What i dont understand is why everyone just is automaticaly thinking that this game will suck. That Bioware is some how going to just screw us over. Wake up people we dont know what this game will be. Yes it might be the worst game of all time but... wait it might actually be good or it might just be great. The fact of the matter is all this hype is not a bad thing. Lets face it star wars is a way of life that has been around for decades. People will be hyped for this game just on that fact alone. So stop trying to be negative about a game that we really know nothing about. Things we do know is that this is bioware. They have made great quality games in the past i dont think anyone can dispute that. Yes they have never made an mmo before and yes there is scarry thought that EA might screw bioware forever. Thing is we just dont know what is going to happen.
Everyone doesn't.... I will say this again Everyone doesn't. This site has a rep for people going out of their way to hate / dismantle / disbelieve/ discredit or fabricate anything they can to try to bring games down. Its a sort of griefing spill over from MMOs to these forumns where people who genuinley like and follow MMO IPs can be griefed.
The trick is is to take the fluff here witha pinch of salt and use more reliaable sources. This place is great for a laugh though... but nothing serious.
Your sir, are correct. Most of the regular haters on this website, basically hate on every game. You will find they like one or two games, and those few games have a lot to lose with the new games on the horizon. Then there is the "i just hate" crowd, these guys are simply trolls. A few of the posters do have objective opinions, and do not simply hate on a game becuase it cool.
You are not being realistic at all OP. Why should any company give you free samples of their product before you buy it? Not a realistic expectation to make on anyone. You don't expect to get to play console games in demo's or samples before you buy a title.. why place such an expectation on an MMO? Thats just from a glance at your post... Which once again is a bit more hostile than necessary to get the point accross that you probably wont be playing the game. Frankly, to be realistic about it, I don't care what your opinion of it is or if you will be playing it. I will be playing and so will a lot of other people, likely millions. If its fun and awesome you'll likely never know because you made a pre-judgement and decided not to try it. I believe its likely you will be playing it and you're just being a bit trollish.. not that there isn't an abundance of such behaviour in this community these days.
The arguent is not whether or not it happens, it's whether or not it's a reasonable expectation. MMO's have open betas and trial subs that can be utilized. They do this as a courtesy but the OP seems to have greater expectations that beta's or trials. If his expectation is to play the whole content before buying thats way out there, or to be able to experience all the features for free in a beta or trial... not even F2P games let you do that.
About the disgusting habits of MMO companies to be all sizzle, no steak, with their MMO launches of hype marketing, to sell a bunch of boxes, only for us players to buy it and find out it's nothing worth playing more than 3 months because these companies are set out to maximize dollars instead of facilitating an interesting virtual community.
Fool me once, shame on you.
Fool me twice, shame on me.
Fool me three times or more, you obviously eat marketing hook line and sinker with no objective thought or analysis of historical circumstance about this industries track record for launching overhyped copycats over a very pretty guise of hypey marketing, only to "SERVER MERGES" before the first 12 months.
Yes. Some of you should be paid for how much you're helping these companies sales with the philosophy of "wait 'till it comes out".
But of course, that is a good marketing strategy, and you can no doubt believe that their marketing department facilitates that attitude of "wait untill it comes out to judge it".
They won't wait until you decide you've liked it after you've bought. You'll have been had, with an open box and a no refund policy.
No More!
Have some standards for yourselves people. Make these companies earn your money.
Demand more quality pre-launch content to convince you it's not another carbon copy with a star wars skin where they are just trying to maximize dollars.
Tell them to stick their endless CGI regurgitations of hype where the sun doesn't shine, and PROVE why their game deserves our money, AND OUR TIME.
Because I value my time. You should too.
