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jybgess
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What are the odds of an AC3 or a game close to AC1 coming out with in the next 5 years? When I say game like AC1 I mean random loot, skill..... not class base, stuff like that. Wish I could play AC1 but my ISP wont let me 
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The ISP/router/modem issues will hopefully be resolved in the coming months. A dev on the official forums has said it is the list of things to be fixed.
Though if it were up to a certain other poster here you would never be abel to play because according to them you represent a tiny group of people.
What's sad is that the only reason this is getting fixed is because one of the devs was actually having problems connecting with their own router at home. If they hadn't run into this issue themsevles, this would still not be slated to get fixed. The current team that runs AC does not prioritize well in my opinion.
This has been a problem for several years now. I don't consider that an acceptable time frame to fix a bug. The same happened with the Nvidia texture bug, it took years to fix. ATI cards still have texture problems after several years.
IF Turbine were smart, they would have been working quietly on AC2 all these years. IF Warner Brothers were smart they would A.) re-release AC2 has a kind of peace-offering to shield against the "big-bad-corporate-monsterism-mania" that is out there. B.) Funnel money to Turbine to make a new AC game. Of course... these are things that probably will not ever happen... but one can dream.
I think the odds of them makeing AC 3 alot like AC 1 are very low. IF they ever did make AC3 i fear they would ruin it and try to make another WoW clone that would only fail.
and just for the record, when i heard they were makeing AC2 long ago i was so sad because they had such a gem of a game in AC1 i couldnt understand why they didnt use all that money to upgrade the great game they already had. they could of easly upgraded the graphics and had left over money for many expansions.
I agree 100% about the upgraded graphics and money for expansions.............
Yes we get it already, you hate AC but you play it and pay them money, you're one of those people. You also post what you think is amazing ideas on the main forums and get shot down by the whole community but then assert that you are still th eone who is correct. Sad indeed.
I never said they shouldn't fix it, I simply told you why they weren't likely to spend a lot of time on it. There aren't thousands of people wanting to play the game who can't get their router to work, there is a handful. So spending hours and hours of man power on that issue isn't going to gain them as much as working on any number of other parts of the old code that could be improved. But like always it doesn't matter what anyone says, only you are right no matter how often you are wrong (which is amazingly often).
As for if they will make a new AC. I would say highly unlikely, if it is going to happen it's going to be another company. I think the failure of AC2 kind of had them be done with the franchise. However now that WB owns them there could be renewed interest in running an IP that they own, but we'll have to see. I'm pretty sure most of their focus will be on LoTRO since they had to work with WB to get the rights to make that MMO in the first place.
So just hope some other company decides to make a game very like AC but with modern graphics and elements.
My subscription ended today. I play every couple months in hopes that they've improved the game yet I come back and continue to be annoyed. For every step forward they take, they take steps back.
You can admit it, I was right about this networking issue. It needed to be fixed and it should have been prioirty long ago. I also suspect some other things you hate and that I mentioned in other threads around here will be implemented one day if AC kicks around long enough. When the devs make a post about it, you won't argue and will say "wow what a good idea, great job team."
The official forums are full of white knights. It's obvious. I've noticed when I suggest additional features or minor changes, not large changes to things the dev have done or have recently done, they are more well supported. Most of the people on the official forums feel it is wrong to criticize the devs. Surely there must be some change you disagree with? If not you are a boring person.
Also perhaps you didn't know, the official forums don't represent the whole community or people who don't play.
You seem to want to cater more to the existing players than to make the game more attractive to outsiders or new players. Most of the things I come up with are with the idea to make the game more appealing to someone who is not the familiar with the game. I feel like those changes will ultimately benefit the existing players too.
Take the recent armor changes for example. The tailoring system to me seems overly complex. The existing players don't have a problem with it because it gets the job done at the expense of adding more layers to the game. I'm not alone on the layer issue either. I saw another guy post about the problem with the current team adding too many more layers to the game instead of fixing the core problems.
Always some last ditch ting you can randomly say to try and make yourself feel less utterly wrong.
People have disagreed with you or even attacked you on just about every thread on the main forums you have posted on, you are just an overly negative person that noone cares to listen to.
