....That's like saying weren't the Indians annexed by force by the Europeans(Americans).
LOL, now who's the troll?
China invaded and took over Tibet and you argued that the Tibetans brought on this latest crackdown themselves. So using your own analogy... I guess you'd make a great indian fighter.
Personally, I agree with both the Tibetans and the Native American tribes... but at this point in time it would be alot easier to right the wrong in China then it would be to right the wrong in the US.
Right the wrongs.....good luck with that...countries by nature a Amoral and will always act in their best interest. So to right the wrongs it would have to be in another countries best interest and frankly where China is involved it is not.
I agree completely... and I have been to China several times, in fact I was US Navy intel and the PRC Naval analyst for 7th Fleet in the late 90's. But unraveling the issue with Tibet (right now) would boil down to the removal of Chinese forces from Tibet and China again recognizing them as a sovereign nation. (And hell freezing over)
Unraveling the US occupancy of Native American tribal lands... I doubt if anyone knows where to begin... maybe we could just let Leonard Peltier out for starters. Combine that with the Native American tribes penchant for pointing out that no one owns the land... mix in hundreds of atrocities committed by both sides... multiply that by dozens of different tribes acting independent of each other and in some cases different chiefs in the same tribe going against each other and well... you get a headache really fast.
....That's like saying weren't the Indians annexed by force by the Europeans(Americans).
LOL, now who's the troll?
China invaded and took over Tibet and you argued that the Tibetans brought on this latest crackdown themselves. So using your own analogy... I guess you'd make a great indian fighter.
Personally, I agree with both the Tibetans and the Native American tribes... but at this point in time it would be alot easier to right the wrong in China then it would be to right the wrong in the US.
Your completely missing the point. If the Native American tribes basically protested and told US to GTFO and leave them alone how do you think US will react? Especially with other American citizens in the area being harmed by the native americans.
This was the case in Tibet. If you were China what would you do watch your citizens in Tibet be beat up on and become "inferior" people compare to the Tibetan monks?
I am dropping this debate unless someone want to go make a thread about this.
You are wrong... seriously... the occupancy of tribal lands in the states is hundreds of years old and made horribly complicated by intermarriage and agreements made between the US and tribal elders and a host of other issues. China has been in Tibet what - 50 years now?
Adn again... when did the Dali Lama sanction violence in Tibet to gain it's freedom?
And do you believe this about the monks? Ever heard of Manchukuo or the Marco Polo Bridge?
Why the scare quotes on "private company"? As far as location, who cares? Are you saying they would be prevented by force from doing this in another country? If so, isn't that an argument that there is MORE freedom in China versus less?
Its a matter of mentalities, not freedom. imposing restrictions to freedeom like this is much more likely to happen in china then holland, for example. saying china is more free then holland because companies have the freedom to limit your freedom is just wrong.
I think you have it backwards. The aurora company is not restricting anyone's freedom. They offer a product, which people are free to purchase or not. That's it. If some busybody bureaucrat with a legion of armed thugs at their command can use force to stop the company from offering it's product, then that is a loss of freedom. Such things are more likely to occur in the "civilized" "moral" social democracies of europe and north america, than they are in China. That's why, in this case, there is more freedom in China than in other countries of the world.
Im sorry, we just gonna have to agree to disagree. I dont see a ice cream company (for the sake of argument) opening a shop in paris (again, for the sake of argument) selling chocolate only to boys and strawberry only for girls doing very well, business wise. it can happen sure, but is it likely? no.
No but we don't disagree here. It's not about whether it makes good business sense or not. The point is that you are free to try and run this kind of business in China. Whereas in other places you will have people screaming for the police to come and force you to change your business model, or be shot.
maybe im not expressing my self very well. i dont make a distinction between the chinese policies and their private companies. to me, everything inside that border shares a twisted mentality that spawns these horrible policies and business choices. yes the company is free to impede men from playing female characters. it doesnt mean they should. I shouldnt be free to deny someone something just because they are male or female, or black or white. saying you cant kill is not limiting your freedom, is ensuring everyone else has the freedom to live without fear of being killed by monsters.
If you stand VERY still, and close your eyes, after a minute you can actually FEEL the universe revolving around PvP.
In England the government forced an old woman to take down a sign that said "Homosexuality is a sin" on her own property because they said it was hate speech...does this make the gays Hetrophobes?
Oh too funny I could deduce from that , that you assume the English government is gay lol.
