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I once took a special poo. It stank, and it was full of bad stuff like e.coli, but it sure was special. So I asked ,"why should I keep you around Mr. Special Poo", and I expected to to get up and dance or something. I told it to give me a reason not to flush you, but it couldn't, and then I realized that even if this poo was special.. it is still a piece of shat. I flushed.
lol you just make my day eheehe
I am glad you enjoy the game. I just want someone to tell us why we should play it.
Are you ignoring me?
Still waiting for the evidence to support your accusations!!! Come on, Prove I work for QO LLC. I beg you. Got to see how this one turns out
To answer your question - No-one should tell anyone they should play it. The forum is not about you telling me I should do this or do that!!
Take this slow please or it may hurt - Maybe people should consider it because even with a LOTS of problems, there is enough there where it could still be fun. Best way for anything in life, is try it yourselve.
With the free trial plus the software down to $20, it is not exactly a fortune.
It is extremely playable - 99.99% of my time playing Alganon was just that, playing and not dealing with issues or problems or weird systems..
Based on my experience up to lvl 15 on one toon and working on second toon:
I spent $50 on Aion and $50 on Fallen Earth only to find out I did not like them. $100 plus tax down drain.
Just look at the flames on the Steam Forums about the cost of the RailWorks downloadable content plus quality issues. Put in perspective, $20 is not that much!!!
You do not have to work for QC LLC or any other company to see that $20 is not bad for a new game!!! That was the whole point of mentioning $20. At it's normal price of $40 and $15 per month it is too expensive for how it is at the moment. But at $20 and $9.95 a month, it seems a much better deal and not so much of a risk.
So there are some reasons why you might like to consider Alganon.
That might be true but there is no reason to assume that anyone that likes a game is payed for his opinion, particularly without any proof.
We seen a lot of other claims like this here about all kinds of companies, Blizzard and Funcom are 2 common but as far as I know these are just nasty rumors.
So lets not go there, if you don't like the game that is fine (never played it myself and have no opinion about it) but just explain why. The OP isn't a moron just because he likes a game and you doesn't, and that doesn't make him payed to have the opnion either.
Prove it or stop accuse people of things like that.
lol you just make my day eheehe
Well if you talk to your poo, that explains a lot.
There are people that can help you.
lol you just make my day eheehe
Well if you talk to your poo, that explains a lot.
There are people that can help you.
Haha again you attack with insult your are soo desperate.
lol you just make my day eheehe
Well if you talk to your poo, that explains a lot.
There are people that can help you.
Haha again you attack with insult your are soo desperate.
Silok,
If I did work for QO LLC, I would have to thank you and your bosom pals.
Without realizing it, you are helping to raise the profile of Alganon.
Did not realize that the Bosom Pals were so gullible.
Keep the good work up.
P.S. Alganon is still fun and just try it out - you may agree.
lol you just make my day eheehe
Well if you talk to your poo, that explains a lot.
There are people that can help you.
Haha again you attack with insult your are soo desperate.
Silok,
If I did work for QO LLC, I would have to thank you and your bosom pals.
Without realizing it, you are helping to raise the profile of Alganon.
Did not realize that the Bosom Pals were so gullible.
Keep the good work up.
P.S. Alganon is still fun and just try it out - you may agree.
Haha geez your are so helpless... i dont care about raising the profile or what ever... in the last hours you have amuse me that all... you desperate move are funny and when we dont buy it you just use the insult card lol. And i dont have any pals here you can kepp you'' bosom pal thing to yourself.
P.S for your P.S , i have already tried it and this game is carbagge for me (bug, empty, copy, bad animation, broken, laggy, still in alpha stage etc) but if you like it just go play it why you are still here?? By the way for me this game is so broken, no advertising can save it but this is my opinion surely not yours.
Well, there is NO DOUBT (IMHO), that any large company, with millions at stake,will probably have some direct or indirect usage of paid forum posters (positive posts for their game and negative posts against their competition). Just because you cannot prove that a particular company participates in this, doesn't mean they do not. People really don't get it. One person, making let's say 100 posts a day, at say $2 - $5 a post only would make $$1400 - $3500 a month. 100 posts, on various forums, would do a ton to get the ball rolling.
Social Engineering is a FACT. You see it used in things such as commercials (has been going on forever), politics, work, school, college and so on. It gets you to purchase tap water at the store, pay another $50 for slightly upgraded Madden NFL graphics and roster updates (which really cost nothing), or even used in discussion flow in forums to ENGINEER a particular emotion.
