There is an awful lot of misinformation or stupidity out there.
LotRO is not going 'free to play' in the model of a game like perfect world or runes of magic. It is NOT a traditional free to play game. Most of those games have their content free, but require HEAVY use of the item shop to be able to experience it. LotRO you are buying the content, just as you would in a p2p game (with one notable exception). You just control how much of it you want to buy. The only place they are crossing the lines here a little is with the traits. It depends on the pricing how bad this is or not. If the community was smart this would be the one thing to be vocal on. If there is enough outcry against this one particular thing perhaps turbine could be convinced to change its mind. but even these will be a oen time purchase, not something you continually need to repurchase over and over to bleed money out of you.
And the bashing of eq2's item shop? EQ2 has the highest amount of extras and fun stuff out there of any game on the market. All the pets and illusions and house items and such. No game can come close. So they make some and charge for them. its not like they dont continue to develop the free stuff. EQ2s dev team is probably the most productive dev team compared to its player base out there. greedy would be resting back on the massive amount of stuff already in game and only make cash shop stuff. EQ2 continues to provide free options as well. just visit 10 tier 3 guild halls and see what % of them are cash shop bought.
Thank you for posting this and saving me the hassle! After reading the OP I was thinking the exact same thoughts and was prepping myself to post a response, but you completely hit the nail on the head here. As I continue on through my years of gaming I find it seriously pathetic how many folks complain because for whatever reason (change in payment method, changes to game play, etc) they get "digitally castrated" and cant fathom the idea of not being able to wave their giant epeen around. When did MMO's stop being about having fun with groups of online friends and all about showing off your new nifty-difty *Insert game item here*?
Just a simple note to those of you out there that do "wave the epeen around", the rest of us really dont care. When you show off that special item you got after only 33 hours straight of gaming, the rest of us with outside of the game world, simply sit back in our chairs, shake our heads and laugh at you. I understand a large percentage of MMO player base is comprised of younger teens that have a lot of free time, are going through "changes" in their lives, and who dont fully understand how to control themselves, but it really saddens me when folks who claim to be 18, 25, 30+ years of age still feel the need to act out in this manner or try and convince the rest of us that a specific game is no longer worth playing just because they no longer have that ability. Honestly, I welcome LOTRO F2P with open arms. Im not a huge fan of most F2P games, but Turbine did a bang up job with DDO if you ask me and once its F2P I may actually spend some quality time back in LOTRO again. On top of that I will likely have friends who normally dont play MMO's due to subscription fee's right there along side me if I do.
HUH hope you mean for these new mmos and not Everquest. Having and EPIC in EQ meant you did spend time with groups of people online and you had a social life within the game. Thats what to me makes Epic weapons in EQ so awesome. The hard battles and having to overcome them with your guildies. Then getting to show it off to the rest of the gamers that envy you because you did accomplish something in the game.
He obviously hasn't experience Turbine's free-to-play model it is not like those "asian" f2p models by no means
Wrong assumption. Are you able to find XP potions while playing DDO? Are you able to hire more than one henchmen if you don't spend US dollars? Are you able to conjure up shrines without buying for them through the shop? Are you able to rez yourself from a party wipe in a dungeon without using the item shop? Please feel free to correct me.
Is Turbine as blatant as asian f2p? Nope. Do they offer you special "perks"? Yes. Funny how those perks used to be called cheating when they were in the form of gold-buying or power-leveling. Why is it all the sudden not cheating?
Why are you do you feel those perks should be available outside of gameplay experience?
Do you feel gold-buying and paying for power-leveling services is ok? If not, how is it any different when its sanctioned by the company that is suppose to be giving us a fun gaming experience.
Crafted stuff sold in an item shop? Where's that idea come from? Was it in their announcement somewhere?
Crafted gear is already a joke, since Mines of Moria and the introduction of Radiance gear!
And it has gotten even worse since Mirkwood.
Yeah crafter always seam to get the shaft.
Well people say WOW crafting is a "joke" or "worthless", despite it offering competitive items at virtually every phase of progression in WOW.
So are we talking about WOW-style "worthlessness", where people are simply overexaggerating things?
Or are we talking about crafted gear genuinely being harder to get or less powerful throughout every phase of the game?
(...and no it doesn't count if 90% of it is crap, because it's the 10% which isn't crap that makes a tradeskill worthwhile.)
