raystantzFinal Fantasy XI CorrespondentMemberUncommonPosts: 1,237
Originally posted by uquipu
Originally posted by Garvon3
Originally posted by raystantz
I like WoW and FFXI.
Both for different reasons.
People hate WoW because its popular, end of story.
God you people are so narrow minded. Do you honestly believe that's the only reason?
Why do people hate Microsoft, Google, Wal*Mart, McDonalds, The United States?
You can be successful, but if you're too successful, you attract haters.
It's been said before but it bares repeating. It's just a game.
exactly. Its not the ONLY reason, but it is a big contributor. If it wasn't so popular, it'd be probably about on the same level as LOTRO or EQ2, but they are the "cool kids" and going to school should show you that people always hate the cool kids.. it doesn't even matter the reason.
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People hate WoW because its popular, end of story.
God you people are so narrow minded. Do you honestly believe that's the only reason?
Why do people hate Microsoft, Google, Wal*Mart, McDonalds, The United States?
You can be successful, but if you're too successful, you attract haters.
It's been said before but it bares repeating. It's just a game.
1- Microsoft because it used Monopolistic practices to kill its competators.
2- Google because they are data miners basically.
3- Wal-Mart same as Microsoft.
4- McDonalds, it tastes like crap.
5- US, crappy foriegn policy and a tendancy to elect presidents who love invading other countries.
Many of us forum goers would see a pattern in your hatred.
People don't hate Microsoft as much anymore. Why? Because Apple is flexing their muscle and Google will probably release an OS in the near future. Microsoft has been show to be vulnerable.
But back in the day, the OS debate raged back and forth. If you wanted to appear elite, you'd tell everyone you were using linux. The Microsoft people would say their OS works with everything and so on.
I wonder how many play Eve just so they can come to the forum and post they are 1337?
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raystantzFinal Fantasy XI CorrespondentMemberUncommonPosts: 1,237
I don't hate Microsoft, I honestly... don't care for Apple.. just because people go so apeshit over their products when its not needed. I hate getting in arguments with apple fanbois. I had one try to argue with me about gaming on his mac. He got so mad that he literally through his headset on the ground and walked out (tech support job) he wanted to fight me over it.
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I could list why I THINK some people actually hate WoW, but I think they will probably come here and do that on their own, although the idea of "hating" a game...seems silly to me. Mighty strong word to use toward....just a GAME, imo.
Personally, I don't HATE WoW, I just no longer enjoy it, and after "knowing it" for 5 years, it's "personality" became annoying.
I couldn't stand to hear its "voice" any more. Even the game soundtracks began to grate on my nerves until I just shut them off entirely. I wouldn't listen to them.
I cringed when we would spend time together. I knew it so well....it ceased being mysterious and intriguing and it started to change....into something that wasn't at ALL the same as what it was in the beginning. It was no longer the game I first met.
And then....my eye began to roam. I had already been playing another game on the side starting only 5 short months after I met WoW....and that game....was looking better all the time. As a matter of fact...when WoW began to just be unbearably annoying and obnoxious to me....it was to that game that I would go and began spending more and more time there. Oh sure...I dabbled with another few games too...I was never faithful to WoW, beyond that first short five months, but...I tried to be as loyal as I COULD be. I guess I just wasn't ready to settle down yet.
Now I'm older. My kids are five years older and have gone from being junior high schoolers and high schoolers to college, marriage, and moving out of the house. And in those five years....I have changed TOO. So is it really any wonder that...since WoW was changing...and I was changing...and our paths seemed to be heading in different directions....is it any wonder that I left it? It's never just one side's fault....I mean....we BOTH changed. So...you know...shit happens.
NOTE:
By the way....ONE of the reasons WoW is so popular is because you can play it on an ancient computer with a soon to be ancient graphics card. That alone...is a great selling point for people who are NOT "hardcore" gamers and either don't want to, or can't, upgrade their PC every year or two with all the latest greatest hardware. You may have to buy some software...but to start playing it...most people don't have to buy new hardware.
Does Mc Donald's make a higher quality burger than say...Steak and Shake or TGI Friday's or Outback Steakhouse? No. But it's a decent burger for a lot less cash.
Are the cheap coffee pots at Walmart as high quality as say...a Bunn coffee pot? No....but they also don't require part of your savings account invested to buy them...and they work fine enough for most purposes.