With consistency, you can build momentum and recruit, without knowledge to them, followers who march along with your particular agenda. It's really a different form of viral marketing. Though, one might question the ethics of this particular endeavour, it's really only a symptom of a capitalistic (a tame/politically correct way of deploying the survival of the fittest mentality) society. If you accept that particular society, ethically, you're saying you have nothing against social engineering (and thus, MMORPG companies directly or indirectly using paid forum posters to influence consumers).
splat
TL;DR/DWTR: Flaming people in response to a response automagically generates more flames and insults. Vicious cycle is vicious.
I want to ask people to reread the very first response and then reread MugHug's response. Since the people defending MugHug seem to believe that they are being unfairly picked on.
First read this snippet from the original post, so you can get a feel for the context in which Doomreaper used the word "sell."
Yes, part of me posts because I wish to see more people on the servers.
Now I will post the first two responses for you:
DoomReaper:
Rest of your post... Happy Alganon gaming, you're obviously enjoying it. Shame you have to resort to this approach to sell the game but *shrug* the free trial (yes, that's meant to be trial, they typed 'trail' on the email by mistake) hasn't made a noticable difference to the population deficiency I endure on Adrios.
Wishes them happy gaming, says he obviously enjoys it, and says it's a shame the person had to resort to this approach to sell the game. Never claimed they were working for QoL, simply stated they were trying to sell the game, which they were. You can try to sell people on an idea, a game, or anything without ever having to be paid by a company. People do it all the time, word of mouth is a very powerful way to promote a game.
That being said, MugHugs post was nothing but pure spite and rage:
"Exactly the kind of person I mentioned in my post.
Already starting off with an insult.
Your first mistake, I am not selling the game, Because I actually find it has something to offer, I am trying to inform people that it may be worth trying. No more and no less.
The idea of selling seemed more in line with the idea of selling people on an idea, not actual selling.
What are you offering viewers of this forum with posts like yours?
Another insult that has nothing to do with the post.
And if you feel that 'DoomReaper' is a cool handle plus the tone of your posts, one can suspect that you are either extremely young of age or wanting in maturity. Not exactly a person who people can trust for subjective advise.
Here is the biggest attack -- the person (Doomreaper) has already said he plays the game, and the server he plays on. He hasn't insulted Mughug in his post, but suddenly he is being called immature, young and untrustworthy. Also the snide comment about his "handle" being cool...
That is about all I need to say in reply to your post/s."
Then this, as if closing it like this wouldn't lead to more flaming.
While it's great that everyone wants to jump in and defend Mughug, the problem is that Mug brought this entirely upon themselves the moment they decided to act condescending towards Doomreaper for little more than an off handed comment. Stop blindly acting chivalrous, and realize that the entire issue would have probably never been a flame war if MugHug had decided not to randomly flame Doomreaper.
After rereading the first few replies I truly think that MugHug came here with the intention of starting a fight, which is sad and probably a symptom of the boards in general. Though I tried the game and can't think of a reason to play it, I wish MugHug the best in playing the game if they truly enjoy it.
To be honest I think the biggest reason why people automatically assume that some level of social engineering is going on when people post about the game is caused by QoL. Take a look at the way they have elected to market the game in general. In beta it was "get as many friends as you can to buy the game for us to win your name on some NPC" contest. Then it was, post and vote for us on massively.com, throw in several posts with them telling people to spread the word where ever and when ever they can, you get the picture. I understand -- small company, low budget, needs all the help they can get.
But, when your first contest is a pyramid scheme, people get a negative view on how their marketing is done.
Honestly, I have nothing against QoL wanting their players (and posting things) to tell their friends and spread the word about Alganon. These players are either going to do it, on their own, or they won't. However, I do dislike the usage of paid posters to drive a particular agenda against a particular company.
It'd be like, let's say, the Democrats or Republicans completely funding a 'grass roots' initiative and pretending they are not to give the impression that it's completely independent from them.
splat
Whether you dislike it or not, continuing to incite a flame war isn't going to solve any issues that have been brought up. There are people on one side, and there are people on another. They are both shouting back and forth calling each other doo-doo heads and what have you. Playing both sides of the fence is only going to keep the flames going longer.
Yet, to get back to a major point of contention, why bother jumping into a fight, telling one side they are "asshats" and "morons" when clearly, the person being "picked-on" actually started to fight in the first place and seemingly intended to pick a fight?
Nope, I did not come here to start a fight.