Crafted gear isn't bad for the most part. I mostly used crafted gear up until 50 or so.
Where crafted gear starts to fail is the high end stuff.
For instance, there really isn't a reason to use a high end crafted weapon as the legendary items will be better. The high end crafted armor is ok but you can get comparable for tokens from skirmishes and the radiance armor is still a bit better.
But though I'm not much of an alt person I always go for crafted armor when I am in the mood to work on my alt.
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5) No longer with getting that rare horse drop be so presitgious. Everybody will have one. Only 8.99 this week!!! Limited supplies get one now!! Or worse, you can only obtain an item through the shop. Are we grocery shopping here, or playing a game trying to build a legacy? Its a total sham that you can't obtain items through the game you are playing. Instead you have to buy it through an item shop. Is that what we all envisioned this genre to be? Paying for items from outside sources instead of playing the game to get ingame rewards?
Only if the reason you play is dick-waving, which is absolutely pathetic. If all you care about is showing off, sorry, get over yourself.
Did you ever play a mmorpg? There is dick-waving everywhere in these games. If it wasn't than why the hell would so many peoples buy a stupid pet for 25$?
If by 'stupid pet for 25$' you mean the My little Sparklestar pony, it's rather simple. People dropped 25 bucks to never really have to worry about a mount for ANY toon they ever make again in WoW. If you're takling about other cosmetic pets? Well that's simple too, because people collect them.
This is the ultimate culmination of the "instant gratification" mentality that has plagued MMORPGs in recent years.
It wasn't enough to dumb the games down, and make sure you never had to accomplish anything....now you don't even have to PLAY to get that next "New Shiny" (tm) item....just BUY IT with your credit card!!
This is the beginning of something VERY, VERY bad. You think WoW did permenant damage to MMORPGs?? Just wait 'till THIS little shit-flower blossoms.
We went from virtual worlds, to virtual Wal-Mart. And the lazy-ass "GIMME! GIMME! GIMME!" generation cheered the whole time.
HUH hope you mean for these new mmos and not Everquest. Having and EPIC in EQ meant you did spend time with groups of people online and you had a social life within the game. Thats what to me makes Epic weapons in EQ so awesome. The hard battles and having to overcome them with your guildies. Then getting to show it off to the rest of the gamers that envy you because you did accomplish something in the game.
If I may, I'll once again refer to my previous statement:
" Just a simple note to those of you out there that do "wave the epeen around", the rest of us really dont care. When you show off that special item you got after only 33 hours straight of gaming, the rest of us with lives outside of the game world, simply sit back in our chairs, shake our heads and laugh at you. "
Being laughed at and being Envied are two completely different things.
Crafted gear in LotrO is actually pretty good for everything except raiding.
I think that's probably true. I'm slowyly getting a champion to max level and I seriously doubt that I'll do any raiding so I'm not planning on doing anything to get radiance gear.
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HUH hope you mean for these new mmos and not Everquest. Having and EPIC in EQ meant you did spend time with groups of people online and you had a social life within the game. Thats what to me makes Epic weapons in EQ so awesome. The hard battles and having to overcome them with your guildies. Then getting to show it off to the rest of the gamers that envy you because you did accomplish something in the game.
If I may, I'll once again refer to my previous statement:
" Just a simple note to those of you out there that do "wave the epeen around", the rest of us really dont care. When you show off that special item you got after only 33 hours straight of gaming, the rest of us with lives outside of the game world, simply sit back in our chairs, shake our heads and laugh at you. "
Being laughed at and being Envied are two completely different things.
Well then i say to you sir or maam your full of S***. Yeah you can have a life outside of the game my fault for wording it incorrectly because i didnt get my EPIC all quick like that in 33hours it took months but i felt like i did something inside the game that was satisfying. I have a life outside of MMO's and it come first and always but i play to have fun and EPICs to me bring you into the game community aswell and not have you sitting there like a LONER everytime you log in to play. Where is the fun in that. Im not saying you have to get an EPIC but to say i sat there n laughed at someone who was showing it off is ubsurd.
5) No longer with getting that rare horse drop be so presitgious. Everybody will have one. Only 8.99 this week!!! Limited supplies get one now!! Or worse, you can only obtain an item through the shop. Are we grocery shopping here, or playing a game trying to build a legacy? Its a total sham that you can't obtain items through the game you are playing. Instead you have to buy it through an item shop. Is that what we all envisioned this genre to be? Paying for items from outside sources instead of playing the game to get ingame rewards?