Your example is not logically sound. The government doesnt represent just homosexuals or just heterosexuals. Being anti hate also doesnt mean you are anti a certain group.
I fail to see the "hate". According to the news the police came to her house because a gay group was planning a parade along the route and did not want the sign there....heterophobia on their part or maybe Chistianphobia...or sinaphobia
So if you dont like to be insulted, it automatically means you suffer from a phobia? Lol. You might want to look up the word phobia. Its the insult they wanted to be removed, it has nothing to do with who the person is that put it there. It could be even a homosexual priest who put it there
maybe im not expressing my self very well. i dont make a distinction between the chinese policies and their private companies. to me, everything inside that border shares a twisted mentality that spawns these horrible policies and business choices. yes the company is free to impede men from playing female characters. it doesnt mean they should. I shouldnt be free to deny someone something just because they are male or female, or black or white. saying you cant kill is not limiting your freedom, is ensuring everyone else has the freedom to live without fear of being killed by monsters.
You assume that people have a right to life. I would say that nature says you do not.
Why the scare quotes on "private company"? As far as location, who cares? Are you saying they would be prevented by force from doing this in another country? If so, isn't that an argument that there is MORE freedom in China versus less?
Its a matter of mentalities, not freedom. imposing restrictions to freedeom like this is much more likely to happen in china then holland, for example. saying china is more free then holland because companies have the freedom to limit your freedom is just wrong.
I think you have it backwards. The aurora company is not restricting anyone's freedom. They offer a product, which people are free to purchase or not. That's it. If some busybody bureaucrat with a legion of armed thugs at their command can use force to stop the company from offering it's product, then that is a loss of freedom. Such things are more likely to occur in the "civilized" "moral" social democracies of europe and north america, than they are in China. That's why, in this case, there is more freedom in China than in other countries of the world.
Im sorry, we just gonna have to agree to disagree. I dont see a ice cream company (for the sake of argument) opening a shop in paris (again, for the sake of argument) selling chocolate only to boys and strawberry only for girls doing very well, business wise. it can happen sure, but is it likely? no.
No but we don't disagree here. It's not about whether it makes good business sense or not. The point is that you are free to try and run this kind of business in China. Whereas in other places you will have people screaming for the police to come and force you to change your business model, or be shot.
maybe im not expressing my self very well. i dont make a distinction between the chinese policies and their private companies. to me, everything inside that border shares a twisted mentality that spawns these horrible policies and business choices. yes the company is free to impede men from playing female characters. it doesnt mean they should. I shouldnt be free to deny someone something just because they are male or female, or black or white. saying you cant kill is not limiting your freedom, is ensuring everyone else has the freedom to live without fear of being killed by monsters.
So if I do not agree with a political party and say that party is wrong I am now insulting them and my view should be removed by the government? So long as it does not promote violence I believe that people have a right to an opinion and to express that opinion....
''Aurora Technology over in China has apparently decided to cut out the middleman in the equation -- they're banning any male players who play female characters, requiring players to confirm their gender via webcam in order to enforce the ruling.''
''Aurora is a subsidiary of Shanda, a company responsible for publishing Aion and Dungeons and Dragons Online in the region, which are names slightly more familiar to players on this side of the pond.''
maybe im not expressing my self very well. i dont make a distinction between the chinese policies and their private companies. to me, everything inside that border shares a twisted mentality that spawns these horrible policies and business choices. yes the company is free to impede men from playing female characters. it doesnt mean they should. I shouldnt be free to deny someone something just because they are male or female, or black or white. saying you cant kill is not limiting your freedom, is ensuring everyone else has the freedom to live without fear of being killed by monsters.
You assume that people have a right to life. I would say that nature says you do not.
Yeah well, we are not apes anymore. I like to think we are a bit more evolved than that. we may be pawns in nature's game, but that doesnt mean we should be pawns in our own game.
If you stand VERY still, and close your eyes, after a minute you can actually FEEL the universe revolving around PvP.
....That's like saying weren't the Indians annexed by force by the Europeans(Americans).
LOL, now who's the troll?
China invaded and took over Tibet and you argued that the Tibetans brought on this latest crackdown themselves. So using your own analogy... I guess you'd make a great indian fighter.
Personally, I agree with both the Tibetans and the Native American tribes... but at this point in time it would be alot easier to right the wrong in China then it would be to right the wrong in the US.