Where the difference comes in friend is what exactly does a person consider to be a fair value of there own time and money. I hate STO and I would certainly be a happier man if we all just stopped giving Cryptic money for it but I can't set the standard for another persons enjoyment, I can't say because something bothered me they should not like it either. Again I'd love to but just can't. Having said all of that Bioware is not Cryptic so I think this entire rant is a bit misguided because I don't see Bioware as a company prone to not delivering and there are some companies I know do like Funcom (hype machine), Cryptic (hype machine), SOE(they don't even hype there games good they just live off the Sony in front of the OE).
but yeah, to call this game Fantastic is like calling Twilight the Godfather of vampire movies....
Where the difference comes in friend is what exactly does a person consider to be a fair value of there own time and money. I hate STO and I would certainly be a happier man if we all just stopped giving Cryptic money for it but I can't set the standard for another persons enjoyment, I can't say because something bothered me they should not like it either. Again I'd love to but just can't. Having said all of that Bioware is not Cryptic so I think this entire rant is a bit misguided because I don't see Bioware as a company prone to not delivering and there are some companies I know do like Funcom (hype machine), Cryptic (hype machine), SOE(they don't even hype there games good they just live off the Sony in front of the OE).
I agree with you on this. I have enjoyed every single BIoWare game thus far. They are fantastic and the company knows how to weave an immersive RPG experience. The fact that they are bringing the RPG to the MMORPG genre alone is worth considering. I expect to have a good game experience and I hope it will be a lasting one. We'll see though after release and a run through the content.
What i dont understand is why everyone just is automaticaly thinking that this game will suck. That Bioware is some how going to just screw us over. Wake up people we dont know what this game will be. Yes it might be the worst game of all time but... wait it might actually be good or it might just be great. The fact of the matter is all this hype is not a bad thing. Lets face it star wars is a way of life that has been around for decades. People will be hyped for this game just on that fact alone. So stop trying to be negative about a game that we really know nothing about. Things we do know is that this is bioware. They have made great quality games in the past i dont think anyone can dispute that. Yes they have never made an mmo before and yes there is scarry thought that EA might screw bioware forever. Thing is we just dont know what is going to happen.
Everyone doesn't.... I will say this again Everyone doesn't. This site has a rep for people going out of their way to hate / dismantle / disbelieve/ discredit or fabricate anything they can to try to bring games down. Its a sort of griefing spill over from MMOs to these forumns where people who genuinley like and follow MMO IPs can be griefed.
The trick is is to take the fluff here witha pinch of salt and use more reliaable sources. This place is great for a laugh though... but nothing serious.
Your sir, are correct. Most of the regular haters on this website, basically hate on every game. You will find they like one or two games, and those few games have a lot to lose with the new games on the horizon. Then there is the "i just hate" crowd, these guys are simply trolls. A few of the posters do have objective opinions, and do not simply hate on a game becuase it cool.
I'm gonna go ahead an take this a step further. Most of these "haters" are just not smart enough to realize they've moved on from a genre. The problem is, they invested so much of their time and self in their pixelated wookie that they can't come to terms that, "no, you can't have your way. You're not so remarkably clever and special that friggen BIOWARE is going to float away for not bowing down to your time warped sensibilities". It's pathetic really, I can't even begin to pretend to grasp the true depths of disturbance that keeps people filled with bitter vitriol 6 years later over a GAME. Most of these people just need to find another genre to invest their super spooky and stalkerish fanatacism. Unfortunately, without a regime of heavy psychopharmaceuticals, we'll be subjected to more egotistic, self-aggrandizing nonsense from people who've never even played the game of a company knowned for it's quality RPG's. If you want to make lemonade from this lemon of crazy, just keep telling yourself "at least I'm not these people. at least the pleasure and enjoyment I take from a game isn't tainted with 6 years worth of spoiled-childlike emotional baggage".
The thing that i am starting to believe on what really goes on in these forms is that all these haters just want something that does not exist. I'm willing to bet that what these people what is and experince that will make playing games seem real. Like virtual reality or something along those lines like dot.hack. The problem is that we are just not there yet. So they just want to hate on every game. Example of these kind of people would be the people complaining about the graphics "that they are just too toony". I'll be honest SWTOR does not have eye popping graphics but you know its a game. NOT real life. Personaly i do not believe that games should look or feel like real life. We would have just more people in their homes being anti social weirdos who hate life becuase they cannot cast a fire spell or who cannot change into giant bear. Game is just a game. Something to have fun for a little while and then come back to the real world. Life may not have druids, mages, force users ect.. but life can be fun if your willing to actualy go out and try and experince it.
