One thing I noticed in this game is that GMs are always present, on all realms. They work in 8 hour shifts and they're really involved (events, announcements and stuff). Also, I've never seen goldseller spam. I'm playing on Aika Global.
Firkrag, you quit a game because your lady character was wearing a thong basically?
I bet you're one of those westeners who would be happy to let your children play Gears of War, Unreal Tournament, etc. Yet not let them play, Conan for example simply because it has bear breasts in it. I'm sick of this mentality over media to be honest. How is extreme violence acceptable, whilst a little bit of an arse showing is not?
Just remember that one day, your kid is going to be f***ing the opposite sex, not chainsawing people in half (I hope!).
Just think about what you're saying for a second.
EDIT: I think I should point out that I don't play the game. I played untill lv.18 way back in the beginning of open beta, for about a week?
No, if you had the ability to read and understand english, then you can see that I quit because the female child, AKA priest character, had her nipples showing out through her lingerie along with a massive overdose of sexual innuendos that the semi naked female child pet, AKA pran, was throwing out all over the place.
Its also very moronic of you to categorize me as one of those westerners who think showering overtones of violence on my children is OK but anything sex related is a strict NO-NO. You sound like your parent(s) dint let you play AoC because it has nudity in it, while getting you a GoW box on your birthday. So you take your situational anecdote from that South Park episode(I think that episode was called Fun With Weapons?) and think that I am one such parent who doesnt give a crap about violence when sex is somewhere involved.
Again how moronic of you to probably take an episode's plot from an animated show and use it as a skewered POV analysis of a person over the internets. Also just to clarify your misguided notions, extreme violence is always given a R, M, NC 17 or atleast a PG rating in most forms of rated media. PG means parental guidance where you do your job as a parent and keep your children from getting bombarded by adult content(sex or detailed gore violence) if they arent old enough to personally cope with such hardcore material, so you might wanna check that up with your caregivers and get it cleared up before getting all sick over the media's mentality.
Frankly you could do yourself a big favour by remembering that your "kid" shouldnt be f***ing the opposite sex or hell even the same sex as long as he/she still is a "kid". Or do you not understand the meaning of the word kid or the meaning of mental/sexual maturity or the meaning of...a person's age? Dunno about how you have been brought up, but Bad parenting is Bad in any part of the world.
You better think about what you are thinking for a second bub, before you go start being Dr Ruth playing advocate to all the MMO pedophiles who play this game for the Wrong reasons. You talk like you are oblivious to the obvious truth and then trying to tell other people on how to raise their kids...what a joke.
My gripe is with the aspects of this game that encourages and caters to the ones flocking here only for the Lolita complex soothing gameplay found in AIKA. And the broken game engine (multi casting AOEs without cooldowns) also to a certain extent. And nothing more. If you like this game for the raids, nation VS nation wars or the fast leveling to the cap then good for you that you found something you like. But AIKA should be given a M ESRB rating only for those other parts which are tailored to the needs of the mentally unwell people.
My gripe is with the aspects of this game that encourages and caters to the ones flocking here only for the Lolita complex soothing gameplay found in AIKA. And the broken game engine (multi casting AOEs without cooldowns) also to a certain extent. And nothing more. If you like this game for the raids, nation VS nation wars or the fast leveling to the cap then good for you that you found something you like. But AIKA should be given a M ESRB rating only for those other parts which are tailored to the needs of the mentally unwell people.
This sums up my impression of Aika. I didn't have to stick around long to figure out that the loli jokes everyone was making had basis in fact. People who want to run around with sub fem humanoid pets in a game should be over 18, and the pets should be clearly stated to be over age 18. At which point, knock yourselves out with the 'master master' bit and all the innuendo your little heart desires, I don't care. What consenting adults do with other consenting adults doesn't bother me in the slightest.
I don't know why this game hasn't sparked some serious global outrage.
To be fair to some of the comments about Westerners exposing kids to fictional violence but not sex, yep, it's true. At least in America. We are hypocritical about it. Our Puritan culture has always cheerfully allowed violence (how do you think the Europeans made room on this continent-they killed off as many of the original inhabitants as they deemed necessary to get what they wanted, while calling themselves Christian folk and repressing human sexuality as much as they could). Is this a good thing? Hell no. Should we let our kids saturate themselves in violent games? Hell no. But that doesn't mean we should accept sexuality in children's games, and we shouldn't accept pedophelia anywhere.
I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy, accompanied by an educational system which would be oriented toward social goals.
No, if you had the ability to read and understand english, then you can see that I quit because the female child, AKA priest character, had her nipples showing out through her lingerie along with a massive overdose of sexual innuendos that the semi naked female child pet, AKA pran, was throwing out all over the place.
So you quit game, because female adult character (ok, if you are so strict about age, we can recognize priest as an teenager female, but still definitely far from a child) has breasts (never shown naked, only if you strip your character to underwear you see nipple perks) - horrible, let's ban all beaches, you can see there much more. Plus game contain female child pet, which is NEVER shown naked in game, NEVER shows any sexual behavior - horrible, lets shut down kindergartens and schools, there is lots of female children there.
No, if you had the ability to read and understand english, then you can see that I quit because the female child, AKA priest character, had her nipples showing out through her lingerie along with a massive overdose of sexual innuendos that the semi naked female child pet, AKA pran, was throwing out all over the place.
So you quit game, because female adult character (ok, if you are so strict about age, we can recognize priest as an teenager female, but still definitely far from a child) has breasts (never shown naked, only if you strip your character to underwear you see nipple perks) - horrible, let's ban all beaches, you can see there much more. Plus game contain female child pet, which is NEVER shown naked in game, NEVER shows any sexual behavior - horrible, lets shut down kindergartens and schools, there is lots of female children there.
lol well said. Obviously they're a prude. Oh no, Pixels showing female characters and bust sizes. Woopie. Grow up and worry about real issues instead of petty crap.
No, no teenage pran innuendos in there. What were we thinking?
What do you think of my new curves, master? Come here and check me out. Don't you wish your guildmates were hot like me?
Blech.
I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy, accompanied by an educational system which would be oriented toward social goals.
Nothing extraordinary for teenager girl (not mistake with child - on this link pran is showed in child form, while sounds comes from teenager form) to look more mature ('It is also the stage of life in which a child develops secondary sex characteristics (for example, a deeper voice and larger adam's apple in boys, and development of breasts and more curved and prominent hips in girls)') or talk in little erotic way, still very limited in Aika. 'Adolescents who have a good relationship with their parents are less likely to engage in various risk behaviors, such as smoking, drinking, fighting, and/or sexual intercourse.' - if teenage pran has erotic character - it must be from intentional choices of player, normally you will hardly get such pran.
Sometimes people can be very narrow minded about stuff. They only see what they wanted to see. Not getting the big picture actually. Maybe you are the few ones that zoom in on your characters and your pran to see their bodies and stuff then react negatively after satisfying yourself. Tsk tsk. Tend not to focus much on the characters body but the enemies surrounding your character and the quests.
No idea, I played it and thought it was a pretty crappy game myself, don't see anything good about it from when I played. Especally since Gpotato hosts it. They gonna also Host Iris Online so expect them to ruin it too.
"An MMORPG could be completely diffirent from WoW. Just look at games like Dofus, Wizard101 or EVE. But as it is, most of the Western MMOs are trying to succeed by out-WoWing WoW. It's like an army of 10 sports games made about same sports, and barely none about other sports. WoW clone is an accurate description of those games, it manages to convey much information with only two words." -Poster on mmorpg.com
Rift: World of Warcraft clone #9321 Nothing special to see here move along.
