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Something current gen mmorpg players do not relize.
scythe99
Member Posts: 326
FF14 is sort of a blast from the past, its a mmo like what mmorpg's were before the mmorpg market killer(To many games are easy mode now because of WoW, wasn't the case before its release) world of warcraft was out. Most of the people bashing it are probally mmorpg players who were spoon fed by WoW and its cloned ilk and don't have any real clue what-so-ever of what a REAL mmorpg was about. Its one of the reasons I like it, it'll keep the "I want easymode" players out since its not easy enough for them to grasp. I played wow back at release and after a month or 2 I quit and never went back, I just found the game lacking in so many aspects compared to mmorpg's I was used to.
Anyway, FF14 is meant to not hold your hand, its meant for you to go out and try things on your own, just like FF11 was. If you can't handle this, may as well go back to wow, or whatever easy mode mmo you came from. Unlike Everquest 2, SE won't change FF14 to cater to wow players (in terms of where stuff is etc, and ease of finding things). Either suck it up and get used to using a wiki, or just leave, less lag and less whining for the rest of us who enjoy the game to deal with on forums.
If you can handle it well welcome 
"An MMORPG could be completely diffirent from WoW. Just look at games like Dofus, Wizard101 or EVE. But as it is, most of the Western MMOs are trying to succeed by out-WoWing WoW. It's like an army of 10 sports games made about same sports, and barely none about other sports. WoW clone is an accurate description of those games, it manages to convey much information with only two words."
-Poster on mmorpg.com
Rift: World of Warcraft clone #9321 Nothing special to see here move along.
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As an avid FFXIV player who has never seriously played any MMO before this, I'm not sure if your post is a good or bad thing.
How can you be an avid FFXIV player when the game isn't out yet?
You wanted my time, so I played you. You wanted my money, I forked it over. You wanted my soul, I gave it willingly. Not to complain... but when do I get my end of the deal? And no, I don't want your flippin' carrot. If you can't do that give me back my youth and keep the change. Why don't you try chasing your own damn carrot for a change? I'll gladly hold the stick.
Meh, FFXIV looks really, really boring. Say what you want about other areas of the game, a lot of your time in an MMO is going to be spent in combat. If combat isn't very interesting, it's not going to be very fun, and the combat in FFXIV looks downright dull, IMO.
Your post makes zero sense.
The majority of people that dislike this game are the older players. FFXIV is a blast from the past, has little content and is a grindfest in a game that cuts your xp for grinding.
People are sick of the same old crap. Only thing different about FFXIV is a crap ui and being able to mulit class which isnt anything new anyway.
People are sick of the same old crap, even more so when the game is a buggy, laggy content deviod mess.
Closed beta and open beta of course, and spending an immense amount of time researching crafting recipes and such.
I'd like to know this too. Regetable I didn't play much during CB/OB even though I had access, PC is to old and only got 5-10 fps average, but from what I seen and what friends told me, the game is like ff11 where you'll spend some time figuring the game out, which is something sorely lacking from most of the mmorpg's that have gotten puked out since wow. Exception to this being fallen earth.
Only thing I dislike in ff14 is how they seemed to have made crafting as annoying and time consuming as humanly possible, FF11 was bad but I hear this is much worse, since there isin't much you can make without switching to 2-3 other craft jobs or some such to raise skill on the one job.
"An MMORPG could be completely diffirent from WoW. Just look at games like Dofus, Wizard101 or EVE. But as it is, most of the Western MMOs are trying to succeed by out-WoWing WoW. It's like an army of 10 sports games made about same sports, and barely none about other sports. WoW clone is an accurate description of those games, it manages to convey much information with only two words."
-Poster on mmorpg.com
Rift: World of Warcraft clone #9321 Nothing special to see here move along.
I can already smell the "Broken ui is not hardmode" and "It doesn't make you think more, it makes you grind more."
But I agree with you!
EDIT: curse my slow typing someone already posted my quotes lol!