Uhmm...so? Who cares really? It's not going to change how the game is played. If the only downside to me buying a horse is that you feel less self worth...the problem is yours not mine.
4) No more economy from things like healing potions, or any other potion these shops deem non-essential to crafters. Would WoW even have an economy if you could just buy enchants and potions from the online store? No, it wouldn't. Buying goods in EC tunnels in EQ was a unique experience that I loved. Why is that devs thinks it OK to leave out the economy? In DDO, the only way to get powerful potions is through the online store.
The economy will change to different things. DDO has a thriving economy. Turbine knows how to make an RMT store that works. Play DDO and see for yourself, it's a great game.
3) Our games will become less about accomplishments. Hard to believe, but yes after all those 100% XP pots, and 100% increased loot potions what will anything mean? It used to be prestigious. Now, its a sellout.
My game never was about that. My game is about having fun. If this makes me able to enjoy a game free, that's even better. You can still strive to accomplish things in free games.
2) Our MMORPGs are quickly turning into a quick-serve chain. Need a healer? Buy one for 1 hour for only 2 dollars!! Need a quick heal? Buy it!! Need that extra XP? Buy it!! Need a boost in stats? Buy it!! Need help taking down Da Crusher? Buy your help!!
The alternative is this: Need a healer...too damn bad do without. At least with hirelings you can continue to play when your friend/s are not online or you cannot find a person in game to help. And before you say there are plenty of people to ask...I play in the real world, not your fantasy land. I know how hard it is to get help in the lowbie content. People want to power level you through it, they DO NOT want to PLAY through it with you. I don't want to be power leveled. I want to experience the content at my own pace so I can enjoy it. If I could buy a 2 dollar healer then I would not have to stop playing because I could not find help. This is a good thing.
1) Content being adjusted to shop items. This will happen. XP will be reduced to a crawl to entice people to buy. Loot will be rare, unless you buy a potion. That mob will need everyone in the raid to buy that special potion that reduces damage, or increases damage, or gives more HP.
This did not happen in DDO, I do not see it happening in Lotro. They used DDO as a learning device to make this decision. It worked beautifully. They are not going to change what they KNOW works. That would be stupid. Why not give it a chance? Those loot potions aren't as OMGUBER as you think.
I was once all for online shops. But then I thought about how the items in the shops can't be found ingame. That makes no sense for a MMORPG. That only hurts the spirit of what this genre once was. Can we even call that gaming? Or just shopping?
Yes it's gaming with convenience and it's more fun. I like cosmetic changes I buy from the store. It's fun to customize how I look and the points make it easy. If you do not like them...DO NOT USE THEM.
MMORPGs are quickly becoming less about the adventure and interaction amongst players, and more about giving players an immediate service for a fee.
I do not see this and have no clue where you are getting this...I assume it's a misguided opinion.
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HUH hope you mean for these new mmos and not Everquest. Having and EPIC in EQ meant you did spend time with groups of people online and you had a social life within the game. Thats what to me makes Epic weapons in EQ so awesome. The hard battles and having to overcome them with your guildies. Then getting to show it off to the rest of the gamers that envy you because you did accomplish something in the game.
If I may, I'll once again refer to my previous statement:
" Just a simple note to those of you out there that do "wave the epeen around", the rest of us really dont care. When you show off that special item you got after only 33 hours straight of gaming, the rest of us with lives outside of the game world, simply sit back in our chairs, shake our heads and laugh at you. "
Being laughed at and being Envied are two completely different things.
You just don't get it do you? Players want stuff to "wave their epeen around". The only debate here is that some want to get these stuff ingame and some want to take the shortcut and pay for it so they can wave it without bothering to get it. If you think that "waveing the epeen" is not worth than why do you want to pay for these shiny things. What's the reason. I understand why for those who p2p because this x item took an effort to get but you who buy, you just buy it to wave it to others.
5) No longer with getting that rare horse drop be so presitgious. Everybody will have one. Only 8.99 this week!!! Limited supplies get one now!! Or worse, you can only obtain an item through the shop. Are we grocery shopping here, or playing a game trying to build a legacy? Its a total sham that you can't obtain items through the game you are playing. Instead you have to buy it through an item shop. Is that what we all envisioned this genre to be? Paying for items from outside sources instead of playing the game to get ingame rewards?
