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About the disgusting habits of MMO companies to be all sizzle, no steak, with their MMO launches of hype marketing, to sell a bunch of boxes, only for us players to buy it and find out it's nothing worth playing more than 3 months because these companies are set out to maximize dollars instead of facilitating an interesting virtual community.
Fool me once, shame on you.
Fool me twice, shame on me.
Fool me three times or more, you obviously eat marketing hook line and sinker with no objective thought or analysis of historical circumstance about this industries track record for launching overhyped copycats over a very pretty guise of hypey marketing, only to "SERVER MERGES" before the first 12 months.
Yes. Some of you should be paid for how much you're helping these companies sales with the philosophy of "wait 'till it comes out".
But of course, that is a good marketing strategy, and you can no doubt believe that their marketing department facilitates that attitude of "wait untill it comes out to judge it".
They won't wait until you decide you've liked it after you've bought. You'll have been had, with an open box and a no refund policy.
No More!
Have some standards for yourselves people. Make these companies earn your money.
Demand more quality pre-launch content to convince you it's not another carbon copy with a star wars skin where they are just trying to maximize dollars.
Tell them to stick their endless CGI regurgitations of hype where the sun doesn't shine, and PROVE why their game deserves our money, AND OUR TIME.
Because I value my time. You should too.
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I can see this thread going very nasty very fast. Good luck man....though I feel your just a minor troll at any rate.
I just dont get the rabid hate of a company making money. We all do realize that without a company making profit there would be no reason for them to make a game right?
Making money is all fine and well, providing one circumstance: A worthy exchange of value.
Create a quality game which FACILITATES A HEALTHY COMMUNITY, prove it reasonably before the game comes out (which is what marketing SHOULD be used for, not repetitively hyping with cgi movies), and that company is more deserving of the initial investment, as it appears it won't just be a waste of time.
But we know historically, these games don't facilitate healthy community. They hype hype hype and try to sell boxes on a launch, then people realize they really didn't buy anything as unique as these companies would have liked you to think. These games die out quickly, and then you have "server merges".
I thought it was MMORPG, not 15/month for 30 regular players on my server, and the occasional trial player?
Because that right there is 90% of what these MMO's are.
Yes. A critical analysis is reasonable in this market before parting with your value for theirs.
I agree a critical analysis is needed, and I would add i think most of the poeple who have issues with MMOs now did not do the critical analysis. However sometimes its only possible to truely know if a game is worthy a buck if you play it.
Hype I presonally ignore for most part. I do not get caught up in the hype if I did, I expect I would be still playing WoW
Worthy exchange of value? If we pay what the game is worth the company will break even, it IS capitalism.
But seriously, I agree with you. Personally I won't be buying any game upon it's release, let alone but dense enough to pre-order. I will wait to hear the opinions of people in whom I have trust, or at least if I don't know them, they SOUND like a person who knows what they are talking about.
Oof, I have to stop reading these SW:TOR threads. The deja vu is strong enough to make me eat babies. BABIES!
They seem to be getting worse then even STO threads where in Jan.
Oof, I have to stop reading these SW:TOR threads. The deja vu is strong enough to make me eat babies. BABIES!
If more people would stop buying garbage then better games would be made. Star Trek Online received so many preorders, and all of us who actually follow MMO's were screaming at the people buying for the IP not to buy it, but they did anyway and Cryptic has the last laugh.
Aion is touted as the WoW-Killer, as having been completely rethought of to appeal to Western audiences and limit the grind. Meanwhile my Aion CD now sits somewhere in a CD case, with Aion having been uninstalled quickly. No grind my ass, I spent as much time leveling to 31 as people spend leveling to max in most MMO's.
WAR is touted as the WoW-Killer, amazing game from the makers of DAoC and so great that it will steal millions away from the king itself, World of Warcraft. Of course sieging is broken, the PvP sucks and the game should be renamed instanced PvP grind. My WAR CD is somewhere, but I have no idea where.
We all buy such bad games based on bullshit hype from websites like this, that it only causes more bad games to be made because of analysts' predictions which are based on the first shitty game's sales. It is a vicious cycle and will continue unless we, as consumers, take a stand against such bad games. The opportunity to do so was perfect with Star Trek Online, and it kills me that everyone bought the game after seeing Champions Online.
