For those outside the UK, the Daily Mail is infamous for deliberately trying to make their readers angry at something and throw the blame around. As another poster pointed out, the mother conceded that the child may have kicked the dog, so I seriously doubt the parents or any of those involved actually hold the game responsible to the degree that the article suggests... it's all too easy for the media to put their own spin on a story. They're just trying to provoke a reaction.
Their vendetta against video games is truly frustrating though.
that makes alot of sense then. so the dog got put down for a little girl who "may have kicked it" thats really sad. cause if she may have kicked it, that means no one was watching, and that means she may have done alot more.
Guess who is responsible for most if not all dog attacks?
That's right, the owners.
Dogs require a strict hierarchy and lots of care, including long walks and exercise each and every day.
The fact that the girl may have been harming the animal too is simply an act of neglect so bad that the family should be barred from ever having a dog again.
They're totally justified. I had a similar problem with my room mate playing Left 4 Dead, the zombie groaning made all the zombies we keep in our backyard go into a killing frenzy. No fatalities but alot of property damage.
You just caused me to spit Diet Mt Dew all over my monitor at work. I'm going to be fired for sure.
I dont blame the dog one bit. Nintendogs pisses me off too. Your going to play with a damn digital dog, when you have a real attention starved dog right there? It like those losers who play EA sports games when they own a damn football and can just go outside with it and do the real thing. If i could go outside and engage in swordplay without the cops showing up and hauling me off, your damn right i'd be out there having some fun with blades and armour(im not suicidal) but i cant so i have to play the video game version instead. Sports gamers and nintendog players have no such excuse. Same with farmville players, could be out planting a garden in a flower bed, or backyard but instead there on the computer simulating growing crap. I hope a pack of rabid mastiff's maul these people to death while there sitting on the toilet. /end rant (for now).
You make good points. Why the hell isn't the family encouraging the child to play with the family dog and not a virtual pet. Then again..a nintendog won't eat your face. In Madden you can't suffer a concussion. In fantasy games though it is better to be able to draw blood.These are not good points on my behalf however...because soon we're going to have a generation of pasty..over wieght homeschooled (or no-schooled) shut ins who live entirely in a virtual world. ..mumbling in some semi-literate text-speak ....too afraid to even pull back the window shade.
Why the hell would you keep a monster in the house in the first place??
That's not fair. Most people have no idea what there spouse will turn into after marriage.
Well, on a more serious note. Its not a monster, its a dog. Dog's are often allowed in homes. As it turns out large dogs are actually pretty good at guarding homes traditionally. Guarding a home from outside is possible, but tends to be less effective when the invader is already inside.
Given the kind of damage i used to cause other kids when i was a youngster, i would have been put down if we applied the same standards. It isnt as though dogs are naturally given to assaulting people, but even they have bad days. It is just a shame to me that they chose to kill the dog over this. Do we expect other dogs to take note? What the hell use does it serve? Im not saying we give animals rights and the same considerations as humans(im not some peta whacko here), but condemning an animal to death for one action which was probably caused by accidental confusion and not knowing its own strength and potential for harm just seems wrong. That would be like putting a 5 yr old to death because it punched another kid. Hell we dont even do that when the kid goes after another kid with a knife. I guess i just have a little more respect for life than to see it as something to toss away casually because its inconvenient, just because it isnt my own.
I'm sorry, but do you own a dog? Or even a parent? I own a shepard/wolf hybrid. Best dog in the world. That dog bite my either of my children, I'm taking him out back and putting him down, probably snapping his fucking neck by the time I get out the door if it is that serious. I'll bury him myself and shed a few tears for the great joys he has given my family.
Dogs don't bite children. Its simple. Every dog knows that. You take your child to a friends house that has dogs and they don't have children, you hold them, especially if the child itself is used to dogs. Then again, the dog was around children. It snapped. It happens, but when its against a child, is a whole new ballgame. Same reason why my dog when we play wil jump on me, draw a bit of blood on my arms via tearing vice my arm towards or out(from me or him) and basically try to be the Alpha towards me. When my child comes up to him, pulls his tail, jumps on him, pokes him in the eye or falls on him, he may grumble and get up or stay and take his child thrashing with a smile on his face.
Why the hell would you keep a monster in the house in the first place??
That's not fair. Most people have no idea what there spouse will turn into after marriage.
Well, on a more serious note. Its not a monster, its a dog. Dog's are often allowed in homes. As it turns out large dogs are actually pretty good at guarding homes traditionally. Guarding a home from outside is possible, but tends to be less effective when the invader is already inside.
Given the kind of damage i used to cause other kids when i was a youngster, i would have been put down if we applied the same standards. It isnt as though dogs are naturally given to assaulting people, but even they have bad days. It is just a shame to me that they chose to kill the dog over this. Do we expect other dogs to take note? What the hell use does it serve? Im not saying we give animals rights and the same considerations as humans(im not some peta whacko here), but condemning an animal to death for one action which was probably caused by accidental confusion and not knowing its own strength and potential for harm just seems wrong. That would be like putting a 5 yr old to death because it punched another kid. Hell we dont even do that when the kid goes after another kid with a knife. I guess i just have a little more respect for life than to see it as something to toss away casually because its inconvenient, just because it isnt my own.