Your completely missing the point. If the Native American tribes basically protested and told US to GTFO and leave them alone how do you think US will react? Especially with other American citizens in the area being harmed by the native americans.
This was the case in Tibet. If you were China what would you do watch your citizens in Tibet be beat up on and become "inferior" people compare to the Tibetan monks?
I am dropping this debate unless someone want to go make a thread about this.
You are wrong... seriously... the occupancy of tribal lands in the states is hundreds of years old and made horribly complicated by intermarriage and agreements made between the US and tribal elders and a host of other issues. China has been in Tibet what - 50 years now?
Adn again... when did the Dali Lama sanction violence in Tibet to gain it's freedom?
And do you believe this about the monks? Ever heard of Manchukuo or the Marco Polo Bridge?
So Im confused here. Was it the Dalai Lama or the male native americans who wanted to roll a fem char?
Yes, I think you both totally derailed this thread and are way offtopic with your stupid politic discussion. Not to mention that its completely incoherent. No need to go into that, save it for a different thread.
No but we don't disagree here. It's not about whether it makes good business sense or not. The point is that you are free to try and run this kind of business in China. Whereas in other places you will have people screaming for the police to come and force you to change your business model, or be shot.
Have you ever had to actually dealing with businesses in China? From the experiences related by my friends who have actually gone to China and had business dealings there, EVERY business exists because it has the backing of the ruling Communist Party. They have some connection or someone knows someone or whatever, but the businesses exist solely because the State permits it.
If you try to open a business that the Party doesn't want you to have (and it gets big enough to get their attention) then you WILL be shut down.
Now the Communist Party in China has nothing in common with the former Soviet Communists. The Party leaders in China often seem to be concerned with their country's best interest. They are often concerned with ethical and moral behavior. But never forget they are the PARTY'S morals and ethics. And you had better follow them or you won't be doing business there.
China gives businesses exactly as much freedom as they deem fit. And not an inch more.
''Aurora Technology over in China has apparently decided to cut out the middleman in the equation -- they're banning any male players who play female characters, requiring players to confirm their gender via webcam in order to enforce the ruling.''
''Aurora is a subsidiary of Shanda, a company responsible for publishing Aion and Dungeons and Dragons Online in the region, which are names slightly more familiar to players on this side of the pond.''
maybe im not expressing my self very well. i dont make a distinction between the chinese policies and their private companies. to me, everything inside that border shares a twisted mentality that spawns these horrible policies and business choices. yes the company is free to impede men from playing female characters. it doesnt mean they should. I shouldnt be free to deny someone something just because they are male or female, or black or white. saying you cant kill is not limiting your freedom, is ensuring everyone else has the freedom to live without fear of being killed by monsters.
You assume that people have a right to life. I would say that nature says you do not.
Yeah well, we are not apes anymore. I like to think we are a bit more evolved than that. we may be pawns in nature's game, but that doesnt mean we should be pawns in our own game.
I still require proof of social evolution of mankind...seems we have not changed since the middle ages we just have more ways to kill people.
Requiring some condition to be met before you are allowed to play someone's game is NOT OPPRESSION.
If you require a webcam to try their product, you can go out and buy one. but limiting your choices because of gender is oppression
Your choice is NOT limited. You can play the game, or you can not play the game. That is the choice.
It is limiting your choices. By your rationale Jim Crow laws should be considered legitimate. In my country it is even ilegal for a restaurant to require its diners to wear a formal jacket as this would imply discrimination against the poor. Ofc different countries have different standards but that is the point of this thread. The Chinese do impose morality standards upon their citizens despite having a nominally secular government. This is a discrimination issue as it implies infringing on a customers freedom to express through his virtual persona, not because of technical considerations or reasonable standards of respect towards other players.
Just to make things clear... I speak for myself and no one else, unless i state otherwise mine is just an opinion. A fact is something that can be independently verified, you may challenge such but with proof. You have every right to disagree with me through sound argument, i believe in constructive debate, but baseless aggression will warrant an unkind response.
....That's like saying weren't the Indians annexed by force by the Europeans(Americans).
LOL, now who's the troll?
China invaded and took over Tibet and you argued that the Tibetans brought on this latest crackdown themselves. So using your own analogy... I guess you'd make a great indian fighter.
Personally, I agree with both the Tibetans and the Native American tribes... but at this point in time it would be alot easier to right the wrong in China then it would be to right the wrong in the US.