Oh and also....any thread that starts a "WoW is shit" or "WoW is uber" argument....isn't going to go anywhere beneficial to ANYone.
1. fear: I like to actually be afraid that at any moment someone could kill me anywhere at any time. Gives the game spice. wow has no fear factor.
2. factions: I don't want to be forced to accept that some prick is supposedly my ally so that I cannot wipe their face in the dirt. I really feel a NEED to be able to kill anyone at any time for any reason even though I'm a carebear (aka. I'm always polite whether I win or loose a fight and I go out of my way to help everyone ... sometimes even the jerk that pissed me off yesterday) yeah, I'm weird like that.
3. as another thread puts it: "My elf wears Prada": I greatly dislike the visual style of wow. Lineage 2 is the minimum acceptance in both graphics quality and sex appeal.
I sure hope the World of Darkness mmorpg that CCP is producing has these 3 nailed down for me... and considering they make EvE and its a Tres Chic Gothic horror universe... I'm very hopeful.
I wish Darkfall would let me play for a week for free to see if its right for me. I don't feel like shelling even $1 just to see if its as bad as the reviews.
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This is just a topic that is getting old and burnt out, its always the same or similar responces and people saying one person is wrong and that person is right and trolling one person for feeling one way, and trolling another because they looked at them wrong. Just stupid IMO.
Does Mc Donald's make a higher quality burger than say...Steak and Shake or TGI Friday's or Outback Steakhouse? No. But it's a decent burger for a lot less cash.
Are the cheap coffee pots at Walmart as high quality as say...a Bunn coffee pot? No....but they also don't require part of your savings account invested to buy them...and they work fine enough for most purposes.
Oh and also....any thread that starts a "WoW is shit" or "WoW is uber" argument....isn't going to go anywhere beneficial to ANYone.
Oh the "cheap" McDonalds" argument again ....
It costs around 250 dollars to play WOW for the first full year.
Let's see... the second most played PC game these days is ... COD MW2, that one costs 60 dollars to play for the next 3 years.
if you want to play 5 years of WOW - like you did when you made sense at least - that would cost you ... around 1000 dollars.
1000 dollars just to play WOW for 5 years - just one account And it is - by far - still the most played PC game.
Makes you think HOW this game "touched" its active multi million paying players.
All "hate" pales to these little money facts isn't it.
Time to reflect I guess... And then they say - after playing it for 5 years - the game sucks ... LOL.
Oh a "why do you hate WoW" thread. We NEVER had any of those, now did we ?
I dont hate WoW as such. I just hate having it thrown into my face as the ideal MMO or something every 3 feet in any MMO forum. Why ? Because so many people play it !
Yeah. And the sun is the best british magazine, and the Bildzeitung the best german magazine. Because, duh ! For so many people read it !
And shit is the best food. Millions and millions of flies just cant possibly be wrong !
I checked WoW out, its not the MMORPG I want to play, end of discussion. It has no price advantages over other MMOs either, by the way. So why cant I just play something else and be left alone ?
WOW costs around 240 dollars to play it for just one year. Basic box, expansions, subscription money.
Expensive "shit" I guess. (considering we spend more than that on resturant food in a year, its not so bad)
So how does it come it outperforms even CoD MW2 on "most played PC game" by a long shot. (define out performs? you seriously cant be comparing a mmo to a fps! people play MW2 to shoot people in the face! something they cant do in wow, and this is the best game to do it in or battlefield 2. naturally if your paying to play something, your going to feel obligated to play it more.)
COD MW2 only costs around 60 dollars to play it for several years even. ( your point being?)
Anyone can come up with a reasonable answer ? (dont want to)
I can. (really?, id like to hear that answer)
No other game (even outside MMO's) has such a long term playing value. (mmo's naturally have long term playing ability, not just wow, this is a given. comparing an mmo to a non-mmo is pointless)
So much playing value in fact that more people want to PAY 250 dollars just to play it for at least a year. ( these are probably people who have been playing at least a year already. i doubt alot of people are going to drop 250 dollars for a year's subscription to a game they are just starting.)
Most play 3 to 5 years and pay around 800 dollars ... just to play it. (stats?)
Some shit I'd say.... (not really)
It also makes the "cheap" MacDonalds argument a laugh really.
