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Hype went out the door...
Albytaps
Member Posts: 208
I was really looking forward to this game way back when it was first announced, then cancelled, then Cryptic took over....
After trying out CO my expectations for this game went out the door. I'm almost 100% positive that this game will be crap. Even if people are having fun with it now, they probably just have "new mmorpg fever." I had it with CO for a few days before giving up. Also having to keep up with PC specs to have the best graphics availible is a PITA.
If STO ends up being what I think it'll be, I'll add Cryptic to my list of "stay away from their mmo's" list. SOE is at the top of that list right now but they'll probably stay up there forever.
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While your opinion on cryptic is valid the above statement is not.
This is nothing new with pc games and you may as well cross over to console gaming if this will be a problem for you,or you will have to stay with older gen games...such is life and progress.
If someone had came up to me in 1980 when I was on my Atari 2600 and said we will be playing games with thousands of people at the same time.I guess my response would have been,"but I only have 2 joysticks"
http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/235780/page/8
I cannot say to much because the NDA is still in place but i tell you the game is fun to a point. Do i think the game is ready for release nope not evan close maybe in 6 months it will be ok but right now this close to release its not ready to go. I will say it dose have a Star trekish feel but again i will not go to far into everything.Untill the NDA is lifted.
While your opinion on cryptic is valid the above statement is not.
This is nothing new with pc games and you may as well cross over to console gaming if this will be a problem for you,or you will have to stay with older gen games...such is life and progress.
I understand that and trust me, I am at the point of switching to console gaming. My expectations are to play FFXIV on the PS3 for the most part, but also have the PC version.
Now, I'm talking about companies that make their games where non-high end gaming pc's run them slow or with crappy settings. WoW was successful staying away from that formula and so was FFXI... and they happen to be my 2 favorite mmorpg's.
I don't know mate it really depends on your system,In mmo terms AoC needed a high end system to run it in all its graphic glory but you could still play it on a much lesser system with the resolution turned way down and all the bells and whistles switched off,what sort of system are you running atm as I really do not see STO recommended specs being that high by today's standards.
If someone had came up to me in 1980 when I was on my Atari 2600 and said we will be playing games with thousands of people at the same time.I guess my response would have been,"but I only have 2 joysticks"
http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/235780/page/8
CRYPTIC= fun for a short period.
COH fun and entertaining-- but the same thing--exactly the same thing over and over
CO = COH with better graphics and umm err, well yeah same game with better graphics.
( both decent games but rather too repetative for me)
both of the above games fun for a few days to maybe, possibly if you have no life like me, a month. after that go back to checkers.
STO= interesting.. think they have done it this time.. no way near release; but workable and has potential! needs a bit-o-blush and rouge and they might actually have their first winner!
coh did not require much in GFX department, co required a bit with all effects turned on. i believe it should run fine on older machines like co with minimal effects.
my pc is 5 yrs old now and runs these games just fine-- only upgrade i made was from dual 7800's to 1 - 260.
and as far as SOE- i banned em for life.
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My system was high end 5-6 years ago. It has a pentium 4 3.2GHZ, 2GB RAM, RADEON X1950 pro (I upgraded form original a few years back.)
I played CO with alot of stuttering and lag, graphics didn't look too good. I tried it on the pc at work which was high end 2 years ago, not sure on specs but it has 4GB RAM and a good graphics card (from 2 years ago.) It looked nice on that pc and ran smoother.
I know I need to upgrade but really those of us that like to buy brand name pc's have to pay thousands of dollars to get the best experience every few years? That's too much money for most.
Maybe STO will be different than CO but my guess it's use similar mechanics and such. So my pc I'll have to play with settings on med or low to counter most of the stuttering and lag. Actually, CO was almost unplayable for the most part on this pc....
Well the saying is mate if you order a PC by the time it reaches you it is already out of date.
I normally upgrade certain parts of my pc every year,last year it was my graphic card to the 275,I know that is the last upgrade I will give this system(I bought this system 4 years ago).I know it will get me through this year and maybe even to the start of next year,though I know if I want to continue having games run at the highest settings then I will have to either build or buy a new system.
