I think people are going way overboard on this one. It's like you're all drama queens, waiting to pounce.
I'm a pretty successful businessman, and I can tell you this much: It makes perfect sense for this guy to say their game is an easy transition for WoW players, even if that's not the case at all. Say what you have to in order to get box sales. Worry about subscriptions later.
If you're really confident that your game has enough of "the hook" to keep players logging in, you'll say/do whatever you need to to drive box sales and have faith that the subs will come as a result of your hard work/innovation/story/game design, etc.
No godless person can comprehend those minute distinctions in doctrine that provide true believers excuse for mayhem. -Glen Cook
ROFLMAO, every time I hear someone even say the word "WoW Clone" I laugh my self silly. Calling anything a clone means that it is a copy of the original, and since WoW is a jigsaw puzzle of mechanics from ALL MMO games that have come before it, having things in common with it doesn't make it a clone. I know this will fire some people up, and believe me I have read all the arguments on this matter, and frankly they are all kind of shallow, but this is my opinion so love it or hate it.
But on the upside, if you are a WoW fanatic and a WAR40k fan maybe you will have something new to do for a couple of weeks...
He said WOW players would find the game easily accesible
IMHO I guarentee this applies to the UI.
Even if it applies to the PvE/PvP structure, there is no chance they are going to leave it as is.
As far as reigning in 1 million WOW players. Thats the least any MMO could hope for, it really means nothing.
That being said...who cares, if they screw it up...ultimately they lose out.
Plus the maket that exists when this game releases is going to be a whole nother animal with games like GW2, TERA, and Rift hoping to shake things up. Their crazy if they go WOW clone and expect 1million subscribers.
I agree on all points. The UI will most likely strongly resemble WoW, in order to make the transition easy, not the first time this has been done in a mmorpg. However, the three up and comming mmorpgs you listed in addition to FFXIV and SWTOR is going to make for an extremely fierce competition within the genre.
yup they killed themselves with that one interview...that the vast majority of players will never read...and let's not forget that most of those 14 million people playing WoW...are busy playing WoW, and won't have time to go looking for obscure interviews like this one, not to mention they will be pleased to know that their transition will be smooth.
I'd say it's a smart choice to blab on about WoW's compatability, since that's where the majority of MMO players have been at one point in their gaming life or another.
Your argument is like a two legged dog with an eating disorder...weak and unbalanced.
1 - He mentioned wanting to steal WoW players. This alone doesn't make the game a WoW clone. It mearly means they want to take away some of the players that WoW brought to the genre. Every gaming company, whether they admit it or not, wants to take some of the base that WoW has.
2 - Anybody who saw the E3 trailer and didn't notice a simialr look to WoW obviously missed the part in the middle where to UI screens popped up. This also doesn't mean the game will be a WoW clone, just that the first blush with the game will feel "familiar" to WoW people.
I'm not saying it won't be a WoW clone, it is obviously too early to tell, but just because you want their players doesn't automatically mean you are copying their gameplay and making a clone.
I want a mmorpg where people have gone through misery, have gone through school stuff and actually have had sex even. -sagil
I remember reading one of the earlier articles saying that most of the staff plays WoW currently or has in the past. That doesn't exactly bode well for the game being something different than WoW. I think the graphics could have been grittier.
C'mon guys, why so surprised? When I saw the trailers it looked more like an wow expansion. I guess some got blinded from the tittle and the armors.
Ridiculous troll is ridiculous.
WoW looks like Warhammer, not the other way around. Now that Warhammer is finally making it's own 40k MMO, you can't pull the "WH40K looks like WoW" b.s. Remember who stole their IP concepts from whom. You've got it backwards, son.
No godless person can comprehend those minute distinctions in doctrine that provide true believers excuse for mayhem. -Glen Cook
C'mon guys, why so surprised? When I saw the trailers it looked more like an wow expansion. I guess some got blinded from the tittle and the armors.
Ridiculous troll is ridiculous.
WoW looks like Warhammer, not the other way around. Now that Warhammer is finally making it's own 40k MMO, you can't pull the "WH40K looks like WoW" b.s. Remember who stole their IP concepts from whom. You've got it backwards, son.
granite i didnt give two spits about this game but now i know i dont give two spits about this game. WoW gamers are the worst gamers in the world because they know nothing of what a MMO should be. Sad day for warhammer 40k fans.