WOW costs 3 to 10 times more than COD MW2 ... the number 2 PC game being played. (because people have to sub to wow in order to play it. naturally its gonna cost more than cod mw2)
Any serious arguments? except to accept it simply offers "something" other games can't offer... for X time the money ... (in order for an argument, you would have to say something worth arguing about. something that makes alot more sence than this argument)
So WOW costs far more than other games and is being played X time more. (it cost about the same amount of money as any mmo. cant include none mmo games or f2p games since naturally they generate alot less money)
Can only be because it is the best value for money for 11 million people. ( this is by far the worst conclusion you ever could have made. its not the best value for 11mil people. it might be that 11mil enjoy playing the game, but to be the best value, it would have to be competitive against other mmo's in the subscription price. And sorry to say its not the best value, it just happens to be the most popular)
It's not the game its the people that play the game that constanly troll by bringing up "sub numbers = Da best Eva!!!!" argument.
Well, it would explain why farmville is the best game ever, ever.
Farmville is free to play and didn't bring in 5 billion US dollars... nor did any other game for that matter.
It's the main reason why "they" hate it: it is being rubbed in by the fans with every opportunity they get.
And you really can't find an argument against it: A game that costs 250 dollars a year and still is the most played PC game.
Must be terrible to see this happen when you don't like it (mostly after playing it for 5 years non stop)....
I can go feature by feature in WoW and destroy you in a debate only for you to pull the subscription card and leave. Everyone of you WoW fanbois do this and its annoying.
Sure WoW is popular and makes a ton of cash but there are games that do specific features much better than WoW.
It's not the game its the people that play the game that constanly troll by bringing up "sub numbers = Da best Eva!!!!" argument.
Well, it would explain why farmville is the best game ever, ever.
Farmville is free to play and didn't bring in 5 billion US dollars... nor did any other game for that matter.
It's the main reason why "they" hate it: it is being rubbed in by the fans with every opportunity they get.
And you really can't find an argument against it: A game that costs 250 dollars a year and still is the most played PC game.
Must be terrible to see this happen when you don't like it (mostly after playing it for 5 years non stop)....
I can go feature by feature in WoW and destroy you in a debate only for you to pull the subscription card and leave. Everyone of you WoW fanbois do this and its annoying.
Sure WoW is popular and makes a ton of cash but there are games that do specific features much better than WoW.
It must be painful: discussing feauture by feature how WOW is bad and then someone stands up and pulls the billion dollar card out of his pocket and says ..:
"So what ?" Can you explain why people pay for this shit ?
"No I can't" " It is shit ... but I played it for 5 years and paid for it ...".
There: you already have half of the WOW haters explained .
Addiction, time investment, social ties are enough reason not to join other games that are similar to WoW even if they have one or two features that are superior to WoW.
And usually the games with 1 or 2 features better than WoW fall apart on all the other important aspects of the game in terms of balance, game play, user interface etc. WoW just does it better over-all as a game since a game does consist of more than 1 or 2 pieces.
In terms of time investment, really? WoW is so lenient on people's time, even the slowest leveler can hit maximum level in no longer than 3 months of very casual play.
Addiction? Few and far between and it really depends on your definition of addiction which probably doesn't follow the DSM IV or V or whatever number they are on, the psychological manual for diagnosis of things like addictions.
Social ties can be argued in two ways. It can be used to tear people apart from others (hey, its their life and their decision) or can be used to bring people together. I seen it done both ways and I fail to see what's relevant in terms of its negative impact on "social ties".
And usually the games with 1 or 2 features better than WoW fall apart on all the other important aspects of the game in terms of balance, game play, user interface etc. WoW just does it better over-all as a game since a game does consist of more than 1 or 2 pieces.
The game as a whole is better but the features in WoW are not superior to any of the games released. Lotro has much better Pve (so does EQ2). Aion, War and AoC have much better Pvp. These games also equal WoW when it comes to gameplay, UI and balance. If we got a game with lotro pve, Aion/war pvp and SWG crafting people still wouldnt leave WoW due to time investment, social ties and the biggy addiction.
In terms of time investment, really? WoW is so lenient on people's time, even the slowest leveler can hit maximum level in no longer than 3 months of very casual play.
The average WoW players has what 3 maxx level characters by now? has played for over two years? even if gear is reset people get attached to their characters.
