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Kinda upset ... (the FFXIV complaint list)
Omasu
Member Posts: 51
Please read this at your own risk; these opinions are purely my own, and they may be rather jaded due to a lifetime of mmos, gaming, and a slough of dead hookers.
Allow me to preface this by also saying that I have been anticipating this game, like many of you, for a very very long time ... and I know that I may be getting a lot of the following statements once publishing my thoughts thus far.
"It's only the beta and you're already ______"
"So leave then."
"Go play [insert historical mmo] if you feel that way." ... etc. etc.
I know the difference between bugs, server speeds, lags ... and game mechanics. My complains are with the game itself.
By now you can most likely tell that the tone of what is to come is nothing less than disappointment.
A few days ago I began the beta and I was immediately wowed. The cut-scenes, the detail, the music, the environments was purely breath taking and left me nothing less than awestruck.
Now, allow me to put the rest into bullet-points for easy digestion. I've made all attempts to not discuss the bugs that are bothering me. I'm confident those will be worked out. What I am discussing here is game mechanics primarily.
Once I began playing I found everything to be very slow-paced, but I thought to myself .... perhaps I'm just getting used to everything. Perhaps its server lag. Perhaps .... no.
A short while later I found myself done with 4 quests. Sweet. Moving right along here. Cool right ? WRONG. The game is pretty much done at this point unless you want to craft. I hope you enjoyed yourselves. Once you hit this brick wall it is boring ... and there is nothing to do. What does SE *INTEND* on you doing at this point ? Could they have possibly overlooked that you will have NOTHING to do ? You can grind if you can find a mob that is your level. Can you con the mob to see if its your level ? If you can I have no clue how.
There are not nearly enough mobs. Here is where you will say - well Omasu, all the beginning farm areas are being overpopulated blah blah ... bullshit. I walked for (again, not exaggerating) 15 / 20 mins and didn't see a single person or mob in some of the off-the-beaten-path areas.
Why do I need to stop running to unsheathe my weapon ? Its ******* annoying as ****.
Why does it not immediately respond when I do unsheathe my weapon ? Hit it twice on accident and you're screwed.
There are two kinds of mobs in this world at any given time .... the ones that you're too powerful for, and the ones that are too powerful for you. They do not scale up gradually whatsoever. A creature that hits for 30, sits within walking distance of creatures that hit for 1200. I am not exaggerating on this either.
Who's balls do I have to massage to get a new weapon ? Armor ? If you say I'm forced to craft (on any of these points) then I will slap you in the mouth.
Why doesn't the tab-targeting go to either A- the creature that is attacking you .... or B- the creature that is closest to you. Instead it goes in order of .... of ... threadcount for all I know. I'll just use the mouse .... easy unless you're playing a full-size race and attacking a small size creature. The auto-camera adjust keeps you right in front of it so you can't make that much needed click while a mob is lunching on you.
Why doesn't the mages targeting work more efficiently in times of AOE ? Why are you forced to hit spell, move your hand to the mouse, decide the area you want to hit, and then confirm the target ? I'm already targeting something. Pressing the action key should cast that spell. Done.
Heres a thought ... lets make it easier for PC's to get weapons / armor. How about we put them in the (archers, pugilist etc..) guild HQ ? As opposed to every noob walking in there thinking that there is something valuable to be learned, seen, or had. (myself included)
Why does it take so long to talk to vendors ? Why don't we know what they're selling before we waste 30 seconds a piece on them ?
Why does it take so long to sell things ?
Why can't I do multiple quests while I'm out ? This is a big one for me. You want me to have to walk ... back ... every ... single ... time. After the 4 quests that I had I needed a new pair of Nike Air Moogles. (this one may be possible to do somehow, but I didn't figure it out) I know you can teleport, but that is only half as good as it needs to be. It still does not compare to being able to check multiple quests.
Would it kill them to make the toons run a little faster ? Yes I know chocobos are planned. However, I think I may shoot myself at the thought of how long that process will take. Dismounting, unsheathing (and not being able to walk), walking up to the mob (if you're close range) and finally ... finally attacking.