I'm all for critical analysis and smart consumerism but before you can judge a product you need adequate information on that product to do any analysis on.To be able to do a fair analysis you need the majority of th einformation on a product.Right now there is not enough information on this game to make a fair and balanced critical analysis.This also applies to GW2,Tera,TSW and all other games a fair distance from even an open beta let alone launch.
Yes a lot of us tried to warn peopel about Cryptic's games before launch but that was onyl after being in the beta and expereincing thme for ourselves...not based on wild speculation and guesswork.
That is the realistic view.
I can agree with what you say. WAR was the last game I bought day one. I have not bought most new games that have come out because of WAR and I started playing EVE again.
I have made it a rule not to buy MMOs day one but TOR will be the first, Mainly I don't care if its KOTOR with multiplay. Bioware has not failed me yet and If it's KOTOR III with multiplay added in it will be a success for me. So I am setting my MMO expectations low on this and not because I think they will fail at it , I just don't care I want a new KOTOR game and if I can play it with friends all the better it will be for me.
I can feel your anger. This game is defenseless. Take your weapon. Strike this game down with all of your hatred, and your journey towards towards the Dark Side will be complete.
I am William Wallace, and I see a whole army of my countrymen here in defiance of tyranny.
You have come to fight as free men, and free men you are.
What will you do without freedom? Will you fight?
Aye, fight and you may die, run and you’ll live. At least a while.
And dying in your beds many years from now, would you be willing to
trade all the days from this day to that for one chance, just one
chance to come back here and tell our enemies that they may take
our lives, but they’ll never take our freedom!
lol nice!!
I can feel your anger. This game is defenseless. Take your weapon. Strike this game down with all of your hatred, and your journey towards towards the Dark Side will be complete.
Everything Mel says is so true!
MMORPG = The place to come and push all BS aside... is more suiting to the title.
What i dont understand is why everyone just is automaticaly thinking that this game will suck. That Bioware is some how going to just screw us over. Wake up people we dont know what this game will be. Yes it might be the worst game of all time but... wait it might actually be good or it might just be great. The fact of the matter is all this hype is not a bad thing. Lets face it star wars is a way of life that has been around for decades. People will be hyped for this game just on that fact alone. So stop trying to be negative about a game that we really know nothing about. Things we do know is that this is bioware. They have made great quality games in the past i dont think anyone can dispute that. Yes they have never made an mmo before and yes there is scarry thought that EA might screw bioware forever. Thing is we just dont know what is going to happen.
Wow, is this what it boils down to. Bashing and degrading a game that is still possibly over a year from release. OP, i guess with your attitude the next time you want to go to a movie or a new restaurant, just get your sign out and ring a bell protesting the place without even watching or eating a single bite. I call it like i see it. A jackass will always be a jackass.
Star Wars hasnt been the same since the prequels, as a long time Star Wars fan I'm not hyped nor exicted for this game, doesn't matter if Bioware is making it or not and as in any opinion all of their games were not that great, some downright irritating with all the cutscenes and dialog I felt like it was a book and not a game, great single player games like the Elder Scrolls series, Fallout Series, etc, those were games with stories but not in your face stories the whole damn time your playing, remember people play games to play not read and listen and watch flashy cutscenes the whole time, people can be negative and have their own opinions of any game they wish its a forum people are going to disagree, and to close the fact EA is behind Bioware in this doesn't make me any more optimistic that this game is going to be that successful, with the exception of UO and WAR every other MMO under the EA banner was shut down, and with WAR going down the toliet, I have no high hopes for this game, people are tired of the SOS this game is the SOS just with story, flashy cutscenes and voice overs this time , the rest of the game with the info released so far is the same thing we have seen time after time again. But then again that is my opinion and I rest my case. Once the beta leaks start we will know I suppose if this game is another train wreck or just another so-so game that couldve with all its investment provided people a true Star Wars experience and not just another clone with a SW skin.
dejavu
games gonna rule
it has to
ive allready lost faith in the genre
That is just your opinion. Some may agree, but I actually like the SPG Bioware games and the cutscenes. I enjoyed Elder Scrolls as well, but for different reasons. I will be playing this game because it is a BW game with the SPG style play that you can play with others. There will be around 200 hours for each class story arc. That will be worth the cost of the box. The MMO stuff that will keep me as a sub will have to convince me to continue to pay.
