I tihnk you have a good point, being premium is pretty much the same as getting a lifetimesub but in smal pieces.
But you forget that VIPs also get 500tp month so you can save them to when you drop to premium to buy the things you miss. And there are more things that premium players never get such as rested XP and acces to destiny points which I personally would miss alot.
Also when you drop from VIP to premium you will keep alot of things you had as a VIP on your characters such as bags and trait slots. So depending on how you play jumping between VIP and premium may be a good idea in some cases. Basicly the model is very flexible so everyone can fit the payment plan that suits them best which is why I like it so much (even though it doesnt matter much to me since I have lifetime sub).
I would be careful with that line of thinking, yes you get 500 turbine points a month, but are you really dedicated to safe them? Once you see the shiny number of your turbine points in the store window the inhibition to use them if your in a bind will be alot lower than as if you had to go out of game, log into your acount and have to enter your CC in a payment. Those 500 turbine points only really count if you only spend them on stuff that you would buy anyway even as a premium, which is ... what exactly? Expansion maybe. Personally i would probably spend them on convenience(cause it doesnt feel like your paying money for them).
My basic argument though could be summed up like this:
There are good deals in the store and not so good deals, economically speaking now. For example buying a healing pot is a very bad deal, you buy it, you chuck it, its gone. Now lets say for the price of 10 healing pots(im making prices up) you could get the Lonelands Questpack with instances(around 500-800 points afaik). That is a excellent deal, your potentially going to spend several days of realtime there, and you will reuse it with any future character you make on any server.
Now VIP is based around renting the good deals, while still having to buy the bad ones(a couple of the bad ones are included via the 500 TPs if you so want, but they are still bad deals).
The whole idea of Premium on the other hand is to buy the good deals. Because .. well duh they are good. Your not getting around the bad deals with this either, but you get more out of the good deals(because i cant stress how much better buying is than renting, the prices for these good deals are just so low comperatively).
As to rested XP ... Well i consider it broken. As a casual player with twinks im always rested, and im always leveling way to fast so that i usually finish an area with grey quests, which i personally find annyoing(doing them while grey, or canceling them both). Destiny is something i would miss, but not enough to sway my mind towards what i would consider an inferior payment model.
Originally posted by Powermike
Amen to that Rocketeer.
I chose Lifetime for the simple reason that I am a big MMORPG fan and wanted to switch to more lore and a better community. I know how long I will play this game. I am not kidding that I haven't even tried it, but I just KNOW I will keep playing, having played WoW for 4 years and knowing this game is quite similar besides the better community and graphics here.. Lifetime benefits over everything in the long run, it's why it's lifetime. It's just nice that I can stop worrying about money now .
Same for me, Lifetime combines all the good from VIP subscription with premium advantages on steroids. And yeah, it just feels good to own a lifetime account, you always feel a bit of pressure with a running sub, like when you rented a bunch of videos you feel pressure to watch them, because you have to return them or pay more if delay returning them. And LotRO is definitly a game i wont ever stop, its just so well made imho.
I am going to play LOTRO and am convinced enough to play it for a long time. But is it worth to pay from the start (does it give lots of added value), or is it better to wait with paying until a certain level where F2P becomes inconvenient?
This my current primary MMO, and, for me, worth paying. However, for any game that offers a trial (or F2P), I would recommend that you try it out that way to see if you like the game. Things that I may enjoy may be a turn-off to you
LOTRO is one of the best games around, from its often mature community too its outstanding IP. When you pay to play, you help finance the development of an amazing experience. I could be wrong in the long run, but I doubt it. Help support truly good MMORPGs.
I am going to play LOTRO and am convinced enough to play it for a long time. But is it worth to pay from the start (does it give lots of added value), or is it better to wait with paying until a certain level where F2P becomes inconvenient?
If nothing else you get the added value of gaining five hundred turbine points a month, but obviously you also get access to all of the games content which would be hard to gauge what you get/miss as a paying customer. From the looks of things if you have never played before free to play is pretty viable til the mid 20's thirties as that seems to be where alot of the quests begin to cost money.
What I can say is that LOTRO is the one mmo I have stayed subbed to with the exception of a period when I simply didn't have the time to play, every other mmo I have left due to boredom.
but yeah, to call this game Fantastic is like calling Twilight the Godfather of vampire movies....
I agree totally, I took up the bet and paid for lifetime even before playing because I knew there was a big chance that lifetime wouldn't be available and I saw the good reviews on the forums .