I'm sorry, but do you own a dog? Or even a parent? I own a shepard/wolf hybrid. Best dog in the world. That dog bite my either of my children, I'm taking him out back and putting him down, probably snapping his fucking neck by the time I get out the door if it is that serious. I'll bury him myself and shed a few tears for the great joys he has given my family.
Dogs don't bite children. Its simple. Every dog knows that. You take your child to a friends house that has dogs and they don't have children, you hold them, especially if the child itself is used to dogs. Then again, the dog was around children. It snapped. It happens, but when its against a child, is a whole new ballgame. Same reason why my dog when we play wil jump on me, draw a bit of blood on my arms via tearing vice my arm towards or out(from me or him) and basically try to be the Alpha towards me. When my child comes up to him, pulls his tail, jumps on him, pokes him in the eye or falls on him, he may grumble and get up or stay and take his child thrashing with a smile on his face.
Wher can I get a license to own a parent? Might be kinda fun.
-Letting Derek Smart work on your game is like letting Osama bin Laden work in the White House. Something will burn.- -And on the 8th day, man created God.-
I'm sorry, but do you own a dog? Or even a parent? I own a shepard/wolf hybrid. Best dog in the world. That dog bite my either of my children, I'm taking him out back and putting him down, probably snapping his fucking neck by the time I get out the door if it is that serious. I'll bury him myself and shed a few tears for the great joys he has given my family.
Dogs don't bite children. Its simple. Every dog knows that. You take your child to a friends house that has dogs and they don't have children, you hold them, especially if the child itself is used to dogs. Then again, the dog was around children. It snapped. It happens, but when its against a child, is a whole new ballgame. Same reason why my dog when we play wil jump on me, draw a bit of blood on my arms via tearing vice my arm towards or out(from me or him) and basically try to be the Alpha towards me. When my child comes up to him, pulls his tail, jumps on him, pokes him in the eye or falls on him, he may grumble and get up or stay and take his child thrashing with a smile on his face.
I'm not going to tell you how to raise your children, that's not my place, but no animal should have to suffer through abuse from anyone. And yes, IMO pokes in the eye, jumping on the dog and tail pulling is abuse.
As to the part I marked in red, dogs only know what they've been taught. Even if they know not to harm the owner's child, that doesn't mean they wont attack another child if they feel threatened, or think that the other child is threatening thier human. Animals do not have common sense, they only have instincts.
It all comes down to proper training, both of animals and children. If someone isn't willing to instruct thier children in how to treat animals, then they shouldn't have animals, simple as that.
If someone isn't willing to instruct their children in how to treat animals, they shouldn't have children in the first place, let alone animals.
-Letting Derek Smart work on your game is like letting Osama bin Laden work in the White House. Something will burn.- -And on the 8th day, man created God.-
I'm sorry, but do you own a dog? Or even a parent? I own a shepard/wolf hybrid. Best dog in the world. That dog bite my either of my children, I'm taking him out back and putting him down, probably snapping his fucking neck by the time I get out the door if it is that serious. I'll bury him myself and shed a few tears for the great joys he has given my family.
Dogs don't bite children. Its simple. Every dog knows that. You take your child to a friends house that has dogs and they don't have children, you hold them, especially if the child itself is used to dogs. Then again, the dog was around children. It snapped. It happens, but when its against a child, is a whole new ballgame. Same reason why my dog when we play wil jump on me, draw a bit of blood on my arms via tearing vice my arm towards or out(from me or him) and basically try to be the Alpha towards me. When my child comes up to him, pulls his tail, jumps on him, pokes him in the eye or falls on him, he may grumble and get up or stay and take his child thrashing with a smile on his face.
I'm not going to tell you how to raise your children, that's not my place, but no animal should have to suffer through abuse from anyone. And yes, IMO pokes in the eye, jumping on the dog and tail pulling is abuse.
As to the part I marked in red, dogs only know what they've been taught. Even if they know not to harm the owner's child, that doesn't mean they wont attack another child if they feel threatened, or think that the other child is threatening thier human. Animals do not have common sense, they only have instincts.
It all comes down to proper training, both of animals and children. If someone isn't willing to instruct thier children in how to treat animals, then they shouldn't have animals, simple as that.
I'm going to assume, by your context you think I meant my 3 year old and 1 year old go around and just poke my dog in the eye and pull his tail viciously. Sure that would consititue animal abuse, but you obviously don't have children nor a family dog and understand what kids will put a dog through. Because if you did, you would understand the context of what I said. That isn't the case. Kids grab a dogs tail, duh. Petting and grabbing at their face results in an eye poke. And if my beast of a dog is lying on the ground the kids are going to be on top of him sometimes bouncing on him. If he doesn't like it, then he will go upstairs and lay on my bed. There is a reason why I like BIG fucking dogs, you'd never see me with with a piece of shit little dog. Maybe people don't understand what kind of play an adult and dog do if they are rough. What my kids do pales in comparison to what I do to him when we are playing.
