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Game is bad
Cothor
Member UncommonPosts: 174
Pros
-Decent Graphics, nothing groundbreaking. Every other major mmo tilte literally does everything else better.
Cons
-Clunky UI with 2-3 second lag while trying to open new windows. Just bad.
-Tutorial for the game was pretty aweful. There are so many basic questions left to be answered about the game right from the get go. I can see most players becoming very frustrated from the start.
-No titles on NPCs so you know who you are dealing with. You have to run around until you memorize them all, listening to their unoriginal stories or 2 cents.
-Worst map/mini map in any mmorpg to date. The main map does not move as you move.
-Chat system makes it almost impossible to get something going unless you moved to the game with a guild
-Combat is very clunky and targeting a mob can sometimes make you want to punch yourself in the face
I can name a million other things I dislike, but I know they have been listed by thousands of others, I just need to vent.
I am offended that this game was released as it is. But, they got my money, so they win. Lesson learned.
Comments
I'm beginning to agree. After defending a "wait and see; give it your best shot" attitude, I'm quickly losing any enthusiasm for the game.
The results of the finished product are the sum of the game being rushed, plus deeply flawed game design in almost every aspect of the game.
Everyone is different. Like most MMOs, even the really bad ones, there will often be a core of people who like it. However, there are so many hurdles to overcome here, it's hard to imagine that there will be many people who will be left standing at the end of the gauntlet.
I'm intelligent and educated, with many years and play hours spent in many different MMOs, but this game has to be one of the most complicated, fun killing titles I've ever played. Being a successful crafter requires more than spread sheets, it requires flow charts. With repair costs so high post level 10, I don't see how anyone who isn't a successful crafter will be able to sustain themselves financially for very long. Of course, crafters need people with money to thrive and I just don't see enough money in the economy to sustain anything.
I think well managed "Companies" (clans/guilds) might be successful here, so the game might appeal to some of the same people who love running corporations in Eve, but for most people, that's going to be too much like a real world job to play for fun.
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Nothing new here I haven't heard already, so I'll just say, "another one hits the game's barrier of entry."
Looks the playerbase is going to be made up entirely of players who have the patience to perservere past the first impression; those who can tolerate a game that involves investing a bit of effort to play.
The idea has a certain appeal to it.
I see what you are saying, and I know that it sounds like a good excuse, but the reality is that it has nothing to do with patience. The game feels pointless and mildly depressing right from the start, just like Mortal Online. It is a bad game. The only possible way to feel like it is not a bad game, is for this to be your first mmorpg. 5-10+ year vets are not going to tolerate this garbage.
You're going to hae to give me something more substantial than your feeling about the game and the initiial hurdles we've all been through for me to lend much credibility to the idea "game = bad."
I've played several dozen MMORPGs, I'm a 25+ year gaming veteran, and I don't feel it's a bad game, quite tolerable.
So I'm inclined to believe you're exaggerating just a bit. At the very least, you may well believe what you're saying, but you're making assumptions for the rest of us which are, in cases, not true.
Personally, I could have told you which way Mortal Online was going to go without even playing the game. The features list alone with a whole lot of nothing and it was being made by newbies. Final Fantasy XIV is a whole other scenario.
Your right man i'm a 9 year vet of mmorpg i played this game in beta testing 2 back in july it was sooo bad i knew nothing they could do from july to release could fix it they should have added another 6 months on to it . I like all mmorpg i just to be unique in class from the person next to me and lots to do that can improve my character and not inconvenience me as a player. What makes it really bad is that people defend this game even when the beta was out now CE came out and nothings change what mmorpg game you know release the game in one week from beta and did insane changes to improve the game just doesn't happen. After FF12 SE will never get another dime from me and this just adds icing on the cake if you love this game more power to me but this has to be a worse release then age of conan.
Games should be FUN. You can tolerate minor problems if overall feeling is that you are having fun. If you need to 'have the patience to perservere past the first impression' - something is wrong.
