I honestly don't think a classic shard would work that well now, players were a more mature breed in those days.
Back then you could all stand around outside of town and not have everyone mindlessly ganking everyone, even though it was allowed. And when people would get into a fight, people would watch instead of ganging up 10 on 1 for griefing. The open world PvP worked because of the players, not the rule set.
Now a days it would just be step out of town and ganked, constantly. A group of gamers that is all about ganking and griefing have taken over the open world pvp genre, there's no going back now.
I loved original UO, played it non stop. Killed a bunch of people, died from some people, stole from some people, people stole from me. But it wasn't non stop everything I go to do someone ganks me kind of world. (Although it was fun to watch a guy mine until he was over burdened so he had to drop the ore in front of him move past it and pick it up again over and over, so you would stand close by with the threat of stealing it when he dropped it so he would just stand there all day waiting. And yes it happened to me too and it was always funny).
Heres the problem with your theory, you are assuming that the classic server will attract the moron players of today. Odds are, it probably wont.
Why? Thats simple. The vast majority of griefers out there dont even know UO exists. It was before their time. They were all mostly in grade school still picking their noses and eating the contents.
Most, if not all, of those who know about UO are those who still play it or have played it in the past. They are the ones who still periodically check in with UO to see whats new with it. Those are the players the game will attract.
As for the current griefers who play UO, they wont be able to thrive on the classic servers because they are too used to the item dependency game play of the post-AOS servers. Therefore, the risk of, as you put it, getting ganked as soon as you set foot out of town, will be greatly reduced.
While on the topic of getting ganked outside of town, Do you honestly believe that the players would allow for such a thing to even occur? Surely, as someone who played old UO you would remember that if a large group of reds where sitting outside of town attacking people as they came and went, the players always responded and drove them off. That scenario usually led to some of the great and epic battles UO was once known for.
Ive seen that in many peoples posts on here, they all keep mentioning getting ganked as soon as they stepped out of town. What do all of you think? That the blue players are just going to stand idly by and LET the PK's push them around? If so, then you know nothing of how UO was played. Even in the old days, people fought back and did so often. I know I and those I played with did. Hunting reds was very lucrative and fun, and there were a lot of people who did it.
As for the issue of maturity, I believe that the game will attract more mature players with a classic server, because, as I said earlier, most if not all of the players who play on the classic server will be former players. Now, years later, those players are older and more mature than they were over a decade ago. There will be those young grifers from WoW or the AOS servers who will come over and try to start up their idiocy, but they will be met with a majority of mature players who will promptly "smack them down" and send them crying back to the carebear lands and games. Yes, there would be a "group" of players obsessed with griefing, but they would be a very small minority.
Also, people are worried about FPS junkie griefers dont have to worry at all. They are, as you said, FPS junkies. They need instant gratification. They lack the patience (and intelligence) to take the time to work up a character to where they will be able to effectively PVP to grief.
Not to mention the mainstream MMO griefer doesnt know about UO. Because UO as sunk to such obscurity, the mainstream new generation gamers dont even know about it. Lets also not forget that the mainstream griefer is already established on games like WoW, AoC, EvE, and are used to the mainstream method of gameplay. They wont be used to the unique method of gameplay old UO had, and therefore, will avoid it.
So, while the grifer and ganker arguments are plausible, they are just highly improbable in the case of classic servers for UO.
Don't hold your breath, bub. Today's players don't have the patience for a game like Ultima. Whether that's a bad thing or not is another debate - one I'm not even sure where I stand on - but Ultima is not WoW...it's a game you dedicate a part of your life to and still may never get to be great. It's like classic table-top games, the ones people have been playing for years together. That's the generation Ultima came from. That's not what this generation of gamers is made up of.
Not to mention the horribly dated graphics, even for an isometric-ish game. You may as well ask people to go back to playing Atari.
"Forums aren't for intelligent discussion; they're for blow-hards with unwavering opinions."
