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Casual is misused these days.
Difference between casual and non-casual is skill, not time. Just an excuse for bad players poor performance.
Back when I played WoW, they were stuck in Molten Core. That was how it should have been. Now they do the same instances as anyone else.
See the difference is that casuals view games as a form of entertainment. They play it for fun and amusement.
You 'oldschoolers' want these games to be like work so you can 'work' hard and achieve crap to brag about and boost your egos.
My advice: Suck it up or go play those mediocre indie games.
Get the fuck over it.
No, the difference between casual and non casual is not skill, it is time. I play games when I can, because I have other responsiblities. I am a casual gamer. That doesnt mean I do not have the skill level of a hard core gamer, just means I dont have the time to put into it. You are using the term incorrectly in order to find something useless to whine about.
You failed to answer my last question. I will repeat it for you. Have you ever left your parents' basement and seen the light of the sun? Some odd reason, I see you like a modern day Gollum, holding your WoW cd, petting it, saying over and over again "My precious."
Most people who label themselves as casual just suck at the game. It's not that they spend any less time on it. They use casual-ness as an excuse because they can not handle the game.
They will whine about PVE content not being casual friendly so much that Blizzard has to provide zones where the boss is just sititng there and takes a minute to kill.
Clearing trash was even too hard for these horrible players to do. Lot of difficult trash NPCs were removed from the game (see BWL 40, the trash there was as tough as the bosses in newer instances)
People who raid an instance and give up after the first wipe, maybe they can go play tic tac toe or some other skill-less game instead of polluting the MMORPG genre with retarded and dumbed down game content.
Because I am better than bad players at MMORPGs, I live in my parents basement now?
Typical casual-talk. Whenever someone is better than them they say its time investment when it's skill. Those old instances were removed because of skill, not time. They couldn't even handle Molten Core FFS.
The facts are that hard core gamers will not give up and will try difficult game content.
A casual will say the zone is too hard without entering it, until Blizzard dumbs down their game enough that loot walks outside of the instance to them.
Because I am better than bad players at MMORPGs, I live in my parents basement now?
Typical casual-talk. Whenever someone is better than them they say its time investment when it's skill. Those old instances were removed because of skill, not time. They couldn't even handle Molten Core FFS.
The facts are that hard core gamers will not give up and will try difficult game content.
A casual will say the zone is too hard without entering it, until Blizzard dumbs down their game enough that loot walks outside of the instance to them.
No, I say you live in your parents basement because you seem like a sad lonely person who feels their only merit is in a game. I have known many hardcore gamers who enjoyed their hobby and dont hold this bitterness to casual gamers as you do.
As for you being more skilled than I am in MMOs, some odd reason I doubt it. I said I am a casual gamer, never said I wasnt skilled. Beyond that, I prefer to play games that actually require skill, something WoW doesnt require. To say you are a skilled WoW gamer is like saying you are the brightest on a short bus.
Simple as this, Blizzard removed things from the game you liked, and now you have to find someone to blame about it. Lets go after people who have something you dont have, that is a life.
My god how do you people deal with this guy?
This is exactly why I hardly ever post on these forums it's like a breeding ground for ignorance.
And I've always thought the notion that anything in a video game is inherently hard was ridiculous unless you have some kind of physical or mental disability.
You are not better at pressing buttons than anyone else dude, at least not better at anything that matters in the slightest, and you definitely aren't more intelligent you've proven that time and time again.
I just skip past his posts and just have fun reading all the people that are smarter than him
I deal with him simply because I am bored at work and he entertains me.
I just skip past his posts and just have fun reading all the people that are smarter than him
I am better, that is why my guild did Naxx40 while you guys were stuck wiping on the rubble-rousers & trash running around Molten Core.
I'm world first material in any game I play. That is why I don't find any challenge to brainless MMORPGs like WoW.
WoW = larger time investment than any other MMORPG, and the bad part is it's dumbed down content that isn't fun.