Nothing extraordinary for teenager girl (not mistake with child - on this link pran is showed in child form, while sounds comes from teenager form) to look more mature ('It is also the stage of life in which a child develops secondary sex characteristics (for example, a deeper voice and larger adam's apple in boys, and development of breasts and more curved and prominent hips in girls)') or talk in little erotic way, still very limited in Aika. 'Adolescents who have a good relationship with their parents are less likely to engage in various risk behaviors, such as smoking, drinking, fighting, and/or sexual intercourse.' - if teenage pran has erotic character - it must be from intentional choices of player, normally you will hardly get such pran.
A teenager is still a child, and the innuendo is clearly designed with a purpose other than teenage realism. No parent would ever want her daughter talking to anyone the way the 'mature' pran does. On top of that, the teenage pran still looks more like a ten or eleven year old than a fifteen or sixteen year old. I have seen teen pran screenshots.
And why are all prans apparantly naked, at least from the waist up, when in conversation with your character?
Someone else asked that in the thread I linked above, actually. Here is what another poster answered:
Same motive about all pran look like pran, the female dark elfs in every mmo, the japoneses sound of Aion.
the answer is.. Korean devs team are... Pervets.
I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy, accompanied by an educational system which would be oriented toward social goals.
A teenager is still a child, and the innuendo is clearly designed with a purpose other than teenage realism. No parent would ever want her daughter talking to anyone the way the 'mature' pran does.
No parent would also want her daughter to be involved in combat, where can be wounded or even die. Still this is only game, not reality. Looks like pran's parent (goddess Aika, players are not pran's parents, just temporary companions) does not care much
- My Pran has taken on my personalty completely... Best. Pran. Ever.
- ; ~; Why can't my pran be like that.
- Hearing a sexy Pran is even more funnier
- But damn thats one funny comment i laughed my arse off when i first saw this one.
- Omg that's so hilarious, almost makes me want the creepy sexy pran. Almost.
- lol'd >.< i got a Sexy pran too but Q_Q i cant see her anymore, i maked a facking hard work to get her. Anyway... i want to see how Sexy Pran in Adulthood phase will be.
- LOL... I have a sexy pran too. Just wait till you get the "What's your favorite kind of nut?" question. ...I facepalmed when I read her response.
- I like korean sexy pran face she is always blushes
As i see from this thread, community generally very much likes mature/sexy prans.
A teenager is still a child, and the innuendo is clearly designed with a purpose other than teenage realism. No parent would ever want her daughter talking to anyone the way the 'mature' pran does.
No parent would also want her daughter to be involved in combat, where can be wounded or even die. Still this is only game, not reality. Looks like pran's parent (goddess Aika, players are not pran's parents, just temporary companions) does not care much
- My Pran has taken on my personalty completely... Best. Pran. Ever.
- ; ~; Why can't my pran be like that.
- Hearing a sexy Pran is even more funnier
- But damn thats one funny comment i laughed my arse off when i first saw this one.
- Omg that's so hilarious, almost makes me want the creepy sexy pran. Almost.
- lol'd >.< i got a Sexy pran too but Q_Q i cant see her anymore, i maked a facking hard work to get her. Anyway... i want to see how Sexy Pran in Adulthood phase will be.
- LOL... I have a sexy pran too. Just wait till you get the "What's your favorite kind of nut?" question. ...I facepalmed when I read her response.
- I like korean sexy pran face she is always blushes
As i see from this thread, community generally very much likes mature/sexy prans.
Do you really think a game with a child pet class where the child pet makes so many innuendos that she is referred to as 'sexy pran' by the community is a good game for children to be playing?
For that matter, do you really think that's a good game for adults to play?
I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy, accompanied by an educational system which would be oriented toward social goals.
One of 6 possible teenager's pran personality is called sexy (or sassy or mature, depending of version), so those kind of pran's are called sexy, is not general name for all pran's. In fact, sexy pran's are rather rare sight in Aika (cause those personality is not easy to obtain).
Even if some purist or prudes may find some parts of game disturbing, it does not change my opinion. Aika is very good game to play for all, has some lacking points (even with quests leveling is too much grindy, very limited customization, gender locked classes, too fast to reach end-game), but still has some nice or unique futures, lots of pvp activities, some funny and interesting areas (map looking like skull, penguins on desert ...) nice looking and very detailed gear, pran - cute and never boring companion. In global Aika you can add very good game support (gPotato lacked more in this area) and often game changes.
One of 6 possible teenager's pran personality is called sexy (or sassy or mature, depending of version), so those kind of pran's are called sexy, is not general name for all pran's. In fact, sexy pran's are rather rare sight in Aika (cause those personality is not easy to obtain).
Even if some purist or prudes may find some parts of game disturbing, it does not change my opinion. Aika is very good game to play for all, has some lacking points (even with quests leveling is too much grindy, very limited customization, gender locked classes, too fast to reach end-game), but still has some nice or unique futures, lots of pvp activities, some funny and interesting areas (map looking like skull, penguins on desert ...) nice looking and very detailed gear, pran - cute and never boring companion. In global Aika you can add very good game support (gPotato lacked more in this area) and often game changes.
See bub, these forums are not only about your or any other fanbois opinion alone. Anyone who wants to post their opinion about the game in its space can do so. When you fail to come up with even the most piss poorly acceptable response to the game's problem then you can do yourself a favour and stop trolling. And people like you call others narrow-minded?
Yes, it has been pointed out many times that this game got some mass PvP action, fast leveling, customizable armour, etc. Not like this is unique ONLY to AIKA, dozens of games atleast would have these features but whatever I guess, since you are trying to point out the reasons why this game should be played.
But what trolls or morons like you fail to understand, and I genuinely mean no offence by calling you such, but you have proved yourself already to be either a moron or a troll or both by simply not understanding why portraying child-like models into sexual themed roleplay is fundamentally wrong, so again what you fail to understand is that this game got no DIRECT TAG of including said child-like models into adult themed environments. Using children as sexual objects by itself is disgusting and criminal in nearly all parts of the world, whats worse is using child-like models with just enough restraint by means of innuendo so as to not be tagged as child pronography.
If there WAS any indication that this game would have semi naked female child pets, Yes in case your eyes are unable to see that or your mind goes into temporary denial mode let me repeat that I clearly meant semi naked female child pets, people would either steer well clear of this game or pedos (like you?) would nosedive into it just for that one reason alone. Not to mention the fanfare such a game would get if any notable reviewer brought it to the public attention that your child who might be playing AIKA has the option to run around with a semi naked female child pet, while being able to flirt with it in a constant questionnaire of sexual content would be enough to make these publishers on US soils run for the hills.
Now are you going to post something that actually responds to how this game is selling sex to minors as well as catering to pedophiles with borderline child pornography? But hold on here, your posts, as much as blatant trolling as they make look might have just given your Actual stand on this issue:
Originally posted by ElgrumPirate
As i see from this thread, community generally very much likes mature/sexy prans.
Originally posted by ElgrumPirate
One of 6 possible teenager's pran personality is called sexy (or sassy or mature, depending of version), so those kind of pran's are called sexy, is not general name for all pran's. In fact, sexy pran's are rather rare sight in Aika (cause those personality is not easy to obtain).
Originally posted by ElgrumPirate
- horrible, let's ban all beaches, you can see there much more. Plus game contain female child pet, which is NEVER shown naked in game, NEVER shows any sexual behavior - horrible, lets shut down kindergartens and schools, there is lots of female children there.