Don't hold your breath, bub. Today's players don't have the patience for a game like Ultima. Whether that's a bad thing or not is another debate - one I'm not even sure where I stand on - but Ultima is not WoW...it's a game you dedicate a part of your life to and still may never get to be great. It's like classic table-top games, the ones people have been playing for years together. That's the generation Ultima came from. That's not what this generation of gamers is made up of.
Not to mention the horribly dated graphics, even for an isometric-ish game. You may as well ask people to go back to playing Atari.
Well, considering that there are Atari games on Xbox Live Arcade that players are paying to play, I dont thing that graphics are that much of an issue if game play is superior to whats out there now.
Not to mention, there were A LOT of fun games for Atari, so asking players to go back to it isnt a bad thing.
Also, compared to WoWs graphics, Id GLADLY go back to UO's classic isometric 2d sprites. I mean, WoW looks laughably cartoonish.
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Originally posted by vaultbrain
Also, compared to WoWs graphics, Id GLADLY go back to UO's classic isometric 2d sprites. I mean, WoW looks laughably cartoonish.
WoW is supposed to be cartoonish. That's like saying UO's graphics look "laughably two dimensional." That's the intent.
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Also, compared to WoWs graphics, Id GLADLY go back to UO's classic isometric 2d sprites. I mean, WoW looks laughably cartoonish.
WoW is supposed to be cartoonish. That's like saying UO's graphics look "laughably two dimensional." That's the intent.
So? the gameplay from old UO trumps the graphics issues ten fold. Two demensional graphics, but multi-dimentional gameplay.
Bascially, graphics are a pathetic reason against classic servers, because it was never graphics that made UO as great as it was. It was the gameplay and how that gameplay made the community what it was.
Also, compared to WoWs graphics, Id GLADLY go back to UO's classic isometric 2d sprites. I mean, WoW looks laughably cartoonish.
WoW is supposed to be cartoonish. That's like saying UO's graphics look "laughably two dimensional." That's the intent.
So? the gameplay from old UO trumps the graphics issues ten fold. Two demensional graphics, but multi-dimentional gameplay.
Bascially, graphics are a pathetic reason against classic servers, because it was never graphics that made UO as great as it was. It was the gameplay and how that gameplay made the community what it was.
Gameplay in UO was great?
I wonder how many giant bowls of weed laced with acid I would have to smoke in a row to get to the point where I thought the gameplay in UO was great. Maybe... seven. Seven giant bowls of weed laced with acid in a row might get me there.
I played a lot of UO back in the day. It was just a game. It wasn't some great or perfect game that is unable to be replicated. Actually, it worked out the opposite of that. It's part of the beginning of great ideas that led to some of the great MMORPGs we have today.
I'm glad they came out with a classic server so you and others can enjoy the amazing mechanics like skilling up for the next 3087 hours and killing each other for their loot. In the end, all of you will realize that it is, indeed, not as good as you remember.
Also, compared to WoWs graphics, Id GLADLY go back to UO's classic isometric 2d sprites. I mean, WoW looks laughably cartoonish.
WoW is supposed to be cartoonish. That's like saying UO's graphics look "laughably two dimensional." That's the intent.
So? the gameplay from old UO trumps the graphics issues ten fold. Two demensional graphics, but multi-dimentional gameplay.
Bascially, graphics are a pathetic reason against classic servers, because it was never graphics that made UO as great as it was. It was the gameplay and how that gameplay made the community what it was.
Gameplay in UO was great?
I wonder how many giant bowls of weed laced with acid I would have to smoke in a row to get to the point where I thought the gameplay in UO was great. Maybe... seven. Seven giant bowls of weed laced with acid in a row might get me there.
I played a lot of UO back in the day. It was just a game. It wasn't some great or perfect game that is unable to be replicated. Actually, it worked out the opposite of that. It's part of the beginning of great ideas that led to some of the great MMORPGs we have today.
I'm glad they came out with a classic server so you and others can enjoy the amazing mechanics like skilling up for the next 3087 hours and killing each other for their loot. In the end, all of you will realize that it is, indeed, not as good as you remember.
Well, first of all, instead of bowls of acid weed, you should just drink seven bowls of bleach and spare us your ignorance.