1 - He mentioned wanting to steal WoW players. This alone doesn't make the game a WoW clone. It mearly means they want to take away some of the players that WoW brought to the genre. Every gaming company, whether they admit it or not, wants to take some of the base that WoW has.
2 - Anybody who saw the E3 trailer and didn't notice a simialr look to WoW obviously missed the part in the middle where to UI screens popped up. This also doesn't mean the game will be a WoW clone, just that the first blush with the game will feel "familiar" to WoW people.
I'm not saying it won't be a WoW clone, it is obviously too early to tell, but just because you want their players doesn't automatically mean you are copying their gameplay and making a clone.
No one will know to which extent 40K will play and feel like a "WoW clone" until it is released / beta. However, on your second point, I have to be honest- I really could not distinguish the game from WoW. It looked just like it, like some kind of WoW xpack with weird armor.
The amount of stupidty in this thread is astounding, where does anyone get any gameplay info from this interview? oh yah there isnt any, as for the all people who are going to suddenly stop folloing the game because of this interview, well good riddence, we dont want you whiney drama queens near the game anyway, now go rantabout how every game ever made is a wow clone.
Apparently stating the truth in my sig is "trolling" Sig typo fixed thanks to an observant stragen001.
The amount of stupidty in this thread is astounding, where does anyone get any gameplay info from this interview? oh yah there isnt any, as for the all people who are going to suddenly stop folloing the game because of this interview, well good riddence, we dont want you whiney drama queens near the game anyway, now go rantabout how every game ever made is a wow clone.
This forum community itself is a bunch trolls/jerks anyway. They wait all day to bash the newest game to come out. I like how they know more than the devs on how the games going to look like. I rarely every post on this forum because 90% of the content by forum members ends up being a bash fest. I felt compelled to post this time just because I have always liked the Lore of 40k, and thats what got me playing WoW, was the lore from the Warcraft series. Once I killed Arthas the game was really over for me lore wise. So i quit playing a week later. This won't be a WoW clone, it might be "like" WoW. But what game coming out doesn't have something taken from WoW that works well? Its doing smart business. "Millions of people like this feature so maybe we should include it in our game?" I mean its common sense. When Blizzard made WoW, they took the good from all the current MMO's then and built upon it. Guild Wars 2 seems to be one of the games coming out that are attempting to be innovative and different. Thats just my 2 cents. Let the bashing start!
"WoW has 11 million subs, we want some of that!" They are stating that HELL YES THEY WANT HIGH SUB NUMBERS! Not WE WANT WOW's PLAYERBASE!. You people are taking this WAAAYYYYYYY overboard.
"WoW has 11 million subs, we want some of that!" They are stating that HELL YES THEY WANT HIGH SUB NUMBERS! Not WE WANT WOW's PLAYERBASE!. You people are taking this WAAAYYYYYYY overboard.
Um, no. He said that they were TARGETING WoW players to jump over to WAR40k. That would be attempting to pull from WoW's playerbase. The only thing I see that's overboard are the people actually trying to defend this moron.
This is seriously one of the dumbest things I've ever read that has come directly out of a developer's mouth. Even if you don't believe that WAR40K is a WoW clone, you'd have to be a ruh-tard to think that this is in any way helpful to the game, and does not look like this guy is completely pandering to WoW players.
As someone stated earlier, time and time again this path has been taken by other MMO's, not one has seen 1mill subs. WoW, by hook or by crook, copied the best array of features from other games on the market, and attracted millions. Now, all of these other MMO's think that they will somehow succeed where SWG:NGE failed miserably. EA and LucasArts have dumped at least 10's of millions (the estimate is $150 mill, but I'll give benefit of the doubt here) into what looks more and more each press release like NGE2, AoC and WAR failed at it, when will these companies all learn?
The fact is, WoW was a one-time deal. Never again will a game copy other games and pull in multiple-million subs. WoW managed to collect that many people and keep them entertained now for 5-6 years. Thinking you're game will be the one to take them all, or even a good chunk of them, is like thinking you're going to be the one guy who goes to Vegas with a card counting scheme that no casino security will catch you at and take down the house. Gutsy, but still not smart.
"WoW has 11 million subs, we want some of that!" They are stating that HELL YES THEY WANT HIGH SUB NUMBERS! Not WE WANT WOW's PLAYERBASE!. You people are taking this WAAAYYYYYYY overboard.
