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Well, Bioware is one of the top game makers in the industry, they have a proven track record, the budget is huge.
I hate to agree with such a ridiculous and pompus immature OP, but the game should be good.
I beg to differ. Dragon Age was freaking terrible. People jumping on a Hype Mobile is not the same thing as a good game.
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Funcom is TERRIBLE. I'm sorry people but AOC anyone??? MMORPG to me is not pretty spoofy graphics, and walking into a loading zone with seeing the screen every 5 minutes. I cross a river, and then I have to wait 5 minutes to get to the other side looking at a loading screen. It was REALLY bad and ruined the experience for me. Sorry for those who enjoy it, but I like seamless worlds not please sit and wait to kill a lion in the desert.
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Funcom are not terrible, stop being a drama queen (although as an mmo player it does tend to be par for the course). AoC is a wicked game now (xpac and patches etc) . It;s good stuff.
I didn't like Dragon much either. SWTOR isn't really grabbing me either, it may do once we actually see the gameplay of which we have seen very little AND what the crafting , other fluff is like.
I suspect it will be good but due to the hype it's going to be a let-dwon.
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If you let "hype" ruin a game for you, there is no one to blame but yourself.
I would agree.
However you know this is what is going to happen from the mmo QQ crowd, you just know it. There is a sort of set up for this game it seems to me where many are dreaming of the perfect SW mmo (due to the lack of actual information on the game) when it misses even if only a little - the QQ tsunami will roll into shore!
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I'm sure that ToR will be high quality, if not somewhat dated, but financially it's not going to do well.
KotoR on Xbox = 1 million copies
Mass Effect on Xbox 360 = 1 million copies
Mass Effect 2 on Xbox 360 = 2 million copies
Diablo 1 on PC = 2.5 million copies
Diablo 2 on PC = 4 million copies
People have been playing Diablo 2 for 10 years, the game gets substantial free patches at recently as last year, it's a multiplayer closed-server loot ladder that embodies more features of an MMO than anything Bioware has produced. Look at how much money people spend on Diablo 2, the expansion, and the battlechest still sells for $30 at retail stores, taking up shelf space after all these years.
KotoR, ME, those are great games, but for there length they are barely worth the $50. No one will be playing them on a daily basis 10 years from now, as so many D2 fans still do. The bottom line is that the only content in this thread is whipping out Bioware's supposedly impressive track record, but closer examination shows that they are minor league compared to Blizz.
I didn't say AoC now did I?
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I've scoured all the interviews and press releases about this game and not once do they mention cheese.This leads me to the conclusion that there will be no cheese at all in Star Wars The Old Republic because the voice acting costs used up all the budget that could have better been spent on adding cheese. Cheese lovers should avoid this game at all costs. So should everyone else as MMORPGs without cheese involved are made of fail.
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True on the above post about Blizzard. The problem with SW:TOR is this... no matter how good bioware is, they are not competing in the same league they have been in the past. I can buy and play numerous single player games in a year. For that reason alone I have bought most of BioWare's products. But I don't play multiple MMO's. I may test a bunch, but only one sticks to last. Before, BioWare was competing with games like, Oblivion, Gothic, Witcher and that sort. All those games were good, but they are in a different league compared to games such as WoW, Aion, GW and not to mention NEW MMO's on the rise.
To give you a better idea, Mass Effect 2 sold roughly 2 million copies. Dragon sold 3 million. Two of there latest/best games sold roughly 5 maybe 6 millions copies together. That is a high number, but think about how many people play it today, maybe a small percentage at best.
Compare those numbers to WoW, which has sold 10+ million copies. And a distant second at 6+ million copies sold for GW. Aion is new and rising, not sure what the numbers will be for that game.
That is without mentioning AoC, FFX, DnD, EvE, and other MMO's.
And that is pretty much it, no matter how good BioWare did in the single player realm, it won't be that easy in this realm.
And just to be clear, I will trying this game out and hoping it does well, but I still want to be honest with myself.
Doing single player RPG's is the exact opposite of doing mmo's. I guess you havent realized that nobody is interested in storytelling in an mmo. SWTOR will so definitly be linear crap with annoying speaking characters all over the place and thus FAIL HARD that im almost willing to bet some money on that. if i'd care ...
Very good points.
Also, who where remembers The Sims Online? You know, the MMO based on the most selling game franchise ever?
Yes I have played most of those games and yes I like every last one of them. But I do not base my opinion on prior rap sheets.
Something just does not feel right with what they have shown us so far. That does not mean my feeling are correct, The game might in fact turn out like you think it will. But when I saw the vid's of GW2 my first thought was "yea this looks good".