Secondly, if you HAD in fact played old UO, even for 5 minutes, you'd know that the SOTD is FAR from a classic server. Its the recreation of the nightmare horror server EA put up a few years ago for halloween and its only going to be up till christmas. Its just an out of control test server that IN NO WAY resembles or re-creates the experience of old UO.
Thirdly, if you did play a lot of UO back in they day, which its pretty clear you didn't, you'd see that none of the games today follow any of the examples of UO, and are all EQ clones made by companies who are desperate to be the next Blizzard.
With all of that said, please, go drink the bleach, or smoke the weed, or whatever it is people like you who have no clue do.
THen.. it was adults and mature players only playing MMO's... no one heard of Paying monthly for a game really.. and parents would not dare pay that for a child (Unless they were pretty weathly)
Now though, every parent is paying for one or two mmo's for their children, most my newphews friends (aged 13) all do WOW! It's mad..... I never dream of paying monthly when i was that age.
I was ten when I first started playing EQ in 1999. Don't bottle us all up into generalizations, please!
EDIT: And I was level 60 by March '01. So it wasn't just a "oh you can log in 10mins a day" thing.
Totally agreed - that guy is a fool, keep on smoking bud.
No game even comes close to UO's features.
UO had skills upon skills and the crafting is unsurpassable in any mmo you can name.
What other mmo can you craft a checker board or a chess board and actually turn around and use it to play against another player?
Housing customization? Hell alot of games have housing but fails to deliver on the customization and varieties of items you can place in them...TROPHY head of that buck you just killed! btw Instance housing SUCK FYI.
The douche bag that says UO lacks everything obviously never try provoking that blood elemental into killing off them ogres.
Classic fishing best, catching them huge fish and chopping them into chunks.
UO best, chopping trees then stripping them for kindles and creating a fire to roast that blackbird that is always getting you killed!!!
I've played most paid to play mmo and tons of free mmo and to date I have yet to see any come close to UO in terms of FUN factor.
FUN : tons of unique skills like UO
FUN: tons of USEFUL crafting like UO (every crafting in UO was awesome and some just damned unique!)
FUN: spells upon spells such as MARK, GATE, OPEN GATE and you tell me what mmo out there has spell books like UO?! UO spell books and Scrolls inscription skills = superb!
I can go on for years!
Only 1 bad thing about UO in its infant days - LAG.
Anyway from what i read in this thread it just seam like a new Siege perilous is coming? since they fucked the old siege perilous long time ago.
But really they can turn the Himalaya up side down i wouldn't care. Uo is dead for me, Ea killed it over and over again, its like an endless death in pain and sorrow that is lasting for a decade now. Now its a next death announced, great, have fun guys, and really Ae don't you have enought, can you really manage to squeeze more money from this title, let it die already lol.
You would be better off signing up for the Link Realms beta and waiting for the invite. The boat for UO has left the dock, sank and been eaten by a kraken.
I can not remember winning or losing a single debate on the internet.
Sorry, but there is no way back. I myself played M59 and not UO at the times but going back to an really old game is always a shock and not at all what at least I remembered.
The game might still exist but the person you were then is dead and gone since a long time.
UO wont come back. There is of course always the possibility for a sequel.
The fact that I have noticed time and again after trying to go back to things is that your current experience can never live up to a memory. The memory is a lie because it hides the bad parts and camouflages the parts you hated and make you forget your ever disliked things. It cheats you into making the memory larger than life and ultimately sets you up for a fall. Won't work like they say you can never go home.
I would love a classic shard that was populated. And I diagree with the nostalga goggles comments. In UO you could do so many things and break up your playtime that you never noticed a grind. In fact, that word did not exist to my knowledge when I played.
If the griefing is as crappy as it was before then NO WAY IN HELL. The masses to make it the biggiest come back ever will just not come.
Yeah for sure they would need to be PvE zones and PvP zones. The time of relentless griefing is over, 99.9% of the gaming population wont accept it anymore. And the rest of the 0.1% are playing Darkfall or Mortal Online.