WoW is no more casual than EQ was. EQ required less time investment, the difference was skill level.
But you can continue to play WoW 4 hours a day and claim it is some sort of casual game. It has become a game for people who can't think and plan. EQ on the other hand, that required some skill and coordination.
Blah blah blah blah.
*grabs popcorn*
yay! Another 'Oh woe is me' thread.
Like it or not 'casuals' as you call em make up the majority of player bases... That's where the term 'niche game' came in.. For those games catering to the MINORITY. All those 'hardcore' 'this thing is ezmode' people need to either accept it or move on. You have a choice if you dont like how a game is going.. dont buy it or dont resubscribe.
Skill at a video game, lol. There is no skill, there is applied knowledge and if you want say that is skill then so be it. Hit a 90 mph fastball with a baseball bat, now that is skill.
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You owe me a new keyboard.
Playing: EVE, Final Fantasy 13, Uncharted 2, Need for Speed: Shift
I don't have an issue with casuals, or people who can't invest much time in a game.
I have an issue with players CALLING THEMSELVES casuals when they are dumb players who can't handle raid content. My guild can't do MC40, we are casuals. We can't do BWL, we are casuals.
But they aren't really casuals, because they can invest the time. They are just bad players, bad at games. They want the game they are playing to be dumbed down for them. For some reason, these players felt that BWL and AQ and Naxx40 were inaccessible to them. It's like they were too lazy to zone in and try raiding, so they whine all day until their game is at their own level.
Now if you go and log onto WoW, all the content is like that anymore. It's all dumbed down and the same. Another expansion? Not a challenge, just more dumbed down content that is accessible to everyone regardless of skill level/effort.
That would require him to leave the house and see the sun. We all know that won't occur.
Dude, you are not going to win this. I would stop while I was ahead if I were you.
Let's examine your past for a moment shall we?
So are you going to try and tell me you went in and cleared BWL and Naxx solo? I am going to venture ahead and say no.
You did so with 39 other people who had just as little to do in real life than you did. These are typically called guilds, though they can also be called pugs if you all do not share the same little tag under your names.
So.....
"Casuals" of that era didn't have guilds of 39 lifeless people to take them in, casual players also didn't have the time it took to get attunement and gear checks for those encounters either, due to T I M E . It had nothing to do with S K I L L.
I did those encounters, but I also knew countless players without guilds, who were just as good at their classes as I was who couldn't go into them, because they didn't have the time to do it properly.
Now if you are going to argue that it didn't take time to get ready for those places, you would just be kidding yourself, and would already be calling yourself a liar from previous post you made.
Hell most casual players didn't have the time needed to sit around and try to pug together 40 ready players to even go in.
This is why wow "dumb down" the 40 mans and made 10-25's.
The 39 others you went into BWL didn't all have skills, they just had enough people around them organized enough to go through it. With that many people to lean on, it wasn't hard to clear stuff.
Once again, you assumptions of the wow past is jaded and wrong. Casual just means time, and I know plenty of casuals that would hand you your ass in wow.
I can direct them to you if you like. You can all sit around and count your purples together.
{ Mod Edit }
EQ required skill.
Want to raid Behemoth? Have 4 skilled kiters who don't allow spiders to the central room
Want to kill RZ? Have skilled enchanters who know how to do real crowd control.
Maybe WoW doesn't have skill, but older MMORPGs did.
39 other people with as little to do IRL as me? Are you going to claim WoW now requires less time than it used to? The amount of instances in the game, the BGs, etc. There is more trivial content to do, it's more of a time sink than it ever has been.
It only got dumber, that's the difference between what it used to be.
Countless players without guilds? What is wrong, WoW players weren't smart enough to form guilds and raid content? They were not ambitious, it had nothing to do with time investments. Players are lazy, they don't want to form guilds or lead anything. People would rather sit in ironforge whining about how hard BWL40 is for 10 hours/day rather than building guilds to raid that content.