Addiction? Few and far between and it really depends on your definition of addiction which probably doesn't follow the DSM IV or V or whatever number they are on, the psychological manual for diagnosis of things like addictions.
WoW is Cyber crack, you know it, I know it.
Social ties can be argued in two ways. It can be used to tear people apart from others (hey, its their life and their decision) or can be used to bring people together. I seen it done both ways and I fail to see what's relevant in terms of its negative impact on "social ties".
Social Ties are what mmos are about. Being close to others in a guild environment. It means everything. If your in a successful guild and love logging into talk to these people your not going to leave a game where you know noone. On the rare occasion that guilds move to a new game they always return to WoW due to the other two biggies. Time invested (why should i start over?) and Addiction (WoW is life!!!!).
I played WoW off and on for years. I have a long history of playing some of the older games like EQ, UO, etc.. I think Blizzard made MMOs accessible to everyone, and as a result had become more pedestrian and mainstream. So I believe it has dumbed MMOs down too much and taken "something" away from the whole experience. Do I hate WoW? Not really. Do I hate how WoW has changed the entire MMO scene? Yes!
WoW is so hugely popular that it has caused other companies to change their games to attract WoW types. Anyways, i could go on and on about it.
I just wish a company with as much money as blizzard would reimagine it, and come up with something totally unique. I think Lotro is a incredible game, and it scares me how great it could be with as much money as Blizzard behind it.
It's not the game its the people that play the game that constanly troll by bringing up "sub numbers = Da best Eva!!!!" argument.
Well, it would explain why farmville is the best game ever, ever.
Farmville is free to play and didn't bring in 5 billion US dollars... nor did any other game for that matter.
It's the main reason why "they" hate it: it is being rubbed in by the fans with every opportunity they get.
And you really can't find an argument against it: A game that costs 250 dollars a year and still is the most played PC game.
Must be terrible to see this happen when you don't like it (mostly after playing it for 5 years non stop)....
I can go feature by feature in WoW and destroy you in a debate only for you to pull the subscription card and leave. Everyone of you WoW fanbois do this and its annoying.
Sure WoW is popular and makes a ton of cash but there are games that do specific features much better than WoW.
It must be painful: discussing feauture by feature how WOW is bad and then someone stands up and pulls the billion dollar card out of his pocket and says ..:
"So what ?" Can you explain why people pay for this shit ?
"No I can't" " It is shit ... but I played it for 5 years and paid for it ...".
There: you already have half of the WOW haters explained .
Eh...
WoW might have 11million players, but it doesn't mean everyone is going to like it. And you need to remember that a very large portion of that 11million came into MMOs with that game. And the reason they started with WoW is because a lot of them knew that Blizzard cared about the quality of their games.
As for features it's true that WoW has some really good ones, but they are also really simple features built on accessability for a majority of the players. This means the features they do have have to be very simplistic in nature. This is where a lot of MMORPG players, specially those who came from other games, are coming from when saying there is no challenge. Now by challenge I don't mean the game has to be hard. What a lot of these players mean by challenge is having to think. Quests in WoW for example require no thinking as the game leads you to them and tells you exactly what to do. The mystery was removed because somewhere some poor player cried that 'I don't wanna have to solve a riddle'.
Look at the dungeons. Older dungeons took time to get through and had many twists and turns. Newer instances have 1 path from start to boss. And before someone tries to play the 'Hard mode or stfu' card; Doing the same dungeon with slightly harder AI and a higher gear rating requirement =/= different nor a challenge. Its a cop-out.
Now as to the so called haters, I can see where a lot of them are coming from. WoW is a game that just keeps carving away the MMO and RPG sections of the game, leaving a thinly trimmed Multiplayer game experience akin to an Xbox Live title where you run around to compete for a position on a ladder. The game is heading down the path of an E-sport title than the MMO it started as. That's where a lot of the hate comes from. If people wanted to play a game that was about rankings they would play TF2 or Starcraft. They didn't sign up and pay $15 a month to climb a ladder.
Whats sad though is a lot of that 11million are people who started the genre with WoW and think that this is how MMORPGs were meant to be.
There are 3 types of people in the world. 1.) Those who make things happen 2.) Those who watch things happen 3.) And those who wonder "What the %#*& just happened?!"
It's not the game its the people that play the game that constanly troll by bringing up "sub numbers = Da best Eva!!!!" argument.