Taru-Gallante-Blood elf-Elysean-Kelari-Crime Fighting-Imperial Agent
*click me*
This part is so true, and pretty much sums up most of the mmorpg's released since wow:
"I personally have heard numerous designers and producers working on unreleased MMO projects describe their game in these terms: Its like WoW, but I just shake my head when I hear this, because the team that is best poised to deliver a successful game that is an evolution of WoW is well, the WoW team. Theyve got their thing, and theyre good at it. Lets all carve out our own thing, and be the best at it. Truly great games are made by passionate teams who are on fire with the notion of changing the industry. If you are aiming at a competitor rather than aiming to make something fresh and innovative, youve lost. "
"An MMORPG could be completely diffirent from WoW. Just look at games like Dofus, Wizard101 or EVE. But as it is, most of the Western MMOs are trying to succeed by out-WoWing WoW. It's like an army of 10 sports games made about same sports, and barely none about other sports. WoW clone is an accurate description of those games, it manages to convey much information with only two words."
-Poster on mmorpg.com
Rift: World of Warcraft clone #9321 Nothing special to see here move along.
I don't even get what you're saying here. Its jusy more mindless WOW bashing. Give it a rest. Its played out.
Pretty supportive of FFXIV, really, in that he says you only really need about 150k subscribers to be successful (FFXIV already has that many pre-orders of the collector's edition alone), that you can't make a better WoW on a quarter of the budget, and that you should do wierd and difficult things.
Anywho, on-topic, yeah it's pretty much like this:
WoW brought a ton more players into playing MMORPGs who never played one before.
People who played nothing but WoW and the procession of WoW clones that follow expect Final Fantasy XIV to play like WoW: super casual friendly, quests pointing you everywhere you need to go, etc.
Final Fantasy XIV isn't based off WoW, it's based off of Final Fantasy XI. It's deliberately doing something different than World of Warcraft, it's for players who savor exploring a world, who want less handouts and obvious clues where they need to go.
Thus, Final Fantasy XIV does not meet the expectations of people who are used to a WoW-like approach. This is not a bad design, just differrent but good luck explaining that to the majority of MMORPG players because it's not like they've the experience to recognize this when they see it.
No doubt, upon reading the above, sophmorism will kick in and they'll be happy to tell us how it has a bunch of little obvious faults that cannot be justified, completely ignorant that most of these faults have already been recognized by the developers with fixes on the way because, after all, it's natural for an MMORPG to improve over time.
At the end of the day, no game is for everyone, and if you've played Final Fantasy XIV and deduced this is the case, I won't hold it against you if you decide to play something else. I will, however, hold it against you if you think we should hate the game when we don't, because that same kind of overbearing ignorance has sparked genocide in the past.
For the rest of us, Final Fantasy XI was fabulous, but like most MMORPGs it was not incredibly polished on release. I didn't get very deep into Final Fantasy XI and always regretted not getting in on the ground floor. I'm not looking to repeat that mistake again, and feel sorry for any poor schmuck who believes a negative open beta preview for missing this opportunity.
Actually FF XIV is extreme easy mode, so you might as well drop the elitism. Its bascially see a mob and kill it. That is zero depth. It even shows you where things are going to spawn, which are also just for you and you alone. There is absolutly nothing hard or difficult about FF XIV.
Now I have bitter memories of nearly smashing my keyboard after losing 50k gil trying to make my first cotton cowl, but it makes for a more interesting economy. People have to specialize, be prepared to grind for hours on local guildleves and do their wiki research ahead of time if they want to make ANYTHING useful in this game. This means that the people who do manage to make higher end weapons can make a fortune selling to players with more gil than they know what to do with.
As for the rest... well, you learn to manage. :-P
People like you piss me off. Stop using your computer, modern medicine, guns, go back to hunting and gathering with sticks and stones, because you can't comprehend the idea of progress.
I hope the FFXIV community is not full of asinine hats like you.
Sadly, its looking like its heading that way. Deluded fanbois, who think a cut down MMO is something difficult, while insulting others. Nope, its just shallow, with not much to do. Having to grind does not make something difficult. It just means one is easily entertained.
I've also never seen a group of people so obsessed with WoW, at least outside of those who actually play it (which I don't).
Do you even have a clue? I've been playing MMO since Meridian 59 and FF14 is not a blast of a past. It's just standard Asian Crap that been comming out last 10years. Zero Content, all Grind, Diablo Clone.
EQ1 had More content in the newbie zone then this game has and probably ever will. It's a GRIND FEST and that's all it is. It's probably in my minda the worst game that come out in last 20y, and i've played everything. Shadowbane didn't ahve a lot of content but at least it had 100X more then this game does. Oh and was also 100x more fun.
