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Western vs Eastern concept animation tastes

gothagotha Member UncommonPosts: 1,074

What do you people think of animation you see in MMOs east vs west?  Lets say compare Aion to Age of Conan?

How do you think this will work with Tera?

 

 

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  • drbaltazardrbaltazar Member UncommonPosts: 7,856
    english coutry is cartoon style

    asia is going toward anime style
  • neilh73neilh73 Member Posts: 239
    Originally posted by drbaltazar

    english coutry is cartoon style asia is going toward anime style



     

    Thats not strictly true, taking Age of Conan as the OP did the target there is gritty realism, same with others such as Mortal Online.  This is generally the look I prefer for my characters.  Others are going for a realistic look too, even though they are high fantasy settings, such as Vangaurd and Lord of the Rings Online.  Granted some western games, World of Warcraft in particular go for the cartoony look, but by no means all of them.

     

    As for Eastern artstyles, yes most of the games do tend to go with an anime sort of look.  This poses a problem for me in games such as Aion as I can't make a decent looking male character, they all end up looking like metrosexual prettyboys, a look that I'm not particularly fond of.  So all my characters in Eastern made games usually end up as females.  I did manage to make my Asmodian male Templar look a bit more gritty looking, but my other 5 characters in Aion are Asmodian females.  Same with Lineage 2, my only male character there was an Orc Tyrant, my others were a female Spellhowler and female Hawkeye.

     

    I may have a look at TERA when it eventually gets a western release, but I'm not too sure, Aion may well be my last eastern MMO.  I'm getting pretty burned-out, not just on eastern MMO's, but in the genre as a whole.

     

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  • LocienLocien Member Posts: 87
    Originally posted by neilh73

    Originally posted by drbaltazar

    english coutry is cartoon style asia is going toward anime style



     

    Thats not strictly true, taking Age of Conan as the OP did the target there is gritty realism, same with others such as Mortal Online.  This is generally the look I prefer for my characters.  Others are going for a realistic look too, even though they are high fantasy settings, such as Vangaurd and Lord of the Rings Online.  Granted some western games, World of Warcraft in particular go for the cartoony look, but by no means all of them.

     

    As for Eastern artstyles, yes most of the games do tend to go with an anime sort of look.  This poses a problem for me in games such as Aion as I can't make a decent looking male character, they all end up looking like metrosexual prettyboys, a look that I'm not particularly fond of.  So all my characters in Eastern made games usually end up as females.  I did manage to make my Asmodian male Templar look a bit more gritty looking, but my other 5 characters in Aion are Asmodian females.  Same with Lineage 2, my only male character there was an Orc Tyrant, my others were a female Spellhowler and female Hawkeye.

     

    I may have a look at TERA when it eventually gets a western release, but I'm not too sure, Aion may well be my last eastern MMO.  I'm getting pretty burned-out, not just on eastern MMO's, but in the genre as a whole.

     

    I agree, it's not that black and white. TERA however can be said to be a mix of anime influences and fantasy influences as it has a few pretty unique races compared to most MMORPGs that usually only carry the standard ones.

     

    TERA features the following races,

    Humans (Not so original, but they don't look metrosexual like in most other games)

    The Aman (Big humanoid lizards that look pretty menacing)

    The Castanic (Demon humanoids. They look a bit more slender than humans and have horns)

    The Popori (Short chubby animal kin that have features from different animals that you can choose, complete with tails)

    High Elves (Pretty boring, your standard beautiful human-looking elf with pointy ears)

    The Baraka (Giants made out of stone that are genderless, apparently they are ancestors of violent giants but they're now striving for peace)

     

    I recommend that you take a look at TERA when it's in open beta or after it's released. You won't be disappointed, it's the only MMO that's trying to break free from the iron grip of your typical late 2000's MMORPG. I've played the game myself and it's endlessly fun to just kill mobs and I only got to experience the newbie area of the game. They're envisioning a lot and the game is made by one of the most experienced MMORPG development teams in the world. Trust me, I haven't been excited for a game since I got burned by Oblivion. But TERA really has the potential to become the next thing in MMO gaming.

  • ComnitusComnitus Member Posts: 2,462

    I generally refer to anime combat as "ballerina combat".

    I generally refer to most Western combat as "rip you to bloody shreds" combat.