I am not buying into the hype. I just trust BW to make a fun game. So the price of the box doesn't worry me. I will be reading and watching as info is released over the next 9+ months. I won't be blindly throwing money away. I may even get into the beta to find out for my-self how the game will play. We all play for different reasons and enjoy differet things. So no one is right or wrong.
How many people long for that "past, simpler, and better world," I wonder, without ever recognizing the truth that perhaps it was they who were simpler and better, and not the world about them?
R.A.Salvatore
One mans shit is another mans treasure
Well what do you suggest we do? Stop buying games all together... or, just the ones that suck? Oh wait... Is there a universal measure of suck? Yeah, I didn't think there was either.
What sucks for you could be someones favorite game, remember that.
I think it's safe to say most of us value our free time, most of us don't have that much of it. Which makes it safe to assume most don't spend it on something they feel sucks. It's also safe to assume we've all been burned at some point, there's always going to be a game that on the surface looks interesting enough, yet utterly disappoints some who buy it.
All one can do is research a product before buying. As for hype, ignore it, every company wants you to believe they've created something spectacular, it's impossible for that to always be the case.
This thread just seems like a case of blaming your peers, because you simply haven't been enjoying games in recent years. There are hundreds of thousands to millions who have been, so maybe it's their fault the industry has taken the turn that it has. However, you must realize that they're buying the games as they are for a reason, most likely that reason is they enjoy the products as they are.
Is that fair? Maybe not, but would it be any more fair for them to stop what they're doing and cater to you instead? Yeah, it wouldn't be.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
Wow....Firefly is still upset he didnt get the PRECioUs part 2. Who wudda thunk it? /sarcasm off
Ya know, it really is a shame you vets got worked into such a lather, a few yrs back, thinking that BW was taking over SWG and giving you folks back Pre-CU. The constant posts of "we are getting back the Pre-CU", and "SWG is shutting down next month" were golden to the vet's ears. Problem being it was fellow vets spreading the false information.
If getting back the PRECioUs had been the actual case, you folks would still be wearing the Koster knee-pads in the BW forums. Instead, we get posts dripping with the resentment that this title wasnt launched with you folks in mind.
Get over it already. Your girlfriend left you, and she isnt coming back. There are sandboxes out there. There just isnt a Star Wars sandbox title on the way, and it is old listening to you guys cry over that fact. Blame your fellow vets for setting your hopes up, and spare us the QQ.
Asking Devs to make AAA sandbox titles is like trying to get fine dining on a McDonalds dollar menu budget.
Not sure who you are at all but they have nothing to prove to you. They have no obligation to provide vast ammounts of info before the release of the game.
They have released way more info than they need to already to justify the cost of the box, and a few months of subscriptions. Not sure what more you want. A seat on the Board at Bioware/Lucas Arts as a potential customer, don't make me laugh.
Bioware have been very professional released plenty of content. They hype is coming from people like yourself, most of us who are fans of the Star Wars IP will be more than happy with what we are seeing now.
Small Group /Starr Wars IP.
Large worlds to be explored as reported by hands on testers.
UNique class storyline play throughs to give people a feel for the game.
Factional PvP / Mainly PvE
Plus stanadard MMO features
Seems relativley straightforward to me, one year from release.
Your expectations and demands seem unreasonable for a product that costs so little. I worry for some people but not you because you know what you want and you must be saluted for your stance.
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Sorcery must persist, the future is the Citadel
Nice summary, I just don't understand some people, based on the OPs post I don't think he should be here when MMO developers dissapoint him so much.
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Sorcery must persist, the future is the Citadel
Everyone doesn't.... I will say this again Everyone doesn't. This site has a rep for people going out of their way to hate / dismantle / disbelieve/ discredit or fabricate anything they can to try to bring games down. Its a sort of griefing spill over from MMOs to these forumns where people who genuinley like and follow MMO IPs can be griefed.
The trick is is to take the fluff here witha pinch of salt and use more reliaable sources. This place is great for a laugh though... but nothing serious.
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Sorcery must persist, the future is the Citadel