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Seriously, people: Why doesn't anyone want to tank?
Chlodwig
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Again I'm sitting here writing the post because my DDs can't find a group and I'm in the queue. 30 minutes so far and counting. According to the group finder, I'll have another 20 or so minutes to spare. Plenty of time to go on your nerves.
Since I have a tank (before anyone says "why don't you...?"), but even I want to level something else for a change, I wonder why? What is it that makes people roll a warrior but insist in playing the DD in a group? In all seriousness, I've seen more bear druids and pallies tanking than warriors. Even when counting myself, pretty much the only def warrior below level 60 that I know.
So it's not that people don't want to play warriors (who, unlike paladins and druids, cannot be anything but tanks or DDs in the end). And Paladins, Druids and DKs are popular anyway for their soloability. So it's not a lack of people who could.
It's also not a lack of solo survivability if you put your talents into the def tree. I level as a def warrior. Granted, it's now easier than ever with the LFG tool practically ensuring you have a group when you want it (in all seriousness, the only reason I had to wait 1 minute once before entering a dungeon was that someone refusing the invitation happened twice in a row), but even before groups became the norm for me, leveling was anything but hard. I could easily tank and down 4-6 equal level mobs without losing more than 1/2 my HP.
Is it rep cost? I can't vouch for level 80, but so far it's anything but crippling. Even if I happen to die a few times, it's usually pocket change compared to what we drag out of the dungeon.
Is it "hard"? Be reasonable. Tanking is spamming AOE taunts and rending armor. If that's hard for you, pray that WoW never ceases to exist and you'd be facing a really challenging game.
What is the reason? Why is nobody willing to tank?
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Well, did it ever cross your {mod edit} brain that someone might not like tanking?
Well, I can't speak for wow as I don't know specifically what a tank does in wow but my guess is that it's a huge responsibility to take and keep aggro, no one wants to hear the complaints if they accidentally lose aggro and it's probably not fun.
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I play a Bear tank. ^_^ 42k hp self buffed in bear. Can get around 50k in raid depending on who we got. The most Hp I have ever had was about 220k in a Wintergrasp one time lol. Had a crap ton of tenacity. Ran in the middle of bunch of alliance popped Surival Instinct and barkskin and went to swipping and mauling. I was tearing face up had like 6 people on me lol. And Pvp As a bear is really fun. Just hard to get Rage, but when you got it. It's RAWR time lol. People don't expect to be pvping something with 42k hp lol. They just can't out live me lol. However i get ded a few times. It happens So the bear isn't op or anything in pvp.
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Edit: Finished reading your post.
Warrior Tanks arn't bad. Most people that play warriors though probably enjoy pvp alot. That's the only reason i would play a warrior.
Paladin and Bear tanks are easy mode tanks. Like with me as a bear, pull with FF, Charge, Lacerate, Mangle, Laceratex4 ,Maul, Mangle Maul, Mangle, Maul, repleat until you need to Lacerate again to keep charge going. That is Single Target.
Bear AoE Tank - Charge, Swipe, Maul, Swipe, Maul, repeat ect. and if one of the targets happens to go after a party memeber stand in place keep swiping and click the target and just click taunt, while doing this you can still continue to swipe without having a target in front of you clicked. So keeping agro as a bear is pretty quit simple.
I Played Prot Paladin 1-70 back in bc. Don't play that account anymore so my new paladin is only 42. But, when i played him it was toss shield, concencrate and you pretty much had agro with righteous fury i think it was called.
And, Don't play a DK Tank, everyone does and they all suck at it. If you are however decent witha Dk which there isn't many ,at least on my server, I would say go for it. They are fun pvp and pve. My friend played DK tank , he is a tank pro though, and had a nice rotation going. Worked out well for him. Of course after the nerf of the Dks he leveled a Paladin and now plays holy paladin lol.
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Maybe thats the answer, its too easy as to be mind numbing? I haven't played WoW in years so I not sure how it is anymore but I think 80 lvl's of rend and taunt don't sound too fun.
I'll be tankkng on my DK, I am just worried about the pissing and moaning if I mess up. I will be a noob tank.
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You can't mess up tho.
In WOTLK, every tanking class has a very effective AoE tool,taunts, damage reduction abilities...
Yeah, players piss and moan.
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I am a Druid healer and have spend a lot of time in random dungeons healing group of varying capability. I cue up as Healer / DPS (Cat), because I simply do not enjoy tanking. I have never enjoyed it and likely will never truly enjoy tanking (In any MMO).
Now, I have to say .. you have a point in that so many Warriors, Paladins and DKs seem to go the DPS way and in a way I'm glad. Tanking is a job few people can do and even fewer people can do very well ...