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  • drbaltazardrbaltazar Member UncommonPosts: 7,856
    as for me i prefer full anime silyness
    anime,manga
    often the problem is translation
    it is very hard for very hilarious
    anime manga game to be hilarious in english
    i couldnt say why but its like a brown haired girl dyeing her hair to pass for a blond,we just know its fake.
    same for the asian mmo
    take one piece serie the site i listen to at one point had to translate what some of the word meant .because there were often double triple or more meaning
    and often trying to translate a triple or even double meaning word is almost impossible
    i speak french and english and so double or triple meaning joke just cant be translated
    and often if you do the laughing part of the joke is lost
    i think its better to go with the silent style joke
    like charlie chaplin!true its not as funny,
    but untill they find a proper way to translate game its all there is
    and the person that will make it possible to translate properlly mmo
    will make billion,since gamer loose a lot in translation
  • Krn_AssassinKrn_Assassin Member Posts: 581

    you're right but the talk of west going for realism is false, since the graphics are so bad they tend to look more cartoony if anything. asian MMOs go for the japanese anime style, I agree. the graphics are superior in "eastern" mmo's as well.

  • TsytaTsyta Member Posts: 3

    eastern mmo's rape western mmo's when it comes to graphics, because simply they have better taste. just like how anime completely fucks and rapes cartoons, and manga destorys comics.

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  • neilh73neilh73 Member Posts: 239
    Originally posted by Krn_Assassin


    you're right but the talk of west going for realism is false, since the graphics are so bad they tend to look more cartoony if anything. asian MMOs go for the japanese anime style, I agree. the graphics are superior in "eastern" mmo's as well.



     

    Sorry, but I don't agree with you on that.  Sure some western games going for the realistic look don't quite pull it off, eg Vanguard.  The landscape graphics in Vanguard are excellent, but the character models, especially the human ones look like plastic dolls.  AoC however manages to pull off the realistic thing to a tee.  Also technically AoC's graphics blow anything else out the water by a long way.  You may not like the artstyle, but there is no eastern MMO that can beat AoC on graphics.

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  • BloodaxesBloodaxes Member EpicPosts: 4,662
    Originally posted by Comnitus


    I generally refer to anime combat as "ballerina combat".
    I generally refer to most Western combat as "rip you to bloody shreds" combat.

     

    Isn't that Dawn of War 2 a strategy game not an mmo?

    What does that have to do with mmorpgs? western animations are almost always basic compared to eastern.

    Yeah eastern sometimes tend to exaggerate but at least they call it a fantasy game so they have an excuse while western 95% of the times go for the realistic looks and soso combat animation for some strange reason.


  • neilh73neilh73 Member Posts: 239
    Originally posted by bloodaxes

    Originally posted by Comnitus


    I generally refer to anime combat as "ballerina combat".
    I generally refer to most Western combat as "rip you to bloody shreds" combat.

     

    Isn't that Dawn of War 2 a strategy game not an mmo?

    What does that have to do with mmorpgs? western animations are almost always basic compared to eastern.

    Yeah eastern sometimes tend to exaggerate but at least they call it a fantasy game so they have an excuse while western 95% of the times go for the realistic looks and soso combat animation for some strange reason.



     

    Yes, it's not an MMO, www.youtube.com/watch that however is.  Personally, I'll take that over 'Ballerina Combat' (nod to Comnitus) any day of the week.

     

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    Favourite MMO - Pre-CU SWG, 3 Years, 4 Accounts, 2 Pre-CU Jedi (1 Pre-9).
    Awaiting - Star Wars: The Old Republic, The Secret World, Earthrise.

  • BloodaxesBloodaxes Member EpicPosts: 4,662
    Originally posted by neilh73

    Originally posted by bloodaxes

    Originally posted by Comnitus


    I generally refer to anime combat as "ballerina combat".
    I generally refer to most Western combat as "rip you to bloody shreds" combat.

     

    Isn't that Dawn of War 2 a strategy game not an mmo?

    What does that have to do with mmorpgs? western animations are almost always basic compared to eastern.

    Yeah eastern sometimes tend to exaggerate but at least they call it a fantasy game so they have an excuse while western 95% of the times go for the realistic looks and soso combat animation for some strange reason.

    Yes, it's not an MMO, www.youtube.com/watch that however is.  Personally, I'll take that over 'Ballerina Combat' (nod to Comnitus) any day of the week.

    Yes fatalities are always cool even if they look a tad slow but those are not skill animations just some finishing moves.