Your completely missing the point. If the Native American tribes basically protested and told US to GTFO and leave them alone how do you think US will react? Especially with other American citizens in the area being harmed by the native americans.
This was the case in Tibet. If you were China what would you do watch your citizens in Tibet be beat up on and become "inferior" people compare to the Tibetan monks?
I am dropping this debate unless someone want to go make a thread about this.
You are wrong... seriously... the occupancy of tribal lands in the states is hundreds of years old and made horribly complicated by intermarriage and agreements made between the US and tribal elders and a host of other issues. China has been in Tibet what - 50 years now?
Adn again... when did the Dali Lama sanction violence in Tibet to gain it's freedom?
And do you believe this about the monks? Ever heard of Manchukuo or the Marco Polo Bridge?
So Im confused here. Was it the Dalai Lama or the male native americans who wanted to roll a fem char?
Yes, I think you both totally derailed this thread and are way offtopic with your stupid politic discussion. Not to mention that its completely incoherent. No need to go into that, save it for a different thread.
It was the Dali Lama... he surely loves his ta-ta's.
So if I do not agree with a political party and say that party is wrong I am now insulting them and my view should be removed by the government? So long as it does not promote violence I believe that people have a right to an opinion and to express that opinion....
Saying something is a sin, is not exactly the same as not agreeing. From a believers standpoint , a sin is pure evil. Also, a sin is stated as fact, never as opinion. But nvm, if you dont even see that difference. Internet discussions ftl
Regarding the OP, so does this mean that Left 4 Dead and Left 4 Dead 2 will be banned in China because they let males players play Zoe and Rochelle? ZOMG!
I guess that means they will banning Tomb Raider. And Metroid. And Blood Rayne. And Bayonetta. (Actually they'll probably ban Bayonetta for other reasons lol)
What else can you expect from a country with the absurd goal of trying to control people's use of the Internet.
LOL just noticed the articles states this company has been trying to do this for TWO YEARS.
''Aurora Technology over in China has apparently decided to cut out the middleman in the equation -- they're banning any male players who play female characters, requiring players to confirm their gender via webcam in order to enforce the ruling.''
''Aurora is a subsidiary of Shanda, a company responsible for publishing Aion and Dungeons and Dragons Online in the region, which are names slightly more familiar to players on this side of the pond.''
Pretty extreme if you ask me. For those of you males who like playing as female chars, you would be sorely out of luck in China.
And who is to say what is right or wrong with what China does in their own country??
Dead students in Tiananmen square perhaps?
Personal Freedoms have a price. China is not a free country.
Just dont meet a lot of any dead players online or the foums, perhaps every country should decide what is appropriate and not for their own people huh?
Regarding the OP, so does this mean that Left 4 Dead and Left 4 Dead 2 will be banned in China because they let males players play Zoe and Rochelle? ZOMG! I guess that means they will banning Tomb Raider. And Metroid. And Blood Rayne. And Bayonetta. (Actually they'll probably ban Bayonetta for other reasons lol) What else can you expect from a country with the absurd goal of trying to control people's use of the Internet.
does everyone here remember the hell journalists went though with the internet while covering the olympics?
If you stand VERY still, and close your eyes, after a minute you can actually FEEL the universe revolving around PvP.
So if I do not agree with a political party and say that party is wrong I am now insulting them and my view should be removed by the government? So long as it does not promote violence I believe that people have a right to an opinion and to express that opinion....
Saying something is a sin, is not exactly the same as not agreeing. From a believers standpoint , a sin is pure evil. Also, a sin is stated as fact, never as opinion. But nvm, if you dont even see that difference. Internet discussions ftl
Churches get away with a lot of bs. The Catholic church uses scripture to justify discrimination against women. But thats the reason civilized societies dont allow religion to interfere with political speech or normal democratic life. I agree, anyone is free to do whatever they want in the privacy of their home. Privacy being the key word here, you cant just start burning crosses on your front lawn and expect the neighbors to put up with it.
Just to make things clear... I speak for myself and no one else, unless i state otherwise mine is just an opinion. A fact is something that can be independently verified, you may challenge such but with proof. You have every right to disagree with me through sound argument, i believe in constructive debate, but baseless aggression will warrant an unkind response.
''Aurora Technology over in China has apparently decided to cut out the middleman in the equation -- they're banning any male players who play female characters, requiring players to confirm their gender via webcam in order to enforce the ruling.''