Only if the reason you play is dick-waving, which is absolutely pathetic. If all you care about is showing off, sorry, get over yourself.
Did you ever play a mmorpg? There is dick-waving everywhere in these games. If it wasn't than why the hell would so many peoples buy a stupid pet for 25$?
If by 'stupid pet for 25$' you mean the My little Sparklestar pony, it's rather simple. People dropped 25 bucks to never really have to worry about a mount for ANY toon they ever make again in WoW. If you're takling about other cosmetic pets? Well that's simple too, because people collect them.
Collect them to reach that 100 pet achievment thing so they have something to wave at others who didn't reach it.
5) No longer with getting that rare horse drop be so presitgious. Everybody will have one. Only 8.99 this week!!! Limited supplies get one now!! Or worse, you can only obtain an item through the shop. Are we grocery shopping here, or playing a game trying to build a legacy? Its a total sham that you can't obtain items through the game you are playing. Instead you have to buy it through an item shop. Is that what we all envisioned this genre to be? Paying for items from outside sources instead of playing the game to get ingame rewards?
Only if the reason you play is dick-waving, which is absolutely pathetic. If all you care about is showing off, sorry, get over yourself.
Did you ever play a mmorpg? There is dick-waving everywhere in these games. If it wasn't than why the hell would so many peoples buy a stupid pet for 25$?
If by 'stupid pet for 25$' you mean the My little Sparklestar pony, it's rather simple. People dropped 25 bucks to never really have to worry about a mount for ANY toon they ever make again in WoW. If you're takling about other cosmetic pets? Well that's simple too, because people collect them.
Collect them to reach that 100 pet achievment thing so they have something to wave at others who didn't reach it.
lol....what like "OOOOH!!! Look how much money I wasted on PIXELS!!"
5) No longer with getting that rare horse drop be so presitgious. Everybody will have one. Only 8.99 this week!!! Limited supplies get one now!! Or worse, you can only obtain an item through the shop. Are we grocery shopping here, or playing a game trying to build a legacy? Its a total sham that you can't obtain items through the game you are playing. Instead you have to buy it through an item shop. Is that what we all envisioned this genre to be? Paying for items from outside sources instead of playing the game to get ingame rewards?
Only if the reason you play is dick-waving, which is absolutely pathetic. If all you care about is showing off, sorry, get over yourself.
Did you ever play a mmorpg? There is dick-waving everywhere in these games. If it wasn't than why the hell would so many peoples buy a stupid pet for 25$?
If by 'stupid pet for 25$' you mean the My little Sparklestar pony, it's rather simple. People dropped 25 bucks to never really have to worry about a mount for ANY toon they ever make again in WoW. If you're takling about other cosmetic pets? Well that's simple too, because people collect them.
Collect them to reach that 100 pet achievment thing so they have something to wave at others who didn't reach it.
lol....what like "OOOOH!!! Look how much money I wasted on PIXELS!!"
Tell that to all those peoples who wasted cash on pixels. There are a lot. To me it sounds silly and so it does to you but there are a lot of those who think different.
lol....what like "OOOOH!!! Look how much money I wasted on PIXELS!!"
Talk to anyone who doesn't play games, and they'd say the exact same thing about anyone who actively subscribes to a video game, especially if they've been paying $15/month for many years to play the same game.
HUH hope you mean for these new mmos and not Everquest. Having and EPIC in EQ meant you did spend time with groups of people online and you had a social life within the game. Thats what to me makes Epic weapons in EQ so awesome. The hard battles and having to overcome them with your guildies. Then getting to show it off to the rest of the gamers that envy you because you did accomplish something in the game.
If I may, I'll once again refer to my previous statement:
" Just a simple note to those of you out there that do "wave the epeen around", the rest of us really dont care. When you show off that special item you got after only 33 hours straight of gaming, the rest of us with lives outside of the game world, simply sit back in our chairs, shake our heads and laugh at you. "
Being laughed at and being Envied are two completely different things.