Ugh. Reading the subject I'd thought the OP to be a call for objective and realistic (=balanced) way of looking upon SW:TOR and viewing MMO's in general, as in less gut-based Hating and Fanboism and more Realism.
Instead, the OP is just a rally to be overtly critical and skeptical with SW:TOR.
The ease with which predictions are made on these forums: Fratman: "I'm saying Spring 2012 at the earliest [for TOR release]. Anyone still clinging to 2011 is deluding themself at this point."
first, this website is a pure marketing website (the companys paying cash for good previews, ratings etc.). well, this is one of the reasons why comments who say the truth get fast deleted. often your account will receive a warning because of "trolling".
peopels who see and say the truth are trolls. nice politics dude lol so, no one should stop "trolling".
first, this website is a pure marketing website (the companys paying cash for good previews, ratings etc.). well, this is one of the reasons why comments who say the truth get fast deleted. often your account will receive a warning because of "trolling".
peopels who see and say the truth are trolls. nice politics dude lol so, no one should stop "trolling".
Actually you're wrong and generalising to make a point. You don't just get a warning for "telling the truth" (lol please stop making "haters" out to be the harbringers of truth and saviours of all MMO players here). You get warnings for either being a complete asshat to other members of the forums, or try to spread malicious lies about a company or its products. And rightly so. If you did that out in the streets you'd either get a punch on the nose or served a law suit. It's about using a little common sense and being mature.
The trouble is on here people often mix their subjective "opinion" with what exactly is accepted by the majority as "the truth", in order to make themselves sound more grand and superior than they really are. There's nothing wrong with having an opinion, but it's completely different when you try to make that same opinion sound like it's an actual fact without enough evidence to justify it. And that's when an opinion can potentially become a lie. And lies should never be tolerated.
For instance, I've openly critisised a few games on here, but have I received a warning for doing so? No. Why? Because the MMORPG mods are actually level headed (for the most part). So long as I make it clear that (where appropriate) it is just my own opinion, state actual facts (as opposed to assumptions) and provide evidence when necessary, make it clear that I am not speaking for anyone else but myself, and don't resort to personal attacks at people whose opinions differ to mine, then they have little to no grounds to give me a warning.
Its about time people started acting more mature, used a little more common sense, and took responsibility for their own actions instead of blaming others for their own stupid actions. Anonimity should not be used as justification to be a complete moron on the internet.
Very true. I've gotten bans here when I wasn't trolling or criticizing games at all, more the case was I was trying to steer a debate into a more balanced direction, but then with somewhat forceful expressions.
So the paranoia argument that only criticizers and trolls get banned here on mmorpg.com is a fairy tale.
The ease with which predictions are made on these forums: Fratman: "I'm saying Spring 2012 at the earliest [for TOR release]. Anyone still clinging to 2011 is deluding themself at this point."
About the disgusting habits of MMO companies to be all sizzle, no steak, with their MMO launches of hype marketing, to sell a bunch of boxes, only for us players to buy it and find out it's nothing worth playing more than 3 months because these companies are set out to maximize dollars instead of facilitating an interesting virtual community.
Fool me once, shame on you.
Fool me twice, shame on me.
Fool me three times or more, you obviously eat marketing hook line and sinker with no objective thought or analysis of historical circumstance about this industries track record for launching overhyped copycats over a very pretty guise of hypey marketing, only to "SERVER MERGES" before the first 12 months.
Yes. Some of you should be paid for how much you're helping these companies sales with the philosophy of "wait 'till it comes out".
But of course, that is a good marketing strategy, and you can no doubt believe that their marketing department facilitates that attitude of "wait untill it comes out to judge it".