I've run into too many Retribution Paladins and Death Knights that think that they are tanks because they wear plate. When they forget that from the point of view of a healer a DPS plate wearer is about as squishy as a Mage (maybe more).
I remember one of my guild leaders egging me on to get my hunter to 80 as fast as possible so the guild would have another DPS type for raiding, and he specifically said "we don't need any more fracking tanks".
LOL.
The principle problem I have seen is that one of the tanks isn't online when we form the group...one of our members has five or six level 80s and will bring the toon needed to fill out the group...def warrior, prot/ret pally, resto druid, hunter, whatever is needed.
I understand why there's too much DPS, but I always thought that finding a decent healer was the stumbling block for a PUG...not the tank. Of course, a seriously decent tank is a rare thing, because in a game where you can level to 80 and never be in a group, and the skills for being a tank are not needed when soloing, it's not that obvious a skill. But as someone else has already noted, the tank's main job is to taunt, keep aggro, and do a bit of damage.
The OPs milage obviously varies.
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Do you really need to make a new topic every time you have a new development in your misadventures with the new Looking For Group in WoW?
Like I already said in one of your previous topics, but you refuse to listen, is that you wont be able to find a group instantly for the below level 70 instances.
Seriously, you are complaining that it takes 30 minutes to find a group in the mid levels when before you could go days without seeing one.
I mean I havent seen a real group(no high levels) for low level instances like RFC or Wailing Caverns in years.
Also, Im thinking you are seeing less and less Warrior tanks because they are less than optimal for progression raiding. They are currently slightly above DK tanks but still far below Druids and Paladins.
I think a lot of people just lack the awareness to be a viable tank. If you are aware of your surroundings and your team mates conditions at all times it really is extremely easy to tank in WoW, but again a lot of people seem to really lack the awareness bit. Knowing this, most of these people probably dropped out on even trying to tank because they can't keep up with what is going on in the environment and react fast enough.
Also a lot of people tend to place the tank as the defacto leader, and a lot of people don't want to bother being the leader. Another factor to take note of is there are a number of players who are enamored by damage crits and DPS output.
This issue is not really exclusive to WoW however. It may be that a good chunk of people don't like playing a support role, but personally I enjoy nothing but support and tend to shy away from DPS classes. When I was playing WoW during the summer my cousin and I would form groups in a heart beat for whatever instance we wanted because I was a dual specced Holy/Prot paladin and he had a Resto shaman, and Prot warrior. So we could interchange tank/heals. DPS was a dime a dozen and probably always will be.
i dont like tanking cause most healers suck
Tanking is so heavily dependent on gear in most games in order to be "effective". In many games, anyone but the most time-invested players do not even bother anymore.
Can you tank without top-tier gear? Sure. Does skill come into play? Often. Will a bad tank ruin your group? Always. Is tanking actually even fun? All depends on your definition.
The whole "tank and spank" concept is retarded anyhow. The concept of being able to artificially generate "threat/aggro" by what, waving a hand? Taunting a monster's lineage? It is silly. Games have created this artificial mechanism that boggles the mind.
If you have a swordsman with the choice between going after the platemail-clad knight to his left or the mage in robes to his right, who do you think he is going to try to impale? Even if the knight is making fun of the guy's mother, he's more likely to quickly dispatch the mage.
Of course, I digress. My point is that I don't consider it fun to be in charge of "threat" and my biggest contribution to the group is to be beat around (and not die) when the rest of the group is damaging/healing.
I don't play WoW anymore and hardly played WOTLK on my warrior.
But the reason I got tired of tanking (with a warrior) in BC was because it was 10 times more stressful than any other class. I'm not saying it was hard, I was a very good tank and knew my class well, but warrior tanks don't have a set rotation like the other two tanks at the time.
It would just get tedious, there was never a moment you could relax in a dungeon, you had to be on it at all times. This started to wear on me and talking to other warrior tanks it was the same for them.
Not to mention it's the least appreciated job in WoW for the most amount of work, it just isn't worth it.
IIRC there's a specific defense level that you MUST exceed to survive encounters with WotLK heroic instance bosses. If your gear is not at or above that level, you'll fail as a tank, regardless of your skill. If your gear isn't up to snuff, your group will wipe.
And, yes, being a tank is stressful. Some players thrive on that, others grow weary of it. There are some tanking mistakes that cannot be recovered from.
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Thanks for the replies. It starts to get understandable.
Well, as for eq, your chance to be tossed out of a group due to a lack of eq is equally high as a DPS. Maybe even more so, simply because for every DD you take along, 30 more are queued who would instantly and gladly take his slot. But yes, WoW is an item-centric game, but that's true for every class, simple as that.
I also don't complain about a lack of Warrior-Tanks. I couldn't care less what kind of tank we get as long as we DO get one. And I was equally surprised that the roadblock between you and a group is the tank and not the healer.