I remember the big rush to place a house in Trammel when it opened up. The rubberbanding was sure annoying, but I got lucky and placed a log cabin. I really enjoyed playing. Sure, I stayed in Trammel for the most part, but sometimes snuck into Felucca every now and then for some PvP.
If UO can go back to that time period, I would play again. All these scrolls and stuff really made the game suck, in my opinion.
I would love a classic shard that was populated. And I diagree with the nostalga goggles comments. In UO you could do so many things and break up your playtime that you never noticed a grind. In fact, that word did not exist to my knowledge when I played.
My God, that brought the memories back. Thanks for the link!!!
So did we ever get any news on the return of the Classic Shard or if they plan on not doing it? I know we were promised to know either way before the end of the year.
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So did we ever get any news on the return of the Classic Shard or if they plan on not doing it? I know we were promised to know either way before the end of the year.
I was wondering the same.
Anyone know?
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Consensus on the boards is that they will not open one, but the developers will make a video message in jauary or february where they maybe state if they make or don't make one. Official comment of the producer was that a message on the boards, if they do or don't do one would not do it justice :P
I've never been one for amazing graphics, it honestly doesn't bother, I cannot stand games like WoW, every other MMO that is being knocked up every five minutes seems to have exactly the same stuff. I'm not trying to use WoW as a stereotype but I was just saying for the benefit of gamers who don't know games like everquest.
I am 17 years old and I started UO at the age of 15, I play it when I can but college + a girlfriend takes a lot of my time now. I still get on when I can though.
I would love nothing more than to play a classic shard, I really wish I was just a bit older and I could of played UO at its best.
I have found that all the decent old skool MMO's get ruined by stupid updates and or the players change in playing style together (negatively).
I am not a fan of change when it comes to gaming.
I'll be subscribing for years to come if a classic shard is made.
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Heres the problem with your theory, you are assuming that the classic server will attract the moron players of today. Odds are, it probably wont.
Why? Thats simple. The vast majority of griefers out there dont even know UO exists. It was before their time. They were all mostly in grade school still picking their noses and eating the contents.
Most, if not all, of those who know about UO are those who still play it or have played it in the past. They are the ones who still periodically check in with UO to see whats new with it. Those are the players the game will attract.
As for the current griefers who play UO, they wont be able to thrive on the classic servers because they are too used to the item dependency game play of the post-AOS servers. Therefore, the risk of, as you put it, getting ganked as soon as you set foot out of town, will be greatly reduced.
While on the topic of getting ganked outside of town, Do you honestly believe that the players would allow for such a thing to even occur? Surely, as someone who played old UO you would remember that if a large group of reds where sitting outside of town attacking people as they came and went, the players always responded and drove them off. That scenario usually led to some of the great and epic battles UO was once known for.
Ive seen that in many peoples posts on here, they all keep mentioning getting ganked as soon as they stepped out of town. What do all of you think? That the blue players are just going to stand idly by and LET the PK's push them around? If so, then you know nothing of how UO was played. Even in the old days, people fought back and did so often. I know I and those I played with did. Hunting reds was very lucrative and fun, and there were a lot of people who did it.
As for the issue of maturity, I believe that the game will attract more mature players with a classic server, because, as I said earlier, most if not all of the players who play on the classic server will be former players. Now, years later, those players are older and more mature than they were over a decade ago. There will be those young grifers from WoW or the AOS servers who will come over and try to start up their idiocy, but they will be met with a majority of mature players who will promptly "smack them down" and send them crying back to the carebear lands and games. Yes, there would be a "group" of players obsessed with griefing, but they would be a very small minority.
Also, people are worried about FPS junkie griefers dont have to worry at all. They are, as you said, FPS junkies. They need instant gratification. They lack the patience (and intelligence) to take the time to work up a character to where they will be able to effectively PVP to grief.
Not to mention the mainstream MMO griefer doesnt know about UO. Because UO as sunk to such obscurity, the mainstream new generation gamers dont even know about it. Lets also not forget that the mainstream griefer is already established on games like WoW, AoC, EvE, and are used to the mainstream method of gameplay. They wont be used to the unique method of gameplay old UO had, and therefore, will avoid it.