Well, it would explain why farmville is the best game ever, ever.
Farmville is free to play and didn't bring in 5 billion US dollars... nor did any other game for that matter.
It's the main reason why "they" hate it: it is being rubbed in by the fans with every opportunity they get.
And you really can't find an argument against it: A game that costs 250 dollars a year and still is the most played PC game.
Must be terrible to see this happen when you don't like it (mostly after playing it for 5 years non stop)....
I can go feature by feature in WoW and destroy you in a debate only for you to pull the subscription card and leave. Everyone of you WoW fanbois do this and its annoying.
Sure WoW is popular and makes a ton of cash but there are games that do specific features much better than WoW.
Sure, some games may do a specific feature or two better but the whole package still results in a game that isn't as good as WoW. Some games focus on pvp while the pve lags. Serveral couldn't get much of an end-game going. Others seem terribly grindy. While you may argue that other games are better and provide all the evidence in the world, it doesn't matter because, at the end of the day, the vote that counts is the wallet vote. WoW continues to win the wallet vote.
You wanna know why people hate WoW?! read the latest patch notes and weep. I have been a long term wow player and hardcore raider for years (armory me if you dont believe me) I stepped down from raiding monday and boy am i glad i did after reading tuesdays cata notes....
10-Man and 25-Man raids will share the same lockout.
10-Man and 25-Man raids difficulty will be as close as possible to each other.
10-Man and 25-Man raids will drop the exact same loot, but 25-man will drop a higher quantity of items
so what your telling me is that as IF raiding hasnt become too easy and a shell of its former self already that cata will seal the deal and deliver a deathblow. Why bother doin 25's if you can get the same rewards from 10. Less competition for my gear in 10 as well. WoW will lose a good chunk of subscriptions (mine included). I was unhappy with the repetetive dull nature of the raiding scene and the ease of it and then they go and make it more repetitive and easy. GG blizzard. Blizzard's constant catering to the lower spectrum of their player base is why people hate blizzard. This will go down as a star wars galaxy type moment for wow. GENTLEMEN GENTLEMEN!!!! This could very well lead to the end of the world............ of warcraft.
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exactly. Its not the ONLY reason, but it is a big contributor. If it wasn't so popular, it'd be probably about on the same level as LOTRO or EQ2, but they are the "cool kids" and going to school should show you that people always hate the cool kids.. it doesn't even matter the reason.
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Many of us forum goers would see a pattern in your hatred.
People don't hate Microsoft as much anymore. Why? Because Apple is flexing their muscle and Google will probably release an OS in the near future. Microsoft has been show to be vulnerable.
But back in the day, the OS debate raged back and forth. If you wanted to appear elite, you'd tell everyone you were using linux. The Microsoft people would say their OS works with everything and so on.
I wonder how many play Eve just so they can come to the forum and post they are 1337?
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I don't hate Microsoft, I honestly... don't care for Apple.. just because people go so apeshit over their products when its not needed. I hate getting in arguments with apple fanbois. I had one try to argue with me about gaming on his mac. He got so mad that he literally through his headset on the ground and walked out (tech support job) he wanted to fight me over it.
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I could list why I THINK some people actually hate WoW, but I think they will probably come here and do that on their own, although the idea of "hating" a game...seems silly to me. Mighty strong word to use toward....just a GAME, imo.
Personally, I don't HATE WoW, I just no longer enjoy it, and after "knowing it" for 5 years, it's "personality" became annoying.
I couldn't stand to hear its "voice" any more. Even the game soundtracks began to grate on my nerves until I just shut them off entirely. I wouldn't listen to them.
I cringed when we would spend time together. I knew it so well....it ceased being mysterious and intriguing and it started to change....into something that wasn't at ALL the same as what it was in the beginning. It was no longer the game I first met.
And then....my eye began to roam. I had already been playing another game on the side starting only 5 short months after I met WoW....and that game....was looking better all the time. As a matter of fact...when WoW began to just be unbearably annoying and obnoxious to me....it was to that game that I would go and began spending more and more time there. Oh sure...I dabbled with another few games too...I was never faithful to WoW, beyond that first short five months, but...I tried to be as loyal as I COULD be. I guess I just wasn't ready to settle down yet.