You just don't get it do you? Players want stuff to "wave their epeen around". The only debate here is that some want to get these stuff ingame and some want to take the shortcut and pay for it so they can wave it without bothering to get it. If you think that "waveing the epeen" is not worth than why do you want to pay for these shiny things. What's the reason. I understand why for those who p2p because this x item took an effort to get but you who buy, you just buy it to wave it to others.
lol, imagine that, some people might want to get it to you know, play the game and have fun, not to go "OMG look what i haaaavvee!!!!1!11".
And a great big LOL to those who think theres any "effort" or "accomplisment" in playing a videogame, what exactly makes one persons time more valuable than another persons money? oh ya nothing.
Apparently stating the truth in my sig is "trolling" Sig typo fixed thanks to an observant stragen001.
He obviously hasn't experience Turbine's free-to-play model it is not like those "asian" f2p models by no means
Wrong assumption. Are you able to find XP potions while playing DDO? Are you able to hire more than one henchmen if you don't spend US dollars? Are you able to conjure up shrines without buying for them through the shop? Are you able to rez yourself from a party wipe in a dungeon without using the item shop? Please feel free to correct me.
You can earn store currency simply by playing DDO (according to this), so it seems like the answer is "yes" in all cases.
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5) No longer with getting that rare horse drop be so presitgious. Everybody will have one. Only 8.99 this week!!! Limited supplies get one now!! Or worse, you can only obtain an item through the shop. Are we grocery shopping here, or playing a game trying to build a legacy? Its a total sham that you can't obtain items through the game you are playing. Instead you have to buy it through an item shop. Is that what we all envisioned this genre to be? Paying for items from outside sources instead of playing the game to get ingame rewards?
4) No more economy from things like healing potions, or any other potion these shops deem non-essential to crafters. Would WoW even have an economy if you could just buy enchants and potions from the online store? No, it wouldn't. Buying goods in EC tunnels in EQ was a unique experience that I loved. Why is that devs thinks it OK to leave out the economy? In DDO, the only way to get powerful potions is through the online store.
3) Our games will become less about accomplishments. Hard to believe, but yes after all those 100% XP pots, and 100% increased loot potions what will anything mean? It used to be prestigious. Now, its a sellout.
2) Our MMORPGs are quickly turning into a quick-serve chain. Need a healer? Buy one for 1 hour for only 2 dollars!! Need a quick heal? Buy it!! Need that extra XP? Buy it!! Need a boost in stats? Buy it!! Need help taking down Da Crusher? Buy your help!!
1) Content being adjusted to shop items. This will happen. XP will be reduced to a crawl to entice people to buy. Loot will be rare, unless you buy a potion. That mob will need everyone in the raid to buy that special potion that reduces damage, or increases damage, or gives more HP.
I was once all for online shops. But then I thought about how the items in the shops can't be found ingame. That makes no sense for a MMORPG. That only hurts the spirit of what this genre once was. Can we even call that gaming? Or just shopping?
MMORPGs are quickly becoming less about the adventure and interaction amongst players, and more about giving players an immediate service for a fee.
Your QQing is delicious. I cannot wait till all games have this model and you MMO dinosaurs can dissapear into obscurity. But just to play your game I will prove you wrong.
5. Convinience items, pots and quest unlocks (expansions) will be in the store. No game changing gear (as said by devs)
4. So? The economy blows anyways. Pretty much all high level players have a pot making alt anyways (I have 3 60+ toons and 6 others leveling up). Economy revolves around selling hides, wood, jewelry, etc in the future.
3. LOL, this is pure conjecture and you have no actual proof. So this isnt even a valid complaint (are you 12 years old?)
2. There is no system in lotro to "buy a healer". Guildwars yes but lotro would need A LOT of changes to makes something like this work. Devs said there would be no "I WIN" stuff in the shop.
1. More conjecture based on none existant information. What mobs requires the pots? What game has this system? I am willing to bet there will never be 100% loot potions...the amount of game changing and coding needed to make that work would be retarded.
ps. Im not sure why trolls like you are allowed to post on this forum....Its obvious your weak arguments are only meant to be inflamatory. Mods sure require actual PROOF when claims such as yours are made. Otherwise you are just slandering a game and a company.
5) No longer with getting that rare horse drop be so presitgious. Everybody will have one. Only 8.99 this week!!! Limited supplies get one now!! Or worse, you can only obtain an item through the shop. Are we grocery shopping here, or playing a game trying to build a legacy? Its a total sham that you can't obtain items through the game you are playing. Instead you have to buy it through an item shop. Is that what we all envisioned this genre to be? Paying for items from outside sources instead of playing the game to get ingame rewards?
