent, Wrath of the Lich King felt like it was rushed.
The Asian market, for whatever reason, is just a little more forgiving of bugs and incomplete games than the rest of the world. Thus doing things the way Aion did makes sense and definitely brings a more finished and polished product to market when released in the USA and Europe.
I definitely more companies should and will look at the business model Aion has done and many will follow it in the future.
Well.. I'd agree with most of that, except for spirit masters: Right now their DoT's do not stack nor scale making them very crappy in PvE. In PvP, they are extremely group reliant and function solely as a CC class; killing things by themselves is a very arduous endeavor. The pet also becomes a fail tank after 40 (or so the Korean 50's say)....
It kind of sounds like the old WoW warlock all over again.
The sorcerer sounds like the black mage in FFXI, but MMOs in general are pretty common, so, not just a WoW clone, but an EQ clone rofl
What are you talking about? my laptop gives me a handjob when i play crysis...or is that the searing heat it puts out haha! either way good post man.
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What are you talking about? my laptop gives me a handjob when i play crysis...or is that the searing heat it puts out haha! either way good post man.
My PC won't even play Crysis correctly on MAX settings anymore. I have a 26" monitor and it really doesn't work. But, plays Aion flawlessly on MAX 8X AA and all that other junk.