     


  • GrayGhost79GrayGhost79 Member UncommonPosts: 4,775
    Originally posted by gotha


    What do you people think of animation you see in MMOs east vs west?  Lets say compare Aion to Age of Conan?
    How do you think this will work with Tera?
     
     

     

    Personally I don't care if it's east or west. Here's my criteria on the animation. 

    1) It doesn't come off too cartoony. 

    2) It's fluid and polished in w/e style they choose to do it in. 

     

    The rest I could care less about as long as the gameplay is solid. 

  • NrCinciNrCinci Member Posts: 6

    Personally I like eastern animation better.

    They have more taste and make them look better than our western counterparts.

    But that's just me.

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  • dwarflordkingdwarflordking Member Posts: 265

     eastern as a culture just has better choregraphy, look at god aweful fight scenes in american movies and look at old jet li jacky chan stuff from china... its 1000x better fight scenes

     

    western games on a whole are uptite just like its culture, anytime u see an eastern game having super sexy armor they all go up and arms and complain thats its too sexy.. why do u think women in western games are freakin ugly?  i think one western mmo had people complaining so much cuz of their ugly ass women, attempting to make it more like real life women.. and they had to change it cuz  it wasn't appealing to anyone

     

     

  • Miles-ProwerMiles-Prower Member Posts: 1,106

    I love Anime. Heck, my favorite character of all time is Anime ( GO TAILS ). So I guess I have more of an Eastern taste when it comes to animation. I find Japanese Anime styles to be more interesting. Something about American Animation just doesn't appeal to me at all. *shrug*. I'm weird, though.



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  • elockeelocke Member UncommonPosts: 4,335

    I'll take AoC animations any day over Eastern animations. Although, I could really care less either way. What gets me, is the SOUND effects given to eastern character animations. Those must go. I can't take any more high pitched screeches or grunts and yells every time I swing a sword or do a roundhouse kick, and EVERY eastern MMO I've played all have the same sound effect style in their combat. Drives me nuts!

  • CleffyCleffy Member RarePosts: 6,413

    Western animation in mmos is like someone ran around and stuck a stick up everyones ass.  I think it has more to do with engine choice then actual artistic talent.  In Korea they are more likely to use an established engine and mod it.  In the US they are more likely to build a new engine from the ground up.  What usually ends up happening is the rig becomes unforgiving of certain things like manipulation of the root joint in US mmos.  Either that or nearly every US mmo studio hired the same guy to do all the animations.

    Personally, I do like the animations in Korean mmos.  They tend to have more action in them and proper use of gesture.

  • poisonIVpoisonIV Member Posts: 7

    .anyone here who does not watch pOrn?

    .anyone here who prefer to have fugly girlfriend/boyfriend or fugly social friend?

    .anyone here want to be fugly and dupid?

    :in the end, we all want to enjoy online game which has decent story line, minimum level of grind tolerance.  But the most important is an awsome, sexy, baddass looking character. =)

     

    vietlove

  • KenaoshiKenaoshi Member UncommonPosts: 1,022

    In my Fantasy mmo, i like to have fantasy style of combat/animation/looking

    The eastern seem to captcha it lil better, to me.

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  • jonrd463jonrd463 Member UncommonPosts: 607
    Originally posted by poisonIV


    .anyone here who does not watch pOrn?
    .anyone here who prefer to have fugly girlfriend/boyfriend or fugly social friend?
    .anyone here want to be fugly and dupid?
    :in the end, we all want to enjoy online game which has decent story line, minimum level of grind tolerance.  But the most important is an awsome, sexy, baddass looking character. =)
     
    vietlove

     

    Speak for yourself. I play games to be a part of an engaging story, to solve puzzles, mysteries, and fight my way through overwhelming odds to come out victorious. Games like TERA are such a turnoff because, like most any eastern MMO, it's all about how much buttcheek can they get away with while still calling that chainmail bikini a viable piece of armor. And don't get me started on the annoying way female characters stand, like an overexaggerated supermodel mannequin. Just awful and totally over the top.

     

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  • patrikd23patrikd23 Member UncommonPosts: 1,155

    Both are good in their own way, I dont see any point on excluding something that is well made in their own way.

