first off i would never go by xfire as me and many others do NOT use xfire. I think one can safely state that this applies to any MMO and its players. But yes, Xfire is a fun tool but no one can prove that it is representative for the overal MMO populations.
LOTRO has way more servers going then AOC... so i highly doubt that aoc has more. even after this expansion aoc didnt even get enough numbers to even think of opening a new server. So no i would say not. the only thing is maybe AOC has now just filled its four servers a little more then its core playerbase that has stuck around.
I think LotrO has something like 22 (?) servers, AoC 13 servers. Opening a new server wouldn't be smart unless servers were literally bursting. Smart would be to wait and see how it is after a few months. "A little more" is on the other hand an understatement: one cannot blindly trust Xfire figures, but trends per game can be observed in it, and indications in Xfire (500-600 players a few months back, 1100-1200 prelaunch, 1400-1500 now) and ingame observations seem to point towards a doubling of the player population at the least compared with a month or 2 back.
The ease with which predictions are made on these forums: Fratman: "I'm saying Spring 2012 at the earliest [for TOR release]. Anyone still clinging to 2011 is deluding themself at this point."
I don' t really think there's any real "scientific" way to compare the amount of players between these two games.
You have an unlimited free trial for AoC.
And you have lifetime subscribers for LotRO.
Both of those skew the numbers.
Eyeballing and "guesstimation" are about all you've got to really work with in this case.
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All the subs in the world wouldn't make AoC a good game, so I fail to see the point of this discussion.
The general consensus now is that the game itself is very good. Now if it was a year and a half ago yes the game wasn't very good at all.
Not realy...grinding PvE that is easily exploited http://forums.ageofconan.com/showthread.php?t=220071 combined with the worst PvP system of any MMO ever devised, but to answer the OP....LOTRO at least has double the population, easily. LOTRO hasn't released anything for a while and has similar numbers to AoC. So LOTOR has a small percent of it's population playing, while AoC has pretty much everyone playing. If you play MMOs you know what is up....people play till they max out then hibernate then play again when stuff is new. So yeah LOTOR is still ahead.
Just a note on Tortage. . it was thriving before the expansion as well . . since it is free I think you will see a lot more population there. People playing this way (not actually subsribers) might also be scewing your numbers. I think I do preffer AOC myself though.
Yeah I know its free but I still see alot more people there then 1 month before the expansion. Really hard to estimate subsription numbers though when factors as time of day, total server pop and instances come in to the equation.
alot of poeple dont use Xfire i sure dont, i guess you can say the game is more popular on xfire but thats not total numbers fact right now , how do you know half of those nubmers are just playing trial?
How many new servers did FC open up to handle the massive influx of new players?
Or to put it another way, do they still have the same number of servers that they had after they closed the majority of their servers due to the massive player exodus?
All the subs in the world wouldn't make AoC a good game, so I fail to see the point of this discussion.
The general consensus now is that the game itself is very good. Now if it was a year and a half ago yes the game wasn't very good at all.
Not realy...grinding PvE that is easily exploited http://forums.ageofconan.com/showthread.php?t=220071 combined with the worst PvP system of any MMO ever devised, but to answer the OP....LOTRO at least has double the population, easily. LOTRO hasn't released anything for a while and has similar numbers to AoC. So LOTOR has a small percent of it's population playing, while AoC has pretty much everyone playing. If you play MMOs you know what is up....people play till they max out then hibernate then play again when stuff is new. So yeah LOTOR is still ahead.
finaticd wow I am really surprised you're on the AoC forum but complaining abouit it again!!!!
Seriously one leaves or at least appears to... and another turns up. Finaticd, Iceice and what was it Deadelon were all the same, ex players who got burnt at the start and two years later can't get over it.
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How many new servers did FC open up to handle the massive influx of new players?
Or to put it another way, do they still have the same number of servers that they had after they closed the majority of their servers due to the massive player exodus?