Only if the reason you play is dick-waving, which is absolutely pathetic. If all you care about is showing off, sorry, get over yourself.
Did you ever play a mmorpg? There is dick-waving everywhere in these games. If it wasn't than why the hell would so many peoples buy a stupid pet for 25$?
If by 'stupid pet for 25$' you mean the My little Sparklestar pony, it's rather simple. People dropped 25 bucks to never really have to worry about a mount for ANY toon they ever make again in WoW. If you're takling about other cosmetic pets? Well that's simple too, because people collect them.
Collect them to reach that 100 pet achievment thing so they have something to wave at others who didn't reach it.
lol....what like "OOOOH!!! Look how much money I wasted on PIXELS!!"
There is a very big difference between someone trying to 'dick-wave' some item or achievement at other players and other players actually being impressed by it.
In WoW noone is really impressed if you have the Celestial Stead or have the 100 pet achievement. They tend to be characterized as 'cute' things to have but anyone who actually wants to brag about them will look pretty pathetic.
'Dick-waving' might impress other 'dick-wavers' but it will not get you any type of prestige with the general player population.
lol....what like "OOOOH!!! Look how much money I wasted on PIXELS!!"
Talk to anyone who doesn't play games, and they'd say the exact same thing about anyone who actively subscribes to a video game, especially if they've been paying $15/month for many years to play the same game.
And I tell them how idiotic it is that they spend over $100 a month on cable TV, so they can sit there and watch other people live their lives instead of bothering to live their own.
And I tell them how idiotic it is that they spend over $100 a month on cable TV, so they can sit there and watch other people live their lives instead of bothering to live their own.
That shuts them up pretty fast.
As opposed to sitting in front of a computer with a mouse and keyboard, watching the virtual life of a pixelated character unfold as you play a game? Come on. That's a weak argument.
And I tell them how idiotic it is that they spend over $100 a month on cable TV, so they can sit there and watch other people live their lives instead of bothering to live their own.
That shuts them up pretty fast.
As opposed to sitting in front of a computer with a mouse and keyboard, watching the virtual life of a pixelated character unfold as you play a game? Come on. That's a weak argument.
no it's not. what do you do while watching tv? push a button on the remote every once in a while? at least playing a game takes some brain power.
5) No longer with getting that rare horse drop be so presitgious. Everybody will have one. Only 8.99 this week!!! Limited supplies get one now!! Or worse, you can only obtain an item through the shop. Are we grocery shopping here, or playing a game trying to build a legacy? Its a total sham that you can't obtain items through the game you are playing. Instead you have to buy it through an item shop. Is that what we all envisioned this genre to be? Paying for items from outside sources instead of playing the game to get ingame rewards?
Only if the reason you play is dick-waving, which is absolutely pathetic. If all you care about is showing off, sorry, get over yourself.
4) No more economy from things like healing potions, or any other potion these shops deem non-essential to crafters. Would WoW even have an economy if you could just buy enchants and potions from the online store? No, it wouldn't. Buying goods in EC tunnels in EQ was a unique experience that I loved. Why is that devs thinks it OK to leave out the economy? In DDO, the only way to get powerful potions is through the online store.
Not everything in the game is available in the online store. It isn't in DDO, it won't be in LOTRO. Therefore there will always be an economy selling things that aren't available except in-game.
3) Our games will become less about accomplishments. Hard to believe, but yes after all those 100% XP pots, and 100% increased loot potions what will anything mean? It used to be prestigious. Now, its a sellout.
Since when are games about showing off? Again, get over yourself.
2) Our MMORPGs are quickly turning into a quick-serve chain. Need a healer? Buy one for 1 hour for only 2 dollars!! Need a quick heal? Buy it!! Need that extra XP? Buy it!! Need a boost in stats? Buy it!! Need help taking down Da Crusher? Buy your help!!
So what? No one is forcing you to do that, it's just an option if you have more dollars than sense. But again, I get the sense that this is a matter of "I need to show off and now I can't because everyone else can do what I do!"
Cry me a river.
1) Content being adjusted to shop items. This will happen. XP will be reduced to a crawl to entice people to buy. Loot will be rare, unless you buy a potion. That mob will need everyone in the raid to buy that special potion that reduces damage, or increases damage, or gives more HP.
