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another finatic's fanatic posts. full of unverified numbers but I am so used to this I won't even bother...
What I don't understand is the claim that AoC is doing the same as with 1.05. This is obvious lie and if you refer to xfire i already presented to you a theory which holds water - AoC is all the time dropping during weekends and it picks up during weekdays. the reason I would speculate is the age of players. (the theory was proven every single week till this one - lets see how it picks up it next days)
I noticed that too, weekend measurements gave consistently lower logged-on player numbers than weekday evenings over several servers, on the same weekends that Xfire showed higher player numbers.
The ACTUAL size of MMORPG worlds: a comparison list between MMO's
The ease with which predictions are made on these forums:
Fratman: "I'm saying Spring 2012 at the earliest [for TOR release]. Anyone still clinging to 2011 is deluding themself at this point."
To answer the title, No.
"MT: That's right, Dungeons & Dragons Online right now is about eight percent of the market, LOTRO is number eight in the marketplace with five percent. Combined, thirteen percent of MMO gamers are playing Turbine games. That positions Warner Bros. right away in MMOs, and that's clearly a direction we're headed in the future."
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Even if it is, once LotRO becomes F2P, it will surpass AoC.
@Mrbloodworth: nice info + link, thanks, I'm gonna use that in another thread ;-)
The ACTUAL size of MMORPG worlds: a comparison list between MMO's
The ease with which predictions are made on these forums:
Fratman: "I'm saying Spring 2012 at the earliest [for TOR release]. Anyone still clinging to 2011 is deluding themself at this point."
Not quite it depends on how TW (their track hasn't been that good) will run Turbine in the coming months will they $$ all they can while switching core talent to the next MMO.
I will let that lie statement go because you havn't seen these numbers yet so you can edit your post too say how awesome I am for enlightening you.
I couldn't find when 1.05 came out but it must have come out after may 20, 2009 http://www.incgamers.com/Games/24/News/16443/age-of-conan-update-105-details
June 7 2009 Xfire...1 year ago just before or a couple weeks after patch 1.05 per http://ardwulfslair.wordpress.com/2009/06/07/digging-into-xfire-numbers/
It was before the welcome back campaign which did boost numbers up past 2,000 almost two months after this data was gathered. http://forums.ageofconan.com/showthread.php?t=200613
Title
Xfire Rank
Minutes Played
Users/Day
Minutes/User
Age of Conan
37
474,280
1,695
280
Compare to today, one year later....http://www.xfire.com/games/aoc/Age_of_Conan_Hyborian_Adventures/
1,695 users per day then minus 1,137 users per day today is a 558 loss but remember xfire numbers are huge so that is a much bigger real loss. No the wekends vs. weekdays is much smaller and that is true in all MMOs, RL age wise AoC players are no more mature than EQ, WoW, or LOTRO players there was a big study on this a couple years back but I know from playing games for every 16 year old there is a 40-50 year old man and most are in the mid 20s....the numbers may fall 5-15% on weekends but after the first month the numbers are down a lot so Funcom needs to find new ways to get money but they already have a ftp thing so maybe they can expand it like AO as LOTRO will steal subscriptions.
Funcom has reviewed all of its assets relevant for
impairment testing. This process has led to
recognition of an impairment loss of around
3,1 MUSD for Age of Conan due to a decrease in
numbers of subscribers for the game. Funcom Q4 10 report.
http://forums.ageofconan.com/showpost.php?p=2926123&postcount=7 500 mains/alts on Tyranny in past 30 days - instead of merge servers let's open a new PvP server, again! http://forums-eu.ageofconan.com/showthread.php?t=106427
Biased bullshit, as usual, but if people want to continue their petty anti-AoC rampage I'm happy to help enlighten: XFire numbers were down to 450-600 end of last year - beginning this year, since then it has steadily grown to the numbers it has today.
But as further show that XFire numbers are amusing but that only fools consider them as any reliable measurement to depend on: while XFire show that the weekends have the peak player numbers, repeated population counts ingame show consistently that those same weekends have the lower numbers of players logged in, with the peak on weekdays.
Since you're not playing the game, only commenting upon it, your "facts" from AoC and other MMO's in your posts are regularly based upon hearsay, sloppy information gathering and sometimes even completely fictional.
And regarding population: actually AoC player populations are doing pretty well at the moment, they're double to triple what they were at the beginning of the year; of course, that's the effect of the expansion that helped, so we'll see where it'll end up in a few months.
And no, that doesn't mean AoC has caught up LotrO in player numbers, but as a number of people who actually play the two games stated, LotrO's population was slinking while AoC's population has been growing; in that viewpoint it isn't a bad move from Turbine at all to implement a hybrid F2P model for LotrO, it'll certainly shake things up for LotrO.