Same amount of servers but they can instance if over 50 in each playfielld. I assume there is a max per server when they would have to open more. I hope it will happen due to an influx of subs.
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How many new servers did FC open up to handle the massive influx of new players?
Or to put it another way, do they still have the same number of servers that they had after they closed the majority of their servers due to the massive player exodus?
Same amount of servers but they can instance if over 50 in each playfielld. I assume there is a max per server when they would have to open more. I hope it will happen due to an influx of subs.
Oh... then the whole question is pointless. The effective population of AoC as far as any player is concerned won't ever be more than 50.
How many new servers did FC open up to handle the massive influx of new players?
Or to put it another way, do they still have the same number of servers that they had after they closed the majority of their servers due to the massive player exodus?
Same amount of servers but they can instance if over 50 in each playfielld. I assume there is a max per server when they would have to open more. I hope it will happen due to an influx of subs.
Oh... then the whole question is pointless. The effective population of AoC as far as any player is concerned won't ever be more than 50.
Essentially, yes you are correct although there is global chat etc but on screen yes only 50. Ths is one thing that I dislike about AoC, I remember playing UO and outside Trammel Bank there would be 100's on screen.
STO is the same as are newer mmo's I guess this imitation is a gfx trade off, i.e. higher gfx means less players onscreen at once.
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Nah, LotR is larger. But I wouldn't t wager it will be for very much longer. AoC is on the upswing and is finally starting to live up to its potential, LotRO has pretty much peaked.
All the subs in the world wouldn't make AoC a good game, so I fail to see the point of this discussion.
The general consensus now is that the game itself is very good. Now if it was a year and a half ago yes the game wasn't very good at all.
Not realy...grinding PvE that is easily exploited http://forums.ageofconan.com/showthread.php?t=220071 combined with the worst PvP system of any MMO ever devised, but to answer the OP....LOTRO at least has double the population, easily. LOTRO hasn't released anything for a while and has similar numbers to AoC. So LOTOR has a small percent of it's population playing, while AoC has pretty much everyone playing. If you play MMOs you know what is up....people play till they max out then hibernate then play again when stuff is new. So yeah LOTOR is still ahead.
What do you mean "not really?" The expansion has scored high on every professional review site, including this one, and it has an incredibly high satisifaction rating with the players. Ton's of players are singing the praises of the game, its won most improved MMO awards over the last year, and its population is on the upswing in a major way.
Do you mean "I got a bug in my pants against Funcom, so I'm going to rabble rabble rabble about anything I can to make it seem like its a bad game. Jebus dude, just get over it.
All the subs in the world wouldn't make AoC a good game, so I fail to see the point of this discussion.
The general consensus now is that the game itself is very good. Now if it was a year and a half ago yes the game wasn't very good at all.
Not realy...grinding PvE that is easily exploited http://forums.ageofconan.com/showthread.php?t=220071 combined with the worst PvP system of any MMO ever devised, but to answer the OP....LOTRO at least has double the population, easily. LOTRO hasn't released anything for a while and has similar numbers to AoC. So LOTOR has a small percent of it's population playing, while AoC has pretty much everyone playing. If you play MMOs you know what is up....people play till they max out then hibernate then play again when stuff is new. So yeah LOTOR is still ahead.
What do you mean "not really?" The expansion has scored high on every professional review site, including this one, and it has an incredibly high satisifaction rating with the players. Ton's of players are singing the praises of the game, its won most improved MMO awards over the last year, and its population is on the upswing in a major way.
Do you mean "I got a bug in my pants against Funcom, so I'm going to rabble rabble rabble about anything I can to make it seem like its a bad game. Jebus dude, just get over it.
I am not 100% sure how Xfire works but the AOC expansion just came out. I am sure you would have seen the same thing when the last LOTR expansion was released. I know I played LOTR for abit then and don't now.