Again, the owners had children. Your right for all I know, they trained the dog to dog fight, which would explain the lashing out. But as a dog owner and parent, I can for sure not relate to my dog ever lashing out. He doesn't nip nor bite, then again i also trained him to handle children from the day I got him(My 3year old wasn't born yet, but my wife was pregnant) and put him through a solid cycle of startling him, and other things little ones will do on accident to see how he reacted. Do most parents I know own dogs do that, nope. They are lazy.
Now, I did take in a rescue dog and it lashed at my son two days after I got it. Did I put it down? No, I took it back where I got it(mind you I spent 200bucks at a Vet the day before since it had an ear infection) and informed them he isn't good around children. I should rephrase my statement, family dogs know not to bite children. (Obviously guard dogs, etc are trained for a purpose)
I would just like to poin out that this is an article in the Daily Mail. Getting your information from that paper is like getting all your medical advice from a homeopath.
Here is a list of carcinogens according to said rag. They do not just print half truths and nonsense, but dangerous lies as well.
Why the hell would you keep a monster in the house in the first place??
That's not fair. Most people have no idea what there spouse will turn into after marriage.
Well, on a more serious note. Its not a monster, its a dog. Dog's are often allowed in homes. As it turns out large dogs are actually pretty good at guarding homes traditionally. Guarding a home from outside is possible, but tends to be less effective when the invader is already inside.
Given the kind of damage i used to cause other kids when i was a youngster, i would have been put down if we applied the same standards. It isnt as though dogs are naturally given to assaulting people, but even they have bad days. It is just a shame to me that they chose to kill the dog over this. Do we expect other dogs to take note? What the hell use does it serve? Im not saying we give animals rights and the same considerations as humans(im not some peta whacko here), but condemning an animal to death for one action which was probably caused by accidental confusion and not knowing its own strength and potential for harm just seems wrong. That would be like putting a 5 yr old to death because it punched another kid. Hell we dont even do that when the kid goes after another kid with a knife. I guess i just have a little more respect for life than to see it as something to toss away casually because its inconvenient, just because it isnt my own.
I'm sorry, but do you own a dog? Or even a parent? I own a shepard/wolf hybrid. Best dog in the world. That dog bite my either of my children, I'm taking him out back and putting him down, probably snapping his fucking neck by the time I get out the door if it is that serious. I'll bury him myself and shed a few tears for the great joys he has given my family.
Dogs don't bite children. Its simple. Every dog knows that. You take your child to a friends house that has dogs and they don't have children, you hold them, especially if the child itself is used to dogs. Then again, the dog was around children. It snapped. It happens, but when its against a child, is a whole new ballgame. Same reason why my dog when we play wil jump on me, draw a bit of blood on my arms via tearing vice my arm towards or out(from me or him) and basically try to be the Alpha towards me. When my child comes up to him, pulls his tail, jumps on him, pokes him in the eye or falls on him, he may grumble and get up or stay and take his child thrashing with a smile on his face.
I spent a number of years being raised on a farm when i was a child. I do not currently own a dog or a parent. My landlord has a pet issue, and parents arent worth the trouble of looking after (especially my own).
You state that ALL dogs know that dogs dont bite children, yet in the next statement you make it a point to take caution in dealing with dogs who arent usually around children. If all dogs knew this, then why the precaution? Dogs are generally protective of there master and there master's territory. We generally reguard this as a positive. So then we turn around and make a double standard the dog is supposed to instinctively understand when it involves a child its never seen? Well, i guess maybe i should just hire a bunch of midgets then to rob people's houses who have guard dogs since they all know never to harm a child.
Why the hell would you keep a monster in the house in the first place??
That's not fair. Most people have no idea what there spouse will turn into after marriage.
Well, on a more serious note. Its not a monster, its a dog. Dog's are often allowed in homes. As it turns out large dogs are actually pretty good at guarding homes traditionally. Guarding a home from outside is possible, but tends to be less effective when the invader is already inside.
Given the kind of damage i used to cause other kids when i was a youngster, i would have been put down if we applied the same standards. It isnt as though dogs are naturally given to assaulting people, but even they have bad days. It is just a shame to me that they chose to kill the dog over this. Do we expect other dogs to take note? What the hell use does it serve? Im not saying we give animals rights and the same considerations as humans(im not some peta whacko here), but condemning an animal to death for one action which was probably caused by accidental confusion and not knowing its own strength and potential for harm just seems wrong. That would be like putting a 5 yr old to death because it punched another kid. Hell we dont even do that when the kid goes after another kid with a knife. I guess i just have a little more respect for life than to see it as something to toss away casually because its inconvenient, just because it isnt my own.
I'm sorry, but do you own a dog? Or even a parent? I own a shepard/wolf hybrid. Best dog in the world. That dog bite my either of my children, I'm taking him out back and putting him down, probably snapping his fucking neck by the time I get out the door if it is that serious. I'll bury him myself and shed a few tears for the great joys he has given my family.