Originally posted by ElgrumPirate
Nothing extraordinary for teenager girl (not mistake with child - on this link pran is showed in child form, while sounds comes from teenager form) to look more mature ('It is also the stage of life in which a child develops secondary sex characteristics (for example, a deeper voice and larger adam's apple in boys, and development of breasts and more curved and prominent hips in girls)') or talk in little erotic way, still very limited in Aika. 'Adolescents who have a good relationship with their parents are less likely to engage in various risk behaviors, such as smoking, drinking, fighting, and/or sexual intercourse.' - if teenage pran has erotic character - it must be from intentional choices of player, normally you will hardly get such pran.
Yea Dr Ruth, you know so much about female anatomy of pixels. Fact that the prans here look like children dont matter, since your experience with pixilated children can give you the expertise to gauge their pixilated ages. And that part about where prans talk in little erotic way by virtue of teenage kicking in would imply that you mean pixels and set of pre-coded strings have endocrine systems by which pixilated hormones turn them into little floozies. As you have already agreed that AIKA uses teenaged child-like models that talk in little erotic way, noticeably your choice of word "erotic" means that the approach to children here(prans) is adult centered, right? Or if you dint mean it then why put it down in words and make yourself look like an utter and complete moron. So I am giving you the benefit of the doubt and assuming that you do have the least bit of intelligence and did indeed mean erotic / adult themed, when you used such said words.
Finally here you have said it yourself: if teenage pran has erotic character - it must be from intentional choices of player.
So, You in your own words have said that if you want to make a sexy pran then the PLAYER, who might be a child of say 10 years or so, would need to respond to it with adult themed content. So this game would be making children playing this game reply to semi naked female child pets in a massively sexual approach to make them obtain a rare pran and prized just due to its rareness, and in your own words you put it as: normally you will hardly get such pran / In fact, sexy pran's are rather rare sight in Aika (cause those personality is not easy to obtain).
In midst of all those foot shifting and purposeful trolling you have personally agreed that this game sells sex to children while using child like models to do so. Do you have any comments other than trolling after agreeing to all this by your own words in that post?
If you want to reply then read the whole damn wall of post before saying something in reply. You seem to be having selective memory loss as well as the foot-in-mouth syndromes, but dont start giving showing signs of ADHD where you start trolling to posts without even reading them completely, ElgrumPirate.
"If there WAS any indication that this game would have semi naked female child pets, Yes in case your eyes are unable to see that or your mind goes into temporary denial mode let me repeat that I clearly meant semi naked female child pets, people would either steer well clear of this game or pedos (like you?) would nosedive into it just for that one reason alone."
Ya know I can see both sides of the argument and I guess it comes down to personal choice as to whether you play the game or protest and don't.
Each to their own at the end of the day and everybody has a right to express their point of view hopefully in a mature way. Your response I am afraid to say goes way way beyond the pale with regards to being vitriolic, venomous and just downright offensive, and as such does not warrant the courtesy of a coherent reply off myself or anybody else that decides to comment.
"If there WAS any indication that this game would have semi naked female child pets, Yes in case your eyes are unable to see that or your mind goes into temporary denial mode let me repeat that I clearly meant semi naked female child pets, people would either steer well clear of this game or pedos (like you?) would nosedive into it just for that one reason alone."
Ya know I can see both sides of the argument and I guess it comes down to personal choice as to whether you play the game or protest and don't.
Each to their own at the end of the day and everybody has a right to express their point of view hopefully in a mature way. Your response I am afraid to say goes way way beyond the pale with regards to being vitriolic, venomous and just downright offensive, and as such does not warrant the courtesy of a coherent reply off myself or anybody else that decides to comment.
No one said you couldn't post your opinion. You want me to look at two sides, though? Okay, how is this for two sides- if it weren't for the mature pran and the half-naked pran issue, I would probably still be playing this game. It seemed pretty good except for that. I can appreciate that the game has good elements. But pedo elements, well, that's a deal breaker.
I downloaded Aika and created an account over the summer, and it seemed pretty fun. I ignored the lolita jokes because I assumed that the people making them were probably a bit oversensitive. Surely no developers would risk a game being branded as a haven for pedophiles by putting semi-naked child pets who make sexual innuendos in their game! That would be crazy!
Alas, my pran fairy showed up naked for her first day on the job. Creepy, inappropriate, and definitely a reason to take a second look at the loli comments. Maybe there was something to them after all. So I went and did a bit of research, and sure enough, there is a type of teenage pran called the sexy or mature pran whose conversations are loaded with sexual innuendos. And it isn't just the fairy who shows up half naked in the conversation icon.
I was enjoying the game until I got my pran, despite the gender locked classes. But I had to uninstall, and of course I let my kid know that Aika is one free to play game he won't be downloading.
What a shame, it could have been a good game. The developers should never have put those innuendos in the game, they should never have created the mature pran in the first place, and they should have put clothes on the pran conversation icon. And, like Firkrag, I simply don't understand how anyone can defend these elements of the game.
I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy, accompanied by an educational system which would be oriented toward social goals.
Let's start first with the more basic ones. I've read all the comments and I've seen the words semi-naked child pran and totally naked fairy pran. My simple answer to the first one would be, there are pran clothes available. In fact, there's a quest which gives you clothing for your child pran even before your fairy evolves to a child. My friend found it weird that they gave it that early and said "Huh? Why did they give me this clothes my pran isn't a child yet." Although now I realized because of this topic that the clothes was given early, probably so that you can dress her up as soon as she turns into a child. For the naked fairy, well maybe the developers may decide to dress them up as well? But they may opt not to. I mean, it's just a fairy. You won't see anything from her even if she's naked unless you really want to insert your own dirty mind into it.
Now for the more serious point, which is labeling the game for pedophiles. My question would be, how many of those people playing Aika are really pedophiles? Most likely, most of them, including myself, play the game because it is fun, and we didn't even notice those pedo issues you pointed out. We see our pran as a companion to help us when fighting monsters. A cute companion, that is
So it's really on how the players view it. Me, and most other Aika players, have clean minds and just enjoy the game. Perhaps there are pedos who just play the game because of those Prans? Then so be it. Leave them be in their own weird worlds. Most likely, the only ones who will notice this pedo issue are the pedophiles themselves, and some people who seem to be disturbed at something which a majority of people didn't even notice.
For firk, why don't you want your child to play it? Because perhaps he might notice what you noticed, which most of us, who are mature enough, didn't even notice? If so, then there's something wrong with your child if he noticed this pedo issue at such a young age instead of just viewing it as a fun game. And if he did, I think I know the reason why... (hint: the parent noticed it).
I really don't want to add that last paragraph but you seem to be attacking other people who are arguing against you. It's even forum rules that you shouldn't. I hope you stop attacking the person and present logical ideas instead. I believe I was able to properly address your concerns and answered it one by one.
Played: Runescape, Adventure Quest Currently playing: Aika Global, Atlantica Online Waiting for: Cardmon Hero, Dynasty Warriors Online
Please re-read my post. I was not commenting on anybodies right to express an opinion. I was commenting on the fact that someone went so far as to imply that another poster was a paedophile and by implication so was every other person that played Aika.
To my mind that went beyond simple flaming and entered the realms of the truly offensive. As such it completely invalidated any comment said poster made.
As to the pran issue.... meh .....whatever. I have more serious issues to waste mental energy on. If Aika is fun then play it. If it isn't or you find it sexualy offensive then don't.