I will trust my instincts on this one untill Bioware proves me wrong and not some rants from a poster.
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Selling millions of copies is not doing so well now is it?
You only listed Xbox sales, while all those games are multi platform, mass effect 2 sold a lot more than 2 million; they sold 2 milion copies in their first week.
Don't be silly.
Also, not worth buying because of length? The last 3 games I bought (full price) each lasted me only about 15-20 hours, with some going under the 10 hour mark with some quick and intelligent play.
Every BW game I ever bought lasted me 30-50+ hours on first playthrough, without doing all the side content, which would throw in a lot more hours; extreme examples like Baldur's Gate 2 lasted me 100+ hours.
Not to talk about the replay value giving you a different experience at least for one more playthrough and more for some of them, which very few of the myriads of shooters swarming the market can claim.
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The I think Mass effect 2 sales were multiplatform but as you say it was in the first week. Dragon age 2 seems to be multiplatform as well because the sites I've seen said it was units sold world wide. If i'm wrong could you show the sites were you saw it?
Anyway your point is correct Bioware games have been very successful. The support from single player bioware fans, star wars fans and bored WoW fans ensure this game will sell a heck of a lot. How long these players stay for only time will tell. Either way you'd probably still ge a high quality game probably the money you spent playing through the content. Even if it's a "single player" game as some deluded people feel it will be.
Well, there aren't any exact numbers out there, but both games are still very high on steam's most popular list.
Dragon Age sold at least 3.2 million (link)
As said ME2 sold 2 million in it's first week, you can easily find that on google; so as it is still quite high up the popular lists it will most likely have sold quite a bit more.
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Will it fail as a MMORPG? YES!
Will it be a good singleplayergame with plenty of co-op YES!
Isn't this the norm for todays MMO's?
I think they'd be better off marketing it as a singleplayer game with co-op. Still add in all the features they want from MMOs but tell people it's just a really big single player game in which you can interact with your friends.
The single player market is a lot more open to new ideas than the MMO fanatics. Heck if BioWare doesn't do everything according to the "golden formula of Blizz", then people will rage maelstorms on every site from here to china.
I like how you think an MMO is aimed at kids. Why don't we wait and see what the ESRB has to say about things before we go using that flaccid argument in our appeal to emotion tactics, hmm?
I hope it will be great, but I worry about the developers trying to funnel players in certain directions.
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isnt that what storylines are all about... no matter how many types of choices there are.. and there can't be many.. from necessity.. then players 'paths' will be limited to those 'choices' take dragon age:origins for example, the whole game is pretty much limited to a few - decreasing path choices.. the question is always going to be. can they keep future game development (after release) ahead of the players.
all the doubters will come back to the lightside once they are proven wrong, patience young padawans.
I read all this same trash before every mmo is released, been happening since the begining of time. /shrug
There is at least 3 million ex-SWG players that will buy this and at least try it, I garauntee it, half of them will stay at the end of the day. That is a forsure, come over to the SW fan club site and you will then understand what loyal followers are.
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or there will be a flood of 'i told you so's' whether or not the game will fail is debateable.. theres only one real question, what will EA do if/when sub numbers don't reach the 2 million mark - reason i say this is because it seems like a crazy situation.. for a game to be successful imo.. at least (EA might view this differently.) is firstly.. is it fun.. and secondly.. are there over 100k players. as i see it.. if the game achieves over 100k players at launch and retains them past the first month - and continues to build on this over the next year.. then thats a success, as a game at least.. maybe not the financial success that EA is counting on perhaps.. but if they take the long view.. then surely that too.
I honestly don't care what others think of this game. I will take the approach I have always done. If it interests me (which SW:TOR definately does) I will buy it, collector's edition and all and play it regardless of what reviews and others may think. If I end up hating it then meh, I'm out say $100, which I don't care because the economy isn't hurting me. But if I love it then it's money well invested in my entertainment. But I doubt I will be disappointed just because I have always enjoyed Bioware games and even if I play this solo for most of it I'll still have a blast doing it.
To be honest I've needed a new sci-fi MMO that seems to have more lore and ground elements. Played Eve, t's ok, just not my cup of tea. SWG was ok but SOE screwed themselves on that one and the lore was insanely messed up in that. I really enjoyed Tabula Rasa but NCSoft hates the players and closed the game.
SW:TOR will in all likelyhood be a really good game (the golden formula of Blizz disn't always the golden formula for every game). Bioware is one of those developers that does their homework and their research before really going for a project unlike some developers who just make an MMO to hop on the bandwagon and hope for a piece of the cheddar.
It's just hard to really bash on a game and the developers before the game is even released when all the invo available is just previews and some videos and pics. Play before you judge.