Yeah, that does sound pretty appealing. It's almost as if the game has a built in ADD test. I wonder if they built it that way on purpose.
If you find yourself throwing your keyboard out the window because you can't find the right person to talk to to advance in the tutorial because you MUST XP MUST GET MAX LEVEL MUST GRIND IN ALTERIC VALLEY ASAP, then maybe this game isn't the one for you and you should just move on.
We've got plenty of people in game already. I know at least one server (mine) has been closed to new characters because it's too full.
Games should be FUN. You can tolerate minor problems if overall feeling is that you are having fun. If you need to 'have the patience to perservere past the first impression' - something is wrong.
I didn't require any patience to get through and enjoy the tutorial, nor get into crafting, get into my linkshell, or progress in my various classes. I enjoyed the awesome scenary as I went and wasn't worried about leveling. I'm sure there's some really cool things as the game progresses (I've heard of more story quests at 10 and a supposedly awesome one at 20), but I'm not in a rush to blow through content. The world is beutiful and immersive and the in-game community is fantastic.
I think what geldonyetich means is, "Can you play the game on it's own terms and play it for what it is?" If you just want to solo-quest, bumping between exclamation marks and question marks and being led through the whole thing, then you're going to be surprised because this game is different. And thank God I was getting so sick of playing the same formula over and over.
When your right, your right. Its already started too, you can hear it in the linkshell chats or on the vent, that one or two select people who get frustrated from wrong assumptions or just not getting it. They start going off the deep-end on every little detail of everything.
Some of them are quite humerous too, like the 'I hate these damn bugged levequests!' where you ask them whats bugged and they come back with 'mobs never pop in the circle like they are supposed to!'. I love those, especially when you ask them the mob name and then you reply back and tell them to head south and enter the cave under them.
The 'OMG that node never works, this game freaking sucks' people, who walk up to the land spearfishing node and try to harvest it with thier scythe. I love just sitting down and watching sometimes how many people 'get it' and how many give up trying and just walk away mumbling to themselves.
So many in this game, and on these very forums, they just dont have the 'patience to perservere' and quite honestly I think they feel offended that its become so obvious for everyone else to see it. So yeah, the idea has a certain appeal to it, a game that by design weeds out the people who dont like to try or become frustrated, angry, hateful, and unsociable at the little things.
(DISCLAIMER - The use of the word YOU in the above post is not directed at any one person in particular, but towards those who fall into the category itself - there is no personal attack here, neither intentional nor implied.)
You guys are happy that people are getting frustrated?
That seems like such a strange thing to be happy about.
You know if the servers all are full like this. What happens on the 1st or whenever it's due to come out to the general public and the pop at least triples in size? I sense the need for more servers if they're all full now.
I'm just worried they may not have enough places to put people. This isn't meant to make SE look bad in anyway, in fact it's to make them look good by wondering if they under estimated the population amount they would get from CEs and then release.
i haven't seen the servers themselves so i don't know if this is boosting but i don't see the point in saying the servers are full if they're are not. That would only cause people to not join due to worry about not getting in.
Help me Bioware, you're my only hope.
Is ToR going to be good? Dude it's Bioware making a freaking star wars game, all signs point to awesome. -G4tv MMo report.
I don't want to play with people that get angerly frustrated at this game. They have their own game to play it's called WoW. Let them play it.
This quote from the first page sums it up:
a game that by design weeds out the people who dont like to try or become frustrated, angry, hateful, and unsociable at the little things.
These kind of people are a major drag. I love that currently they're being relegated to message boards. The in-game community is so nice and helpful and just chill. They, like me, enjoy learning new things and exploring this brand new intricate virtual world.
The most immersive-sapping thing is when some guy is ranting and raving and cursing about not knowing something simple. I love sharing knowledge and helping people, but there is some serious ANGER about this game. I don't know exactly where it's coming from but it's disturbing.
And play it they will.
No doubt. Servers are filling up all over the place we don't need nor want them. Win/win for all involved.