There is no easy way around this,your system maybe high spec 5 years ago but since then everything has moved on,hell the playstation 2 was high spec 5 years ago and every pc gamer knows it costs money,quality comes at a cost.
Trust me mate I hate to spend money on my system all the time..not so much the cash but the wife giving me grief over it but I do enjoy my pc gaming and as it is my main hobby the wife sort of understands...even it does take a nice meal out to bring her round
If someone had came up to me in 1980 when I was on my Atari 2600 and said we will be playing games with thousands of people at the same time.I guess my response would have been,"but I only have 2 joysticks"
http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/235780/page/8
I try to have a little more optimism than that, as a developer myself, I like to give Cryptic the benefit of the doubt, the super hero genre for an MMORPG is probably one of the most difficult to really work with, it was something our team had looked into also, but decided that to make a solid product that had a sustainable life would be very difficult, it really works away from the basic loot/level/pvp system.
I personally feel, and obviously this is strictly opinion, that Cryptic did quite well with the CoH/CoV/CO design, with it being essentially the first of it's kind on the market, now with that being said, they have made some questionable marketing decisions, but with todays current economy, can you really blame them for squeezing as much money out of the product as they can.
Now, as far as STO goes, the problem and sometimes benefit to working with a solid creative property like Star Trek is that you always have someone from the original ownership of the property looking over your shoulder and making sure you stick to certain requirements, you have to keep in mind that Developers are not only making the product for You (The consumer), but are also making it for the proprietor of the trademark (In this case Paramount).
So until I have actually had a chance to experience the product for myself, and I will give it a fair shake, I for one refuse to pass judgement. However, I do suggest as I do with all MMORPG's that you wait a few months before purchasing the game if you are a stickler about bugs and missing content, as unfortunately most publishers set unattainable release dates, which require the first 3-6 months of essentially what should of been done in the final stages of Beta.
Thank you,
Cayll
You're making an assumption about a game entirely based on something completely different because it was made by the same people? That's ridiculous. That's like saying that every Blizard game is exactly the same, so you know what they will all be like. Why don't you wait until you've actually played the game before coming up with baseless accusations?
As for the people who say that Champions Online is exactly like CoH, you don't know what you're talking about. CO and CoH are both superhero games, but apart from that they are not alike. The characters have little in common, the gameplay is different, the missions are nothing alike. Please play the games you complain about before you do your complaining.
I dont even like CO but I gotta say you must need to upgrade your PC. It ran like butter on my machine here at home.
Maybe look into a console. PS3 only like $299 and xbox 360 is only like $199 or something. I personally own both consoles but it gets expensive buying all the new games. A new hit comes out like every week
CO and CoH are only alike in the fact they are superhero MMOs...other than that there is very little if anything else that is the same. Yeah...
Your system is 5-6 years old. It's really outdated by gaming standards. Even the consoles have evolved in that time. You can't expect the whole gaming industry to halt progress because you don't want to upgrade for the silliest of reasons. Why silly? Because brand name PCs suck!
Basically, I'm not sure why you're complaining.Did you complain because you had to buy a DVD player and your VHS player just doesn't cut it anymore?
I'm kinda in the same boat system wise, except I've upgraded a bit. I have a p4 3.6 ghz, 3gb ram and ati radeon 4850. I have the pci-e 1.0 port which seemed like it limited my upgrade options. I was told pci-e 2.0 cards are backwards compatible but not all are. Nividia cards didn't seem to be backward compatible, atleast the ones I tried. I read up on my card and there were specific references to my card's pci-e 1.0 compatibility.
I think CO ran reasonably well on my pc. Lotro runs well. WOW is dreamy ofcourse. Fallen Earth runs at a decent framerate. AOC and Vanguard kinda suck for me. Warhammer ran acceptably, but nothing to brag about. EQ2 runs okay, but not as well as it seems it should. I just downloaded Divinity 2 demo for pc and it runs acceptably on medium settings. My wife's Sims 3 runs very well so I'm having trouble keeping her off my computer.