''Aurora is a subsidiary of Shanda, a company responsible for publishing Aion and Dungeons and Dragons Online in the region, which are names slightly more familiar to players on this side of the pond.''
Pretty extreme if you ask me. For those of you males who like playing as female chars, you would be sorely out of luck in China.
And who is to say what is right or wrong with what China does in their own country??
Dead students in Tiananmen square perhaps?
Personal Freedoms have a price. China is not a free country.
Just dont meet a lot of any dead players online or the foums, perhaps every country should decide what is appropriate and not for their own people huh?
Kool, so they just want to be left alone to oppress their people? Or in the case of Tibet they just want to be left alone to oppress someone else's people?
-At least you are in good company... Hitler, Stalin, Mussolini... they all felt the same way.
But we'll let you negotiate for us... "Peace in our time" and all that, right?
''Aurora Technology over in China has apparently decided to cut out the middleman in the equation -- they're banning any male players who play female characters, requiring players to confirm their gender via webcam in order to enforce the ruling.''
''Aurora is a subsidiary of Shanda, a company responsible for publishing Aion and Dungeons and Dragons Online in the region, which are names slightly more familiar to players on this side of the pond.''
Pretty extreme if you ask me. For those of you males who like playing as female chars, you would be sorely out of luck in China.
And who is to say what is right or wrong with what China does in their own country??
Dead students in Tiananmen square perhaps?
Personal Freedoms have a price. China is not a free country.
Just dont meet a lot of any dead players online or the foums, perhaps every country should decide what is appropriate and not for their own people huh?
Kool, so they just want to be left alone to oppress their people? Or in the case of Tibet they just want to be left alone to oppress someone else's people?
-At least you are in good company... Hitler, Stalin, Mussolini... they all felt the same way.
But we'll let you negotiate for us... "Peace in our time" and all that, right?
so what country of dead students should be made King of gaming...or do we just do a hitler thing and allow a war to start over online gaming practices? surely such a reason for war would be new since we already lost milions of people for other reasons. And who would support such a war over gaming??
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LOL, now who's the troll?
China invaded and took over Tibet and you argued that the Tibetans brought on this latest crackdown themselves. So using your own analogy... I guess you'd make a great indian fighter.
Personally, I agree with both the Tibetans and the Native American tribes... but at this point in time it would be alot easier to right the wrong in China then it would be to right the wrong in the US.
Right the wrongs.....good luck with that...countries by nature a Amoral and will always act in their best interest. So to right the wrongs it would have to be in another countries best interest and frankly where China is involved it is not.
I agree completely... and I have been to China several times, in fact I was US Navy intel and the PRC Naval analyst for 7th Fleet in the late 90's. But unraveling the issue with Tibet (right now) would boil down to the removal of Chinese forces from Tibet and China again recognizing them as a sovereign nation. (And hell freezing over)
Unraveling the US occupancy of Native American tribal lands... I doubt if anyone knows where to begin... maybe we could just let Leonard Peltier out for starters. Combine that with the Native American tribes penchant for pointing out that no one owns the land... mix in hundreds of atrocities committed by both sides... multiply that by dozens of different tribes acting independent of each other and in some cases different chiefs in the same tribe going against each other and well... you get a headache really fast.
Requiring some condition to be met before you are allowed to play someone's game is NOT OPPRESSION.
If you require a webcam to try their product, you can go out and buy one. but limiting your choices because of gender is oppression
Your choice is NOT limited. You can play the game, or you can not play the game. That is the choice.
LOL, now who's the troll?
China invaded and took over Tibet and you argued that the Tibetans brought on this latest crackdown themselves. So using your own analogy... I guess you'd make a great indian fighter.
Personally, I agree with both the Tibetans and the Native American tribes... but at this point in time it would be alot easier to right the wrong in China then it would be to right the wrong in the US.
Your completely missing the point. If the Native American tribes basically protested and told US to GTFO and leave them alone how do you think US will react? Especially with other American citizens in the area being harmed by the native americans.
This was the case in Tibet. If you were China what would you do watch your citizens in Tibet be beat up on and become "inferior" people compare to the Tibetan monks?
I am dropping this debate unless someone want to go make a thread about this.
You are wrong... seriously... the occupancy of tribal lands in the states is hundreds of years old and made horribly complicated by intermarriage and agreements made between the US and tribal elders and a host of other issues. China has been in Tibet what - 50 years now?