This whole thread reminds me of that sad pitifull minority that will watch a film all the way through, find it offensive, then write a strong letter to whatever newspaper will listen instead of just changing the channel.
The pran is always shown without a shirt in the conversation icon, no matter what clothes she is wearing when you start conversing with her. Correct me if I'm wrong, but that's what the screenshots I've seen show.
But even so, I'm not calling anyone a pedo simply for playing this game. I am very aware that many posters in the gpotato thread I posted preferred other pran to the mature pran and some even found the mature pran creepy. Clearly they aren't even interested in having a 'sexy pran', so clearly there are players who aren't pedos. I do not, however, understand why posters defend certain elements of the game.
My problem with this game is twofold:
1. It does not have a mature rating. It was me who mentioned having a son in a previous post, by the way. And in case anyone was wondering, my kid is old enough to pick up on innuendos quite easily. Sadly, his friends at school have filthy mouths. There isn't much I can do about them.
But that doesn't mean I want him playing a game which a.) has a female pet spouting sexual innuendos who is, even worse, clearly stated to be a child (i.e. under age 18) and b.) a game which may be a haven for pedophiles because of said pet. The internet is unsafe and unsavory enough already.
2. If the mature pran was an adult pran and if all of the underage pran wore clothing in their conversation icon and said and did nothing inappropriate until reaching adulthood, perhaps I would consider it an odd pet class, but I would not be disturbed by it. I'm disturbed by the underage sexy pran because it makes me ask the question, why should anything that is represented to be a child in a game say or do anything of a sexual nature? What purpose does that serve?
My fascination at this point is less with the game than with its defenders.
The question still comes down to this:
Is it appropriate in a game that is not rated Adult Only to have a pet class who looks like a human child and who is represented to be a child and who makes sexual innuendos?
Is it appropriate in any game to have a pet class who looks like a human child and who is represented to be a child and who makes sexual innuendos?
I answer both with a 'no' and therefore I do not play Aika. How you answer is entirely up to you. But if you answer yes to either or both, I would like to know why you think it is appropriate.
I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy, accompanied by an educational system which would be oriented toward social goals.
Whether your pran is naked or not, I cannot quite remember, I quit after the update a while ago expanding the level limits, because it became too much of a grindfest. However getting back to your point from what I remember your pran is naked but it only shows the head and upper shoulders nothing meaningful (again this is based off memory and could be wrong). However even if your pran is ever fully naked, even if you do not have them wear clothes they are given a neglice, it never shows anythign meaningful, as in no sexual organs.
As for the "sexy," "mature," or otherwise, those are mostly just how your pran talks, the voice over that it is given. I never ended up gettting one of those my pran remained cute even after leveling up. As such I cannot speak to the specific innuendos that those attitudes might have, but they are meant to give extra flavor to how you want to customize your character, or in this case your pran.
Fundamentally this is a cutlure problem. To begin with whether seeing a naked, but organless person is bad or not is something people have to decide for themselves. In america I would say it is less accepted, but in asia and Japan where this game was made I believe, the generic "saturday morning cartoons" as we would call them often have transformation sequences which have the character in question becoming completely naked, again minus organs, and their target audience is children.
Also the whole "Pran" system in general is not meant to be a pedophile thing, but rather an incorporation of a certain type of Japanese game. I forget their exact name but basically they are dating sims, you interact with girls and try to get them to fall in love with you. Again something conceptually wierd for americans, but hugely popular in Japan. As for the pran itself, the third level was not implemented before I quit, but at each stage the pran grows older. She starts as a ten or so year old girl, then at level two ages to about fourteen, fifteen, and at level three should end somewhere around sixteen or eighteen. The whole idea that someone is a child when they are seventeen and three hundred and sixty four days, but an adult when they are one day older and eighteen is a totally arbitrary idea anyways.
Getting to your numbers problems (I do not have children and cannot imagine your specific worries about them, as such this may sound insensative or offense):
1. People who rely on ratings when dealing with children are fools. Just look at the history of the movie and tv rating system in america. Back in the day even saying damn, or some minor kind of death (related to horror movies) would pretty much guarentee a movie a R rating. Now a days anything short of the F word, and as long as there is no explict sexual content will pass as pg-13. In regards to tv up until ten years ago you could barely swear at all, now if it is late enough 10pm you can get aways with saying the F world on cable tv.
My point is that ratings, and the systems that govern them change so if you want control over what your kid sees or does, check it out yourself.
As for innuendos I did not see how young you said your child was, but in my experience being ignorant of things generally causes more problems than being knowledgable about them.
As for the internet, if you believe that any part of the internet is safe and child appropriate I would say you have missed something along the way. I would go on to argue that the more safe you think a place might be, as do not know you so this is only a guess, such as typical childrens websites, like disney or whatever, will be even more likely to attract those undesierables. The place were children congregate tends to be where pedophiles also gather, parks, schools, etc... On the other hand a game that is fundamentally for hardcore pvp'ing does not lend much time to trolling for school children.
2. As I already mentioned above most of the conversation shots are shoulders and above. And just to clarify things a Pran is technically a fairy, and as long as something is not human, regardless of how it may appear (for purposes of age) it should not matter. Who knows how the internal structure of faries works? Maybe by age ten they have equal intelligence and mental exeperience to a twenty five year old adult. As for the purpose of a pran, rather than it being a "pet" it is more a companion that is always with you, cheering you on, helping you out. As I said before this is at its core a culture difference the very fact that you assumed it was a pet, rather than a companion shows where you draw your lines. By the way that was not ment to insult, but rather to point out the differences.
In closing I am not trying to convince you to play this game for yourself and your own enjoyment I understand that you seem to find it morally bankrupt. However if you were thinking of letting your child play it, rather than basing you ideas and conclusions on other peoples ideas and conclusions play for yourself a bit, understand the game, the idea behind it, and judge for yourself what you think.
As an aside when did it become okay for children to play games where death and killing has no consequence at all, but "sexual innuendos" are "oh my god" totally inappropriate. I am not saying either way is correct just that all of your issues with this game were regarding something of little consequence, a companion who comes along with you and makes soloing less boring. Rather than the giant realm versus realm battles that constantly engulf the game, and the dead bodies littering the high traffic battle areas, that are the dominate concept behind the game.
Whether your pran is naked or not, I cannot quite remember, I quit after the update a while ago expanding the level limits, because it became too much of a grindfest. However getting back to your point from what I remember your pran is naked but it only shows the head and upper shoulders nothing meaningful (again this is based off memory and could be wrong). However even if your pran is ever fully naked, even if you do not have them wear clothes they are given a neglice, it never shows anythign meaningful, as in no sexual organs.
You are correct, none of the conversation icons show anything meaningful, but the pran does appear to be naked, at least from the waist up, and the question is, why?
As for the "sexy," "mature," or otherwise, those are mostly just how your pran talks, the voice over that it is given. I never ended up gettting one of those my pran remained cute even after leveling up. As such I cannot speak to the specific innuendos that those attitudes might have, but they are meant to give extra flavor to how you want to customize your character, or in this case your pran.
I posted a youtube link with the things the sexy pran says. Her conversation is loaded with innuendos. It's not merely the sound of her voice, it's what she says.
Fundamentally this is a cutlure problem. To begin with whether seeing a naked, but organless person is bad or not is something people have to decide for themselves. In america I would say it is less accepted, but in asia and Japan where this game was made I believe, the generic "saturday morning cartoons" as we would call them often have transformation sequences which have the character in question becoming completely naked, again minus organs, and their target audience is children.