The community is awesome, Up til now I haven't seen a single goldseller, at least in low levels. I haven't met any trolls in general chat. There's an advice channel where people actually answer questions. The group quests and dungeons are smooth and fun. All the people are nice, and at least motivated about the lore as they should be!
I would go F2P till the late teens or early 20's and ran into the Lone Lands quest content. By that time you would know if the game is worth 15 a month or if buying ala carte would be the better deal.
I would go F2P till the late teens or early 20's and ran into the Lone Lands quest content. By that time you would know if the game is worth 15 a month or if buying ala carte would be the better deal.
I would go F2P till the late teens or early 20's and ran into the Lone Lands quest content. By that time you would know if the game is worth 15 a month or if buying ala carte would be the better deal.
he is paying now..:P
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I am going to play LOTRO and am convinced enough to play it for a long time. But is it worth to pay from the start (does it give lots of added value), or is it better to wait with paying until a certain level where F2P becomes inconvenient?
I must be missing something here. I thought he was asking people to give their opinion to that question
It all depends on how you play, how regular and how much you want to grind.
Lotro is a quest based MMORPG. This means you get the majority of your XP from quests and it could be argued that the fun in Lotro is doing the quests, following the story.
A free player pays for nearly everything or has to grind it by winning Shop Points in the game. From other games, this usually means a LOT of grinding, killing mobs over and over.
New quest content has to be bought and this will happen fairly early on. Without it, the only way to level up is to grind monsters endlessly. It can be done, but it is not what Lotro is about.
For an irregular player, who sometimes doesn't play for long periods, it makes sense to be a free player. The money you save on a subscription when you don't play, you can spend on Points and buy content piece meal.
But if you are a regular player and therefor will burn through content, the shop makes no sense. It is simply cheaper to just get a subscription, get all the content and not spend a penny in the shop.
Think of it as renting a car versus buying one. Renting just tends to become very expensive when you do it often.
But if you were convinced about this game, you would have started playing years ago. I recommend you launch a free trial/free to play and TEST the game thoroughly. You can always upgrade later.
Just make sure that when you buy in the shop, you do the math. If you "buy" all the content in the shop (quest packs) then you are cheaper buying lifetime.
It all depends on how you play, how regular and how much you want to grind.
Lotro is a quest based MMORPG. This means you get the majority of your XP from quests and it could be argued that the fun in Lotro is doing the quests, following the story.
Following the story does not require Purchases, the entire Volume 1 is included for F2P. Also instances and skirmishes are not really slower than questing. On the contrary, if you dont know the quests it will take you alot longer.
A free player pays for nearly everything or has to grind it by winning Shop Points in the game. From other games, this usually means a LOT of grinding, killing mobs over and over.
Not in LotRO. TP is tied to completing deeds, which are tied to a variety of things like exploration, using skills a certain amount of time or killing certain mobs. The mobs themselves though do not give TP.
New quest content has to be bought and this will happen fairly early on. Without it, the only way to level up is to grind monsters endlessly. It can be done, but it is not what Lotro is about.
You completely omit the scaling instances and skirmishes. Why anyone would just grind monsters is beyond me.
For an irregular player, who sometimes doesn't play for long periods, it makes sense to be a free player. The money you save on a subscription when you don't play, you can spend on Points and buy content piece meal.
But if you are a regular player and therefor will burn through content, the shop makes no sense. It is simply cheaper to just get a subscription, get all the content and not spend a penny in the shop.
Think of it as renting a car versus buying one. Renting just tends to become very expensive when you do it often.
Heh you got it completely wrong. If you pay the subscription you are renting the game, if you buy content it will be available to you and all your chars forever. Since that content includes scaling raids and instances ... Subscriptions are only worth it if you blow through the content as you said, with only one char, and then stop playing the game. Would cost you around 60$ and be lots of fun im sure /sarcasm.
If you ever played another MMO ask yourself how much time you spend with your alts in non maxlevel content, and then imagine you could at any time come back to the game and roll a new alt or something. There is nothing at maxlevel that would make it worth to hurry there.
But if you were convinced about this game, you would have started playing years ago. I recommend you launch a free trial/free to play and TEST the game thoroughly. You can always upgrade later.
Just make sure that when you buy in the shop, you do the math. If you "buy" all the content in the shop (quest packs) then you are cheaper buying lifetime.
Id like to see your math on that. All questpacks and even expansions(which are not included in lifetime) together amount to not even 100$, less with any offers in the store. I paid 300$ for Lifetime.