Dogs don't bite children. Its simple. Every dog knows that. You take your child to a friends house that has dogs and they don't have children, you hold them, especially if the child itself is used to dogs. Then again, the dog was around children. It snapped. It happens, but when its against a child, is a whole new ballgame. Same reason why my dog when we play wil jump on me, draw a bit of blood on my arms via tearing vice my arm towards or out(from me or him) and basically try to be the Alpha towards me. When my child comes up to him, pulls his tail, jumps on him, pokes him in the eye or falls on him, he may grumble and get up or stay and take his child thrashing with a smile on his face.
I spent a number of years being raised on a farm when i was a child. I do not currently own a dog or a parent. My landlord has a pet issue, and parents arent worth the trouble of looking after (especially my own).
You state that ALL dogs know that dogs dont bite children, yet in the next statement you make it a point to take caution in dealing with dogs who arent usually around children. If all dogs knew this, then why the precaution? Dogs are generally protective of there master and there master's territory. We generally reguard this as a positive. So then we turn around and make a double standard the dog is supposed to instinctively understand when it involves a child its never seen? Well, i guess maybe i should just hire a bunch of midgets then to rob people's houses who have guard dogs since they all know never to harm a child.
Brilliant!! and Midgets/Little People fit through the doggy door!
Why the hell would you keep a monster in the house in the first place??
That's not fair. Most people have no idea what there spouse will turn into after marriage.
Well, on a more serious note. Its not a monster, its a dog. Dog's are often allowed in homes. As it turns out large dogs are actually pretty good at guarding homes traditionally. Guarding a home from outside is possible, but tends to be less effective when the invader is already inside.
Given the kind of damage i used to cause other kids when i was a youngster, i would have been put down if we applied the same standards. It isnt as though dogs are naturally given to assaulting people, but even they have bad days. It is just a shame to me that they chose to kill the dog over this. Do we expect other dogs to take note? What the hell use does it serve? Im not saying we give animals rights and the same considerations as humans(im not some peta whacko here), but condemning an animal to death for one action which was probably caused by accidental confusion and not knowing its own strength and potential for harm just seems wrong. That would be like putting a 5 yr old to death because it punched another kid. Hell we dont even do that when the kid goes after another kid with a knife. I guess i just have a little more respect for life than to see it as something to toss away casually because its inconvenient, just because it isnt my own.
I'm sorry, but do you own a dog? Or even a parent? I own a shepard/wolf hybrid. Best dog in the world. That dog bite my either of my children, I'm taking him out back and putting him down, probably snapping his fucking neck by the time I get out the door if it is that serious. I'll bury him myself and shed a few tears for the great joys he has given my family.
Dogs don't bite children. Its simple. Every dog knows that. You take your child to a friends house that has dogs and they don't have children, you hold them, especially if the child itself is used to dogs. Then again, the dog was around children. It snapped. It happens, but when its against a child, is a whole new ballgame. Same reason why my dog when we play wil jump on me, draw a bit of blood on my arms via tearing vice my arm towards or out(from me or him) and basically try to be the Alpha towards me. When my child comes up to him, pulls his tail, jumps on him, pokes him in the eye or falls on him, he may grumble and get up or stay and take his child thrashing with a smile on his face.
I spent a number of years being raised on a farm when i was a child. I do not currently own a dog or a parent. My landlord has a pet issue, and parents arent worth the trouble of looking after (especially my own).
You state that ALL dogs know that dogs dont bite children, yet in the next statement you make it a point to take caution in dealing with dogs who arent usually around children. If all dogs knew this, then why the precaution? Dogs are generally protective of there master and there master's territory. We generally reguard this as a positive. So then we turn around and make a double standard the dog is supposed to instinctively understand when it involves a child its never seen? Well, i guess maybe i should just hire a bunch of midgets then to rob people's houses who have guard dogs since they all know never to harm a child.
I actually did retract my statement in my next post, as I obviously errored on my part. At least read that post since I rephrased my original statement, that was a lack of foresight on my part.
Why the hell would you keep a monster in the house in the first place??
That's not fair. Most people have no idea what there spouse will turn into after marriage.
Well, on a more serious note. Its not a monster, its a dog. Dog's are often allowed in homes. As it turns out large dogs are actually pretty good at guarding homes traditionally. Guarding a home from outside is possible, but tends to be less effective when the invader is already inside.
Given the kind of damage i used to cause other kids when i was a youngster, i would have been put down if we applied the same standards. It isnt as though dogs are naturally given to assaulting people, but even they have bad days. It is just a shame to me that they chose to kill the dog over this. Do we expect other dogs to take note? What the hell use does it serve? Im not saying we give animals rights and the same considerations as humans(im not some peta whacko here), but condemning an animal to death for one action which was probably caused by accidental confusion and not knowing its own strength and potential for harm just seems wrong. That would be like putting a 5 yr old to death because it punched another kid. Hell we dont even do that when the kid goes after another kid with a knife. I guess i just have a little more respect for life than to see it as something to toss away casually because its inconvenient, just because it isnt my own.
I'm sorry, but do you own a dog? Or even a parent? I own a shepard/wolf hybrid. Best dog in the world. That dog bite my either of my children, I'm taking him out back and putting him down, probably snapping his fucking neck by the time I get out the door if it is that serious. I'll bury him myself and shed a few tears for the great joys he has given my family.