You are right, the nudity is partially a cultural issue. One the devs/distributors were surely aware of before they brought this product to the west. I'm puzzled that they risked criticism by failing to edit accordingly.
Also the whole "Pran" system in general is not meant to be a pedophile thing, but rather an incorporation of a certain type of Japanese game. I forget their exact name but basically they are dating sims, you interact with girls and try to get them to fall in love with you. Again something conceptually wierd for americans, but hugely popular in Japan. As for the pran itself, the third level was not implemented before I quit, but at each stage the pran grows older. She starts as a ten or so year old girl, then at level two ages to about fourteen, fifteen, and at level three should end somewhere around sixteen or eighteen. The whole idea that someone is a child when they are seventeen and three hundred and sixty four days, but an adult when they are one day older and eighteen is a totally arbitrary idea anyways.
Again, I don't care what adults do with other consenting adults or with pixels of adults. But these pixels represent children. They look like children and for the most part they act like children. And the developers decided to make a pran that looked and acted like a child but who also makes sexual innuendos. And as far as I know from what I've read, no adult pran yet exists. You mention Japanese culture, but you didn't mention lolicon. Which is apparently all the rage in many Asian cultures at the moment. Lolicon describes an attraction to underage girls. And yes, I know the name derives from a western novel.
Getting to your numbers problems (I do not have children and cannot imagine your specific worries about them, as such this may sound insensative or offense):
1. People who rely on ratings when dealing with children are fools. Just look at the history of the movie and tv rating system in america. Back in the day even saying damn, or some minor kind of death (related to horror movies) would pretty much guarentee a movie a R rating. Now a days anything short of the F word, and as long as there is no explict sexual content will pass as pg-13. In regards to tv up until ten years ago you could barely swear at all, now if it is late enough 10pm you can get aways with saying the F world on cable tv.
My point is that ratings, and the systems that govern them change so if you want control over what your kid sees or does, check it out yourself.
As for innuendos I did not see how young you said your child was, but in my experience being ignorant of things generally causes more problems than being knowledgable about them.
As for the internet, if you believe that any part of the internet is safe and child appropriate I would say you have missed something along the way. I would go on to argue that the more safe you think a place might be, as do not know you so this is only a guess, such as typical childrens websites, like disney or whatever, will be even more likely to attract those undesierables. The place were children congregate tends to be where pedophiles also gather, parks, schools, etc... On the other hand a game that is fundamentally for hardcore pvp'ing does not lend much time to trolling for school children.
The internet isn't safe, and ratings are not a complete guarantee of content, you are correct. But ratings are better than nothing, and if Aika specifically draws pedos, then interaction with a pedo in the game becomes statistically more likely than in games that don't specifically draw pedos.
2. As I already mentioned above most of the conversation shots are shoulders and above. And just to clarify things a Pran is technically a fairy, and as long as something is not human, regardless of how it may appear (for purposes of age) it should not matter. Who knows how the internal structure of faries works? Maybe by age ten they have equal intelligence and mental exeperience to a twenty five year old adult. As for the purpose of a pran, rather than it being a "pet" it is more a companion that is always with you, cheering you on, helping you out. As I said before this is at its core a culture difference the very fact that you assumed it was a pet, rather than a companion shows where you draw your lines. By the way that was not ment to insult, but rather to point out the differences.
If it looks like a human child and acts like a human child, it's a representation of a human child and should, in my opinion. be treated appropriately. And 'pet' is the term I use because I'm familiar with it from other MMOs that have 'pet classes'.
In closing I am not trying to convince you to play this game for yourself and your own enjoyment I understand that you seem to find it morally bankrupt. However if you were thinking of letting your child play it, rather than basing you ideas and conclusions on other peoples ideas and conclusions play for yourself a bit, understand the game, the idea behind it, and judge for yourself what you think.
I did play Aika for a bit, and I did decide it is not suitable for my child. I also don't find it suitable for adults, and so I stopped playing.
As an aside when did it become okay for children to play games where death and killing has no consequence at all, but "sexual innuendos" are "oh my god" totally inappropriate. I am not saying either way is correct just that all of your issues with this game were regarding something of little consequence, a companion who comes along with you and makes soloing less boring. Rather than the giant realm versus realm battles that constantly engulf the game, and the dead bodies littering the high traffic battle areas, that are the dominate concept behind the game.
I already acknowledged the American hypocrisy in regards to violence in games in another thread. I'm guilty of it. However, I don't consider a pet class in a game that looks and acts like a child and is represented as a child and who makes sexual innuendos to be 'of little consequence'. I find it quite disturbing and a serious matter worthy of serious discussion, which you have provided, and I thank you.
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I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy, accompanied by an educational system which would be oriented toward social goals.
I think this discussion will not end unless someone ends it. I can still argue with what you presented, and you weren't able to address many of the points that I mentioned earlier, either.
However, I don't think anyone will be convinced to believe the side of the other. So let's just finish this discussion as is. If there are people who believe that Aika is for pedophiles, or should have a mature rating, or whatever complaints, then fine. To those people like us who just play the game because it's fun and who are mature enough to not put dirty thoughts in any of the contents in Aika, then let's just play and enjoy the game.
Bottom line, we all have our own opinions. Some may be right, some may be wrong. But if it's really impossible to correct things or convince one side, then we should just end the discussion since it may result to flaming and attacking people. Peace out!
Played: Runescape, Adventure Quest Currently playing: Aika Global, Atlantica Online Waiting for: Cardmon Hero, Dynasty Warriors Online
To those people like us who just play the game because it's fun and who are mature enough to not put dirty thoughts in any of the contents in Aika, then let's just play and enjoy the game.
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The devs put the sexual innuendos into the conversations of the mature teen pran. It's not fair to blame players for picking up on those innuendos and making judgments about the game based on them. How each of us does judge the game by that content is indeed up to each of us.
I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy, accompanied by an educational system which would be oriented toward social goals.
It depends really on how one understands it. Don't play it or don't recommend it if you think there's something wrong with the pet system. PVP environment feels great though. I can't argue with that
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One thing I noticed in this game is that GMs are always present, on all realms. They work in 8 hour shifts and they're really involved (events, announcements and stuff). Also, I've never seen goldseller spam. I'm playing on Aika Global.
No, if you had the ability to read and understand english, then you can see that I quit because the female child, AKA priest character, had her nipples showing out through her lingerie along with a massive overdose of sexual innuendos that the semi naked female child pet, AKA pran, was throwing out all over the place.
Its also very moronic of you to categorize me as one of those westerners who think showering overtones of violence on my children is OK but anything sex related is a strict NO-NO. You sound like your parent(s) dint let you play AoC because it has nudity in it, while getting you a GoW box on your birthday. So you take your situational anecdote from that South Park episode(I think that episode was called Fun With Weapons?) and think that I am one such parent who doesnt give a crap about violence when sex is somewhere involved.
Again how moronic of you to probably take an episode's plot from an animated show and use it as a skewered POV analysis of a person over the internets. Also just to clarify your misguided notions, extreme violence is always given a R, M, NC 17 or atleast a PG rating in most forms of rated media. PG means parental guidance where you do your job as a parent and keep your children from getting bombarded by adult content(sex or detailed gore violence) if they arent old enough to personally cope with such hardcore material, so you might wanna check that up with your caregivers and get it cleared up before getting all sick over the media's mentality.
Frankly you could do yourself a big favour by remembering that your "kid" shouldnt be f***ing the opposite sex or hell even the same sex as long as he/she still is a "kid". Or do you not understand the meaning of the word kid or the meaning of mental/sexual maturity or the meaning of...a person's age? Dunno about how you have been brought up, but Bad parenting is Bad in any part of the world.