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I would be careful with that line of thinking, yes you get 500 turbine points a month, but are you really dedicated to safe them? Once you see the shiny number of your turbine points in the store window the inhibition to use them if your in a bind will be alot lower than as if you had to go out of game, log into your acount and have to enter your CC in a payment. Those 500 turbine points only really count if you only spend them on stuff that you would buy anyway even as a premium, which is ... what exactly? Expansion maybe. Personally i would probably spend them on convenience(cause it doesnt feel like your paying money for them).
My basic argument though could be summed up like this:
There are good deals in the store and not so good deals, economically speaking now. For example buying a healing pot is a very bad deal, you buy it, you chuck it, its gone. Now lets say for the price of 10 healing pots(im making prices up) you could get the Lonelands Questpack with instances(around 500-800 points afaik). That is a excellent deal, your potentially going to spend several days of realtime there, and you will reuse it with any future character you make on any server.
Now VIP is based around renting the good deals, while still having to buy the bad ones(a couple of the bad ones are included via the 500 TPs if you so want, but they are still bad deals).
The whole idea of Premium on the other hand is to buy the good deals. Because .. well duh they are good. Your not getting around the bad deals with this either, but you get more out of the good deals(because i cant stress how much better buying is than renting, the prices for these good deals are just so low comperatively).
As to rested XP ... Well i consider it broken. As a casual player with twinks im always rested, and im always leveling way to fast so that i usually finish an area with grey quests, which i personally find annyoing(doing them while grey, or canceling them both). Destiny is something i would miss, but not enough to sway my mind towards what i would consider an inferior payment model.
This my current primary MMO, and, for me, worth paying. However, for any game that offers a trial (or F2P), I would recommend that you try it out that way to see if you like the game. Things that I may enjoy may be a turn-off to you
Thanks for sharing. Now, I suppose you're off to a sports forum to talk about how much you don't like Football?
LOTRO is one of the best games around, from its often mature community too its outstanding IP. When you pay to play, you help finance the development of an amazing experience. I could be wrong in the long run, but I doubt it. Help support truly good MMORPGs.
If nothing else you get the added value of gaining five hundred turbine points a month, but obviously you also get access to all of the games content which would be hard to gauge what you get/miss as a paying customer. From the looks of things if you have never played before free to play is pretty viable til the mid 20's thirties as that seems to be where alot of the quests begin to cost money.
What I can say is that LOTRO is the one mmo I have stayed subbed to with the exception of a period when I simply didn't have the time to play, every other mmo I have left due to boredom.
but yeah, to call this game Fantastic is like calling Twilight the Godfather of vampire movies....
I agree totally, I took up the bet and paid for lifetime even before playing because I knew there was a big chance that lifetime wouldn't be available and I saw the good reviews on the forums
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The community is awesome, Up til now I haven't seen a single goldseller, at least in low levels. I haven't met any trolls in general chat. There's an advice channel where people actually answer questions. The group quests and dungeons are smooth and fun. All the people are nice, and at least motivated about the lore as they should be!
See you in LOTRO
I would go F2P till the late teens or early 20's and ran into the Lone Lands quest content. By that time you would know if the game is worth 15 a month or if buying ala carte would be the better deal.
I miss DAoC
he is paying now..:P
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Still good info for anyone else still deciding
I must be missing something here. I thought he was asking people to give their opinion to that question
I miss DAoC
Then why are you even on these forums other than to troll?
Maybe he just has a burnout after 5000+ posts and needs a holiday :P
On-topic: I don't mind this suggestion to not play at all, but it has to be supported by something solid
It all depends on how you play, how regular and how much you want to grind.
Lotro is a quest based MMORPG. This means you get the majority of your XP from quests and it could be argued that the fun in Lotro is doing the quests, following the story.
A free player pays for nearly everything or has to grind it by winning Shop Points in the game. From other games, this usually means a LOT of grinding, killing mobs over and over.
New quest content has to be bought and this will happen fairly early on. Without it, the only way to level up is to grind monsters endlessly. It can be done, but it is not what Lotro is about.
For an irregular player, who sometimes doesn't play for long periods, it makes sense to be a free player. The money you save on a subscription when you don't play, you can spend on Points and buy content piece meal.
But if you are a regular player and therefor will burn through content, the shop makes no sense. It is simply cheaper to just get a subscription, get all the content and not spend a penny in the shop.
Think of it as renting a car versus buying one. Renting just tends to become very expensive when you do it often.
But if you were convinced about this game, you would have started playing years ago. I recommend you launch a free trial/free to play and TEST the game thoroughly. You can always upgrade later.
Just make sure that when you buy in the shop, you do the math. If you "buy" all the content in the shop (quest packs) then you are cheaper buying lifetime.