They won't wait until you decide you've liked it after you've bought. You'll have been had, with an open box and a no refund policy.
No More!
Have some standards for yourselves people. Make these companies earn your money.
Demand more quality pre-launch content to convince you it's not another carbon copy with a star wars skin where they are just trying to maximize dollars.
Tell them to stick their endless CGI regurgitations of hype where the sun doesn't shine, and PROVE why their game deserves our money, AND OUR TIME.
Because I value my time. You should too.
I thought this was a realistic thread! Fooled me once - Shame on you (I will not look at your threads anymore so I don't get fooled twice.) In all honesty, you base your so-called knowledge of the games lack luster content off of very little information that has been released. Maybe wait till it is closer to release when you have some definitive info to make you baseless claims. Just sayin...
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Your sir, are correct. Most of the regular haters on this website, basically hate on every game. You will find they like one or two games, and those few games have a lot to lose with the new games on the horizon. Then there is the "i just hate" crowd, these guys are simply trolls. A few of the posters do have objective opinions, and do not simply hate on a game becuase it cool.
You are not being realistic at all OP. Why should any company give you free samples of their product before you buy it? Not a realistic expectation to make on anyone. You don't expect to get to play console games in demo's or samples before you buy a title.. why place such an expectation on an MMO? Thats just from a glance at your post... Which once again is a bit more hostile than necessary to get the point accross that you probably wont be playing the game. Frankly, to be realistic about it, I don't care what your opinion of it is or if you will be playing it. I will be playing and so will a lot of other people, likely millions. If its fun and awesome you'll likely never know because you made a pre-judgement and decided not to try it. I believe its likely you will be playing it and you're just being a bit trollish.. not that there isn't an abundance of such behaviour in this community these days.
Not to nit pick but I play demos of PS3 games all the time when deciding to buy or not.
WOW isnt great because it has 12 million players. WOW has 12 million players because its great.
The arguent is not whether or not it happens, it's whether or not it's a reasonable expectation. MMO's have open betas and trial subs that can be utilized. They do this as a courtesy but the OP seems to have greater expectations that beta's or trials. If his expectation is to play the whole content before buying thats way out there, or to be able to experience all the features for free in a beta or trial... not even F2P games let you do that.
Where the difference comes in friend is what exactly does a person consider to be a fair value of there own time and money. I hate STO and I would certainly be a happier man if we all just stopped giving Cryptic money for it but I can't set the standard for another persons enjoyment, I can't say because something bothered me they should not like it either. Again I'd love to but just can't. Having said all of that Bioware is not Cryptic so I think this entire rant is a bit misguided because I don't see Bioware as a company prone to not delivering and there are some companies I know do like Funcom (hype machine), Cryptic (hype machine), SOE(they don't even hype there games good they just live off the Sony in front of the OE).
but yeah, to call this game Fantastic is like calling Twilight the Godfather of vampire movies....
I agree with you on this. I have enjoyed every single BIoWare game thus far. They are fantastic and the company knows how to weave an immersive RPG experience. The fact that they are bringing the RPG to the MMORPG genre alone is worth considering. I expect to have a good game experience and I hope it will be a lasting one. We'll see though after release and a run through the content.
I'm gonna go ahead an take this a step further. Most of these "haters" are just not smart enough to realize they've moved on from a genre. The problem is, they invested so much of their time and self in their pixelated wookie that they can't come to terms that, "no, you can't have your way. You're not so remarkably clever and special that friggen BIOWARE is going to float away for not bowing down to your time warped sensibilities". It's pathetic really, I can't even begin to pretend to grasp the true depths of disturbance that keeps people filled with bitter vitriol 6 years later over a GAME. Most of these people just need to find another genre to invest their super spooky and stalkerish fanatacism. Unfortunately, without a regime of heavy psychopharmaceuticals, we'll be subjected to more egotistic, self-aggrandizing nonsense from people who've never even played the game of a company knowned for it's quality RPG's. If you want to make lemonade from this lemon of crazy, just keep telling yourself "at least I'm not these people. at least the pleasure and enjoyment I take from a game isn't tainted with 6 years worth of spoiled-childlike emotional baggage".