  • poisonIVpoisonIV Member Posts: 7
    Originally posted by jonrd463

    Originally posted by poisonIV


    .anyone here who does not watch pOrn?
    .anyone here who prefer to have fugly girlfriend/boyfriend or fugly social friend?
    .anyone here want to be fugly and dupid?
    :in the end, we all want to enjoy online game which has decent story line, minimum level of grind tolerance.  But the most important is an awsome, sexy, baddass looking character. =)
     
    vietlove

     

    Speak for yourself. I play games to be a part of an engaging story, to solve puzzles, mysteries, and fight my way through overwhelming odds to come out victorious. Games like TERA are such a turnoff because, like most any eastern MMO, it's all about how much buttcheek can they get away with while still calling that chainmail bikini a viable piece of armor. And don't get me started on the annoying way female characters stand, like an overexaggerated supermodel mannequin. Just awful and totally over the top.

     

    you sound like an innocent child with a very beautiful mind who make speeches about his/her wonderful IDEAL.  Hey solve puzzles? mysteries? fight your way through the odds? come out victorious?  WTH is that? get real man.  You mean do quest by killing "maybe but can't be" artificial intelligent mobs? or kill bosses with a group? or do you mean Grind hard to get high level and own as many people as you can in PVP or PVPVE?  

    Do you find your own statements contradicting?  supermodel mannequin with the way they stand are annoying to you and that is awful because its too sexy?  so what you mean is:  eastern game character models and gears make you sick while you like to solve puzzles, mysteries, fight way through the odds, and come out victorious.  HMMMM you should stop playing online games and go back to your console games.

    Freaking Massive Multiplayer Online Role Playing Games are all about meeting and socializing with people, making friends and foes; beside that is having a sexy or kickass looking character. to get a cool looking armor you have to get to certain level. to level up there are Quest and Grind.  Games with blocky looking characters and environment are "Cheap Graphic."  Games in 2D are already in History.  i dont know which cloud you came from but keep it up......your beautiful mind may change the world.

     BTW, I hate people who fight against Oil Drilling because it damage the environment while they are driving a car to work and use electricity service from the city.  if you are one of these contradicting 2faces, then i have nothing else to say.

     

    Vietlove

     

  • jonrd463jonrd463 Member UncommonPosts: 607
    Originally posted by poisonIV

    Originally posted by jonrd463

    Originally posted by poisonIV


    .anyone here who does not watch pOrn?
    .anyone here who prefer to have fugly girlfriend/boyfriend or fugly social friend?
    .anyone here want to be fugly and dupid?
    :in the end, we all want to enjoy online game which has decent story line, minimum level of grind tolerance.  But the most important is an awsome, sexy, baddass looking character. =)
     
    vietlove

     

    Speak for yourself. I play games to be a part of an engaging story, to solve puzzles, mysteries, and fight my way through overwhelming odds to come out victorious. Games like TERA are such a turnoff because, like most any eastern MMO, it's all about how much buttcheek can they get away with while still calling that chainmail bikini a viable piece of armor. And don't get me started on the annoying way female characters stand, like an overexaggerated supermodel mannequin. Just awful and totally over the top.

     

    you sound like an innocent child with a very beautiful mind who make speeches about his/her wonderful IDEAL.  Hey solve puzzles? mysteries? fight your way through the odds? come out victorious?  WTH is that? get real man.  You mean do quest by killing "maybe but can't be" artificial intelligent mobs? or kill bosses with a group? or do you mean Grind hard to get high level and own as many people as you can in PVP or PVPVE?  

    Do you find your own statements contradicting?  supermodel mannequin with the way they stand are annoying to you and that is awful because its too sexy?  so what you mean is:  eastern game character models and gears make you sick while you like to solve puzzles, mysteries, fight way through the odds, and come out victorious.  HMMMM you should stop playing online games and go back to your console games.

    Freaking Massive Multiplayer Online Role Playing Games are all about meeting and socializing with people, making friends and foes; beside that is having a sexy or kickass looking character. to get a cool looking armor you have to get to certain level. to level up there are Quest and Grind.  Games with blocky looking characters and environment are "Cheap Graphic."  Games in 2D are already in History.  i dont know which cloud you came from but keep it up......your beautiful mind may change the world.

     BTW, I hate people who fight against Oil Drilling because it damage the environment while they are driving a car to work and use electricity service from the city.  if you are one of these contradicting 2faces, then i have nothing else to say.