Dogs don't bite children. Its simple. Every dog knows that. You take your child to a friends house that has dogs and they don't have children, you hold them, especially if the child itself is used to dogs. Then again, the dog was around children. It snapped. It happens, but when its against a child, is a whole new ballgame. Same reason why my dog when we play wil jump on me, draw a bit of blood on my arms via tearing vice my arm towards or out(from me or him) and basically try to be the Alpha towards me. When my child comes up to him, pulls his tail, jumps on him, pokes him in the eye or falls on him, he may grumble and get up or stay and take his child thrashing with a smile on his face.
I spent a number of years being raised on a farm when i was a child. I do not currently own a dog or a parent. My landlord has a pet issue, and parents arent worth the trouble of looking after (especially my own).
You state that ALL dogs know that dogs dont bite children, yet in the next statement you make it a point to take caution in dealing with dogs who arent usually around children. If all dogs knew this, then why the precaution? Dogs are generally protective of there master and there master's territory. We generally reguard this as a positive. So then we turn around and make a double standard the dog is supposed to instinctively understand when it involves a child its never seen? Well, i guess maybe i should just hire a bunch of midgets then to rob people's houses who have guard dogs since they all know never to harm a child.
I actually did retract my statement in my next post, as I obviously errored on my part. At least read that post since I rephrased my original statement, that was a lack of foresight on my part.
Forum readers are a vicious breed indeed.
Fair enough. I guess ill call off the dogs. (couldnt resist)
I'm going to assume, by your context you think I meant my 3 year old and 1 year old go around and just poke my dog in the eye and pull his tail viciously. Sure that would consititue animal abuse, but you obviously don't have children nor a family dog and understand what kids will put a dog through. Because if you did, you would understand the context of what I said. That isn't the case. Kids grab a dogs tail, duh. Petting and grabbing at their face results in an eye poke. And if my beast of a dog is lying on the ground the kids are going to be on top of him sometimes bouncing on him. If he doesn't like it, then he will go upstairs and lay on my bed. There is a reason why I like BIG fucking dogs, you'd never see me with with a piece of shit little dog. Maybe people don't understand what kind of play an adult and dog do if they are rough. What my kids do pales in comparison to what I do to him when we are playing.
Again, the owners had children. Your right for all I know, they trained the dog to dog fight, which would explain the lashing out. But as a dog owner and parent, I can for sure not relate to my dog ever lashing out. He doesn't nip nor bite, then again i also trained him to handle children from the day I got him(My 3year old wasn't born yet, but my wife was pregnant) and put him through a solid cycle of startling him, and other things little ones will do on accident to see how he reacted. Do most parents I know own dogs do that, nope. They are lazy.
Now, I did take in a rescue dog and it lashed at my son two days after I got it. Did I put it down? No, I took it back where I got it(mind you I spent 200bucks at a Vet the day before since it had an ear infection) and informed them he isn't good around children. I should rephrase my statement, family dogs know not to bite children. (Obviously guard dogs, etc are trained for a purpose)
I do not have children, I do however, own 2 dogs. Had 3 dogs up untill one died a few months ago from a bad reaction to some medicine. I've had pets for as long as I can remember, dogs, cats, lizards, spiders, snakes, fish, gerbles, the list goes on. I care quite a bit for animals. Out of all those pets I have never had one attack me or anyone who has been around them.
As you've said you play rough with your dog, so what happens when your children get older and get rougher? Will you punish the dog for biting, drawing blood, accidentally harming your kids? I own a rather big dog aswell, and he knows, even when playing rather rough, never to draw blood.
Like I said, i'm not goin to tell you how to raise your children, but, I would be teaching my children (if I had them) how to treat the dog. Grabbing at the tail and face would be a no no. Not teaching children that things like that are bad will only make it worse when they get older.
Generally when a pet attacks someone it's because it feels threatened. Such as your rescue dog, you should have known that it may react harshly to your kids. It's been abandond, not cared for. It was scared and had no reason to trust you or you children. Pets don't just go crazy and freak out for no reason, unless they are rabid. Mean dogs come from mean owners. However, a dog doesn't have to be a mean dog to attack back.
Man, best post on owning a pet in the thread.
I'm in a similar situation, having owned pets all of my life ranging from fish to birds to dogs, and everything stated here sums up treatment of a pet quite nicely. Currently, I own no dogs, but do have a 15 year-old cat. I've had her since she was weeks old, saved from a drainage ditch. Being as I was a bit younger when I found her, I was definitely a bit rougher on her than I should've been, but she was quite the playful type and definitely enjoyed it. That said, she learned early on that swatting at me with claws out was a big no-no. Nipping with her teeth was also not tolerated.
To this day, she's the only cat I've ever seen that I can toy with by hiding my hand to have it reappear, and she will not scratch or bite it, but more or less pat it with her claws retracted playfully. I can pick her up and hold her upside-down like a baby and she purrs like a kitten where most cats will flip out. I can toss her on my shoulder - on her side, not standing but laying draped - and she'll just lightly latch onto my collar and enjoy the ride hands-free. She's also far more active than plenty of younger cats I've seen, and spent the majority of her life an indoor cat.