You better think about what you are thinking for a second bub, before you go start being Dr Ruth playing advocate to all the MMO pedophiles who play this game for the Wrong reasons. You talk like you are oblivious to the obvious truth and then trying to tell other people on how to raise their kids...what a joke.
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My gripe is with the aspects of this game that encourages and caters to the ones flocking here only for the Lolita complex soothing gameplay found in AIKA. And the broken game engine (multi casting AOEs without cooldowns) also to a certain extent. And nothing more. If you like this game for the raids, nation VS nation wars or the fast leveling to the cap then good for you that you found something you like. But AIKA should be given a M ESRB rating only for those other parts which are tailored to the needs of the mentally unwell people.
This sums up my impression of Aika. I didn't have to stick around long to figure out that the loli jokes everyone was making had basis in fact. People who want to run around with sub fem humanoid pets in a game should be over 18, and the pets should be clearly stated to be over age 18. At which point, knock yourselves out with the 'master master' bit and all the innuendo your little heart desires, I don't care. What consenting adults do with other consenting adults doesn't bother me in the slightest.
I don't know why this game hasn't sparked some serious global outrage.
To be fair to some of the comments about Westerners exposing kids to fictional violence but not sex, yep, it's true. At least in America. We are hypocritical about it. Our Puritan culture has always cheerfully allowed violence (how do you think the Europeans made room on this continent-they killed off as many of the original inhabitants as they deemed necessary to get what they wanted, while calling themselves Christian folk and repressing human sexuality as much as they could). Is this a good thing? Hell no. Should we let our kids saturate themselves in violent games? Hell no. But that doesn't mean we should accept sexuality in children's games, and we shouldn't accept pedophelia anywhere.
I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy, accompanied by an educational system which would be oriented toward social goals.
~Albert Einstein
So you quit game, because female adult character (ok, if you are so strict about age, we can recognize priest as an teenager female, but still definitely far from a child) has breasts (never shown naked, only if you strip your character to underwear you see nipple perks) - horrible, let's ban all beaches, you can see there much more. Plus game contain female child pet, which is NEVER shown naked in game, NEVER shows any sexual behavior - horrible, lets shut down kindergartens and schools, there is lots of female children there.
lol well said. Obviously they're a prude. Oh no, Pixels showing female characters and bust sizes. Woopie. Grow up and worry about real issues instead of petty crap.
Gamer-4-Life
No, no teenage pran innuendos in there. What were we thinking?
What do you think of my new curves, master? Come here and check me out. Don't you wish your guildmates were hot like me?
Blech.
I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy, accompanied by an educational system which would be oriented toward social goals.
~Albert Einstein
Nothing extraordinary for teenager girl (not mistake with child - on this link pran is showed in child form, while sounds comes from teenager form) to look more mature ('It is also the stage of life in which a child develops secondary sex characteristics (for example, a deeper voice and larger adam's apple in boys, and development of breasts and more curved and prominent hips in girls)') or talk in little erotic way, still very limited in Aika. 'Adolescents who have a good relationship with their parents are less likely to engage in various risk behaviors, such as smoking, drinking, fighting, and/or sexual intercourse.' - if teenage pran has erotic character - it must be from intentional choices of player, normally you will hardly get such pran.
what hype? its bad
Sometimes people can be very narrow minded about stuff. They only see what they wanted to see. Not getting the big picture actually. Maybe you are the few ones that zoom in on your characters and your pran to see their bodies and stuff then react negatively after satisfying yourself. Tsk tsk. Tend not to focus much on the characters body but the enemies surrounding your character and the quests.
No idea, I played it and thought it was a pretty crappy game myself, don't see anything good about it from when I played. Especally since Gpotato hosts it. They gonna also Host Iris Online so expect them to ruin it too.
"An MMORPG could be completely diffirent from WoW. Just look at games like Dofus, Wizard101 or EVE. But as it is, most of the Western MMOs are trying to succeed by out-WoWing WoW. It's like an army of 10 sports games made about same sports, and barely none about other sports. WoW clone is an accurate description of those games, it manages to convey much information with only two words."
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Rift: World of Warcraft clone #9321 Nothing special to see here move along.
A teenager is still a child, and the innuendo is clearly designed with a purpose other than teenage realism. No parent would ever want her daughter talking to anyone the way the 'mature' pran does. On top of that, the teenage pran still looks more like a ten or eleven year old than a fifteen or sixteen year old. I have seen teen pran screenshots.
This thread, from the official GPotato Aika forums, shows what the community thinks of the mature (or as many of them call her, the sexy pran): http://aika-forum.gpotato.com/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=8990
And why are all prans apparantly naked, at least from the waist up, when in conversation with your character?
Someone else asked that in the thread I linked above, actually. Here is what another poster answered:
Same motive about all pran look like pran, the female dark elfs in every mmo, the japoneses sound of Aion.
the answer is.. Korean devs team are... Pervets.
I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy, accompanied by an educational system which would be oriented toward social goals.
~Albert Einstein
No parent would also want her daughter to be involved in combat, where can be wounded or even die. Still this is only game, not reality. Looks like pran's parent (goddess Aika, players are not pran's parents, just temporary companions) does not care much
- My Pran has taken on my personalty completely... Best. Pran. Ever.
- ; ~; Why can't my pran be like that.
- Hearing a sexy Pran is even more funnier
- But damn thats one funny comment i laughed my arse off when i first saw this one.
- Omg that's so hilarious, almost makes me want the creepy sexy pran. Almost.
- lol'd >.< i got a Sexy pran too but Q_Q i cant see her anymore, i maked a facking hard work to get her. Anyway... i want to see how Sexy Pran in Adulthood phase will be.
- LOL... I have a sexy pran too. Just wait till you get the "What's your favorite kind of nut?" question. ...I facepalmed when I read her response.
- I like korean sexy pran face she is always blushes
As i see from this thread, community generally very much likes mature/sexy prans.
Do you really think a game with a child pet class where the child pet makes so many innuendos that she is referred to as 'sexy pran' by the community is a good game for children to be playing?
For that matter, do you really think that's a good game for adults to play?
I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy, accompanied by an educational system which would be oriented toward social goals.
~Albert Einstein
One of 6 possible teenager's pran personality is called sexy (or sassy or mature, depending of version), so those kind of pran's are called sexy, is not general name for all pran's. In fact, sexy pran's are rather rare sight in Aika (cause those personality is not easy to obtain).
Even if some purist or prudes may find some parts of game disturbing, it does not change my opinion. Aika is very good game to play for all, has some lacking points (even with quests leveling is too much grindy, very limited customization, gender locked classes, too fast to reach end-game), but still has some nice or unique futures, lots of pvp activities, some funny and interesting areas (map looking like skull, penguins on desert ...) nice looking and very detailed gear, pran - cute and never boring companion. In global Aika you can add very good game support (gPotato lacked more in this area) and often game changes.
See bub, these forums are not only about your or any other fanbois opinion alone. Anyone who wants to post their opinion about the game in its space can do so. When you fail to come up with even the most piss poorly acceptable response to the game's problem then you can do yourself a favour and stop trolling. And people like you call others narrow-minded?
Yes, it has been pointed out many times that this game got some mass PvP action, fast leveling, customizable armour, etc. Not like this is unique ONLY to AIKA, dozens of games atleast would have these features but whatever I guess, since you are trying to point out the reasons why this game should be played.