I agree with this. For a month or so you would see inflated numbers for AoC due to the expansion. So if these numbers hold for a longer time then yes I would say AoC has passed LotRO but right now it is too early to say.
The reason the number is inaccurate is because Xfire only records players who use Xfire while they play. It can't calculte unless the program is running in the background.
Which brings me to the point. Age of Conan and Xfire have been unofficial partners for a long time. Xfire has had a ton of events with AOC at the focus. So naturally, a lot of Xfire users are going to try AoC and then on the other hand a lot of AOC players are going to be influenced to use Xfire. I remember at launch Xfire did a big group thing where if you joined the xfire group you had a chance to win based on hours played and so forth.
So naturally the numbers are a bit off because of the demographics.
On average I believe LOTRO is doing better, but you still may be seeing a huge boon in players playing AoC right now due to the expansion coming out and all of the publicity being churned up for it.
As far as Tortage goes... it's the best part of the game as far as I can tell. After that things progressively get slower and more dull. This is coming from a guy who played from launch and then once hitting 50-55 got bored, so I obviously don't know what the end game is like.
I am not 100% sure how Xfire works but the AOC expansion just came out. I am sure you would have seen the same thing when the last LOTR expansion was released. I know I played LOTR for abit then and don't now.
I agree with this. For a month or so you would see inflated numbers for AoC due to the expansion. So if these numbers hold for a longer time then yes I would say AoC has passed LotRO but right now it is too early to say.
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Yes, AoC is leading in the numbers so for god sake be happy they made a great come back and face palm the haters or don't. I mean so what if AoC is over Lotr, they are both good MMORPG and I strongly think AoC should be over Aion.
Nah, LotR is larger. But I wouldn't t wager it will be for very much longer. AoC is on the upswing and is finally starting to live up to its potential, LotRO has pretty much peaked.
This Is very true I play both I am a lifer at LORTO but not active ATM. AOC has seen a very large up swing lately the jury is still out on whether or not this will last. Turbine has put LORTO on the back burner ever sense moria and with their new cash cow DDO pulling more and more resources away from LORTO no telling when that game will take off again.
The game "AOC" might see some ups in player base, with the new expansion and all. However those people won't stay very long. Once you get passed the newbie zone that game is a short joke. The game quickly becomes "meh".
The global chat is the biggest turn off, aside from the games engine. Boy does that game run poorly lol, the network layer they have as of now is complete trash.
Anyway, I agree with what Elusivex said, as the topics moot people will forget about this game anyway.
BTW: Lord of The Rings online is a better game. Just my opinion.
Lol, the poop post is great: I don't agree with it, I think both LotrO and AoC are fun games, yeah no shit, but if all the negative posts were that creative and funny I wouldn't mind them at all
AoC is doing good now, but I wouldn't dismiss LotrO: its world is simply vast, I think the Books additional content is a great touch, and it has one of the most relaxed communities I've encountered in any MMO (unless you went and in a funny mood created a char named 'roflcopter', then they're on to you as a pack of starving rabid wolves: what, no PvP on the server? Try fending off a storm of angry tells there) .
Plus, there's still a lot to go on: I mean, who wouldn't want to experience the fights in Rohan, or the siege of Minas Tirith, the White City? Plus I expect them to add Erebor, the Lonely Mountain, and Esgaroth as well, which would tie nicely in with the upcoming Hobbit movies (if they ever come).
So, I think it would be a bad move of Turbine if they would neglect the LotrO franchise, it has some potentially great content it could use for expansions.
@Deathglare: seems you don't like AoC, well, that's your right, tastes differ. But I hope you can accept that not everybody has or should have the same taste as you, and that there are enough people that can enjoy AoC where you didn't. Unless you don't like it if people are having fun in a game where you didn't, but I expect that's not the case.
The ease with which predictions are made on these forums: Fratman: "I'm saying Spring 2012 at the earliest [for TOR release]. Anyone still clinging to 2011 is deluding themself at this point."