It hasn't happened in DDO. Why would you assume it would happen in LOTRO?
Well said. I agree entirely.
I suggest that the forums are best avoided between now and the Autumn, at least by those who would rather judge things by what has happened elsewhere and what actually happens here, rather than by the ill-conceived rantings of the ignorant and pathetic.
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LotRO is not going 'free to play' in the model of a game like perfect world or runes of magic. It is NOT a traditional free to play game. Most of those games have their content free, but require HEAVY use of the item shop to be able to experience it. LotRO you are buying the content, just as you would in a p2p game (with one notable exception). You just control how much of it you want to buy. The only place they are crossing the lines here a little is with the traits. It depends on the pricing how bad this is or not. If the community was smart this would be the one thing to be vocal on. If there is enough outcry against this one particular thing perhaps turbine could be convinced to change its mind. but even these will be a oen time purchase, not something you continually need to repurchase over and over to bleed money out of you.
And the bashing of eq2's item shop? EQ2 has the highest amount of extras and fun stuff out there of any game on the market. All the pets and illusions and house items and such. No game can come close. So they make some and charge for them. its not like they dont continue to develop the free stuff. EQ2s dev team is probably the most productive dev team compared to its player base out there. greedy would be resting back on the massive amount of stuff already in game and only make cash shop stuff. EQ2 continues to provide free options as well. just visit 10 tier 3 guild halls and see what % of them are cash shop bought.HUH hope you mean for these new mmos and not Everquest. Having and EPIC in EQ meant you did spend time with groups of people online and you had a social life within the game. Thats what to me makes Epic weapons in EQ so awesome. The hard battles and having to overcome them with your guildies. Then getting to show it off to the rest of the gamers that envy you because you did accomplish something in the game.
Wrong assumption. Are you able to find XP potions while playing DDO? Are you able to hire more than one henchmen if you don't spend US dollars? Are you able to conjure up shrines without buying for them through the shop? Are you able to rez yourself from a party wipe in a dungeon without using the item shop? Please feel free to correct me.
Is Turbine as blatant as asian f2p? Nope. Do they offer you special "perks"? Yes. Funny how those perks used to be called cheating when they were in the form of gold-buying or power-leveling. Why is it all the sudden not cheating?
Why are you do you feel those perks should be available outside of gameplay experience?
Do you feel gold-buying and paying for power-leveling services is ok? If not, how is it any different when its sanctioned by the company that is suppose to be giving us a fun gaming experience.
Crafted gear isn't bad for the most part. I mostly used crafted gear up until 50 or so.
Where crafted gear starts to fail is the high end stuff.
For instance, there really isn't a reason to use a high end crafted weapon as the legendary items will be better. The high end crafted armor is ok but you can get comparable for tokens from skirmishes and the radiance armor is still a bit better.
But though I'm not much of an alt person I always go for crafted armor when I am in the mood to work on my alt.
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Crafted gear in LotrO is actually pretty good for everything except raiding.
If WoW = The Beatles
and WAR = Led Zeppelin
Then LotrO = Pink Floyd
If by 'stupid pet for 25$' you mean the My little Sparklestar pony, it's rather simple. People dropped 25 bucks to never really have to worry about a mount for ANY toon they ever make again in WoW.
If you're takling about other cosmetic pets? Well that's simple too, because people collect them.
This is the ultimate culmination of the "instant gratification" mentality that has plagued MMORPGs in recent years.
It wasn't enough to dumb the games down, and make sure you never had to accomplish anything....now you don't even have to PLAY to get that next "New Shiny" (tm) item....just BUY IT with your credit card!!
This is the beginning of something VERY, VERY bad. You think WoW did permenant damage to MMORPGs?? Just wait 'till THIS little shit-flower blossoms.
We went from virtual worlds, to virtual Wal-Mart. And the lazy-ass "GIMME! GIMME! GIMME!" generation cheered the whole time.
If I may, I'll once again refer to my previous statement:
" Just a simple note to those of you out there that do "wave the epeen around", the rest of us really dont care. When you show off that special item you got after only 33 hours straight of gaming, the rest of us with lives outside of the game world, simply sit back in our chairs, shake our heads and laugh at you. "
Being laughed at and being Envied are two completely different things.