Now I'm older. My kids are five years older and have gone from being junior high schoolers and high schoolers to college, marriage, and moving out of the house. And in those five years....I have changed TOO. So is it really any wonder that...since WoW was changing...and I was changing...and our paths seemed to be heading in different directions....is it any wonder that I left it? It's never just one side's fault....I mean....we BOTH changed. So...you know...shit happens.
NOTE:
By the way....ONE of the reasons WoW is so popular is because you can play it on an ancient computer with a soon to be ancient graphics card. That alone...is a great selling point for people who are NOT "hardcore" gamers and either don't want to, or can't, upgrade their PC every year or two with all the latest greatest hardware. You may have to buy some software...but to start playing it...most people don't have to buy new hardware.
Does Mc Donald's make a higher quality burger than say...Steak and Shake or TGI Friday's or Outback Steakhouse? No. But it's a decent burger for a lot less cash.
Are the cheap coffee pots at Walmart as high quality as say...a Bunn coffee pot? No....but they also don't require part of your savings account invested to buy them...and they work fine enough for most purposes.
Oh and also....any thread that starts a "WoW is shit" or "WoW is uber" argument....isn't going to go anywhere beneficial to ANYone.
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3 reasons:
1. fear: I like to actually be afraid that at any moment someone could kill me anywhere at any time. Gives the game spice. wow has no fear factor.
2. factions: I don't want to be forced to accept that some prick is supposedly my ally so that I cannot wipe their face in the dirt. I really feel a NEED to be able to kill anyone at any time for any reason even though I'm a carebear (aka. I'm always polite whether I win or loose a fight and I go out of my way to help everyone ... sometimes even the jerk that pissed me off yesterday) yeah, I'm weird like that.
3. as another thread puts it: "My elf wears Prada": I greatly dislike the visual style of wow. Lineage 2 is the minimum acceptance in both graphics quality and sex appeal.
I sure hope the World of Darkness mmorpg that CCP is producing has these 3 nailed down for me... and considering they make EvE and its a Tres Chic Gothic horror universe... I'm very hopeful.
I wish Darkfall would let me play for a week for free to see if its right for me. I don't feel like shelling even $1 just to see if its as bad as the reviews.
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This is just a topic that is getting old and burnt out, its always the same or similar responces and people saying one person is wrong and that person is right and trolling one person for feeling one way, and trolling another because they looked at them wrong. Just stupid IMO.
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This question never gets old, does it?
Because it does what it does better than anyone else.
It's not the game its the people that play the game that constanly troll by bringing up "sub numbers = Da best Eva!!!!" argument.
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Waiting on: GW2, BP
Well, it would explain why farmville is the best game ever, ever.
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Yep its the only jack of all trades themepark that can say every one of its features are completely average.
It does nothing better than anyone else but OVERALL its a better experience than the themepark games that came after it.
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this argument left a bad taste in my mouth.
The point was that "concurrent users does not = good game", but feel free to shit on the point any time you feel like it.
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I can go feature by feature in WoW and destroy you in a debate only for you to pull the subscription card and leave. Everyone of you WoW fanbois do this and its annoying.
Sure WoW is popular and makes a ton of cash but there are games that do specific features much better than WoW.
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Waiting on: GW2, BP
I would stop worrying why others hate a game. If you like WoW, enjoy it. Millions of others like it too.
Many game companies wish their game was hated as much as WoW.
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Okay, let me.
You are saying you are smarter, more 1337, more capable, more tenacious, more courageous, than a group of eleven million?
or
Maybe you just have different tastes. Maybe you just want to appear 1337 to us?
There is no challenging mmo, there is no hard mmo, there is no 1337 mmo. Some mmos are just more tedious than other mmos.
My aunt likes to knit. She'd be a terror in a tedious mmo.
Well shave my back and call me an elf! -- Oghren
Addiction, time investment, social ties are enough reason not to join other games that are similar to WoW even if they have one or two features that are superior to WoW.
Playing: Rift, LotRO
Waiting on: GW2, BP
And usually the games with 1 or 2 features better than WoW fall apart on all the other important aspects of the game in terms of balance, game play, user interface etc. WoW just does it better over-all as a game since a game does consist of more than 1 or 2 pieces.
In terms of time investment, really? WoW is so lenient on people's time, even the slowest leveler can hit maximum level in no longer than 3 months of very casual play.