All of that said, she sent me to the emergency room late one night, years ago, after feeling threatened by another cat. Though she was growling and hissing at the other cat, I approached her from behind and went to pick her up without her ever having the chance to identify me (voice or otherwise), and she bit into my hand. She broke the skin with several teeth and clamped on with her front paws, all while kicking feverishly with her hind legs against my wrist. I was pouring blood, but I did little more than set her down and head to the hospital. The attack was my fault, not the animal's. She was merely reacting on basic instinct.
These days, though she's much older and a bit more grouchy, she's still as sweet as she can be. I gladly allow my nephew - 2.5 years old - to pet her after I know she's calm, and he has never tried to pull her tail or poke at her. He's as gentle as he can be, and I'm talking about one hell of an active kid. You can actually tell that my cat has a sense of being even more cautious and careful with him than she might otherwise be. The thing is - his parents owning dogs themselves (full-size labradors, at that!) - he knows what not to do, even at such a young age and he has for nearly a year at this point. It's all about raising and teaching both child and pet properly.
"The power of accurate observation is commonly called cynicism by those who have not got it." George Bernard Shaw
What is a cynic? A man who knows the price of everything and the value of nothing. Oscar Wilde
I'm going to assume, by your context you think I meant my 3 year old and 1 year old go around and just poke my dog in the eye and pull his tail viciously. Sure that would consititue animal abuse, but you obviously don't have children nor a family dog and understand what kids will put a dog through. Because if you did, you would understand the context of what I said. That isn't the case. Kids grab a dogs tail, duh. Petting and grabbing at their face results in an eye poke. And if my beast of a dog is lying on the ground the kids are going to be on top of him sometimes bouncing on him. If he doesn't like it, then he will go upstairs and lay on my bed. There is a reason why I like BIG fucking dogs, you'd never see me with with a piece of shit little dog. Maybe people don't understand what kind of play an adult and dog do if they are rough. What my kids do pales in comparison to what I do to him when we are playing.
Again, the owners had children. Your right for all I know, they trained the dog to dog fight, which would explain the lashing out. But as a dog owner and parent, I can for sure not relate to my dog ever lashing out. He doesn't nip nor bite, then again i also trained him to handle children from the day I got him(My 3year old wasn't born yet, but my wife was pregnant) and put him through a solid cycle of startling him, and other things little ones will do on accident to see how he reacted. Do most parents I know own dogs do that, nope. They are lazy.
Now, I did take in a rescue dog and it lashed at my son two days after I got it. Did I put it down? No, I took it back where I got it(mind you I spent 200bucks at a Vet the day before since it had an ear infection) and informed them he isn't good around children. I should rephrase my statement, family dogs know not to bite children. (Obviously guard dogs, etc are trained for a purpose)
I do not have children, I do however, own 2 dogs. Had 3 dogs up untill one died a few months ago from a bad reaction to some medicine. I've had pets for as long as I can remember, dogs, cats, lizards, spiders, snakes, fish, gerbles, the list goes on. I care quite a bit for animals. Out of all those pets I have never had one attack me or anyone who has been around them.
As you've said you play rough with your dog, so what happens when your children get older and get rougher? Will you punish the dog for biting, drawing blood, accidentally harming your kids? I own a rather big dog aswell, and he knows, even when playing rather rough, never to draw blood.
Like I said, i'm not goin to tell you how to raise your children, but, I would be teaching my children (if I had them) how to treat the dog. Grabbing at the tail and face would be a no no. Not teaching children that things like that are bad will only make it worse when they get older.
Generally when a pet attacks someone it's because it feels threatened. Such as your rescue dog, you should have known that it may react harshly to your kids. It's been abandond, not cared for. It was scared and had no reason to trust you or you children. Pets don't just go crazy and freak out for no reason, unless they are rabid. Mean dogs come from mean owners. However, a dog doesn't have to be a mean dog to attack back.
Sorry, didn't see this, When the children are older and they want to play rough like I play with him, they better be able to take it, my dog has big teeth and if he is grabbing your arm and your pulling away fast some blood is draw. His nails are also big as I keep them within reason and not super small, and they will scratch. So between that and his claws I'm nearly going to have a cut on my arm everytime.
See, the problem is you don't have kids. So really, you don't understand how little ones(my son was born when the dog was less than one) and the dogs relationship is. My dog is an Alpha male. He will grumble and try to be the Alpha to the children, yet at the same time he will follow them all over the house to make sure they don't get hurt. He is their protector. Not by my doing, but the dog just knows his role. The kids play on him. Its his choice, you can't tell a 9 month old who is walking and falls on the dog, or reaches and grabs at the dog and hit his eye that she an not do that and she'll automatically know, its a learning process for the child, the dog, and the parents. The dog understands and has been around little ones his entire life. He has an escape if he doesn't want to be bothered. When he wants to be pestered, and he does for about half their waking hours(6 or so) he comes down in the family room and plays. I can't recall one time when the dog has been physically harmed by the kids. Does my three year old poke the dogs eyes? Nope, he knows better, but he sure loves to bounce on him and the dog doesn't mind. Grabbing at my dog's tail doesn't both him, does it both some dogs? I imagine, mine I can pull his tail and he just stands their like I'm an idiot. Really I can explain it all day, but its like telling someone what to expect when they are expecting to have kids, you can't. Neither can you prepare for a life with before hand other than making sure you can financially meet the responibilities and give them the love and commitment that they require, no different than owning a pet to be honest.