Added: Kiting is impossible. In almost any mmo the UI and gameplay should support kiting. Not so much as a feature, but that is the type of controls that should be in a game of this genre.
Why don't the mobs drop gear ?
Why don't the mobs drop gear !?
Seriously ... why don't they drop gear ...
Its slow and boring (not the game in general, just the amount of content that is available so far (which I am assuming they will not change anytime soon)) ... and I'm sure most of that won't change. I'm not looking for halo speed, but somewhere between EQ2 and Warhammer would be nice. It appears as though everything has been purposely developed to prevent you from getting to be a grinder. Run out of quests ? Yeah, go craft something is not for me. The crafting system is dishonorable as well. "Lets make 10 bronze wires .... in order to make 1 bronze ring. Now, you need 10 bronze rings to make 1 chainmail sleeve. Now, you need 2 sleeves and a chestpiece to make 1 piece of armor." (I'm exaggerating slightly).
Again, perhaps I am jaded. I am a gamer in every sense of the word. I also got upset when I heard about the fatigue system, and perhaps this game just is not for my play-style. Perhaps I'm don't have a good enough understanding (as stated above) Let me beat you to it .... after all it is still the beta. I know, I know.
I originally thought to myself, there is nothing that would prevent me from playing this game. I was wrong. I cancelled my pre-order.
Feel free to add your thoughts. Or if anyone feels the same way about any of the bullets I have, just quote the bullet and say ^^ "THIS" agreeably.
note - I also posted this on a different FFXIV related forum in hopes that I would get some feedback to cure some of these woes. I'm really hoping I have not learned enough about this game in the 3 or 4 days I've been playing. I would rather someone say, here is how you do that OR here is how I get around being bored while advancing my toon .... so that I may enjoy this game like many of you.
note - the hype meter has went significantly down, I cannot be the only one with many of these thoughts.
Cheers.
Comments
I will comment on your mobs dropping gear question.
There are 8 classes built ENTIRELY around crafting ONLY. That is their life, as such, the games economy will be created by the players mobs drop materials, players make the gear
You dont have to walk back, last time i checked you teleport back after every quest... this isnt WoW quests spawn special mobs just for the quest you are on, so it makes no difference if you do one at a time or 4 at a time, you need to activate the quest to spawn the special mobs.
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I'm aware of this yes. Thanks for the response Desertt.
Perhaps I'm just too kill hungry. I like the random surprises of "wow look at the loot I just got."
Instead, I have to go "Hey, look at this item I just bought" makes me feel like keeping up with the Joneses I suppose.
You have WoW syndrome. That's all.
Its quite possible OmegaFlare.
However, I think its just called "Traditional MMO syndrome" when you've been playing them as long as I have.
You know while WoW has the highest subscription numbers there's way more than 12 million MMO players. Yeah, most may have played WoW at some point, but I wouldn't hesitate to assume most don't.
WoW is not an excuse for SE making a terrible game. There are many MMOs better than FF XIV, and that includes F2P ones. The only people to blame for FF XIV are SE.
This post highlights all of the issues I have had with this game and why I stopped playing in beta 2.
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I wouldn't say its terrible, I would just say it is not a game that was designed for typecasted "mmo gamers" in mind. I guess I just had really high hopes that this would be a traditional mmo, as there hasn't been one in a long time.
Warhammer I suppose was the last ? Citation ?
Yeah...i wouldn't call it WoW syndrome.....but it is a good name for it. Probably just not the type of game for you. If you didn't like FFXI then your not ging to like FFXIV
God forbid developers try something different. Terrible design choice. The last 1000 WoW clones that came out on the market are flourishing. /sarcasm off
Thanks for your response, albeit aggressively defensive. I assume you have played it and enjoyed it Jimmy ?
I love this game in all aspect but you made me laugh (OP). You write well and I found myself laughing about some of your combat discriptions. You are very right in how you described the game.
If I can only remind you, seeing how you have past experence in other MMO's, is the first 6 months of an MMO is very important. Don't make your decission about a game durring Open Beta phase. There are debuggers working over time in the background doing things with the servers to fix and change so much we dont see.