I think most of the posters realize the game is almost 11 years old, a smaller tighter community, and has a small staff keeping it running. They take all that into consideration when making suggestions/discussing about suggestions.
You approach everything with a make it like wow and spend millions on it approach which is wrong on both lines of thinking.
There are things I would do differently, I would get rid of all UCMers and get rid of their spots. Clearly Turbine is weary of doing so but they have taken out some spots and changed how other spots work.
If they ever put in an Auction House like you want, I would be highly against it. I hate Auction Houses I truly do, it doesn't matter who implements it I'm not going to support it. I do supporting tailoring, I do support them making multi-slot more useful, I do support them adding new races for the sole reason that it drives more people to the game.
I didn't think the game really needed a new loot tier but I understand the thinking. If the game gets too stale then people get bored and leave, you need to give them something else to strive for.
One thing is that since the addition of the new skill in October, the servers are more busy. There seems to be more people (very much so since the latest patch that you've complained about everything it included) around and playing, that is good for everyone. There's a ton of threads of people returning, not just on their forums but in other forums as well. So as far as there being a lot of people defending the decisions of the devs, perhaps that is because those decisions are working and making the game they enjoy both more fun and more full of players.
But I'm sure you'll disagree with all of that.
It's a bit lame and you won't believe me, but I specifically said that line because I have talked to people in the game who read my posts and agree with most of what I say. Of course they aren't quite as passionate about it as I am. Not everyone is absolutely opposed to my changes either as you imply. It's mostly the same couple people who seem to reply to every thread I make. I suspect one of those people. And there are people sprinkled in who agree, but again don't seem to care that much.
This is the thread I was referring to about receiving support when they are minor changes or additions to the game: http://forums.ac.turbine.com/showthread.php?&postid=475768. They actually implemented the rare creature broadcasts in local chat. I also strongly suspect you will see level 8 scrolls one day.
You are obssessed with WoW. Do I say I want the game to be more instanced and raid based? Do I say I want strict classes? Do I want PK to be faction vs faction only? Do I want flying? Do I want zones? No. I want some features added that are already being provided by Decal or third party sites. I admitted in the other thread I see your point about auction hosues being a slightly different experience. So I would not be opposed to some kind of other seller system.
I find it funny too you're so opposed to WoW yet there are defintely many recent additions that inspired by WoW and other games.
Do you have a link for this by chance?
If this is indeed true, I will once again be able to play AC, as will many others I know. I know SnarlingWolf doubted it was thousands, and I might agree, but I think you'd be surprised just how many there are that have this problem. IMO if Turbine gets this fixed, there needs to be a huge announcement about it because I'm pretty sure they'd see a sizeable increase in their player base.
As for the OP:
As sad as it makes me, I seriously doubt we'll ever see a game like AC1 made by a AAA developer. Unfortunately, it's not the type of gameplay the majority of people want anymore. Skill based games and the mechanices that go along with them are considered a niche. Most people want games that lead them by the hand from area to area, and a little red arrow on the compass to show them where to go when they accept a quest. Talking to town cryers to get info and figure quests out on your own ala AC1 are considered too tedious by today's instant gratification, ADHD/ADD crowd.
That being said, I hold out hope that they do one day make a true successor to AC1.
Einherjar_LC says: WTB the true successor to UO or Asheron's Call pst!
Here's the post: http://forums.ac.turbine.com/showpost.php?p=502319&postcount=8
Awesome news indeed.
Thanks.
Einherjar_LC says: WTB the true successor to UO or Asheron's Call pst!
"Talking to town cryers to get info and figure quests out on your own ala AC1 are considered too tedious by today's instant gratification, ADHD/ADD crowd."
Besides patch day, were you actually figuring out quests purely through the in game clues? I know some people do play without third party utilites or external sites, but I think these people are rare. Also some people who do this merely rely on information from other people or they rely on other to lead them threw quests. Those are people are more than likely just getting their information from a third party site.
I made a post about this recently and like the other guy here claims is true in this instance, generally people were opposed to have more explicit quest instructions. I'm not sure why because most of them turn to Maggie's or the new AC Wiki for quest guidance or quest finding. It seems maybe some people like the illusion that they are playing without really specific instructions as WoW, for example, often gives.