Adn again... when did the Dali Lama sanction violence in Tibet to gain it's freedom?
And do you believe this about the monks? Ever heard of Manchukuo or the Marco Polo Bridge?
Its a matter of mentalities, not freedom. imposing restrictions to freedeom like this is much more likely to happen in china then holland, for example. saying china is more free then holland because companies have the freedom to limit your freedom is just wrong.
I think you have it backwards. The aurora company is not restricting anyone's freedom. They offer a product, which people are free to purchase or not. That's it. If some busybody bureaucrat with a legion of armed thugs at their command can use force to stop the company from offering it's product, then that is a loss of freedom. Such things are more likely to occur in the "civilized" "moral" social democracies of europe and north america, than they are in China. That's why, in this case, there is more freedom in China than in other countries of the world.
Im sorry, we just gonna have to agree to disagree. I dont see a ice cream company (for the sake of argument) opening a shop in paris (again, for the sake of argument) selling chocolate only to boys and strawberry only for girls doing very well, business wise. it can happen sure, but is it likely? no.
No but we don't disagree here. It's not about whether it makes good business sense or not. The point is that you are free to try and run this kind of business in China. Whereas in other places you will have people screaming for the police to come and force you to change your business model, or be shot.
maybe im not expressing my self very well. i dont make a distinction between the chinese policies and their private companies. to me, everything inside that border shares a twisted mentality that spawns these horrible policies and business choices. yes the company is free to impede men from playing female characters. it doesnt mean they should. I shouldnt be free to deny someone something just because they are male or female, or black or white. saying you cant kill is not limiting your freedom, is ensuring everyone else has the freedom to live without fear of being killed by monsters.
If you stand VERY still, and close your eyes, after a minute you can actually FEEL the universe revolving around PvP.
Oh too funny
I could deduce from that , that you assume the English government is gay lol.
Your example is not logically sound. The government doesnt represent just homosexuals or just heterosexuals. Being anti hate also doesnt mean you are anti a certain group.
I fail to see the "hate". According to the news the police came to her house because a gay group was planning a parade along the route and did not want the sign there....heterophobia on their part or maybe Chistianphobia...or sinaphobia
So if you dont like to be insulted, it automatically means you suffer from a phobia? Lol. You might want to look up the word phobia. Its the insult they wanted to be removed, it has nothing to do with who the person is that put it there. It could be even a homosexual priest who put it there
You assume that people have a right to life. I would say that nature says you do not.
Its a matter of mentalities, not freedom. imposing restrictions to freedeom like this is much more likely to happen in china then holland, for example. saying china is more free then holland because companies have the freedom to limit your freedom is just wrong.
I think you have it backwards. The aurora company is not restricting anyone's freedom. They offer a product, which people are free to purchase or not. That's it. If some busybody bureaucrat with a legion of armed thugs at their command can use force to stop the company from offering it's product, then that is a loss of freedom. Such things are more likely to occur in the "civilized" "moral" social democracies of europe and north america, than they are in China. That's why, in this case, there is more freedom in China than in other countries of the world.
Im sorry, we just gonna have to agree to disagree. I dont see a ice cream company (for the sake of argument) opening a shop in paris (again, for the sake of argument) selling chocolate only to boys and strawberry only for girls doing very well, business wise. it can happen sure, but is it likely? no.
No but we don't disagree here. It's not about whether it makes good business sense or not. The point is that you are free to try and run this kind of business in China. Whereas in other places you will have people screaming for the police to come and force you to change your business model, or be shot.
maybe im not expressing my self very well. i dont make a distinction between the chinese policies and their private companies. to me, everything inside that border shares a twisted mentality that spawns these horrible policies and business choices. yes the company is free to impede men from playing female characters. it doesnt mean they should. I shouldnt be free to deny someone something just because they are male or female, or black or white. saying you cant kill is not limiting your freedom, is ensuring everyone else has the freedom to live without fear of being killed by monsters.
Thats just ignorant.
So if I do not agree with a political party and say that party is wrong I am now insulting them and my view should be removed by the government? So long as it does not promote violence I believe that people have a right to an opinion and to express that opinion....
And who is to say what is right or wrong with what China does in their own country??
You assume that people have a right to life. I would say that nature says you do not.