We knew the possibilities with a rescue dog, we liked the dog and his demeanor. Will we take in another one? Certainly, if its a pup like my dog was and can be raised from the ground up. This one was nearly three. We understood the risk and shit happens.
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If this was true then the military and police departments could just train the dogs by having video games on in the background.
that makes alot of sense then. so the dog got put down for a little girl who "may have kicked it" thats really sad. cause if she may have kicked it, that means no one was watching, and that means she may have done alot more.
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Guess who is responsible for most if not all dog attacks?
That's right, the owners.
Dogs require a strict hierarchy and lots of care, including long walks and exercise each and every day.
The fact that the girl may have been harming the animal too is simply an act of neglect so bad that the family should be barred from ever having a dog again.
You just caused me to spit Diet Mt Dew all over my monitor at work. I'm going to be fired for sure.
It could have been a British girl in America.
You make good points. Why the hell isn't the family encouraging the child to play with the family dog and not a virtual pet. Then again..a nintendog won't eat your face. In Madden you can't suffer a concussion. In fantasy games though it is better to be able to draw blood.These are not good points on my behalf however...because soon we're going to have a generation of pasty..over wieght homeschooled (or no-schooled) shut ins who live entirely in a virtual world. ..mumbling in some semi-literate text-speak ....too afraid to even pull back the window shade.
ROFL That's classic. My dog used to bark at dinosaur shows on the discovery channel
I'm sorry, but do you own a dog? Or even a parent? I own a shepard/wolf hybrid. Best dog in the world. That dog bite my either of my children, I'm taking him out back and putting him down, probably snapping his fucking neck by the time I get out the door if it is that serious. I'll bury him myself and shed a few tears for the great joys he has given my family.
Dogs don't bite children. Its simple. Every dog knows that. You take your child to a friends house that has dogs and they don't have children, you hold them, especially if the child itself is used to dogs. Then again, the dog was around children. It snapped. It happens, but when its against a child, is a whole new ballgame. Same reason why my dog when we play wil jump on me, draw a bit of blood on my arms via tearing vice my arm towards or out(from me or him) and basically try to be the Alpha towards me. When my child comes up to him, pulls his tail, jumps on him, pokes him in the eye or falls on him, he may grumble and get up or stay and take his child thrashing with a smile on his face.
Wher can I get a license to own a parent? Might be kinda fun.
-Letting Derek Smart work on your game is like letting Osama bin Laden work in the White House. Something will burn.-
-And on the 8th day, man created God.-
If someone isn't willing to instruct their children in how to treat animals, they shouldn't have children in the first place, let alone animals.
-Letting Derek Smart work on your game is like letting Osama bin Laden work in the White House. Something will burn.-
-And on the 8th day, man created God.-
I'm going to assume, by your context you think I meant my 3 year old and 1 year old go around and just poke my dog in the eye and pull his tail viciously. Sure that would consititue animal abuse, but you obviously don't have children nor a family dog and understand what kids will put a dog through. Because if you did, you would understand the context of what I said. That isn't the case. Kids grab a dogs tail, duh. Petting and grabbing at their face results in an eye poke. And if my beast of a dog is lying on the ground the kids are going to be on top of him sometimes bouncing on him. If he doesn't like it, then he will go upstairs and lay on my bed. There is a reason why I like BIG fucking dogs, you'd never see me with with a piece of shit little dog. Maybe people don't understand what kind of play an adult and dog do if they are rough. What my kids do pales in comparison to what I do to him when we are playing.
Again, the owners had children. Your right for all I know, they trained the dog to dog fight, which would explain the lashing out. But as a dog owner and parent, I can for sure not relate to my dog ever lashing out. He doesn't nip nor bite, then again i also trained him to handle children from the day I got him(My 3year old wasn't born yet, but my wife was pregnant) and put him through a solid cycle of startling him, and other things little ones will do on accident to see how he reacted. Do most parents I know own dogs do that, nope. They are lazy.
Now, I did take in a rescue dog and it lashed at my son two days after I got it. Did I put it down? No, I took it back where I got it(mind you I spent 200bucks at a Vet the day before since it had an ear infection) and informed them he isn't good around children. I should rephrase my statement, family dogs know not to bite children. (Obviously guard dogs, etc are trained for a purpose)
Yeah it can't be the owner of the dogs fault for raising a psycho dog, it must be someone else fault.
Just like it is GTAs fault kids grew up to criminals, not the parents.
When will people take responsability for their own crap?
Of course it can be genetical problems too, modern dogs are inbreeds but it sure is not a games fault.
Stop blaming companies for stuff that is your fault.
If you pour hot coffee from Starbucks in your lap and get burn it is your own fault for being a clumsy moron, not Starbucks for selling hot coffee.
I would just like to poin out that this is an article in the Daily Mail. Getting your information from that paper is like getting all your medical advice from a homeopath.
Here is a list of carcinogens according to said rag. They do not just print half truths and nonsense, but dangerous lies as well.