Remember SE has the budget to have coders and debuggers working overtime to tweak things and I'm possitive in 6 months this will all be a smoke trail thread.
Everyone needs to get off their high horse. FFXI is my favorite MMO of all time and I myself did not find FFXIV very enjoyable the first couple hours. I was very dissapointed with it.. I had to force myself to keep playing the game before I started to enjoy it. I don't expect anyone else to do that.
I do like this game but I find myself defending the people who do not because some of the comments of the fanboiz are just ridiculous. The couple posts above me also go on to prove my point.
Not liking this game is a perfectly vaild response and it has nothing to do with WoW.
1000 Wow clones?!
Name 3....
Child of the Stars
LOTR is one.
Other than its controls and actually having content, LotRO is nothing like WoW.
The closest game to a WoW clone is Allods, and that's about it.
Wow... the more complaining I hear about FFXIV, the more crazy i get about it. WHY COULDN'T I GET ONE FREAKING KEY?!?
I love how it isn't player friendly, it's trying to be very immersive, with less focus in freaking quests (I HATE QUESTS!!!) and more in the social/craft aspect of the game. I just hope they fix the mouse lag though.
Playing: Starcraft II.
Played: Tibia, Ragnarok Online, Ultima Online, Guild Wars, World of Warcraft.
Wanna play: Guild Wars 2, SW:TOR, Final Fantasy XIV, Diablo III.
Nope, it's your ignorance that assumes LOTR is a "WoW clone" nothing more.
FFXI was my first MMO and I enjoyed my time there. I moved on to EQ2 to play with some friends but then tried to return to FFXI later, but could not. I just could not get back into the game. For me, FFXIV is a return to my roots that I am hoping is slightly more friendly than FFXI was. My guess is this is the same feeling the OP gets when he compares FFXIV to traditional MMOs.
That being said, this has everything to do with WoW, as WoW is a traditional MMO.
I like that the player ecomnomy will be based on crafters and gatherers. A lot of other games had such great loot and quest rewards that it made crafting pointless.
However, the lack of quests in OB is making me nervous.
I have seen signs in game that more quests will be added. If you go to any of the guild halls there are people behind the counters asking if you want to join the guild, and asking if you want to trade in guild tokens. There are currently no options to join those guild or earn guild tokens, so this seems like somthing that might be implemented after release. Also the chocobo stablehands all say there aren't enough chocobos to rent out, this seems like an opening for a chocobo breeding quest.
I've seen people saying that they've read somewhere that many quests have been left out of OB and will be added at launch. I've been unable to find any official statements to this effect though. If anyone can post a lin to something about this I would appreciate it.
While I've said that it LOOKS like there is additional content not available right now, I'm by no means sure of it. This is making me worry about the game at launch, and reconsider my CE pre-order. SE has to know that what is currenly available, or perhaps unavailable in OB is making its fans concerned. An official statement that told us that there will be more at launch, even at the lower levels, would go a long way toward keeping all the pre-orders in place.
There's nothing sandbox about 14 and i wish people would stop saying that. It's as linear as any themepark with artificial barriers tossed in.
I agree with everything the OP stated except the mobs dropping gear bit. This game will be heavily based on crafting and a player run economy.
Problem is not many people will stay with a MMO for 6 months, mainly the fans will stick with it. From what I saw lately, if MMOs have a bad release, they never quite recover, in sub numbers I mean of course.
well good job reading and interpreting my post..../sarcasm off. I said, "If you DIDN'T like FFXI, then you won't like FFXIV." Not "if you liked FFXI you will like FFXIV." I also stated that I wouldn't call it WoW syndrome. It's not the game for the OP, he'll have to wait for TERA or GW2 or SWTOR, etc. etc. for the more traditional mmo....which IMO are dreadfully boring nowadays because I've playing them since EQ
+1000
I agree.
Myself I feel the game is lacking support to it's needless over complex systems. It's like a remote for your tv without any words to tell you what the buttons do. I'm sure it's more hardcore but doesn't make it any less retarded. I hope before the release they send some people to make a good wiki site. Marcos .. I hate marcos ... I'd love to see what the stats do in game. I'll deal but I can understand people problems with the game.