Can't believe someone actually reported elusivex post earlier.. It was one of the most hilarious things I've read on these forums in ages. Unfathomable that someone would actually find that shit offensive
Whoever did it; grow a comedic sense, the world's a pretty sarcastic place.
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I think LotrO has something like 22 (?) servers, AoC 13 servers. Opening a new server wouldn't be smart unless servers were literally bursting. Smart would be to wait and see how it is after a few months. "A little more" is on the other hand an understatement: one cannot blindly trust Xfire figures, but trends per game can be observed in it, and indications in Xfire (500-600 players a few months back, 1100-1200 prelaunch, 1400-1500 now) and ingame observations seem to point towards a doubling of the player population at the least compared with a month or 2 back.
The ACTUAL size of MMORPG worlds: a comparison list between MMO's
The ease with which predictions are made on these forums:
Fratman: "I'm saying Spring 2012 at the earliest [for TOR release]. Anyone still clinging to 2011 is deluding themself at this point."
All the subs in the world wouldn't make AoC a good game, so I fail to see the point of this discussion.
If we're going to talk about the pointless nature of forum discussions, your post would be a great place to start.
Also, the the posters commenting on LotROs servers, LotRO has 25 western servers (11 NA, 14 Euro).
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I don' t really think there's any real "scientific" way to compare the amount of players between these two games.
You have an unlimited free trial for AoC.
And you have lifetime subscribers for LotRO.
Both of those skew the numbers.
Eyeballing and "guesstimation" are about all you've got to really work with in this case.
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The general consensus now is that the game itself is very good. Now if it was a year and a half ago yes the game wasn't very good at all.
Not realy...grinding PvE that is easily exploited http://forums.ageofconan.com/showthread.php?t=220071 combined with the worst PvP system of any MMO ever devised, but to answer the OP....LOTRO at least has double the population, easily. LOTRO hasn't released anything for a while and has similar numbers to AoC. So LOTOR has a small percent of it's population playing, while AoC has pretty much everyone playing. If you play MMOs you know what is up....people play till they max out then hibernate then play again when stuff is new. So yeah LOTOR is still ahead.
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This sounds a little shillish to me.
alot of poeple dont use Xfire i sure dont, i guess you can say the game is more popular on xfire but thats not total numbers fact right now , how do you know half of those nubmers are just playing trial?
How many new servers did FC open up to handle the massive influx of new players?
Or to put it another way, do they still have the same number of servers that they had after they closed the majority of their servers due to the massive player exodus?
finaticd wow I am really surprised you're on the AoC forum but complaining abouit it again!!!!
Seriously one leaves or at least appears to... and another turns up. Finaticd, Iceice and what was it Deadelon were all the same, ex players who got burnt at the start and two years later can't get over it.
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Same amount of servers but they can instance if over 50 in each playfielld. I assume there is a max per server when they would have to open more. I hope it will happen due to an influx of subs.
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Oh... then the whole question is pointless. The effective population of AoC as far as any player is concerned won't ever be more than 50.
Essentially, yes you are correct although there is global chat etc but on screen yes only 50. Ths is one thing that I dislike about AoC, I remember playing UO and outside Trammel Bank there would be 100's on screen.
STO is the same as are newer mmo's I guess this imitation is a gfx trade off, i.e. higher gfx means less players onscreen at once.
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Nah, LotR is larger. But I wouldn't t wager it will be for very much longer. AoC is on the upswing and is finally starting to live up to its potential, LotRO has pretty much peaked.
What do you mean "not really?" The expansion has scored high on every professional review site, including this one, and it has an incredibly high satisifaction rating with the players. Ton's of players are singing the praises of the game, its won most improved MMO awards over the last year, and its population is on the upswing in a major way.
Do you mean "I got a bug in my pants against Funcom, so I'm going to rabble rabble rabble about anything I can to make it seem like its a bad game. Jebus dude, just get over it.