So, while the grifer and ganker arguments are plausible, they are just highly improbable in the case of classic servers for UO.
Don't hold your breath, bub. Today's players don't have the patience for a game like Ultima. Whether that's a bad thing or not is another debate - one I'm not even sure where I stand on - but Ultima is not WoW...it's a game you dedicate a part of your life to and still may never get to be great. It's like classic table-top games, the ones people have been playing for years together. That's the generation Ultima came from. That's not what this generation of gamers is made up of.
Not to mention the horribly dated graphics, even for an isometric-ish game. You may as well ask people to go back to playing Atari.
"Forums aren't for intelligent discussion; they're for blow-hards with unwavering opinions."
Well, considering that there are Atari games on Xbox Live Arcade that players are paying to play, I dont thing that graphics are that much of an issue if game play is superior to whats out there now.
Not to mention, there were A LOT of fun games for Atari, so asking players to go back to it isnt a bad thing.
Also, compared to WoWs graphics, Id GLADLY go back to UO's classic isometric 2d sprites. I mean, WoW looks laughably cartoonish.
WoW is supposed to be cartoonish. That's like saying UO's graphics look "laughably two dimensional." That's the intent.
Let it go OP, it's time has long last.
Velika: City of Wheels: Among the mortal races, the humans were the only one that never built cities or great empires; a curse laid upon them by their creator, Gidd, forced them to wander as nomads for twenty centuries...
So? the gameplay from old UO trumps the graphics issues ten fold. Two demensional graphics, but multi-dimentional gameplay.
Bascially, graphics are a pathetic reason against classic servers, because it was never graphics that made UO as great as it was. It was the gameplay and how that gameplay made the community what it was.
Gameplay in UO was great?
I wonder how many giant bowls of weed laced with acid I would have to smoke in a row to get to the point where I thought the gameplay in UO was great. Maybe... seven. Seven giant bowls of weed laced with acid in a row might get me there.
I played a lot of UO back in the day. It was just a game. It wasn't some great or perfect game that is unable to be replicated. Actually, it worked out the opposite of that. It's part of the beginning of great ideas that led to some of the great MMORPGs we have today.
I'm glad they came out with a classic server so you and others can enjoy the amazing mechanics like skilling up for the next 3087 hours and killing each other for their loot. In the end, all of you will realize that it is, indeed, not as good as you remember.
Well, first of all, instead of bowls of acid weed, you should just drink seven bowls of bleach and spare us your ignorance.
Secondly, if you HAD in fact played old UO, even for 5 minutes, you'd know that the SOTD is FAR from a classic server. Its the recreation of the nightmare horror server EA put up a few years ago for halloween and its only going to be up till christmas. Its just an out of control test server that IN NO WAY resembles or re-creates the experience of old UO.
Thirdly, if you did play a lot of UO back in they day, which its pretty clear you didn't, you'd see that none of the games today follow any of the examples of UO, and are all EQ clones made by companies who are desperate to be the next Blizzard.
With all of that said, please, go drink the bleach, or smoke the weed, or whatever it is people like you who have no clue do.
I was ten when I first started playing EQ in 1999. Don't bottle us all up into generalizations, please!
EDIT: And I was level 60 by March '01. So it wasn't just a "oh you can log in 10mins a day" thing.
He who keeps his cool best wins.
EQ
Haha I paid for a 2nd account so my son (age 6) can level up toons for me, up until they became level 30-35 ish.
Then i''d have him start up a new toon/class.
I'd have him play the melee type while I heal him thereby powerleveling my main (melee) and he'd have fun playing a high level every so often too.
EQ.
I loved UO classic. They ruined UO by introducing Trammel, seperating the shard into Felucca and Trammel - BAD mistake!
Had 4 accounts.
My house is the small one under the big mansion under EAST bank in Britain, Great Lakes.
Totally agreed - that guy is a fool, keep on smoking bud.
No game even comes close to UO's features.
UO had skills upon skills and the crafting is unsurpassable in any mmo you can name.
What other mmo can you craft a checker board or a chess board and actually turn around and use it to play against another player?