Lots of guilds have 40 people, but only like 1% of them were capable of running zones like AQ and Naxx. They were usually stuck in MC. They gave up easily too, so they would clear half of MC then come back next week. They give up too easily... That was the only difference, they don't want to learn things
Yeah, casuals would beat my old character since I haven't played, and they've been getting welfare epics from Blizzard. I had all that Naxx gear that no one had, and then the 1 man quest gear was better than it after the expansion was released. And after that, all of the challenging content was systematically dumbed down and erased from the game.
Massive amounts of trivial instances and timesinks were added, which yielded lots of welfare epics to these players who never had anything. Everyone had to wear the same gear because it was the best and it was free.
Hand my ass to me? I was on top of their stacked Arena system when I played, don't be ridiculous. Like trash newbies who couldn't handle MC would ever have a chance vs a semi skilled player.
Again, don't confuse time and skill.
WoW is now time based, it used to be skill-based, a long time ago.
Hey Ginkeq, let me ask you something. If you're so pro, answer this: Who put the razz in the razzmatazz?
{ Mod Edit }
EQ required skill.
Want to raid Behemoth? Have 4 skilled kiters who don't allow spiders to the central room
Want to kill RZ? Have skilled enchanters who know how to do real crowd control.
Maybe WoW doesn't have skill, but older MMORPGs did.
I guess by a technicality that's considered a "skill".
But the point is most normal individuals choose to use time towards learning something a little more useful.
Nearly everyone has the capacity to be a good kiter but few want to waste their time.
And as you can see it goes full circle back to time again.
{ Mod Edit }
EQ required skill.
Want to raid Behemoth? Have 4 skilled kiters who don't allow spiders to the central room
Want to kill RZ? Have skilled enchanters who know how to do real crowd control.
Maybe WoW doesn't have skill, but older MMORPGs did.
Didnt you just go off about how "casuals" had no skill in WoW because they couldnt run all the mishs you did. Now because you get called out as you have, you are now saying maybe WoW doesnt require skill, but older games did.
{ Mod Edit }
EQ required skill.
Want to raid Behemoth? Have 4 skilled kiters who don't allow spiders to the central room
Want to kill RZ? Have skilled enchanters who know how to do real crowd control.
Maybe WoW doesn't have skill, but older MMORPGs did.
Define skill in a video game.
Once upon a time there were two groups of heroes trying to best a giant dragon. Both groups have one person that messes things up and causes the rest to die a horrible death. The reactions of each group have been written down in history...
The self proclaimed old school group:
"OMG U EFING NUB!!!111"
" HOW THE F*** CAN U B SO F***ING WAAAAAAGGGHHHHH!!!!1111"
" We should have been f****ing looting our epics now!"
The casual bunch:
"haha omg man how did you manage that? hehe so freakin funny!"
"honestly, I am pissing myself laughing atm!"
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There are other reasons than skill and time that make some of us run the other way when people call themselves "oldschool", usually they are just a bunch of elitist pricks that suck the joy out of everything.
I'd rather wipe on easy bosses with laughter than see one person whine about damage meters or gear in an smooth run through the hardest dungeon.
Fun >>>>> everything else.
Besides... I have seen so many players that had no clue how to play their class while they were clearing BWL in the days. The so called elitists had/have no more skill than the casuals, they just have other priorities.
I've been playing mmorpgs for over 10 years now and I can never understand the concept of them being "dumbed down". IMO mmos have worked to remove as much downtime as possible between encounters. I dont think that qualifies as dumbed down. More and more hardcore gamers find themselves no longer "leet" because it takes less time, not necessarily effort, to achieve most of the rewards nowadays. That's just the way games have evolved. This is mostly due to us old school gamers that steered them in this direction with our feedback over the years. The "casuals" only came on board relatively recently.
eh...I probably qualify as a "carebear" though because I never really cared for pvp. I do it when the game requires and am not that bad at it. I just prefer to work with people to achieve a common goal, not fight them for it.