This networking issue is a good example of the difference between the official forums and other forums where outsiders can post. On the official forums a post about networking problems would be full of a bunch of people like Snarling saying, "This isn't a big deal", "the devs have better things to do", "I don't have any problems playing" or "get a new computer".
There will always be people in every game that want the shortcut method, and that method is there with third party sites like the wikia (just like Thottbot for the game you so love and think every other game should emulate).
But there will also be the others who want a game where people get to figure stuff out, and where on patch day people scramble to put the clues together and figure out the new quests.
I have tried all the newer games that tell you exactly where to go and exactly what to do when you get handed a quest, those games get boring incredibly fast. Instead of it being an exciting world you have to explore to figure things out, it just starts to feel like work. Because you run around to the 10 guys who have glowing icons over their heads, then open your map and go to the nicely highlighted area where the rewards are, and click on the monster when you're there to see which one says "drops X item". Instead of it feeling like a world it feels like tasks, and that is truly all it has become in new games.
So yes there are lots of people who don't like those systems, just like their are lots of people who do. Those who do like them have their over-simplified WoW and WoW clones to run around in. Those who don't have far fewer choices and don't want their games turned into the same crap as all the others.
Why you're on a crusade to convince people that AC should turn into WoW is baffeling. Go play WoW and be happy with it, and stop being the annoying fly everyone has to keep shooing away.
I am highly opposed to WoW, the game is just about the most boring game I've ever played in my life. I don't want games I actually have fun in to become that boring mess.
I see plenty that WoW took from AC2.
I see a couple of things that AC had inspired from other Turbine projects.
I see not a single thing in AC that is inspired by WoW.
I'm not going to get into the whole what WoW or WoW did not invent thing. Some people get super offended when you compare their game to WoW. They will say some concept is instead from EQ, some other game, or say it's from pen and paper D&D just to avoid being compared to WoW. The origin isn't really the point.
Question for you, do you like the quest hub? If I recall correctly you said you liked stumbling upon quests randomly. You must not like the quest hub then. It's not for every level yet, but based on the feedback it seems like they may implement higher level ones at some point.
I would be against a hub for all different level ranges approach, definetly.
As for the hub there is one thing I would of prefered over the hub. I would of liked all the newbie towns condensed down to 1 single starter town and have all the newbie quests and any sub level 50 quests moved to start from there, and have the destinations of the quests moved to nearby there for the newbie ones and then later ones send you off to other towns so you learn how to get around.
However I realize what a huge undertaking that would be and how much manpower it would take to move all those quests/dungeon entrances around and make sure it all works. It would take a normal dev team a lot to do something like that (look at WoW's expansion and how they're redoing all the existing areas, it takes a while).
I'm not unhappy with the hub for one reason. Before this hub the majority of the new/returning players were told to go macro tuskers or leech Glenden Wood/other areas to get to level 50 fast. That drives off players, where as now they're told to go in the hub and go through a series of quick quests.
But if this were applied to the whole game I think it would be bad.
Jaguar, any eta on the ISP/Router or what ever it is fix? Im not sure how many people cant play the game but 8 of my friends at my work cant play. we all have the same ISP. We all have DSL. not really any other option there. All 9 of us played AC1 from beta till about 2001. We all cant wait to get back in.
No ETA according to the dev. He just said it was "on his list". So I'd guess it's at least two months away since he didn't specifically say it will be fixed by next update.
Thx for the reply. I will continue to keep an eye out for this fix. i hope its sooner than later.
Yes, I relied on the town criers to figure quests out on patch day.
I never used a 3rd party app or macroed, nor did I ever belong to a XP chain while playing AC1.
I played the game in the spirit that was intended, and as the game was designed to be played. 3rd party apps and the like are for the weak and lazy.
Einherjar_LC says: WTB the true successor to UO or Asheron's Call pst!
So you never read Maggie's or VN to learn how to do a quest or find an item...
Finally! Somebody understands. I hate 3rd party apps adn walkthrough sites. Half of the fun of the game is learning all of that stuff on your own. It's the people that turn it into a grind for xp because they've taken the challenge out of the other parts of the game.
Don't mind Jaguar, to this day he is baffled by anyone that doesn't love the WoW style of hand holding or who doesn't want easy mode like he does.