     

    Vietlove

     

     

    Ah..haha... haa... ha. Obviously, since I don't care for the over the top, in your face sexuality that Eastern games drip with, I'm a puritanical prude. Clearly, moderation cannot exist, eh? It's all or nothing with people like you. There's no appreciation for subtlety. 

    You seem angry, based on the tone of your post. You don't need to be. Really. My opinion is not intended to be a slight against your person.

    As for the last paragraph of your post, I hate militant environmentalism, so your "generalization-pulled-outta-yer-ass" about me fails.

    "You'll never win an argument with an idiot because he is too stupid to recognize his own defeat." ~Anonymous

  • poisonIVpoisonIV Member Posts: 7
    Originally posted by jonrd463

    Originally posted by poisonIV

    Originally posted by jonrd463

    Originally posted by poisonIV


    .anyone here who does not watch pOrn?
    .anyone here who prefer to have fugly girlfriend/boyfriend or fugly social friend?
    .anyone here want to be fugly and dupid?
    :in the end, we all want to enjoy online game which has decent story line, minimum level of grind tolerance.  But the most important is an awsome, sexy, baddass looking character. =)
     
    vietlove

     

    Speak for yourself. I play games to be a part of an engaging story, to solve puzzles, mysteries, and fight my way through overwhelming odds to come out victorious. Games like TERA are such a turnoff because, like most any eastern MMO, it's all about how much buttcheek can they get away with while still calling that chainmail bikini a viable piece of armor. And don't get me started on the annoying way female characters stand, like an overexaggerated supermodel mannequin. Just awful and totally over the top.

     

    you sound like an innocent child with a very beautiful mind who make speeches about his/her wonderful IDEAL.  Hey solve puzzles? mysteries? fight your way through the odds? come out victorious?  WTH is that? get real man.  You mean do quest by killing "maybe but can't be" artificial intelligent mobs? or kill bosses with a group? or do you mean Grind hard to get high level and own as many people as you can in PVP or PVPVE?  

    Do you find your own statements contradicting?  supermodel mannequin with the way they stand are annoying to you and that is awful because its too sexy?  so what you mean is:  eastern game character models and gears make you sick while you like to solve puzzles, mysteries, fight way through the odds, and come out victorious.  HMMMM you should stop playing online games and go back to your console games.

    Freaking Massive Multiplayer Online Role Playing Games are all about meeting and socializing with people, making friends and foes; beside that is having a sexy or kickass looking character. to get a cool looking armor you have to get to certain level. to level up there are Quest and Grind.  Games with blocky looking characters and environment are "Cheap Graphic."  Games in 2D are already in History.  i dont know which cloud you came from but keep it up......your beautiful mind may change the world.

     BTW, I hate people who fight against Oil Drilling because it damage the environment while they are driving a car to work and use electricity service from the city.  if you are one of these contradicting 2faces, then i have nothing else to say.

     

    Vietlove

     

     

    Ah..haha... haa... ha. Obviously, since I don't care for the over the top, in your face sexuality that Eastern games drip with, I'm a puritanical prude. Clearly, moderation cannot exist, eh? It's all or nothing with people like you. There's no appreciation for subtlety. 

    You seem angry, based on the tone of your post. You don't need to be. Really. My opinion is not intended to be a slight against your person.

    As for the last paragraph of your post, I hate militant environmentalism, so your "generalization-pulled-outta-yer-ass" about me fails.

     

    Hey 2Face, here is my 2cents.  

    first of all, if you only post your personal opinion about the thread then you shouldn't quote other people in your reply.  Now you telling me that you you didn't attack me personally? one of the sign showing of your 2face.

    2nd the fact that read this thread meaning that you already checked the game out; so why even check out the game when you already know eastern games characters are that annoying to you? what caught your attention to even check this game out in the first place? another sign showing that you are a 2face.

    3rd "you laughted" at begining of your post then used the words  "in your face," and ""generalization-pulled-outta-yer-ass"" one more sign shows that you are just a 2face.

    what is this? "You'll never win an argument with an idiot because he is too stupid to recognize his own defeat." ~Anonymous.  Anyone with this quote stuck in his forehead would do anything and say anything just to prove that he is right.  OKay you win, mister 2face.

     

    Vietlove

     

  • jonrd463jonrd463 Member UncommonPosts: 607

    Yeah, I'm not even going to try to engage you in any serious debate because you're clearly insane.

    "You'll never win an argument with an idiot because he is too stupid to recognize his own defeat." ~Anonymous

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