So upgrading your graphic card might be a good choice if you don't want to spend too much money. My card now is probably about $125.
For my part, I'm gonna give STO a shot and seriously consider getting a new rig. There are quite a few options out there and if you don't go for an extreme gaming rig you can get a decent price. Ofcourse, I will probably break the bank and buy some monster, and...ahem...give my wife this computer, hehe.
I think SOE is finished as far as MMOs go. Their reputation is tarnished and rightfully so. I doubt any company is stupid enough to repeat the many mistakes SOE did with SWG. However, if STO has broken skills, broken missions, buggy gameplay, poor customer service, alpha classes, decay, or any of the many other problems that SWG and SOE had you can bet Cryptic will be added to the list.
Currently Playing: World of Warcraft
Tbh guys buying a new system for gaming does not have to cost an arm and a leg.
I always set my self a limit for a new system and never go over it,I got this system brand new for 995 euros(I set myself a limit of 1000).
Yes I add to the system but a lot of the upgrades I can carry to the next system,such as my 24"monitor,4 years later I am still well chuffed with my system but know it is nearing the end of its life,I will get through this year and buy a new system that maybe releases in May or June for 3000 euro but come the start of next year I will get for around 1000 euro.
Shop around and set a limit.
If someone had came up to me in 1980 when I was on my Atari 2600 and said we will be playing games with thousands of people at the same time.I guess my response would have been,"but I only have 2 joysticks"
http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/235780/page/8
Ya know I respect every man is free to base his life on irrational assumptions. But still, someone who says "SOE is going to stay forever on the not to buy MMOs" looses all credibility to logic. You conclude from one MMO to another. While sure there are often some things in common, every SOE game was VERY different, and so I expect CO and STO are different, despite similarities. I don't think such gross generalization is really a meaningful way to decide what is good and what isn't. It's like saying you never going to eat Italian food because at school one Italien bully beat you. Understandable, but still irrational.
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Always good advice. I had a computer that I put together myself 6 years ago that finally went caput recently. I waited until after the holidays were over and got a brand new HP for a little over $500.00 at Office Depot. It's an AMD Athlon 2 quad core processor with 6 GIG of memory, 600 GB hard drive and Georforce 9100 video card. More than enough to run this game. I would recomend looking at Office Depot or Comp USA before even thinking of BestBuy.
Currently Playing: World of Warcraft
Quality is often pretty consistent in a given company. SOE has consistently made poor games. Blizzard has consistently made great games. Cryptic has consistently made shallow, superficial games. While it is true that some games do not hold true to the reputation of the parent company, it is also true that most of the time they do. It's pretty rational to base an initial purchases decision (such as whether to pre-order or get the game within the first month) on a company's past products. It is certainly irrational to act like the past work a company has done has no bearing on their future work.
Your bully analogy is flawed. It is more like going to a particular Italian restaurant and you and all your friends order different dishes. All they dishes are badly made and taste awful. On that basis you decide not to eat there again. Now, maybe they do have one or two good dishes and you could go back later and eat those, but you have plenty of reason not to bet your lunch/dinner on that. It doesn't mean you won't go to another Italian restaurant and get food there though, you just don't trust one particular Italian restaurant. Similarly, if one MMO company consistently makes bad MMOs, that doesn't mean you'll never buy an MMO again, but it might well mean you won't trust that company to make a good MMO.
Not necessarily. What if your beef with SoE is not about the quality of a given game, but about how SoE itself treats its customers? Isn't that a valid reason to avoid their products?
Your analogy about italian food is a bit off the mark. Try this: A large corporation owns several chain restaurants. In one restaurant you had a very bad experience. You contact the corp and they basically blow you off. Would it be incredulous and illogical to not eat in any of that corporation's restaurants, even the ones that are part of a different chain?
Under normal circumstances I would agree with you, however, SOE is truely unique in the way they blatently screwed their customers over. Being someone that was around SWG during the many problems it had along with the final insult that was the NGE, I will never again buy a game that is developed or managed by them. If Cryptic is even HALF as bad with STO as SOE was with SWG then I will do the same with all things Cryptic. That is my right as the consumer.