Um, no. He said that they were TARGETING WoW players to jump over to WAR40k. That would be attempting to pull from WoW's playerbase. The only thing I see that's overboard are the people actually trying to defend this moron.
Actually this is pretty sound business practice. The current subscriber base of WoW have shown that they will keep paying a monthly sub no matter how terrible or shallow an experience they are offered. So why not try and grab some of the people with massively low standards as then it is so much easier to please and you basically guarantee yourself a solid sub base for a long time, despite how badly you may butcher your game as time rolls on.
Of course time has shown us that the game has to be a tiny margin above the "utter shit" level as if it drops below this then all the WoW players just flock back (just ask Mythic).
"WoW has 11 million subs, we want some of that!" They are stating that HELL YES THEY WANT HIGH SUB NUMBERS! Not WE WANT WOW's PLAYERBASE!. You people are taking this WAAAYYYYYYY overboard.
Um, no. He said that they were TARGETING WoW players to jump over to WAR40k. That would be attempting to pull from WoW's playerbase. The only thing I see that's overboard are the people actually trying to defend this moron.
Actually this is pretty sound business practice. The current subscriber base of WoW have shown that they will keep paying a monthly sub no matter how terrible or shallow an experience they are offered. So why not try and grab some of the people with massively low standards as then it is so much easier to please and you basically guarantee yourself a solid sub base for a long time, despite how badly you may butcher your game as time rolls on.
Of course time has shown us that the game has to be a tiny margin above the "utter shit" level as if it drops below this then all the WoW players just flock back (just ask Mythic).
Oh, I totally agree with you on the fact that WoW players that are "bored with the horde" may give this game a shot, as they did with AoC and WAR. The problem is that, as you stated, the second they dislike something or get bored, they'll run straight back to WoW. Basing your business strategy on the gamble that you will:
A) Have made the game so well that the WoW players won't leave
You'll draw in and sustain enough WoW players that you won't have to worry about all the players that you've essentially left out because they don't like WoW
is an awefully big risk, and if history is any indication, the odds are severely against you. As you said, just ask Mythic. Or Funcom. Or SOE.
Again, it's the Coke II analogy. Coke II was Coke that tasted like Pepsi. It failed miserably. Why? Because most people who drank Pepsi didn't bother to try Coke that tasted like Pepsi, and the few who did, for the most part, went right back to Pepsi. It also alienated all of the Classic Coke drinkers who never liked Pepsi to begin with.
All in all, nothing is for certain. Lets just wait and see where this goes before we start making judgements.
Yep, that's the stance I'm taking at the moment.
"Oh my, how horrible, someone is criticizing a MMO. Oh yeah, that is what a forum is about, looking at both sides. You rather have to be critical of anything in this genre as of late because the track record of these major studios has just been appalling." -Ozmodan
Ummm please explain how those are WoW clones? I bet everything your going to says is what every other MMO known to man has.
Back when EQ was top dog, everything until WoW hit was an EQ clone. In a similar vein, before everything was supposed to be the WoW-killer, they were supposed to be the EQ-killer. That's just the way it always has been.
"Oh my, how horrible, someone is criticizing a MMO. Oh yeah, that is what a forum is about, looking at both sides. You rather have to be critical of anything in this genre as of late because the track record of these major studios has just been appalling." -Ozmodan
This has to be the most knee-jerk responses I've seen since I last watched Ong Bak...
I take it you haven't been to the LotRO boards here lately?
"Oh my, how horrible, someone is criticizing a MMO. Oh yeah, that is what a forum is about, looking at both sides. You rather have to be critical of anything in this genre as of late because the track record of these major studios has just been appalling." -Ozmodan
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I think people are going way overboard on this one. It's like you're all drama queens, waiting to pounce.
I'm a pretty successful businessman, and I can tell you this much: It makes perfect sense for this guy to say their game is an easy transition for WoW players, even if that's not the case at all. Say what you have to in order to get box sales. Worry about subscriptions later.
If you're really confident that your game has enough of "the hook" to keep players logging in, you'll say/do whatever you need to to drive box sales and have faith that the subs will come as a result of your hard work/innovation/story/game design, etc.
No godless person can comprehend those minute distinctions
in doctrine that provide true believers excuse for mayhem.
-Glen Cook
ROFLMAO, every time I hear someone even say the word "WoW Clone" I laugh my self silly. Calling anything a clone means that it is a copy of the original, and since WoW is a jigsaw puzzle of mechanics from ALL MMO games that have come before it, having things in common with it doesn't make it a clone. I know this will fire some people up, and believe me I have read all the arguments on this matter, and frankly they are all kind of shallow, but this is my opinion so love it or hate it.