Yeah well, we are not apes anymore. I like to think we are a bit more evolved than that. we may be pawns in nature's game, but that doesnt mean we should be pawns in our own game.
If you stand VERY still, and close your eyes, after a minute you can actually FEEL the universe revolving around PvP.
LOL, now who's the troll?
China invaded and took over Tibet and you argued that the Tibetans brought on this latest crackdown themselves. So using your own analogy... I guess you'd make a great indian fighter.
Personally, I agree with both the Tibetans and the Native American tribes... but at this point in time it would be alot easier to right the wrong in China then it would be to right the wrong in the US.
Your completely missing the point. If the Native American tribes basically protested and told US to GTFO and leave them alone how do you think US will react? Especially with other American citizens in the area being harmed by the native americans.
This was the case in Tibet. If you were China what would you do watch your citizens in Tibet be beat up on and become "inferior" people compare to the Tibetan monks?
I am dropping this debate unless someone want to go make a thread about this.
You are wrong... seriously... the occupancy of tribal lands in the states is hundreds of years old and made horribly complicated by intermarriage and agreements made between the US and tribal elders and a host of other issues. China has been in Tibet what - 50 years now?
Adn again... when did the Dali Lama sanction violence in Tibet to gain it's freedom?
And do you believe this about the monks? Ever heard of Manchukuo or the Marco Polo Bridge?
So Im confused here. Was it the Dalai Lama or the male native americans who wanted to roll a fem char?
Yes, I think you both totally derailed this thread and are way offtopic with your stupid politic discussion. Not to mention that its completely incoherent. No need to go into that, save it for a different thread.
so is saying china has more freedom then western countries.
If you stand VERY still, and close your eyes, after a minute you can actually FEEL the universe revolving around PvP.
Have you ever had to actually dealing with businesses in China? From the experiences related by my friends who have actually gone to China and had business dealings there, EVERY business exists because it has the backing of the ruling Communist Party. They have some connection or someone knows someone or whatever, but the businesses exist solely because the State permits it.
If you try to open a business that the Party doesn't want you to have (and it gets big enough to get their attention) then you WILL be shut down.
Now the Communist Party in China has nothing in common with the former Soviet Communists. The Party leaders in China often seem to be concerned with their country's best interest. They are often concerned with ethical and moral behavior. But never forget they are the PARTY'S morals and ethics. And you had better follow them or you won't be doing business there.
China gives businesses exactly as much freedom as they deem fit. And not an inch more.
And who is to say what is right or wrong with what China does in their own country??
Dead students in Tiananmen square perhaps?
Personal Freedoms have a price. China is not a free country.
You assume that people have a right to life. I would say that nature says you do not.
Yeah well, we are not apes anymore. I like to think we are a bit more evolved than that. we may be pawns in nature's game, but that doesnt mean we should be pawns in our own game.
I still require proof of social evolution of mankind...seems we have not changed since the middle ages we just have more ways to kill people.
Requiring some condition to be met before you are allowed to play someone's game is NOT OPPRESSION.
If you require a webcam to try their product, you can go out and buy one. but limiting your choices because of gender is oppression
Your choice is NOT limited. You can play the game, or you can not play the game. That is the choice.
It is limiting your choices. By your rationale Jim Crow laws should be considered legitimate. In my country it is even ilegal for a restaurant to require its diners to wear a formal jacket as this would imply discrimination against the poor. Ofc different countries have different standards but that is the point of this thread. The Chinese do impose morality standards upon their citizens despite having a nominally secular government. This is a discrimination issue as it implies infringing on a customers freedom to express through his virtual persona, not because of technical considerations or reasonable standards of respect towards other players.
Just to make things clear...
I speak for myself and no one else, unless i state otherwise mine is just an opinion. A fact is something that can be independently verified, you may challenge such but with proof. You have every right to disagree with me through sound argument, i believe in constructive debate, but baseless aggression will warrant an unkind response.
LOL, now who's the troll?
China invaded and took over Tibet and you argued that the Tibetans brought on this latest crackdown themselves. So using your own analogy... I guess you'd make a great indian fighter.
Personally, I agree with both the Tibetans and the Native American tribes... but at this point in time it would be alot easier to right the wrong in China then it would be to right the wrong in the US.
Your completely missing the point. If the Native American tribes basically protested and told US to GTFO and leave them alone how do you think US will react? Especially with other American citizens in the area being harmed by the native americans.
