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SE asking for time before being Reviewed
theartist
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Source: http://www.sankakucomplex.com/2010/10/05/square-enix-dont-review-ff14-players-38/
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Basically what's up is Square-Enix is asking reviewers not to review the game until it has had time to season. I'm new to this community in posting, but I've used mmorpg.com as a source of information many times in the past. I came here over the last week or two to see the review. Everyone knows about the negative reviews out there, but I wanted to see what Massively and MMORPG had to say on the subject. It looks like they're following SE's request. Which by all means they're allowed to.
But will they review the changes that SE couldn't have been bothered with changing during their alpha and beta tests? Or review the game after its seasoned and many people will have paid to play a very incomplete title.
Honestly considering how long SE's been around it seems like they would have known better. The game's going to survive I feel due to it's IP, and what a property it is. But better games have bit the dust for way less than this.
Is it fair?
ps I know a lot of defenders of the game troll about this board, but really I think it's most unfair to you guys. I enjoy some aspects of the game, but I think now that my account is deleted I won't be bothered to even remotely try to praise this flop.
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They took money for it and released it. I say review the shit out of it.
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Asking to wait on reviews is admitting they screwed up.
What they should do is make the game F2P until they fix it. Maybe then, MAYBE, they'll get their honor back.
Do we seriously need ANOTHER thread about this? Seriously?
You sir win the Internet
You could have just deleted the rest of your post and left just this stuff above. This is what your saying afterall isn't it? You find this game to be incomplete, a worse game than many you have seen fail, and since your account is gone you now feel its your duty to spead the word of what...reason?? (I'm assuming you did a chargeback and since you didnt actually pay SE for the game they booted you right? )
Does it even cross any of your minds that FFXIV is designed to grow around the player base, and doing a review before the base can build would be an inaccruate view? Probably not no, I dont know what I was thinking that people would think before jumping on thier soap box. Sad, really sad.
Yes we get it, you feel the game sucks, you took your money back. Woohoo for you, no need to bring your hate here.
(DISCLAIMER - The use of the word YOU in the above post is not directed at any one person in particular, but towards those who fall into the category itself - there is no personal attack here, neither intentional nor implied.)
Unfortunately for them, I'm of the mind that a product should not be released if they feel it is not prepared to be reviewed.
I think there is nothing wrong for consumers to demand quality for their money.
It seems to be an odd thing to say "Sure, we'd love to take your money now, but please don't say anything about the game until we're ready for it".
As someone else already said it sounds like a self admission of mistakes made.
They are asking for time because it is a player driven economy and those take a bit of time to get going. However, I still think it doesn't matter, since they still continue to hold onto the dream that their current market system will work. If they would just accept their mistake and put the AH in at the very beginning like many have asked this mess wouldn't look quite so bad.
You can't grow with it, it is far from being a sand box style game. Players have little effect on the game other than spamming 'where can I find Mango Jango' or 'how do i repair my underware' (seriously)
You don't grow when you wait for classes to be added. The economy to be added. A purpose in the world to be added.
If I bought a large 35 acre lot and built a fence around it, laid some paths, and had a carousel in the center; I could charge people the 55 dollars to come enter my grand theme park and enjoy themselves. I have no doubt some people could have a blast in my area, but ethically- would I be doing something wrong?
I don't mind if they ask reviewers to hold off reviewing the game until it's ready to be reviewed as long as they are willing to hold of charging people until then it's all good.
But if they are ready to charge for the game, it better be ready to be reviewed.
Bottom line is, if it's sale ready it's review ready.
See now, you could have left out all your stuff too except for this right here. This is your view of FFXIV isn't it. You dont see anything in game that entertains you.
I'm sorry you couldn't find direction in this game, I'm sorry it didnt reach out and grab you by the balls and drag you around in your theme park. But you know what, just because some people can't see it, doesn't mean that carousel in the middle of your land isnt there. Seriously though, do you peple complain about parks in real life? Noone there to force you into a game of frisbie, they dont make you walk down a path and look at the ducks in the pond so there is nothing to do there?
And really, lets stop making shit up to pass a view point. Saying players have no effect on the game, when every item in the game is built by the players...seriously. You dont see it, sorry, not the games fault.
(DISCLAIMER - The use of the word YOU in the above post is not directed at any one person in particular, but towards those who fall into the category itself - there is no personal attack here, neither intentional nor implied.)
Seriously guys, can't you wait until they patch the game in? I mean, you got your money's worth with that pretty pretty box art right?
When people feel betrayed, they get angry. That's just how things go. Lucky for Square Enix and other unscrupulous companies though, there are sheep such as yourself that will like and defend something regardless of actual content because you've already made up your mind to. Anybody that doesn't agree is wrong, and opinions that aren't yours or what SE wants are outrageous. Welcome to capitalism.
Your debate style and method of ... It's pointless. If you're going to disregard what people legitimately have to say opposing your stubborn view then completely disregard it.
I would put a monetary bet that you gain more entertainment from defending this game trolling message boards than you actually do playing the game. There's more to the combat here, but your lack of providing irrefutable rhetoric pretty much means your LOGIC stat there agrees with those whom you disagree with. But your pride prevents any real reasoning in what you do or say.
Also your 'shit' statement is just that; all players have the same recipes and just cookie cutter the same material. That's not impact, that's not discovery, that's not exploring or building, it's shapeless and hardly worth even calling a minigame. Because it's much less than that.
Actually I've decided to rant a bit.