You know no one ever acted like this when WoW was in development and said similar things in regard to getting EQ players with similar systems, etc....
Oh how the times have changed.
The sky must be falling, keep on running around chicken little...
sheesh.
Cheers!
MMO Vet since AOL Neverwinter Nights circa 1992. My MMO beat up your MMO. =S
I agree on all points. The UI will most likely strongly resemble WoW, in order to make the transition easy, not the first time this has been done in a mmorpg. However, the three up and comming mmorpgs you listed in addition to FFXIV and SWTOR is going to make for an extremely fierce competition within the genre.
yup they killed themselves with that one interview...that the vast majority of players will never read...and let's not forget that most of those 14 million people playing WoW...are busy playing WoW, and won't have time to go looking for obscure interviews like this one, not to mention they will be pleased to know that their transition will be smooth.
I'd say it's a smart choice to blab on about WoW's compatability, since that's where the majority of MMO players have been at one point in their gaming life or another.
Your argument is like a two legged dog with an eating disorder...weak and unbalanced.
I'm not sure who I feel more sorry for..
The dedicated Warhammer 40k fans
or the Warhammer IP...
"If I'd asked my customers what they wanted, they'd have said a faster horse." - Henry Ford
2 Things:
1 - He mentioned wanting to steal WoW players. This alone doesn't make the game a WoW clone. It mearly means they want to take away some of the players that WoW brought to the genre. Every gaming company, whether they admit it or not, wants to take some of the base that WoW has.
2 - Anybody who saw the E3 trailer and didn't notice a simialr look to WoW obviously missed the part in the middle where to UI screens popped up. This also doesn't mean the game will be a WoW clone, just that the first blush with the game will feel "familiar" to WoW people.
I'm not saying it won't be a WoW clone, it is obviously too early to tell, but just because you want their players doesn't automatically mean you are copying their gameplay and making a clone.
I want a mmorpg where people have gone through misery, have gone through school stuff and actually have had sex even. -sagil
I remember reading one of the earlier articles saying that most of the staff plays WoW currently or has in the past. That doesn't exactly bode well for the game being something different than WoW. I think the graphics could have been grittier.
At least he came out and admitted it. Another WoW clone -- news at 11.
C'mon guys, why so surprised? When I saw the trailers it looked more like an wow expansion. I guess some got blinded from the tittle and the armors.
Ridiculous troll is ridiculous.
WoW looks like Warhammer, not the other way around. Now that Warhammer is finally making it's own 40k MMO, you can't pull the "WH40K looks like WoW" b.s. Remember who stole their IP concepts from whom. You've got it backwards, son.
No godless person can comprehend those minute distinctions
in doctrine that provide true believers excuse for mayhem.
-Glen Cook
Yeah but guess who's trying to be a wow clone now
granite i didnt give two spits about this game but now i know i dont give two spits about this game. WoW gamers are the worst gamers in the world because they know nothing of what a MMO should be. Sad day for warhammer 40k fans.
No one will know to which extent 40K will play and feel like a "WoW clone" until it is released / beta. However, on your second point, I have to be honest- I really could not distinguish the game from WoW. It looked just like it, like some kind of WoW xpack with weird armor.
The amount of stupidty in this thread is astounding, where does anyone get any gameplay info from this interview? oh yah there isnt any, as for the all people who are going to suddenly stop folloing the game because of this interview, well good riddence, we dont want you whiney drama queens near the game anyway, now go rantabout how every game ever made is a wow clone.
Apparently stating the truth in my sig is "trolling"
Sig typo fixed thanks to an observant stragen001.
This forum community itself is a bunch trolls/jerks anyway. They wait all day to bash the newest game to come out. I like how they know more than the devs on how the games going to look like. I rarely every post on this forum because 90% of the content by forum members ends up being a bash fest. I felt compelled to post this time just because I have always liked the Lore of 40k, and thats what got me playing WoW, was the lore from the Warcraft series. Once I killed Arthas the game was really over for me lore wise. So i quit playing a week later. This won't be a WoW clone, it might be "like" WoW. But what game coming out doesn't have something taken from WoW that works well? Its doing smart business. "Millions of people like this feature so maybe we should include it in our game?" I mean its common sense. When Blizzard made WoW, they took the good from all the current MMO's then and built upon it. Guild Wars 2 seems to be one of the games coming out that are attempting to be innovative and different. Thats just my 2 cents. Let the bashing start!