But even if you suck as a tank, now is the time to make one. People will hold your hand and guide you into it, even if you wipe 3 times at the same trashmob. Not to mention that a wipe is not only and always the tank's fault. Everyone has a fair chance at fu.ing up and blowing it. Healers that don't heal in time. DDs that unwrap their big AOEs before the tank has aggro. The only difference is that it's more visible if the tank fails, and that it's easy to blame the tank if someone else does ("not my fault, HE didn't hold aggro"). But that's bull, and everyone who played this game for more than a week knows it. Especially if you don't just play a single class.
A friend of mine summed it up pretty nicely. Tank dead - healer's fault. Healer dead - tank's fault. DD dead - his own fault.
One of the reasons that tanks would rather not tank randoms at the moment is that Pathing of mobs is still buggy as shit. They run around all willy-nilly and it just makes it a chase your own tail game. Another reason is that every time the dps aoes too early, or the healer forgets to heal, the tank gets blamed. "Shoulda AoE taunted, Shoulda popped your CDs, etc" Tanks can do perfectly good at their job and a DPS or healer messes up, and they still blame the tank.
I tank, for my guild. Because they know how to play the game and I don't feel like dragging 4 other brain dead WoW players through heroics.
One thing players can do is refuse to accept Druids, Paladins, and Warriors in a DPS role. Melee DPS is inherently inferior to ranged, anyway, and Druids ought to be tanking or healing.
DPS specs for hybrids are for soloing.
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The fact is, good tanks are quickly snapped up by raiding guilds and will run instances with their guildies, whom they know are not tards. I got sick of waiting to find tanks so I rolled a pally just so I wouldn't have to wait for a group.
The issue as I see it, say tanking Drek, is that a bunch of hairless kids are big bad Dks or Warriors and are afraid of getting killed in front of others........
Seriously, people: Why doesn't anyone want to tank?
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Well, I can't speak for wow as I don't know specifically what a tank does in wow but my guess is that it's a huge responsibility to take and keep aggro, no one wants to hear the complaints if they accidentally lose aggro and it's probably not fun.
I am leveling a tank right now; lvl 45 atm. The good news is that I get a group almost immediately. The bad news is illustrated above.
Prior to patch 3.3, there were no dungeon groups to be had, hence, I had leveled my tank up from 1 to 42 solo and in bg's. Hence, once the patch was live I was excited I'd get a chance to 'learn' tanking prior to my 70's. Nothing scared me more than going into Northrend essentially never having the practice the lower dungeons give you in holding aggro.
Unfortunately, some of the groups I've had simply don't understand that these lower dungeons are a learning process for tanks and healers and it has completely slipped by them that this is where dps should also learn aggro management. I feel a lot of the dps are used to being lvl 80 with a well-practiced tank who can hold aggro off their poor aggro management skills.
Needless to say, it is a fine line you have to walk to explain this to the group - but never fear. If they qq and quit - as a tank, you'll be right back a dungeon while they sit and queue for a lifetime wondering why there aren't any tanks.
The DD has the less responsability in the group. the tank and the healer the most. Most people dont like having responsability.
I've tanked on several different games (Prot Warrior on WoW) and the biggest reason I've had to want to stop tanking is that it is the hardest role, requires taking most of the responsibility and has the least amount of room for error. You're expected to know every fight in every instance/area and control every situation so everyone makes it out with no deaths and do all of it in record setting time.
Now get the right group together and you, as the tank, can do all of this and its a hell of a lot of fun to enter an instance and come out the other side with no mistakes and have half the group say how awesome it was... But get a group with 1 or 2 idiots in it and its 10x more stressful and not any fun at all. One guy that wants to pull everything cause they think you're not going fast enough, one guy who doesn't care about the kill order because he can do more DPS by attacking a certain mob or someone who constantly breaks CC because they just want to AE cause its fun.
why because of the mecanic ,i ll tell a small story.
tank goes in group (warrior)hes tanking make an error bam yelling all over the wow chat WHERES THE FUCKING TANK,HELP ME ETc
its a thankless job in the good situation and then you d think player would understand it if warrior loot the junk stuff like the gray item some cloth if none want thenm etc
why?did you ever check cost repair for a tank.
they are astronomical !only tank has this big repair bill nobody else
there you have it the biggest issue of why nobody want to tank or heal tho is because they are underappreciated
most of the time it will be that freaking healer bla bla,or that tank blalblabla
i was a tank and i was a healer and i dont like the feeling i got there ,bear are more accepted and paladin a bit since some player tanked great
but in all seriousness most of the time player act like they HATE their tank or healer
and thats why player stay away from those proffession.lol often guild have to say to futur recruit we only need healer or tank
if they didnt they often wouldnt get any of them lol