So DoomReaper has evidence that I work for QO LLC!!!
Now you can see into my mind and tell me things I did not even know.
Come on, not another expert on everything.
Yes, I admit I have a weak point - If someone wants to mouth off at me then I will give as good as I get - Now hold onto your hats for this one - I accept I am not perfect (unlike the Bosom Pals) but I have the guts to admit it.
The one point you selected to omit is that he cast the first stone regardless. Are you classing his post as a constructive, postive and neutral comment?
Well, I found it hard to take it like that.
Hold on, what about his accussations that I work for QO LLC and he avoided providing evidence when I asked him to. What a statement to make!!! He hints at that in his first post!!!!
That is a downright lie that when pushed into a corner he avoided to answer. If he was so right, then why did he not provide the evidence instead of moving onto other things to insult over?
You seem to know all the answers - Well pray tell me or do we have one more person who make statements but cannot prove them?
If you want to lock horns with me, then be prepared to take it too.
You seem selective in what you point out in your post.
Just on you avoiding the point of the accussation (on more then one thread), your post fails the requirments for a constructive, postive, balanced and neutral post.
To be honest, you words may be toned down a bit, but you are no better then anyone else who has been active tonight in this.
You haven't come to fight, but you continue to fight either way? No one is locking horns with you, perhaps you need to log off for the night. I have done nothing but point out that you simply took an offhanded comment and made a war out of it, then took it further and mocked somebody you don't even know. Someone, I might add, who plays the game that you want everyone else to play.
As you said, you found it hard to think of Doomreapers response as being positive (when he actually said nothing bad to you -- go read it and tell us what he said that was not positive) meaning that you were already looking for a reason to start a fight, just as you are looking to continue one right now.
I am not selective in what I point out -- I pointed on both posts in entirety. You are selective in what you feel is insulting and in return attack and lash out.
Since you want to say he cast the first stone -- what stone did he cast that you hadn't admitted to doing?
Sorry, tried it. Game sucks. Terrible. Hope the company goes out of business.
Another of the Bosom Pals!!
OK, If you can prove I am employed or connected with QO, LLC in any way apart from opening a player account a few days ago and using the services purely as a player, I will give you $100.00 and I mean it. I will even commit to $1000. No, make it $10,000.
And I mean it.
You prove I am a developer or work for the company and you get your money. Provide the evidence that you have collected and post it here, otherwise shut up and stop wasting people's time.
If you are not willing to do that or try to move the thread away from proving your point and providing evidence, then you just proved you are full of it.
The reason why I am willing to type that is I have no feel of losting that bet because like the rest of your information, it came straight out of your empty head.
Now onto the game -- remeMber the point of the thread.
YES, IT HAS A LOT, I MEAN A LOT OF MAJOR FAULTS - THAT INCLUDES A LOT OF WHAT YOU SAY.
BUT KNOW WHAT, I STILL THINK IT IS FUN TO PLAY.
THAT IS MAYBE WHAT IS SO WEIRD - IT WAS RELEASE TOO SOON LIKE A LOT OF MMORPGS OUT THERE, IT HAS A LOT OF ISSUES LIKE A LOT OF GAMES OUT THERE.
BUT I ACTUALLY STILL ENJOY IT.
IT IS REALLY WHAT I CALL A BETA, UNDERSTAND A BETA. A BETA WITH ALL THE THINGS YOU EXPECT IN A BETA - BUT THEY SELL IT AS A RETAIL - I KNOW THAT CAN BE SAID ABOUT HELL OF A LOT OF MMORPGS ON RELEASE AND SOME STILL ARE IN BETA STATE.
BUT FOR SOME REASON, I CAN LOOK BEYOND THAT BECAUSE I AM HAVING FUN.
REGARDLESS OF ALL THE ISSUES, I CANNOT HELP BUT LIKE THE GAME AND SORRY, BUT I AM ACTUALLY HAVING A LOT OF FUN.
YES, SORRY I AM HAVING FUN PLAYING ALGANON, I CANNOT EXPLAIN IT AND I ACTUALLY I AM FOND OF IT FOR SOME REASON.
SO JUST LEARN TO LIVE WITH IT.
IN THE REAL WORLD PEOPLE ARE SUPPOSE TO BE ALLOWED TO EXPRESS DIFFERENT OPTIONS - IF YOU WOULD ALLOW THEM TO - WITHOUT SHOOTING THEM DOWN.