Currently Playing: World of Warcraft
This is sheer stubbornness. Nothing else.
Do you know how long ago the NGE debacle was? Why are you still carrying around a grudge?
I did play SWG hardcore for a long time, but I stopped being upset about it years ago.
You are aware that SoE is SONY right? While you are being stupidly stubborn, why not boycott all of Sony's products too? Throw out your Playstation. Throw out all your electronics. Then be proud of the fact that you are too pigheaded to understand how the world works.
Just because the SWG team made mistakes years ago doesn't mean that every single SoE team is the same. SoE is a big company with many development teams.
Quality is often pretty consistent in a given company. SOE has consistently made poor games. Blizzard has consistently made great games. Cryptic has consistently made shallow, superficial games. While it is true that some games do not hold true to the reputation of the parent company, it is also true that most of the time they do. It's pretty rational to base an initial purchases decision (such as whether to pre-order or get the game within the first month) on a company's past products. It is certainly irrational to act like the past work a company has done has no bearing on their future work.
Your bully analogy is flawed. It is more like going to a particular Italian restaurant and you and all your friends order different dishes. All they dishes are badly made and taste awful. On that basis you decide not to eat there again. Now, maybe they do have one or two good dishes and you could go back later and eat those, but you have plenty of reason not to bet your lunch/dinner on that. It doesn't mean you won't go to another Italian restaurant and get food there though, you just don't trust one particular Italian restaurant. Similarly, if one MMO company consistently makes bad MMOs, that doesn't mean you'll never buy an MMO again, but it might well mean you won't trust that company to make a good MMO.
Wait wait... I smell alot of BS in this post.
Which crappy games has SOE "made"? EQ was made before SoE. Excellent game, that once managed by SoE, went downhill. EQ2 had great potential, excellent mmorpg mechanic wise, but not managed well. Vanguard was made by many former SoE and Verant devs, and was a excellent mmorpg that has been pushed into the ground by bad management.
SoE does not MAKE bad games. They destroy great mmorpgs. There is a great difference
Blizzard making great games? They lost most of the devs that had made their games great, non mmorpg wise. MMORPG wise, WoW had great launch timing, and it took alot of the mechanics from the great 3. The great 3 being EQ, DAoC, and AC. They made it easier, and made a good call on low system specs. Hell, some of the devs were the most hardcore gamers in EQ, and that is why most of us who played EQ for years are always bored to tears in WoW. The interface is so influenced you might as well have copied it from the UI's used in EQ.
You are irrational in your research. You lack the ability to properly take facts and convey them as facts. Instead, you take assumptions, notions, and opinions and then relay them here as facts. Akin to crying wolf.
I mean holy hell dude. You think the same people who were working on CO were also working on STO at the same damn time? Do YOU have ANY idea what the workplace for development is? How in the heck can you type out something intelligent and come off as a complete and utter idiot of how things work.
MMO companies are NOT a single isolated establishment like in your example. They often branch out. They have different flavors and dishes. If you go to two different establishments, the chances are abnormally high that one that is bad is more because of the team working behind the scenes. You go to the other establishment, owned by the same parent company, and you might have an utterly wonderful time.
Inform us of your method of comparison because it makes no sense to me. Its not even relative in how you compare.
(Waiting on SWTOR....)
After a couple of months of playing CO when it was released i was hugely disappointed with both it and Cryptic. Ive ignored STO since then but have found myself over the past few months installing MMO's, playing them for a day then moving onto the next one, jaded after years of playing the same tired old sword and sorcery types in different skins i guess.
I have no expectations of STO other than for it to be different than games i've previously played and i certainly have no great expectations of Cryptic. That being said, i've pre-ordered and will give the game a try for at least a month or two after launch, will it live up to the hype that everyone ese seems to be feeling for the game? Probably not, no games ever do but at this point in MMO gaming when i've tried practically everything going over the years other than this genre i'm more than willing to give it a shot.
Pre-ordering a game when you have low expectations for it, is just encouraging the industry to produce more disappointing games.
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