But what trolls or morons like you fail to understand, and I genuinely mean no offence by calling you such, but you have proved yourself already to be either a moron or a troll or both by simply not understanding why portraying child-like models into sexual themed roleplay is fundamentally wrong, so again what you fail to understand is that this game got no DIRECT TAG of including said child-like models into adult themed environments. Using children as sexual objects by itself is disgusting and criminal in nearly all parts of the world, whats worse is using child-like models with just enough restraint by means of innuendo so as to not be tagged as child pronography.
If there WAS any indication that this game would have semi naked female child pets, Yes in case your eyes are unable to see that or your mind goes into temporary denial mode let me repeat that I clearly meant semi naked female child pets, people would either steer well clear of this game or pedos (like you?) would nosedive into it just for that one reason alone. Not to mention the fanfare such a game would get if any notable reviewer brought it to the public attention that your child who might be playing AIKA has the option to run around with a semi naked female child pet, while being able to flirt with it in a constant questionnaire of sexual content would be enough to make these publishers on US soils run for the hills.
Now are you going to post something that actually responds to how this game is selling sex to minors as well as catering to pedophiles with borderline child pornography? But hold on here, your posts, as much as blatant trolling as they make look might have just given your Actual stand on this issue:
Yea Dr Ruth, you know so much about female anatomy of pixels. Fact that the prans here look like children dont matter, since your experience with pixilated children can give you the expertise to gauge their pixilated ages. And that part about where prans talk in little erotic way by virtue of teenage kicking in would imply that you mean pixels and set of pre-coded strings have endocrine systems by which pixilated hormones turn them into little floozies. As you have already agreed that AIKA uses teenaged child-like models that talk in little erotic way, noticeably your choice of word "erotic" means that the approach to children here(prans) is adult centered, right? Or if you dint mean it then why put it down in words and make yourself look like an utter and complete moron. So I am giving you the benefit of the doubt and assuming that you do have the least bit of intelligence and did indeed mean erotic / adult themed, when you used such said words.
Finally here you have said it yourself: if teenage pran has erotic character - it must be from intentional choices of player.
So, You in your own words have said that if you want to make a sexy pran then the PLAYER, who might be a child of say 10 years or so, would need to respond to it with adult themed content. So this game would be making children playing this game reply to semi naked female child pets in a massively sexual approach to make them obtain a rare pran and prized just due to its rareness, and in your own words you put it as: normally you will hardly get such pran / In fact, sexy pran's are rather rare sight in Aika (cause those personality is not easy to obtain).
In midst of all those foot shifting and purposeful trolling you have personally agreed that this game sells sex to children while using child like models to do so. Do you have any comments other than trolling after agreeing to all this by your own words in that post?
If you want to reply then read the whole damn wall of post before saying something in reply. You seem to be having selective memory loss as well as the foot-in-mouth syndromes, but dont start giving showing signs of ADHD where you start trolling to posts without even reading them completely, ElgrumPirate.
"If there WAS any indication that this game would have semi naked female child pets, Yes in case your eyes are unable to see that or your mind goes into temporary denial mode let me repeat that I clearly meant semi naked female child pets, people would either steer well clear of this game or pedos (like you?) would nosedive into it just for that one reason alone."
Ya know I can see both sides of the argument and I guess it comes down to personal choice as to whether you play the game or protest and don't.
Each to their own at the end of the day and everybody has a right to express their point of view hopefully in a mature way. Your response I am afraid to say goes way way beyond the pale with regards to being vitriolic, venomous and just downright offensive, and as such does not warrant the courtesy of a coherent reply off myself or anybody else that decides to comment.
No one said you couldn't post your opinion. You want me to look at two sides, though? Okay, how is this for two sides- if it weren't for the mature pran and the half-naked pran issue, I would probably still be playing this game. It seemed pretty good except for that. I can appreciate that the game has good elements. But pedo elements, well, that's a deal breaker.
I downloaded Aika and created an account over the summer, and it seemed pretty fun. I ignored the lolita jokes because I assumed that the people making them were probably a bit oversensitive. Surely no developers would risk a game being branded as a haven for pedophiles by putting semi-naked child pets who make sexual innuendos in their game! That would be crazy!
Alas, my pran fairy showed up naked for her first day on the job. Creepy, inappropriate, and definitely a reason to take a second look at the loli comments. Maybe there was something to them after all. So I went and did a bit of research, and sure enough, there is a type of teenage pran called the sexy or mature pran whose conversations are loaded with sexual innuendos. And it isn't just the fairy who shows up half naked in the conversation icon.
I was enjoying the game until I got my pran, despite the gender locked classes. But I had to uninstall, and of course I let my kid know that Aika is one free to play game he won't be downloading.
What a shame, it could have been a good game. The developers should never have put those innuendos in the game, they should never have created the mature pran in the first place, and they should have put clothes on the pran conversation icon. And, like Firkrag, I simply don't understand how anyone can defend these elements of the game.
I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy, accompanied by an educational system which would be oriented toward social goals.
~Albert Einstein
To firk and madi:
Let's start first with the more basic ones. I've read all the comments and I've seen the words semi-naked child pran and totally naked fairy pran. My simple answer to the first one would be, there are pran clothes available. In fact, there's a quest which gives you clothing for your child pran even before your fairy evolves to a child. My friend found it weird that they gave it that early and said "Huh? Why did they give me this clothes my pran isn't a child yet." Although now I realized because of this topic that the clothes was given early, probably so that you can dress her up as soon as she turns into a child. For the naked fairy, well maybe the developers may decide to dress them up as well? But they may opt not to. I mean, it's just a fairy. You won't see anything from her even if she's naked unless you really want to insert your own dirty mind into it.
Now for the more serious point, which is labeling the game for pedophiles. My question would be, how many of those people playing Aika are really pedophiles? Most likely, most of them, including myself, play the game because it is fun, and we didn't even notice those pedo issues you pointed out. We see our pran as a companion to help us when fighting monsters. A cute companion, that is
So it's really on how the players view it. Me, and most other Aika players, have clean minds and just enjoy the game. Perhaps there are pedos who just play the game because of those Prans? Then so be it. Leave them be in their own weird worlds. Most likely, the only ones who will notice this pedo issue are the pedophiles themselves, and some people who seem to be disturbed at something which a majority of people didn't even notice.
For firk, why don't you want your child to play it? Because perhaps he might notice what you noticed, which most of us, who are mature enough, didn't even notice? If so, then there's something wrong with your child if he noticed this pedo issue at such a young age instead of just viewing it as a fun game. And if he did, I think I know the reason why... (hint: the parent noticed it).
I really don't want to add that last paragraph but you seem to be attacking other people who are arguing against you. It's even forum rules that you shouldn't. I hope you stop attacking the person and present logical ideas instead. I believe I was able to properly address your concerns and answered it one by one.
Played: Runescape, Adventure Quest
Currently playing: Aika Global, Atlantica Online
Waiting for: Cardmon Hero, Dynasty Warriors Online
@ Madmordiga
Please re-read my post. I was not commenting on anybodies right to express an opinion. I was commenting on the fact that someone went so far as to imply that another poster was a paedophile and by implication so was every other person that played Aika.
To my mind that went beyond simple flaming and entered the realms of the truly offensive. As such it completely invalidated any comment said poster made.
As to the pran issue.... meh .....whatever. I have more serious issues to waste mental energy on. If Aika is fun then play it. If it isn't or you find it sexualy offensive then don't.
This whole thread reminds me of that sad pitifull minority that will watch a film all the way through, find it offensive, then write a strong letter to whatever newspaper will listen instead of just changing the channel.