You see, now thats the thing isnt it. Fun, I'm having a blast playing this game, sure most of it is observing the people who are...welll how to say it nice...simple.
Seriously, if you decide your going to grind on sheep, and you are in the same spot on the map for 4 hours, and EVERY time you try to go up one hill you go the wrong way first, then double back to hit the path... And I mean every damn time, for hours - thats like 30+ times in a row, same spot, same mistake. And then you let out a /shout of how you hate the terrain in this freaking game!! Yeah, that really was my character laughing his ass off in game standing next to you when you got pissed off at your own 'simplicity'. :P
Point is, this game is all about socialization and having fun working together, on the journey. And every person who gets that is really having fun in this game, right now. If you want it all, right now, instant gratification, reward at every step, a power push to cap so you can farm the 'best mobs' for the 'best gear and moneyz' so you can own allll peoplez, well....dont get affended when you hear my character laugh at your obvious dismay too, after all, I'm just having my fun.
(DISCLAIMER - The use of the word YOU in the above post is not directed at any one person in particular, but towards those who fall into the category itself - there is no personal attack here, neither intentional nor implied.)
The guy above you was saying that he was laughing at other people getting frustrated and that he was happy that he didn't have to play with them. It doesn't sound THAT chill. But whatever. I'm sure the community is like you and they "enjoy learning new things and exploring this brand new intricate virtual world."
I mean, that last sentence doesn't sound like you are trying to sell anything.
Hey, I'm just telling you how I feel. This is the first game where crafting REALLY matters. The graphics are amazing. There's tons of little touches like your bags moving as you move and revolutionary lighting to make it look just that more real. We make and use everything for ourselves. Adventurers and crafters are symbiotic as the crafters need the crystals and the adventurers need the gear. I'm not sure what more you want out of a virtual RPG world. I really am in love with this game it's the coolest online game I've ever encountered.
As for the other bit, I personally don't enjoy laughing at other people, but it is kind of amusing to see people get SO upset at such simple things. I've never encountered such animosity for a new game like I have this one. It's like people think this game is hurting them or something.
But really I think the poster you mentioned has hit the same point I have. There's only so much arguing or explaining you can do with an angry wall until you just have to laugh.
My problems with FFXIV are very, very simple. Keep in mind I'm speaking from a Beta point of view, the game is subject to change over time.
It's directionless, boring and just doesn't feel innovative at all.
Allow me to elaborate. By directionless I mean as a Beta tester, it took me a good twenty minutes just to figure out how to leave the first city. Even during the tutorial I got lost and ended up warping around. I had missed the NPC admittedly, mostly because people decided to stand on/around it as well as everywhere else in the 'zone'. There really should be something to make them stick out more.
By Boring I mean that I don't get a real exciting feel while playing the game... it's do this, do that, without much 'WHOA' for my time spent. Honestly, there is no MMO that's nailed this for me, so while my opinion has some validity, it has no weight.
Now I -know- someone's going to hit me for this one, but I find nothing innovative about this game. By innovative I mean I see nothing really 'new' that sticks out. Sure, there's some deviations from FFXI that's pretty interesting from that perspective, but after chewing through so many MMO's and just getting flat out bored with them, these minor differences just aren't enough. The game as far as gameplay is easy in my opinion, I dare say even too easy, there's just nothing really attractive unless you're a fan of FFXI (or of the one that contained the skill based system).
Things like the UI that other people complain about... honestly I find the UI itself to be fine. It's not all that complex, though the delay on it is annoying and you in no way should need a technically unauthorized patch to fix it, but that little problem wont count as far as me deciding not to play the game. It (should) might be fixed eventually legitimately. If only my 360 controllers had a wireless receiver...
All in all, FFXIV can appeal to some people, and obviously does not appeal to me. Maybe after it launches its first expansion it'll start being more eye catching... then again, we might be proccupied with some other MMO.
P.S. If you're just trying to escape WoW, go for it. Anything is better than that old and busted horse.