This was the case in Tibet. If you were China what would you do watch your citizens in Tibet be beat up on and become "inferior" people compare to the Tibetan monks?
I am dropping this debate unless someone want to go make a thread about this.
You are wrong... seriously... the occupancy of tribal lands in the states is hundreds of years old and made horribly complicated by intermarriage and agreements made between the US and tribal elders and a host of other issues. China has been in Tibet what - 50 years now?
Adn again... when did the Dali Lama sanction violence in Tibet to gain it's freedom?
And do you believe this about the monks? Ever heard of Manchukuo or the Marco Polo Bridge?
So Im confused here. Was it the Dalai Lama or the male native americans who wanted to roll a fem char?
Yes, I think you both totally derailed this thread and are way offtopic with your stupid politic discussion. Not to mention that its completely incoherent. No need to go into that, save it for a different thread.
It was the Dali Lama... he surely loves his ta-ta's.
Saying something is a sin, is not exactly the same as not agreeing. From a believers standpoint , a sin is pure evil. Also, a sin is stated as fact, never as opinion. But nvm, if you dont even see that difference. Internet discussions ftl
Regarding the OP, so does this mean that Left 4 Dead and Left 4 Dead 2 will be banned in China because they let males players play Zoe and Rochelle? ZOMG!
I guess that means they will banning Tomb Raider. And Metroid. And Blood Rayne. And Bayonetta. (Actually they'll probably ban Bayonetta for other reasons lol)
What else can you expect from a country with the absurd goal of trying to control people's use of the Internet.
LOL just noticed the articles states this company has been trying to do this for TWO YEARS.
www.boingboing.net/2007/09/26/chinese-mmo-bans-ing.html
Must be working out really well for them if they're still trying to make it happen LOL. But you gotta give them credit for being persistent!
And who is to say what is right or wrong with what China does in their own country??
Dead students in Tiananmen square perhaps?
Personal Freedoms have a price. China is not a free country.
Just dont meet a lot of any dead players online or the foums, perhaps every country should decide what is appropriate and not for their own people huh?
does everyone here remember the hell journalists went though with the internet while covering the olympics?
If you stand VERY still, and close your eyes, after a minute you can actually FEEL the universe revolving around PvP.
Saying something is a sin, is not exactly the same as not agreeing. From a believers standpoint , a sin is pure evil. Also, a sin is stated as fact, never as opinion. But nvm, if you dont even see that difference. Internet discussions ftl
Churches get away with a lot of bs. The Catholic church uses scripture to justify discrimination against women. But thats the reason civilized societies dont allow religion to interfere with political speech or normal democratic life. I agree, anyone is free to do whatever they want in the privacy of their home. Privacy being the key word here, you cant just start burning crosses on your front lawn and expect the neighbors to put up with it.
Just to make things clear...
I speak for myself and no one else, unless i state otherwise mine is just an opinion. A fact is something that can be independently verified, you may challenge such but with proof. You have every right to disagree with me through sound argument, i believe in constructive debate, but baseless aggression will warrant an unkind response.
And who is to say what is right or wrong with what China does in their own country??
Dead students in Tiananmen square perhaps?
Personal Freedoms have a price. China is not a free country.
Just dont meet a lot of any dead players online or the foums, perhaps every country should decide what is appropriate and not for their own people huh?
Kool, so they just want to be left alone to oppress their people? Or in the case of Tibet they just want to be left alone to oppress someone else's people?
-At least you are in good company... Hitler, Stalin, Mussolini... they all felt the same way.
But we'll let you negotiate for us... "Peace in our time" and all that, right?
so is saying china has more freedom then western countries.
Thats just stupid. (I never claimed that)
And who is to say what is right or wrong with what China does in their own country??
Dead students in Tiananmen square perhaps?
Personal Freedoms have a price. China is not a free country.
Just dont meet a lot of any dead players online or the foums, perhaps every country should decide what is appropriate and not for their own people huh?
Kool, so they just want to be left alone to oppress their people? Or in the case of Tibet they just want to be left alone to oppress someone else's people?
-At least you are in good company... Hitler, Stalin, Mussolini... they all felt the same way.
But we'll let you negotiate for us... "Peace in our time" and all that, right?
so what country of dead students should be made King of gaming...or do we just do a hitler thing and allow a war to start over online gaming practices? surely such a reason for war would be new since we already lost milions of people for other reasons. And who would support such a war over gaming??