The pran is always shown without a shirt in the conversation icon, no matter what clothes she is wearing when you start conversing with her. Correct me if I'm wrong, but that's what the screenshots I've seen show.
But even so, I'm not calling anyone a pedo simply for playing this game. I am very aware that many posters in the gpotato thread I posted preferred other pran to the mature pran and some even found the mature pran creepy. Clearly they aren't even interested in having a 'sexy pran', so clearly there are players who aren't pedos. I do not, however, understand why posters defend certain elements of the game.
My problem with this game is twofold:
1. It does not have a mature rating. It was me who mentioned having a son in a previous post, by the way. And in case anyone was wondering, my kid is old enough to pick up on innuendos quite easily. Sadly, his friends at school have filthy mouths. There isn't much I can do about them.
But that doesn't mean I want him playing a game which a.) has a female pet spouting sexual innuendos who is, even worse, clearly stated to be a child (i.e. under age 18) and b.) a game which may be a haven for pedophiles because of said pet. The internet is unsafe and unsavory enough already.
2. If the mature pran was an adult pran and if all of the underage pran wore clothing in their conversation icon and said and did nothing inappropriate until reaching adulthood, perhaps I would consider it an odd pet class, but I would not be disturbed by it. I'm disturbed by the underage sexy pran because it makes me ask the question, why should anything that is represented to be a child in a game say or do anything of a sexual nature? What purpose does that serve?
My fascination at this point is less with the game than with its defenders.
The question still comes down to this:
Is it appropriate in a game that is not rated Adult Only to have a pet class who looks like a human child and who is represented to be a child and who makes sexual innuendos?
Is it appropriate in any game to have a pet class who looks like a human child and who is represented to be a child and who makes sexual innuendos?
I answer both with a 'no' and therefore I do not play Aika. How you answer is entirely up to you. But if you answer yes to either or both, I would like to know why you think it is appropriate.
I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy, accompanied by an educational system which would be oriented toward social goals.
~Albert Einstein
@Madimorga
Whether your pran is naked or not, I cannot quite remember, I quit after the update a while ago expanding the level limits, because it became too much of a grindfest. However getting back to your point from what I remember your pran is naked but it only shows the head and upper shoulders nothing meaningful (again this is based off memory and could be wrong). However even if your pran is ever fully naked, even if you do not have them wear clothes they are given a neglice, it never shows anythign meaningful, as in no sexual organs.
As for the "sexy," "mature," or otherwise, those are mostly just how your pran talks, the voice over that it is given. I never ended up gettting one of those my pran remained cute even after leveling up. As such I cannot speak to the specific innuendos that those attitudes might have, but they are meant to give extra flavor to how you want to customize your character, or in this case your pran.
Fundamentally this is a cutlure problem. To begin with whether seeing a naked, but organless person is bad or not is something people have to decide for themselves. In america I would say it is less accepted, but in asia and Japan where this game was made I believe, the generic "saturday morning cartoons" as we would call them often have transformation sequences which have the character in question becoming completely naked, again minus organs, and their target audience is children.
Also the whole "Pran" system in general is not meant to be a pedophile thing, but rather an incorporation of a certain type of Japanese game. I forget their exact name but basically they are dating sims, you interact with girls and try to get them to fall in love with you. Again something conceptually wierd for americans, but hugely popular in Japan. As for the pran itself, the third level was not implemented before I quit, but at each stage the pran grows older. She starts as a ten or so year old girl, then at level two ages to about fourteen, fifteen, and at level three should end somewhere around sixteen or eighteen. The whole idea that someone is a child when they are seventeen and three hundred and sixty four days, but an adult when they are one day older and eighteen is a totally arbitrary idea anyways.
Getting to your numbers problems (I do not have children and cannot imagine your specific worries about them, as such this may sound insensative or offense):
1. People who rely on ratings when dealing with children are fools. Just look at the history of the movie and tv rating system in america. Back in the day even saying damn, or some minor kind of death (related to horror movies) would pretty much guarentee a movie a R rating. Now a days anything short of the F word, and as long as there is no explict sexual content will pass as pg-13. In regards to tv up until ten years ago you could barely swear at all, now if it is late enough 10pm you can get aways with saying the F world on cable tv.
My point is that ratings, and the systems that govern them change so if you want control over what your kid sees or does, check it out yourself.
As for innuendos I did not see how young you said your child was, but in my experience being ignorant of things generally causes more problems than being knowledgable about them.
As for the internet, if you believe that any part of the internet is safe and child appropriate I would say you have missed something along the way. I would go on to argue that the more safe you think a place might be, as do not know you so this is only a guess, such as typical childrens websites, like disney or whatever, will be even more likely to attract those undesierables. The place were children congregate tends to be where pedophiles also gather, parks, schools, etc... On the other hand a game that is fundamentally for hardcore pvp'ing does not lend much time to trolling for school children.
2. As I already mentioned above most of the conversation shots are shoulders and above. And just to clarify things a Pran is technically a fairy, and as long as something is not human, regardless of how it may appear (for purposes of age) it should not matter. Who knows how the internal structure of faries works? Maybe by age ten they have equal intelligence and mental exeperience to a twenty five year old adult. As for the purpose of a pran, rather than it being a "pet" it is more a companion that is always with you, cheering you on, helping you out. As I said before this is at its core a culture difference the very fact that you assumed it was a pet, rather than a companion shows where you draw your lines. By the way that was not ment to insult, but rather to point out the differences.
In closing I am not trying to convince you to play this game for yourself and your own enjoyment I understand that you seem to find it morally bankrupt. However if you were thinking of letting your child play it, rather than basing you ideas and conclusions on other peoples ideas and conclusions play for yourself a bit, understand the game, the idea behind it, and judge for yourself what you think.
As an aside when did it become okay for children to play games where death and killing has no consequence at all, but "sexual innuendos" are "oh my god" totally inappropriate. I am not saying either way is correct just that all of your issues with this game were regarding something of little consequence, a companion who comes along with you and makes soloing less boring. Rather than the giant realm versus realm battles that constantly engulf the game, and the dead bodies littering the high traffic battle areas, that are the dominate concept behind the game.
*Edited spelling errors
I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy, accompanied by an educational system which would be oriented toward social goals.
~Albert Einstein
I think this discussion will not end unless someone ends it. I can still argue with what you presented, and you weren't able to address many of the points that I mentioned earlier, either.
However, I don't think anyone will be convinced to believe the side of the other. So let's just finish this discussion as is. If there are people who believe that Aika is for pedophiles, or should have a mature rating, or whatever complaints, then fine. To those people like us who just play the game because it's fun and who are mature enough to not put dirty thoughts in any of the contents in Aika, then let's just play and enjoy the game.
Bottom line, we all have our own opinions. Some may be right, some may be wrong. But if it's really impossible to correct things or convince one side, then we should just end the discussion since it may result to flaming and attacking people. Peace out!
Played: Runescape, Adventure Quest
Currently playing: Aika Global, Atlantica Online
Waiting for: Cardmon Hero, Dynasty Warriors Online
The devs put the sexual innuendos into the conversations of the mature teen pran. It's not fair to blame players for picking up on those innuendos and making judgments about the game based on them. How each of us does judge the game by that content is indeed up to each of us.
I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy, accompanied by an educational system which would be oriented toward social goals.
~Albert Einstein
It depends really on how one understands it. Don't play it or don't recommend it if you think there's something wrong with the pet system. PVP environment feels great though. I can't argue with that
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