The ACTUAL size of MMORPG worlds: a comparison list between MMO's
The ease with which predictions are made on these forums:
Fratman: "I'm saying Spring 2012 at the earliest [for TOR release]. Anyone still clinging to 2011 is deluding themself at this point."
You missed the point I said the numbers are below what they where a year ago around when patch 1.05 released. the patch that gained this game most improved yet drove off 2/3 Xfire users like you stated.
Yeah, right after the expansion the numbers where up to 1500+ users per day, almost a month later they are down to 1100 and yeah it is up from 500 a couple months ago but will it stay up will it grow, atm it is headed down and it has only been a month and we both know how slow stuff is developed. Just saying i use available data so it is much more accurate than OMG this game is growing as those where always wrong.......however yeah xpansion increased numbers, not enough but the direction is now heading down.
Finaly, the numbers have been in the 1100 range since early last week.
Yeah I have been watching AoC's revenues fall for two years as reliable info which actually stays consistant with Xfire's numbers dropping...2 years now of reliable results, the expansion will boost it but likely fall again after box sales and item packs are tallied and people get bored and leave like it seems is already starting. However, costs from releasing the expansion will increase costs as well.
At the end of the day, Funcom needs to make 40+ million USD to start making money do to losing 40+ mil already.
Funcom has reviewed all of its assets relevant for
impairment testing. This process has led to
recognition of an impairment loss of around
3,1 MUSD for Age of Conan due to a decrease in
numbers of subscribers for the game. Funcom Q4 10 report.
http://forums.ageofconan.com/showpost.php?p=2926123&postcount=7 500 mains/alts on Tyranny in past 30 days - instead of merge servers let's open a new PvP server, again! http://forums-eu.ageofconan.com/showthread.php?t=106427
"oh look at me I am playing with numbers praying to gods people won't see me through"
a.) the numbers posted are biased - my guess is that they are posted around the time 1.05 was released (maybe even the exact day) which make them unreal.
b.) Age of Conan undergoes a werid phenomenom every weekend. I attribute it to the players demographic. If you look into it, the game loses every week 5- 10 places on xfire rankings which it regains during weekdays.
also i dont understand what u mean by numbers being down ... may 31st is 2nd biggest peak and after downtime the graph shows steady increase
You are confusing users per day which is important with the graph of users times time played which isn't very important.......yeah if AoC was a pay per hour game like some asian games then it would work but the users per day are down by 400 from the first two weeks of the expansion.
Find another user per day quote from a year ago.....the one I posted had nothing to do with AoC it was just a random snapshot from 1 year ago.
Yeah PM Amazing Avery he has been watching users per day and would notice it goind down...to me it isn't a big deal as it is expected. but hours are worthless do to this http://forums.ageofconan.com/showpost.php?p=2766688&postcount=7
Funcom has reviewed all of its assets relevant for
impairment testing. This process has led to
recognition of an impairment loss of around
3,1 MUSD for Age of Conan due to a decrease in
numbers of subscribers for the game. Funcom Q4 10 report.
http://forums.ageofconan.com/showpost.php?p=2926123&postcount=7 500 mains/alts on Tyranny in past 30 days - instead of merge servers let's open a new PvP server, again! http://forums-eu.ageofconan.com/showthread.php?t=106427
I played them both today ( so I guess I cancel myself out)and I don't even know what X-Fire is.
We are using what we have. Xfire is very stupid tool since it is a priori statistic tool and doesn't even save statistics, let alone give extensive info on demographics ...
Totally agree...I REALLY like both Games and I hope they both do well so I can continue to Play both...
I would care who has more players ... I mean for statistic purpouse! ... and that I like newbis running in the newbies areas
I just subbed to AOC with the expansion release. Seems fun atm at least, haven't touched PVP or endgame yet though.
And I have no idea what Xfire is and certinaly don't use it.
And more importantly Neowiz just reported that AoC players in Korea surpassed 200 000 people on 7 servers. Interesting that 7 servers host 200 000 players, when EU and US have 15 servers... I would say it's likely that AoC are above 400 k now. Not even the most rabbid LotRO fanboy would claim that (perhaps from LotRO fanboy no 1... Have a guess
)
So I would say AoC is bigger than LotRO by fare. LotRO are recently reported to only have one server going at decent population.
The Ultimate Breakdown
It went 'up' to 30th? A week ago it was 25th and ahead of Lotro, now it is 5 spots behind LotRO and falling.
1. AOC had an increase in 'played time' because old players were spending more time harvesting nodes for pvp exp
2. AOC had an active promotion going on with Xfire, which is now over. Longterm players were asked to use Xfire for the past month to win extra rewards. There weren't more AOC subscribers.. there were just more AOC subscribers using Xfire because of the contest.