"WoW has 11 million subs, we want some of that!" They are stating that HELL YES THEY WANT HIGH SUB NUMBERS! Not WE WANT WOW's PLAYERBASE!. You people are taking this WAAAYYYYYYY overboard.
Um, no. He said that they were TARGETING WoW players to jump over to WAR40k. That would be attempting to pull from WoW's playerbase. The only thing I see that's overboard are the people actually trying to defend this moron.
This is seriously one of the dumbest things I've ever read that has come directly out of a developer's mouth. Even if you don't believe that WAR40K is a WoW clone, you'd have to be a ruh-tard to think that this is in any way helpful to the game, and does not look like this guy is completely pandering to WoW players.
As someone stated earlier, time and time again this path has been taken by other MMO's, not one has seen 1mill subs. WoW, by hook or by crook, copied the best array of features from other games on the market, and attracted millions. Now, all of these other MMO's think that they will somehow succeed where SWG:NGE failed miserably. EA and LucasArts have dumped at least 10's of millions (the estimate is $150 mill, but I'll give benefit of the doubt here) into what looks more and more each press release like NGE2, AoC and WAR failed at it, when will these companies all learn?
The fact is, WoW was a one-time deal. Never again will a game copy other games and pull in multiple-million subs. WoW managed to collect that many people and keep them entertained now for 5-6 years. Thinking you're game will be the one to take them all, or even a good chunk of them, is like thinking you're going to be the one guy who goes to Vegas with a card counting scheme that no casino security will catch you at and take down the house. Gutsy, but still not smart.
This has to be the most knee-jerk responses I've seen since I last watched Ong Bak...
Any MMO developer that tells you they don't want some of WoW's subscriptions is probably lying, or at least deluding themselves severely.
Actually this is pretty sound business practice. The current subscriber base of WoW have shown that they will keep paying a monthly sub no matter how terrible or shallow an experience they are offered. So why not try and grab some of the people with massively low standards as then it is so much easier to please and you basically guarantee yourself a solid sub base for a long time, despite how badly you may butcher your game as time rolls on.
Of course time has shown us that the game has to be a tiny margin above the "utter shit" level as if it drops below this then all the WoW players just flock back (just ask Mythic).
Oh, I totally agree with you on the fact that WoW players that are "bored with the horde" may give this game a shot, as they did with AoC and WAR. The problem is that, as you stated, the second they dislike something or get bored, they'll run straight back to WoW. Basing your business strategy on the gamble that you will:
A) Have made the game so well that the WoW players won't leave
is an awefully big risk, and if history is any indication, the odds are severely against you. As you said, just ask Mythic. Or Funcom. Or SOE.
Again, it's the Coke II analogy. Coke II was Coke that tasted like Pepsi. It failed miserably. Why? Because most people who drank Pepsi didn't bother to try Coke that tasted like Pepsi, and the few who did, for the most part, went right back to Pepsi. It also alienated all of the Classic Coke drinkers who never liked Pepsi to begin with.
Yep, that's the stance I'm taking at the moment.
"Oh my, how horrible, someone is criticizing a MMO. Oh yeah, that is what a forum is about, looking at both sides. You rather have to be critical of anything in this genre as of late because the track record of these major studios has just been appalling." -Ozmodan
Back when EQ was top dog, everything until WoW hit was an EQ clone. In a similar vein, before everything was supposed to be the WoW-killer, they were supposed to be the EQ-killer. That's just the way it always has been.
"Oh my, how horrible, someone is criticizing a MMO. Oh yeah, that is what a forum is about, looking at both sides. You rather have to be critical of anything in this genre as of late because the track record of these major studios has just been appalling." -Ozmodan
I take it you haven't been to the LotRO boards here lately?
"Oh my, how horrible, someone is criticizing a MMO. Oh yeah, that is what a forum is about, looking at both sides. You rather have to be critical of anything in this genre as of late because the track record of these major studios has just been appalling." -Ozmodan
First from a marketing standpoint the Warcraft fan and the WH40K fan is very similar, ask anyone that worked (or spent time) in a gamestore.
Seondly, Imagine the uproar if he had said "Our target audience is hardcore Darkfall players and EQ2 roleplayers"
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