Housing customization? Hell alot of games have housing but fails to deliver on the customization and varieties of items you can place in them...TROPHY head of that buck you just killed! btw Instance housing SUCK FYI.
The douche bag that says UO lacks everything obviously never try provoking that blood elemental into killing off them ogres.
Classic fishing best, catching them huge fish and chopping them into chunks.
UO best, chopping trees then stripping them for kindles and creating a fire to roast that blackbird that is always getting you killed!!!
I've played most paid to play mmo and tons of free mmo and to date I have yet to see any come close to UO in terms of FUN factor.
FUN : tons of unique skills like UO
FUN: tons of USEFUL crafting like UO (every crafting in UO was awesome and some just damned unique!)
FUN: spells upon spells such as MARK, GATE, OPEN GATE and you tell me what mmo out there has spell books like UO?! UO spell books and Scrolls inscription skills = superb!
I can go on for years!
Only 1 bad thing about UO in its infant days - LAG.
In the link the op psted i found nothing to read.
Anyway from what i read in this thread it just seam like a new Siege perilous is coming? since they fucked the old siege perilous long time ago.
But really they can turn the Himalaya up side down i wouldn't care. Uo is dead for me, Ea killed it over and over again, its like an endless death in pain and sorrow that is lasting for a decade now. Now its a next death announced, great, have fun guys, and really Ae don't you have enought, can you really manage to squeeze more money from this title, let it die already lol.
You would be better off signing up for the Link Realms beta and waiting for the invite. The boat for UO has left the dock, sank and been eaten by a kraken.
I can not remember winning or losing a single debate on the internet.
Sorry, but there is no way back. I myself played M59 and not UO at the times but going back to an really old game is always a shock and not at all what at least I remembered.
The game might still exist but the person you were then is dead and gone since a long time.
UO wont come back. There is of course always the possibility for a sequel.
The fact that I have noticed time and again after trying to go back to things is that your current experience can never live up to a memory. The memory is a lie because it hides the bad parts and camouflages the parts you hated and make you forget your ever disliked things. It cheats you into making the memory larger than life and ultimately sets you up for a fall. Won't work like they say you can never go home.
Well said.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k26rXxiRhc8
Listen to this vets.. you might just tear up.
I would love a classic shard that was populated. And I diagree with the nostalga goggles comments. In UO you could do so many things and break up your playtime that you never noticed a grind. In fact, that word did not exist to my knowledge when I played.
Remember Old School Ultima Online
I remember the big rush to place a house in Trammel when it opened up. The rubberbanding was sure annoying, but I got lucky and placed a log cabin. I really enjoyed playing. Sure, I stayed in Trammel for the most part, but sometimes snuck into Felucca every now and then for some PvP.
If UO can go back to that time period, I would play again. All these scrolls and stuff really made the game suck, in my opinion.
My God, that brought the memories back. Thanks for the link!!!
So did we ever get any news on the return of the Classic Shard or if they plan on not doing it? I know we were promised to know either way before the end of the year.
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Time played this level: 39 Days, 1 Hour, 24 Minutes, 5 Seconds
I was wondering the same.
Anyone know?
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Consensus on the boards is that they will not open one, but the developers will make a video message in jauary or february where they maybe state if they make or don't make one. Official comment of the producer was that a message on the boards, if they do or don't do one would not do it justice :P
A freeshard will open late january, check for IPY
I see a lot of people bashing the younger gamers.
I've never been one for amazing graphics, it honestly doesn't bother, I cannot stand games like WoW, every other MMO that is being knocked up every five minutes seems to have exactly the same stuff. I'm not trying to use WoW as a stereotype but I was just saying for the benefit of gamers who don't know games like everquest.
I am 17 years old and I started UO at the age of 15, I play it when I can but college + a girlfriend takes a lot of my time now. I still get on when I can though.
I would love nothing more than to play a classic shard, I really wish I was just a bit older and I could of played UO at its best.
I have found that all the decent old skool MMO's get ruined by stupid updates and or the players change in playing style together (negatively).
I am not a fan of change when it comes to gaming.
I'll be subscribing for years to come if a classic shard is made.
Frank
My name is Frank