No, not happy people are getting frustrated, I still go out of my way to help where and when I can if I see someone getting frustrated. But you know, some people, they dont even want your help. They already KNOW they hate the game and thats the why behind thier frustration. So why try and force them to like it? If they aren't happy playing the game as it is, well hell stop playing it! It's a game, just a game. Oh and yeah from the last week of play, I can say with pretty good certainty, that once these people who hate the game leave, it makes the game that much more pleasant. If for nothing more than a few more minutes of peace each day not having to listen to every other comment 'I hate this!' or 'This game sucks because I cant!'.
You honestly think we should be unhappy because they are unhappy? Or should we just be unhappy if they leave, when thats all they really want to do anyway. Trust me, the people who get frustrated and accept the help aren't frustrated for long. And they are usually the happiest people around in just a few days. Those that have a genuine desire to play the game and just hit some roadblocks are NOT the people we are happy to see leave.
(DISCLAIMER - The use of the word YOU in the above post is not directed at any one person in particular, but towards those who fall into the category itself - there is no personal attack here, neither intentional nor implied.)
Sounds like you're having fun. Good deal.
Now this is a good way to write up a post saying you don't care for the game, they got their point out and did so in a calm cool and collected manner. I can see the points and be okay with that. Game isn't for everyone and thats okay. No ranting no raving, no saying the game sucks. Just to the point. +1 to you poster for going about it the right way.
Help me Bioware, you're my only hope.
Is ToR going to be good? Dude it's Bioware making a freaking star wars game, all signs point to awesome. -G4tv MMo report.
Exactly, oh and I shake my head from side to sie alot too in amazement. But yeah....wall...not worth the trouble anymore, finding the humor in the situation, thats worth the effort though.
(DISCLAIMER - The use of the word YOU in the above post is not directed at any one person in particular, but towards those who fall into the category itself - there is no personal attack here, neither intentional nor implied.)
most awesome about this: people that post here who won't pla y it or anymore won't be there.
now as said before from other ppl: this game demands and does not give you anything for free. for the most ppl this will be absolutely crap and they won't play it. but there are people out there that want this kind of game. you don't like it? fine you post here to tell us about that? fine too. Hope for the disapointed people that SWTOR or GW2 will make up for that. other than that: we've heard enough how much this game sucks. no need to say it again.
Oh but please stop the ADD refference. I actually have ADD in a hypoactive version. ADD not emans exactly low patience on thing in general. Actually it is way more complex. If you like I explain it closer over personal message.
Ther eis a difference between ADD or just being a bad brat for example.
I am a class A fanboi. The only reason I'm here is because the servers are currently down for emergency maintenence lol.
If what you say here was true, I would have to rethink the way I approach commenting on the game. But it's not true.
First of all you're saying the game is poorly made as if that's a fact. I think the game is really well made and am amazed at the amount of Up-Time the game has had since the CE access started, probably the most of any new MMORPG in history.
Perhaps there was as much animosity towards AOC as there is currently to this one, but that game clearly wasn't finished. That is interesting to think about though- both were cutting edge graphics-wise. Maybe that is fueling some of the hatred.
I'm used to people bashing games on message boards but what has been happening I find quite extroidinary, especially when in-game the general consensus is so polar opposite from message boards.
Btw, I'm not a fan because the game is Final Fantasy (although I did enjoy FFXI and most of the solo games). I'm a fan because of the complex interconnectedness between all jobs and crafts. There has never been a game that promotes more interaction and socializing than this game. Plus it looks friggin awesome.
As a matter of fact, I think the game would be being received much better if it WASN'T called Final Fantasy. It's hard to imagine but if this game came out of nowhere, looked the way it did, and played the way it did, I think it would be (rightly) described as revolutionary. The Final Fantasy name, at least in NA, carries with it a certain amount of negative baggage.
I don't think negative opinions are worthless, I just think they're being totally overblown, and usually in an unusually acridic way.
Sorry I didn't mean to offend. Sure, clue me in over PM. Really I'm just jealous because I don't get good stimulants
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