So, please could you and your bosom pals at least try to be a bit more constructive if you are going to bother to post.
The part of the story that just doesn't add up to most of us is that after your browsing around and finding Alganon to be such a wonderful game, you then decided to create a new account on a forum where NO ONE KNOWS YOU to let everyone know you decided to play Alganon. Riiiiiiiiiiight.........
A forum I might add that is fairly hostile towards Alganon....if you hadn't already noticed.
Keep on sticking with your story though. We'll stick with ours. We know after about two weeks, your account will never be logged in again like all the other marketing accounts.
*EDIT*
As an aside, where are you really from. I was raised in Cali near Long Beach and I've never heard anyone use the word bosom in the context you are....it sounds like your translator might need some refining
Another Bosom Pal who has all the answers!!!
I am English and have lived over here in LB, CA for 13 odd years.
Like to meet up for a drink and face to face chat?
You could be the one to prove that I work for QO LLC and that I am lying?
I am game, are you?
Hopefully, when pushed you will not make excuses or avoid issues like the other Bosom Pals!!!
You haven't come to fight, but you continue to fight either way? No one is locking horns with you, perhaps you need to log off for the night. I have done nothing but point out that you simply took an offhanded comment and made a war out of it, then took it further and mocked somebody you don't even know. Someone, I might add, who plays the game that you want everyone else to play.
As you said, you found it hard to think of Doomreapers response as being positive (when he actually said nothing bad to you -- go read it and tell us what he said that was not positive) meaning that you were already looking for a reason to start a fight, just as you are looking to continue one right now.
I am not selective in what I point out -- I pointed on both posts in entirety. You are selective in what you feel is insulting and in return attack and lash out.
Since you want to say he cast the first stone -- what stone did he cast that you hadn't admitted to doing?
Your last line does not make sense.
Anyway, do you denie that he accussed me of trying to sell the game? Do you denie that he accused me of working for QO LLC?
Do you denie that you forgot to highlight that in your post?
No better then anyone else here, regardless of how you pretend how you sound.
Whether you dislike it or not, continuing to incite a flame war isn't going to solve any issues that have been brought up. There are people on one side, and there are people on another. They are both shouting back and forth calling each other doo-doo heads and what have you. Playing both sides of the fence is only going to keep the flames going longer.
Yet, to get back to a major point of contention, why bother jumping into a fight, telling one side they are "asshats" and "morons" when clearly, the person being "picked-on" actually started to fight in the first place and seemingly intended to pick a fight?
I'm sorry, but my little bit of gas, dropped in a flame war isn't going to increase it's intensity. From the look of things, the hate brigade has already pushed the flame war to peak heights. Now, I understand, the haters really dislike someone who can easily counter their childish ranting, but doesn't mean I'm trolling or flaming.
splat
You haven't come to fight, but you continue to fight either way? No one is locking horns with you, perhaps you need to log off for the night. I have done nothing but point out that you simply took an offhanded comment and made a war out of it, then took it further and mocked somebody you don't even know. Someone, I might add, who plays the game that you want everyone else to play.
As you said, you found it hard to think of Doomreapers response as being positive (when he actually said nothing bad to you -- go read it and tell us what he said that was not positive) meaning that you were already looking for a reason to start a fight, just as you are looking to continue one right now.
I am not selective in what I point out -- I pointed on both posts in entirety. You are selective in what you feel is insulting and in return attack and lash out.
Since you want to say he cast the first stone -- what stone did he cast that you hadn't admitted to doing?
Your last line does not make sense.
Anyway, do you denie that he accussed me of trying to sell the game? Do you denie that he accused me of working for QO LLC?
Do you denie that you forgot to highlight that in your post?
No better then anyone else here, regardless of how you pretend how you sound.
actually no he never said you worked for QO LLC, and i believe what he ment buy you "selling the game" was more about you trying to win people over with your review. now others like myself did say we believed you to be paid, and believed so based on your post history and sign up date and how belligerent you get about the game resorting to name calling and what not.
So, according to you, some of the strong points of Alganon are :
# Can get stuck on trees sometimes,
# No breaking issues with quests or NPCs
# Mounts work fine
# Auction house works find but kinda empty
# have to pickup loot a second time for it to work.
# Combat seems typical, standard and works.
# Clothes are a bit generic and plain.
# Races and Classes are a bit generic and too few
# Portals work fine
# Water looks better then I remember from WoW.
# Client drops connection about twice a night
# Similar UI to WoW
# Some error messages about missing objects
M i missing something here?