I spent a number of years being raised on a farm when i was a child. I do not currently own a dog or a parent. My landlord has a pet issue, and parents arent worth the trouble of looking after (especially my own).
You state that ALL dogs know that dogs dont bite children, yet in the next statement you make it a point to take caution in dealing with dogs who arent usually around children. If all dogs knew this, then why the precaution? Dogs are generally protective of there master and there master's territory. We generally reguard this as a positive. So then we turn around and make a double standard the dog is supposed to instinctively understand when it involves a child its never seen? Well, i guess maybe i should just hire a bunch of midgets then to rob people's houses who have guard dogs since they all know never to harm a child.
Brilliant!! and Midgets/Little People fit through the doggy door!
hahaha, thats priceless. I literally LOL'd.
Nevermind the apparent poor obedience training of the dog by its' owners.
I actually did retract my statement in my next post, as I obviously errored on my part. At least read that post since I rephrased my original statement, that was a lack of foresight on my part.
Forum readers are a vicious breed indeed.
Fair enough. I guess ill call off the dogs. (couldnt resist)
Man, best post on owning a pet in the thread.
I'm in a similar situation, having owned pets all of my life ranging from fish to birds to dogs, and everything stated here sums up treatment of a pet quite nicely. Currently, I own no dogs, but do have a 15 year-old cat. I've had her since she was weeks old, saved from a drainage ditch. Being as I was a bit younger when I found her, I was definitely a bit rougher on her than I should've been, but she was quite the playful type and definitely enjoyed it. That said, she learned early on that swatting at me with claws out was a big no-no. Nipping with her teeth was also not tolerated.
To this day, she's the only cat I've ever seen that I can toy with by hiding my hand to have it reappear, and she will not scratch or bite it, but more or less pat it with her claws retracted playfully. I can pick her up and hold her upside-down like a baby and she purrs like a kitten where most cats will flip out. I can toss her on my shoulder - on her side, not standing but laying draped - and she'll just lightly latch onto my collar and enjoy the ride hands-free. She's also far more active than plenty of younger cats I've seen, and spent the majority of her life an indoor cat.
All of that said, she sent me to the emergency room late one night, years ago, after feeling threatened by another cat. Though she was growling and hissing at the other cat, I approached her from behind and went to pick her up without her ever having the chance to identify me (voice or otherwise), and she bit into my hand. She broke the skin with several teeth and clamped on with her front paws, all while kicking feverishly with her hind legs against my wrist. I was pouring blood, but I did little more than set her down and head to the hospital. The attack was my fault, not the animal's. She was merely reacting on basic instinct.
These days, though she's much older and a bit more grouchy, she's still as sweet as she can be. I gladly allow my nephew - 2.5 years old - to pet her after I know she's calm, and he has never tried to pull her tail or poke at her. He's as gentle as he can be, and I'm talking about one hell of an active kid. You can actually tell that my cat has a sense of being even more cautious and careful with him than she might otherwise be. The thing is - his parents owning dogs themselves (full-size labradors, at that!) - he knows what not to do, even at such a young age and he has for nearly a year at this point. It's all about raising and teaching both child and pet properly.
"The power of accurate observation is commonly called cynicism by those who have not got it."
George Bernard Shaw
What is a cynic? A man who knows the price of everything and the value of nothing.
Oscar Wilde
Sorry, didn't see this, When the children are older and they want to play rough like I play with him, they better be able to take it, my dog has big teeth and if he is grabbing your arm and your pulling away fast some blood is draw. His nails are also big as I keep them within reason and not super small, and they will scratch. So between that and his claws I'm nearly going to have a cut on my arm everytime.
See, the problem is you don't have kids. So really, you don't understand how little ones(my son was born when the dog was less than one) and the dogs relationship is. My dog is an Alpha male. He will grumble and try to be the Alpha to the children, yet at the same time he will follow them all over the house to make sure they don't get hurt. He is their protector. Not by my doing, but the dog just knows his role. The kids play on him. Its his choice, you can't tell a 9 month old who is walking and falls on the dog, or reaches and grabs at the dog and hit his eye that she an not do that and she'll automatically know, its a learning process for the child, the dog, and the parents. The dog understands and has been around little ones his entire life. He has an escape if he doesn't want to be bothered. When he wants to be pestered, and he does for about half their waking hours(6 or so) he comes down in the family room and plays. I can't recall one time when the dog has been physically harmed by the kids. Does my three year old poke the dogs eyes? Nope, he knows better, but he sure loves to bounce on him and the dog doesn't mind. Grabbing at my dog's tail doesn't both him, does it both some dogs? I imagine, mine I can pull his tail and he just stands their like I'm an idiot. Really I can explain it all day, but its like telling someone what to expect when they are expecting to have kids, you can't. Neither can you prepare for a life with before hand other than making sure you can financially meet the responibilities and give them the love and commitment that they require, no different than owning a pet to be honest.
We knew the possibilities with a rescue dog, we liked the dog and his demeanor. Will we take in another one? Certainly, if its a pup like my dog was and can be raised from the ground up. This one was nearly three. We understood the risk and shit happens.