Addiction? Few and far between and it really depends on your definition of addiction which probably doesn't follow the DSM IV or V or whatever number they are on, the psychological manual for diagnosis of things like addictions.
Social ties can be argued in two ways. It can be used to tear people apart from others (hey, its their life and their decision) or can be used to bring people together. I seen it done both ways and I fail to see what's relevant in terms of its negative impact on "social ties".
Playing: Rift, LotRO
Waiting on: GW2, BP
I played WoW off and on for years. I have a long history of playing some of the older games like EQ, UO, etc.. I think Blizzard made MMOs accessible to everyone, and as a result had become more pedestrian and mainstream. So I believe it has dumbed MMOs down too much and taken "something" away from the whole experience. Do I hate WoW? Not really. Do I hate how WoW has changed the entire MMO scene? Yes!
WoW is so hugely popular that it has caused other companies to change their games to attract WoW types. Anyways, i could go on and on about it.
I just wish a company with as much money as blizzard would reimagine it, and come up with something totally unique. I think Lotro is a incredible game, and it scares me how great it could be with as much money as Blizzard behind it.
Eh...
WoW might have 11million players, but it doesn't mean everyone is going to like it. And you need to remember that a very large portion of that 11million came into MMOs with that game. And the reason they started with WoW is because a lot of them knew that Blizzard cared about the quality of their games.
As for features it's true that WoW has some really good ones, but they are also really simple features built on accessability for a majority of the players. This means the features they do have have to be very simplistic in nature. This is where a lot of MMORPG players, specially those who came from other games, are coming from when saying there is no challenge. Now by challenge I don't mean the game has to be hard. What a lot of these players mean by challenge is having to think. Quests in WoW for example require no thinking as the game leads you to them and tells you exactly what to do. The mystery was removed because somewhere some poor player cried that 'I don't wanna have to solve a riddle'.
Look at the dungeons. Older dungeons took time to get through and had many twists and turns. Newer instances have 1 path from start to boss. And before someone tries to play the 'Hard mode or stfu' card; Doing the same dungeon with slightly harder AI and a higher gear rating requirement =/= different nor a challenge. Its a cop-out.
Now as to the so called haters, I can see where a lot of them are coming from. WoW is a game that just keeps carving away the MMO and RPG sections of the game, leaving a thinly trimmed Multiplayer game experience akin to an Xbox Live title where you run around to compete for a position on a ladder. The game is heading down the path of an E-sport title than the MMO it started as. That's where a lot of the hate comes from. If people wanted to play a game that was about rankings they would play TF2 or Starcraft. They didn't sign up and pay $15 a month to climb a ladder.
Whats sad though is a lot of that 11million are people who started the genre with WoW and think that this is how MMORPGs were meant to be.
There are 3 types of people in the world.
1.) Those who make things happen
2.) Those who watch things happen
3.) And those who wonder "What the %#*& just happened?!"
Sure, some games may do a specific feature or two better but the whole package still results in a game that isn't as good as WoW. Some games focus on pvp while the pve lags. Serveral couldn't get much of an end-game going. Others seem terribly grindy. While you may argue that other games are better and provide all the evidence in the world, it doesn't matter because, at the end of the day, the vote that counts is the wallet vote. WoW continues to win the wallet vote.
You wanna know why people hate WoW?! read the latest patch notes and weep. I have been a long term wow player and hardcore raider for years (armory me if you dont believe me) I stepped down from raiding monday and boy am i glad i did after reading tuesdays cata notes....
10-Man and 25-Man raids will share the same lockout.
10-Man and 25-Man raids difficulty will be as close as possible to each other.
10-Man and 25-Man raids will drop the exact same loot, but 25-man will drop a higher quantity of itemsso what your telling me is that as IF raiding hasnt become too easy and a shell of its former self already that cata will seal the deal and deliver a deathblow. Why bother doin 25's if you can get the same rewards from 10. Less competition for my gear in 10 as well. WoW will lose a good chunk of subscriptions (mine included). I was unhappy with the repetetive dull nature of the raiding scene and the ease of it and then they go and make it more repetitive and easy. GG blizzard. Blizzard's constant catering to the lower spectrum of their player base is why people hate blizzard. This will go down as a star wars galaxy type moment for wow. GENTLEMEN GENTLEMEN!!!! This could very well lead to the end of the world............ of warcraft.