The thing that i am starting to believe on what really goes on in these forms is that all these haters just want something that does not exist. I'm willing to bet that what these people what is and experince that will make playing games seem real. Like virtual reality or something along those lines like dot.hack. The problem is that we are just not there yet. So they just want to hate on every game. Example of these kind of people would be the people complaining about the graphics "that they are just too toony". I'll be honest SWTOR does not have eye popping graphics but you know its a game. NOT real life. Personaly i do not believe that games should look or feel like real life. We would have just more people in their homes being anti social weirdos who hate life becuase they cannot cast a fire spell or who cannot change into giant bear. Game is just a game. Something to have fun for a little while and then come back to the real world. Life may not have druids, mages, force users ect.. but life can be fun if your willing to actualy go out and try and experince it.
Ugh. Reading the subject I'd thought the OP to be a call for objective and realistic (=balanced) way of looking upon SW:TOR and viewing MMO's in general, as in less gut-based Hating and Fanboism and more Realism.
Instead, the OP is just a rally to be overtly critical and skeptical with SW:TOR.
The ACTUAL size of MMORPG worlds: a comparison list between MMO's
The ease with which predictions are made on these forums:
Fratman: "I'm saying Spring 2012 at the earliest [for TOR release]. Anyone still clinging to 2011 is deluding themself at this point."
first, this website is a pure marketing website (the companys paying cash for good previews, ratings etc.). well, this is one of the reasons why comments who say the truth get fast deleted. often your account will receive a warning because of "trolling".
peopels who see and say the truth are trolls. nice politics dude lol so, no one should stop "trolling".
Actually you're wrong and generalising to make a point. You don't just get a warning for "telling the truth" (lol please stop making "haters" out to be the harbringers of truth and saviours of all MMO players here). You get warnings for either being a complete asshat to other members of the forums, or try to spread malicious lies about a company or its products. And rightly so. If you did that out in the streets you'd either get a punch on the nose or served a law suit. It's about using a little common sense and being mature.
The trouble is on here people often mix their subjective "opinion" with what exactly is accepted by the majority as "the truth", in order to make themselves sound more grand and superior than they really are. There's nothing wrong with having an opinion, but it's completely different when you try to make that same opinion sound like it's an actual fact without enough evidence to justify it. And that's when an opinion can potentially become a lie. And lies should never be tolerated.
For instance, I've openly critisised a few games on here, but have I received a warning for doing so? No. Why? Because the MMORPG mods are actually level headed (for the most part). So long as I make it clear that (where appropriate) it is just my own opinion, state actual facts (as opposed to assumptions) and provide evidence when necessary, make it clear that I am not speaking for anyone else but myself, and don't resort to personal attacks at people whose opinions differ to mine, then they have little to no grounds to give me a warning.
Its about time people started acting more mature, used a little more common sense, and took responsibility for their own actions instead of blaming others for their own stupid actions. Anonimity should not be used as justification to be a complete moron on the internet.
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Very true. I've gotten bans here when I wasn't trolling or criticizing games at all, more the case was I was trying to steer a debate into a more balanced direction, but then with somewhat forceful expressions.
So the paranoia argument that only criticizers and trolls get banned here on mmorpg.com is a fairy tale.
The ACTUAL size of MMORPG worlds: a comparison list between MMO's
The ease with which predictions are made on these forums:
Fratman: "I'm saying Spring 2012 at the earliest [for TOR release]. Anyone still clinging to 2011 is deluding themself at this point."
I thought this was a realistic thread! Fooled me once - Shame on you (I will not look at your threads anymore so I don't get fooled twice.) In all honesty, you base your so-called knowledge of the games lack luster content off of very little information that has been released. Maybe wait till it is closer to release when you have some definitive info to make you baseless claims. Just sayin...