I think that's probably true. I'm slowyly getting a champion to max level and I seriously doubt that I'll do any raiding so I'm not planning on doing anything to get radiance gear.
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Well then i say to you sir or maam your full of S***. Yeah you can have a life outside of the game my fault for wording it incorrectly because i didnt get my EPIC all quick like that in 33hours it took months but i felt like i did something inside the game that was satisfying. I have a life outside of MMO's and it come first and always but i play to have fun and EPICs to me bring you into the game community aswell and not have you sitting there like a LONER everytime you log in to play. Where is the fun in that. Im not saying you have to get an EPIC but to say i sat there n laughed at someone who was showing it off is ubsurd.
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You just don't get it do you? Players want stuff to "wave their epeen around". The only debate here is that some want to get these stuff ingame and some want to take the shortcut and pay for it so they can wave it without bothering to get it. If you think that "waveing the epeen" is not worth than why do you want to pay for these shiny things. What's the reason. I understand why for those who p2p because this x item took an effort to get but you who buy, you just buy it to wave it to others.
Collect them to reach that 100 pet achievment thing so they have something to wave at others who didn't reach it.
lol....what like "OOOOH!!! Look how much money I wasted on PIXELS!!"
Tell that to all those peoples who wasted cash on pixels. There are a lot. To me it sounds silly and so it does to you but there are a lot of those who think different.
though to be fair there are people who would tell you that paying a monthly sub in "pixels" is an equal waste of money.
I know I've been told that numerous times.
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Talk to anyone who doesn't play games, and they'd say the exact same thing about anyone who actively subscribes to a video game, especially if they've been paying $15/month for many years to play the same game.
lol, imagine that, some people might want to get it to you know, play the game and have fun, not to go "OMG look what i haaaavvee!!!!1!11".
And a great big LOL to those who think theres any "effort" or "accomplisment" in playing a videogame, what exactly makes one persons time more valuable than another persons money? oh ya nothing.
Apparently stating the truth in my sig is "trolling"
Sig typo fixed thanks to an observant stragen001.
You can earn store currency simply by playing DDO (according to this), so it seems like the answer is "yes" in all cases.
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Your QQing is delicious. I cannot wait till all games have this model and you MMO dinosaurs can dissapear into obscurity. But just to play your game I will prove you wrong.
5. Convinience items, pots and quest unlocks (expansions) will be in the store. No game changing gear (as said by devs)
4. So? The economy blows anyways. Pretty much all high level players have a pot making alt anyways (I have 3 60+ toons and 6 others leveling up). Economy revolves around selling hides, wood, jewelry, etc in the future.
3. LOL, this is pure conjecture and you have no actual proof. So this isnt even a valid complaint (are you 12 years old?)
2. There is no system in lotro to "buy a healer". Guildwars yes but lotro would need A LOT of changes to makes something like this work. Devs said there would be no "I WIN" stuff in the shop.
1. More conjecture based on none existant information. What mobs requires the pots? What game has this system? I am willing to bet there will never be 100% loot potions...the amount of game changing and coding needed to make that work would be retarded.
ps. Im not sure why trolls like you are allowed to post on this forum....Its obvious your weak arguments are only meant to be inflamatory. Mods sure require actual PROOF when claims such as yours are made. Otherwise you are just slandering a game and a company.
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Waiting on: Guild Wars 2
There is a very big difference between someone trying to 'dick-wave' some item or achievement at other players and other players actually being impressed by it.
In WoW noone is really impressed if you have the Celestial Stead or have the 100 pet achievement. They tend to be characterized as 'cute' things to have but anyone who actually wants to brag about them will look pretty pathetic.
'Dick-waving' might impress other 'dick-wavers' but it will not get you any type of prestige with the general player population.
And I tell them how idiotic it is that they spend over $100 a month on cable TV, so they can sit there and watch other people live their lives instead of bothering to live their own.
That shuts them up pretty fast.
As opposed to sitting in front of a computer with a mouse and keyboard, watching the virtual life of a pixelated character unfold as you play a game? Come on. That's a weak argument.
no it's not. what do you do while watching tv? push a button on the remote every once in a while? at least playing a game takes some brain power.
Well said. I agree entirely.
I suggest that the forums are best avoided between now and the Autumn, at least by those who would rather judge things by what has happened elsewhere and what actually happens here, rather than by the ill-conceived rantings of the ignorant and pathetic.