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I agree with this. For a month or so you would see inflated numbers for AoC due to the expansion. So if these numbers hold for a longer time then yes I would say AoC has passed LotRO but right now it is too early to say.
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The reason the number is inaccurate is because Xfire only records players who use Xfire while they play. It can't calculte unless the program is running in the background.
Which brings me to the point. Age of Conan and Xfire have been unofficial partners for a long time. Xfire has had a ton of events with AOC at the focus. So naturally, a lot of Xfire users are going to try AoC and then on the other hand a lot of AOC players are going to be influenced to use Xfire. I remember at launch Xfire did a big group thing where if you joined the xfire group you had a chance to win based on hours played and so forth.
So naturally the numbers are a bit off because of the demographics.
On average I believe LOTRO is doing better, but you still may be seeing a huge boon in players playing AoC right now due to the expansion coming out and all of the publicity being churned up for it.
As far as Tortage goes... it's the best part of the game as far as I can tell. After that things progressively get slower and more dull. This is coming from a guy who played from launch and then once hitting 50-55 got bored, so I obviously don't know what the end game is like.
Yes, truth ^^^^. And we are forgetting one simple point: Not everyone uses xfire!
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ROFL man! Brilliant and poignant
Yes, AoC is leading in the numbers so for god sake be happy they made a great come back and face palm the haters or don't. I mean so what if AoC is over Lotr, they are both good MMORPG and I strongly think AoC should be over Aion.
This Is very true I play both I am a lifer at LORTO but not active ATM. AOC has seen a very large up swing lately the jury is still out on whether or not this will last. Turbine has put LORTO on the back burner ever sense moria and with their new cash cow DDO pulling more and more resources away from LORTO no telling when that game will take off again.
The game "AOC" might see some ups in player base, with the new expansion and all. However those people won't stay very long. Once you get passed the newbie zone that game is a short joke. The game quickly becomes "meh".
The global chat is the biggest turn off, aside from the games engine. Boy does that game run poorly lol, the network layer they have as of now is complete trash.
Anyway, I agree with what Elusivex said, as the topics moot people will forget about this game anyway.
BTW: Lord of The Rings online is a better game. Just my opinion.
Lol, the poop post is great: I don't agree with it, I think both LotrO and AoC are fun games, yeah no shit, but if all the negative posts were that creative and funny I wouldn't mind them at all
AoC is doing good now, but I wouldn't dismiss LotrO: its world is simply vast, I think the Books additional content is a great touch, and it has one of the most relaxed communities I've encountered in any MMO (unless you went and in a funny mood created a char named 'roflcopter', then they're on to you as a pack of starving rabid wolves: what, no PvP on the server? Try fending off a storm of angry tells there) .
Plus, there's still a lot to go on: I mean, who wouldn't want to experience the fights in Rohan, or the siege of Minas Tirith, the White City? Plus I expect them to add Erebor, the Lonely Mountain, and Esgaroth as well, which would tie nicely in with the upcoming Hobbit movies (if they ever come).
So, I think it would be a bad move of Turbine if they would neglect the LotrO franchise, it has some potentially great content it could use for expansions.
@Deathglare: seems you don't like AoC, well, that's your right, tastes differ. But I hope you can accept that not everybody has or should have the same taste as you, and that there are enough people that can enjoy AoC where you didn't. Unless you don't like it if people are having fun in a game where you didn't, but I expect that's not the case.
The ACTUAL size of MMORPG worlds: a comparison list between MMO's
The ease with which predictions are made on these forums:
Fratman: "I'm saying Spring 2012 at the earliest [for TOR release]. Anyone still clinging to 2011 is deluding themself at this point."
Can't believe someone actually reported elusivex post earlier.. It was one of the most hilarious things I've read on these forums in ages. Unfathomable that someone would actually find that shit offensive
Whoever did it; grow a comedic sense, the world's a pretty sarcastic place.