It's funny that the OP starts this thread to promote AOC because of 'good' xfire numbers. Now that AOC is falling back to the 50's, everyone is saying Xfire doesn't matter.
Seriously, Funcom should just stop developing games and become a marketing company, that is the only nonsense they know how to do.
http://aoc.yg.com/profiles?rnk=1
120,000 characters on all those 15 servers in last 30 days...I guess people don't play alts in AoC.
However, that is a good point that server mergers need to happen as we know many of the servers are very empty. and as you pointed out all of them are way under capacity do to how AoC instances all zones.
I don't think the most ravid AoC player could say AoC is much higher than 100k subs.....if it where Funcom would tell the world for publicity.
yeah i do find it strange that xfire is only usefull when numbers are up but lotro is ahead now so lotro won..
Funcom has reviewed all of its assets relevant for
impairment testing. This process has led to
recognition of an impairment loss of around
3,1 MUSD for Age of Conan due to a decrease in
numbers of subscribers for the game. Funcom Q4 10 report.
http://forums.ageofconan.com/showpost.php?p=2926123&postcount=7 500 mains/alts on Tyranny in past 30 days - instead of merge servers let's open a new PvP server, again! http://forums-eu.ageofconan.com/showthread.php?t=106427
I find your statements amusing because you speak like "we" is everyone. I fail to see how anyone can believe what you say when you have not played either game for over a year. Simply put all that is left is opinions that are not your own from quotes that do not belong to you. Your points would be far more respected if you could back them up with personal experience. You expect readers to take what you say on faith and your "goodwill". Nah... ain't gonna happen.
Doesn't matter the population, matters if you like it or not.
Yeah, I also don't get why mmorpg.com isn't doing anything about it. You'd think that with their strict policies they would act upon people who keep posting nothing but flame and troll posts about a game they haven't even played for years.
XFire, heh... it's a funny, amusing tool, but even funnier are the people who think it is reliable or representative in any sense, let alone for accurate comparative analysis.
Player population is still doing pretty good, actually. Player numbers have been steadily growing since the beginning of this year - there has been an added peak with the expansion, as expected, a peak that also diminishes slightly, as also expected.
Overall the line has gradually been going upwards, and the expansion has generally been received well by reviewers as well as players.
To those who would enjoy nothing less than see Funcom fail and in their spite hate seeing other people enjoy AoC: get a life.
You're acting as if Funcom people have been screwing your girlfriend, sister and mother while you had to watch, while at the same time undergoing an epic raid by assriders on you.
If you don't like the game or the company, move on to things that you do like. Or better yet, move away.
The ACTUAL size of MMORPG worlds: a comparison list between MMO's
The ease with which predictions are made on these forums:
Fratman: "I'm saying Spring 2012 at the earliest [for TOR release]. Anyone still clinging to 2011 is deluding themself at this point."
Ohh come on, don't be to hard on him. I am sure many of us AoC players have learned to like him over his 1000nds of posts about AoC. I feel genuinly sorry for him/her when people ignore his/her long posts about AoC stuff from the alternate universe. He/she has become our mascot I would say. Don't give up!!! You can do it!!!
The Ultimate Breakdown
User TSWBETAROGS which has two of Funcom's games included in the title brought up xfire to compare to LOTRO.
Now that LOTRO is again ahead of AoC like usual you blame it on me? Silly. It isn't a big deal if you like AoC fine, just don't make up numbers about how well it is doing and ignore the ones to the contrary.
So far AoC has done progressively worse, if it's population keeps sloping down as Xfire would indicate then it is business as usual. Actually it needs to slope up and peak much higher so Funcom can become profitable for multiple quarters. The OP brought up a good point with the xfire campaign so maybe fewer strated playing AoC and more AoC players jumped on Xfire. I don't know.
So far I havn't heard any news of the next AoC expansion, if nothing is heard about the next expansion for a few months then that would be a bad sign but the head developer is supposedly on vacation for the summer or something.
Funcom has reviewed all of its assets relevant for
impairment testing. This process has led to
recognition of an impairment loss of around
3,1 MUSD for Age of Conan due to a decrease in
numbers of subscribers for the game. Funcom Q4 10 report.
http://forums.ageofconan.com/showpost.php?p=2926123&postcount=7 500 mains/alts on Tyranny in past 30 days - instead of merge servers let's open a new PvP server, again! http://forums-eu.ageofconan.com/showthread.php?t=106427
No offense but do you actually have a life outside of this? What do you seek to achieve by preaching here, considering what we got like 20 people who read this section of this forum and most people have put you ignore.