This is one of the biggest problems with the MMO sector right now. If us long term MMO players are getting fed up with MMO's launching that simply aren't ready to launch how do you think new MMO players are taking all this? They try an MMO or two at launch after reading all the hype, hearing friends talking about it, they spend their money on the game and find out the damn thing doesn't even work correctly or has way to many glaring issues that they aren't use to with Single player games and Multiplayer games. Do you think they will be coming back for more?
If your veteran MMO'rs aren't willing to put up with this borked launches anymore do you really think new MMO'rs will be?
If your game isn't ready to be reviewed then you have no business launching it and charging people for it.
I'm curious how a community will change the problems people are pointing out about the game. Most of the issues seem to be related to aspects of the game that are independant of anything related to the community.
As a long time MMO player i'm comfortable with the launch and how its gone. The game itself does have its issues (other threads cover that quite in depth) but I find the game enjoyable and entirely playable despite them.
I've learned through multiple launches that the game I'm playing today will be different from the game I'm playing a year from now and it will keep evolving further, thats the nature of the genre. I've played games at launch that i've enjoyed and a year later I found myself questioning what the game had become and now years later I dislike that same game I used to enjoy and I doubt i'm alone on this.
Don't get me wrong I think all games should be reviewed when released (I do think SE was out of line) even though I don't personally put much faith in reviews but I also think that we as MMO players have to acknowledge that when a game is first released to the public its basically a preview of whats to come and if as a gamer your having issues with the launch whether it be from playing the release or the reviews it might still be worth revisiting in 6 months or a year to see what changes have taken place and decide again if its something that interests you or not. I also think they should do a follow up review after the games been out for awhile to see how it compares against their initial impressions which we should see in FFXIV with the release of the PS3 version whenever it comes out.
Can we stop w/ the 'game's economy needs players to build' argument. Very little of what has been reviewed about the game has to do w/ the economy. It has to do w/ the bugs, lack of content, pace, and the accessability of it's controls / ui / basic functions.
The game isn't set up in a way for the players to improve ANY of these facettes, so saying the game needs time to develope a player base, while being true, is moot.
I think people need to open their eyes to SE a little bit more. Especially if you love final fantasy. Shutting them because it's a large IP doesn't help anything. SE dropped the ball w/ this game. It's really hard to deny this. I think it's great that they are honoring SE's request to delay being reviewed, but I wonder how long they expect this delay to last. There is only so much you can fix in a month or two, and waiting much more than that to review a new game is asking for a lot. Nearly every game gets reviewed at release, MMOs aren't an exception. Asking for a delay is, in my eyes, a pretty blatant acknowledgement of errors being made on SEs part.
If they are charging players for a game, then by all means they should be reviewed. If they are underfunded and unable to complete their game without a cash flow, they do it oldskool and offer the game free and ask for donations/ and sell other merchandise/ recruit advertisers on site to finish it. If they are releasing an unfinished game due to "deadlines" and have been in the business long enough to know the reprecussions for doing so, they are unprofessional, and have what ever negative reviews they endure for their own mismangement coming to them. That is just the way the cookie crumbles.
Ok, so how much money you going to pay me? Your wrong, dead wrong. These forums, and the people on it who refuse to see reason in anything, annoy me to no end. FFXIV, I laugh and have fun playing for hours every day. Unlike the closed minded people on the hate bandwagon, I dont have the problems everyone has with this game. I am not driven in any game by forced, guided content. I am not gear driven, progression focused, end game seeking, or epeen striving.
So I was reading these other threads tonight and I happened upon this post here, its you isn't it? Imagine, you comment on how you want a game that is designed to let the players decide the world, with a bit of direction. Open class, where you can chose how you want to play your character, not quite sandbox or theme park. So other than no PvP, what is it you dont like about FFXIV again?? Oh let me guess, the game itself doesn't bug you, the interface does right?
Oh and for the record, I dont agree with the hate bandwagon in any way. I dont see the problems with this game they do. I see the potential in this game in every direction. And I have tons of fun playing it every day. At least 75% of the reasons people hate this game I find shallow and mostly false assumptions. I could go on for page after page after page of 'I hate FFXIV because' comments and provide logical proof of its nonexistance. Fact is, it wouldnt' matter at all, none of you would listen to any of it anyway. You hate for the sake of hating, half of you probably dont even have the personal experience to which you hate about on these forums every day. FFXIV isn't your game, arguing for the sake of arguing on these forums is your game.
And dont forget, I will be looking forward to seeing your PM about making arragments to pay me the money you wagered here. I hope you weren't being a liar for the sake of trying to prove your viewpoint, we have enough of those losers in this world already.
(DISCLAIMER - The use of the word YOU in the above post is not directed at any one person in particular, but towards those who fall into the category itself - there is no personal attack here, neither intentional nor implied.)
This is looking pretty bad for them. They are basically saying "Let us sell/unload the crapton of game boxes that we have manufactured! DO NOT REVIEW this game until we have sold a bunch of boxes and made some cheddar off the game before you review it".
One would hypothesise that a game company that was proud of their product or had faith in it would be encouraging as many reviews as possible. It ends up being free advertisement to have your game on a game website with good reviews! I reckon I am glad that I passed on this game. It was looking amazing graphically but I guess that is where the good review ends.
This is a shady request. The necessary action that needs to be taken is to run the game without subscription costs until the game company is ready for reviews.
You would have to be the mother of all fanboys/fangirls to try and excuse this mess. Like a serial killers mother begging the jury to let her baby go free.
^^ This.
If they thought it was good enough to release after having the chance to actually alpha and beta test it for free, then it is at a state that it can be reviewed. In fact Im not impressed with the high scores that it has gotten from some websites and the "kind" score it gets from others like IGN. SE should be slapped in the face for allowing us to buy a game that should still be in beta. Completely unreasonable to sell a game in this shape.
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