Some of us have already been playing for months. Some of us have even dropped $1,000+ for this game. I'm sure that qualifies.
Not just another river in Egypt.
That you're here, on the Final Fantasy XIV boards, trying to tell us that we can't like the game that we do, more or less robs you of whatever justification you have.
I'll say it again, slowly: Not Every Game Is For Everyone.
We're not being fanboys, to the right player, this game is every bit as good as we say it is.
Man, what is it about MMORPGs? If this were a book or a movie, I liked it, and you didn't, we'd chalk it up to subjective opinon. Like it or not, the same principle applies here. I swear, this kind of butting of heads is one of the reasons the label "gamer" carries such a negative stigma.
The single best thing about FFXIV is all of the people who I know won't be playing it.
I know that is what I'm looking forward to the most. The community certainly has its moments, FFXI sure did, but it is devoid of so many of who have become the stereotypical MMO fanbase as of late.
http://xivpads.com/?1595680
http://guildwork.com/users/murugan
Anywho, on-topic, yeah it's pretty much like this:
No doubt, upon reading the above, sophmorism will kick in and they'll be happy to tell us how it has a bunch of little obvious faults that cannot be justified completely ignorant that most of these faults have already been recognized by the developers with fixes on the way because, after all, it's natural for an MMORPG to improve over time.
At the end of the day, no game is for everyone, and if you've played Final Fantasy XIV and deduced this is the case, I won't hold it against you if you decide to play something else. I will, however, hold it against you if you think we should hate the game when we don't, because that same kind of overbearing ignorance has sparked genocide in the past.
For the rest of us, Final Fantasy XI was fabulous, but like most MMORPGs it was not incredibly polished on release. I didn't get very deep into Final Fantasy XI and always regretted not getting in on the ground floor. I'm not looking to repeat that mistake again, and feel sorry for any poor schmuck who believes a negative open beta preview for missing this opportunity.
Your post is an insult for the future of MMOs.
there is
1) You do not know much about MMOs
2) You earn money with supporting weak MMOgames
This site is not exactly a WoW fansite. Many of the visitors are survivors of WoW or don´t want to play it at all. People here are often looking for a different experience. Since the different experiences were unfinished, many people here are looking fore different and finished experiences.
No more "There will be"
And this is my opinion.
"see a mob and kill it"
Considering that 98% of the mobs in the game will annihilate you with that simple tactic, you're going to need a hell of a lot of strategy to get anywhere in this game. The enemies in last generation MMOs often follow a simple pattern of "get to this level, get this tier equipment, and use EXACTLY THESE ABILITIES in EXACTLY THIS ORDER" in order to guarantee victory in combat. The massive popularity of old-school walkthrough sites like Tankspot are evidence of this fact. On the other hand, the entire battle dynamics of FFXIV can change based on a single spell miss, a single piece of broken equipment, or accidentally aggroing an unexpected mob. Players may suddenly find themselves on the verge of death with no means to have prevented it, and they need to have the skills and abilities to react in time. Crafting can be equally challenging, as players must be willing to risk potentially losing an enormous amount of gil creating higher quality materials, and they must be willing to change their synthesis strategy based on a surprise elemental instability or repeated failure rates.
Simply put, FFXIV is challenging as hell and your arguments show you probably haven't played the game too seriously.
Seriously you aren't doing the FF XIV community any favours with that attitude. It just puts out the wrong signals.
Actually most mobs in the game will annihalate you simply because they are higher level. Sounds like you need to get a wider understanding of MMOs, especially one's that aren't simply tank and spank.
The combat system is no more complex than the majority of MMOs.
Except that most people will be fighting higher level mobs through groups meaning that they actually do have to take into account individual mob strategies.
Only those fighting low blues can ignore mob specials etc., especially once you get much past rank 20.
I also stand by my previous statement, it does service to the community I want to be a part of. I don't care about elitism/exclusivity but I do care about not changing a game/community to cater to those types while at the same time making it less appealing to myself and others. They have plenty of games to flock to specifically designed with them in mind, all we have are 8 year old+ ones with declining populations, outdated graphics, and severe limitations on their designs.
http://xivpads.com/?1595680
http://guildwork.com/users/murugan
I'm sorry but to be fair ffxi had more endgame content than any mmo out there. More diverse than just raid.