Rawr.
Latella, are you a paid shill from Blizzard, trying to disguise yourself as an average WoW player with your "M I", which seems to try and divert our attention away to the fact that your account was made on 12/27/09? Of course, I'm not at all serious here. *smiles, but then shoots a suspicious look at Latella* J/k!
splat
You haven't come to fight, but you continue to fight either way? No one is locking horns with you, perhaps you need to log off for the night. I have done nothing but point out that you simply took an offhanded comment and made a war out of it, then took it further and mocked somebody you don't even know. Someone, I might add, who plays the game that you want everyone else to play.
As you said, you found it hard to think of Doomreapers response as being positive (when he actually said nothing bad to you -- go read it and tell us what he said that was not positive) meaning that you were already looking for a reason to start a fight, just as you are looking to continue one right now.
I am not selective in what I point out -- I pointed on both posts in entirety. You are selective in what you feel is insulting and in return attack and lash out.
Since you want to say he cast the first stone -- what stone did he cast that you hadn't admitted to doing?
Your last line does not make sense.
Anyway, do you denie that he accussed me of trying to sell the game? Do you denie that he accused me of working for QO LLC?
Do you denie that you forgot to highlight that in your post?
No better then anyone else here, regardless of how you pretend how you sound.
actually no he never said you worked for QO LLC, and i believe what he ment buy you "selling the game" was more about you trying to win people over with your review. now others like myself did say we believed you to be paid, and believed so based on your post history and sign up date and how belligerent you get about the game resorting to name calling and what not.
You clearly are not aware of all the contents of his posts.
Firstly, to quote him from his first post 'Shame you have to resort to this approach to sell the game'. Why is it a shame and why use the word 'sell'? Please explain.
Second, to quote him again 'Oh dear lord, when will these Alganon Devs stop creating profiles to try to sell the game to people. Quite a few things scream out that this is nothing more than viral marketing and anyone who can see past their own ass would know this.'
That is the opening paragraph that opens a post that qutoes my post in great detail.
Next we have him stating:
'Our motivation is to stop people from playing this game that you yourself can't even tell us why you like it. Also to stop QoL from viral marketing... Marak Dragandor level 15.
MugHug Alganon Lover description of the game:
He finishes with:
Oh and we all know you are Xyltan.
And who is Xyltan?
And I have just quoted from one page of one thread!!
Then we get people like Einherjar_LC making quotes like 'market your crap game somewhere else.' to me.
If you bother to read around a bit more, it seems there is a sub-set of members that flame virtually anyone that comes here to be positive about Alganon. It seems being poistive about it = employee of QO LLC in their eys. If anything it seems like they treat this thread as their own private turf and you better watch out. Just reading old posts show this has been going on well before I came here.
If you want to stay blind to all the evidence, that is your problem. If you wish to denie the facts then at least, please stay out of the conversations.
Latella, are you a paid shill from Blizzard, trying to disguise yourself as an average WoW player with your "M I", which seems to try and divert our attention away to the fact that your account was made on 12/27/09? Of course, I'm not at all serious here. *smiles, but then shoots a suspicious look at Latella* J/k!
Nah, it´s just up until now i never had a reason to post, i would go into mmorpg.com , find a cool beta offer, make an account to try said beta, and then forget about the site for a few months, thus forgetting my log in details.
However, i would not mind being paid! where do i sign up? haha
Today i was searching for a new mmorpg to play, and i started reading about Alganon, and found this post, on which i do not manage to find a single good point about the game, so i decided to stick around because i find the arguement going on quite amusing .
( And i really meant what i typed, i do not see how those are GOOD points about any game )
That´s all.
Rawr.
Latella, are you a paid shill from Blizzard, trying to disguise yourself as an average WoW player with your "M I", which seems to try and divert our attention away to the fact that your account was made on 12/27/09? Of course, I'm not at all serious here. *smiles, but then shoots a suspicious look at Latella* J/k!
Nah, it´s just up until now i never had a reason to post, i would go into mmorpg.com , find a cool beta offer, make an account to try said beta, and then forget about the site for a few months, thus forgetting my log in details.
However, i would not mind being paid! where do i sign up? haha
Today i was searching for a new mmorpg to play, and i started reading about Alganon, and found this post, on which i do not manage to find a single good point about the game, so i decided to stick around because i find the arguement going on quite amusing .
( And i really meant what i typed, i do not see how those are GOOD points about any gamee )
That´s all.
Glad we could entertain you.