Maybe it's just me but I was equally bored watching both.
I had to stop watching the Tera one...::yawn:: it was putting me to sleep.
Can't really get a good feeling of it when you're just watching.
Actually, "flashy" games benefit more from videos, because they can keep you more easily entertained just through the "coolness" factor. It really does not tell you anything about playing the game yourself.
Like chess- boring to watch (no FLASHINESS), fun to play.
Granted, I kinda expect TERA to have more fun combat still. I'm just not noticing it from this vid. The non-gameplay trailers were better imo.
There was nothing there, as another player said, it was stab,stab, stab, shield bash, stab, stab, stab, stab...and then it took so frikking long. What is it with Asian games and the length of time it takes to kill things in their games? Want to talk snooze fest. Just thinking about it is making me yawn again.
6 Man mob being killed by 3 players. That's why it was taking so long, they have 1 DPS when they should have 4.
Well then, there you go....the game is so hard 3 people do what 6 people do. Sorta like what one good pally does with a 5 man MOB in WoW huh? ^_^ Just as boring - just as long.
Maybe it's just me but I was equally bored watching both.
I had to stop watching the Tera one...::yawn:: it was putting me to sleep.
Can't really get a good feeling of it when you're just watching.
Actually, "flashy" games benefit more from videos, because they can keep you more easily entertained just through the "coolness" factor. It really does not tell you anything about playing the game yourself.
Like chess- boring to watch (no FLASHINESS), fun to play.
Granted, I kinda expect TERA to have more fun combat still. I'm just not noticing it from this vid. The non-gameplay trailers were better imo.
There was nothing there, as another player said, it was stab,stab, stab, shield bash, stab, stab, stab, stab...and then it took so frikking long. What is it with Asian games and the length of time it takes to kill things in their games? Want to talk snooze fest. Just thinking about it is making me yawn again.
6 Man mob being killed by 3 players. That's why it was taking so long, they have 1 DPS when they should have 4.
Well then, there you go....the game is so hard 3 people do what 6 people do. Sorta like what one good pally does with a 5 man MOB in WoW huh? ^_^ Just as boring - just as long.
I dont think the challenge in Tera should lie withing the pve.
Hopefully there will a couple of har dungeons and world bosses later in the game but the real challenge is within the pvp.
The first boss in a game shouldn't really be that insanly hard if you ask me but it should be more of a learning fight.
hehehe dodo's can sleep, blind, slow, targets at least lol. an its a normal mob, with 2+ people fighting a hard ones yea the fight can be epic i guess lol, because then the other person is sleep while other is being raped... with blind on him :P can't wait for ff14 elite mobs even more now .
I dont think the challenge in Tera should lie withing the pve.
Hopefully there will a couple of har dungeons and world bosses later in the game but the real challenge is within the pvp.
The first boss in a game shouldn't really be that insanly hard if you ask me but it should be more of a learning fight.
Sounds like the game will fail in the West and be extremely successful in the East, then.
Of course they'll try to make it more PvE centric for the West but you don't just simply change the emphasis the whole game is built on without adjusting the very core mechanics themselves... something they are not willing to do for the sake of making West maybe like this game.
Using LOL is like saying "my argument sucks but I still want to disagree".
Maybe it's just me but I was equally bored watching both.
I had to stop watching the Tera one...::yawn:: it was putting me to sleep.
Can't really get a good feeling of it when you're just watching.
Actually, "flashy" games benefit more from videos, because they can keep you more easily entertained just through the "coolness" factor. It really does not tell you anything about playing the game yourself.
Like chess- boring to watch (no FLASHINESS), fun to play.
Granted, I kinda expect TERA to have more fun combat still. I'm just not noticing it from this vid. The non-gameplay trailers were better imo.
There was nothing there, as another player said, it was stab,stab, stab, shield bash, stab, stab, stab, stab...and then it took so frikking long. What is it with Asian games and the length of time it takes to kill things in their games? Want to talk snooze fest. Just thinking about it is making me yawn again.
6 Man mob being killed by 3 players. That's why it was taking so long, they have 1 DPS when they should have 4.
Well then, there you go....the game is so hard 3 people do what 6 people do. Sorta like what one good pally does with a 5 man MOB in WoW huh? ^_^ Just as boring - just as long.
Incase you didn't watch the end... they died. They didn't "do" anything.
Come on, Ald- you were one of the people saying they can't nor won't "change design"- yet they did, and will do it again in March.
How many times do they have to do it until you believe it is possible and even likely?
They can do a lot of things to make the combat feel more "snappy". For example FFXII, had the same kind of animation locks and even slower pace of combat, but felt a lot more fluid as a whole. There is no need to get rid of the animation locks to make the game feel better paced.
Just toss your criticism at their way and see what happens. 5 minutes of work and you lose nothing. I know I've already did.
Where have you been Hyan, i've actually missed you.
I'd be all over XIV, even with it's lack of content, if my character had the freedom of motion of say WoW or any of it's clones.
Animation locks are a deal breaker for me, as it makes me feel i have no control over my character or the situation i'm in.
Oh and for the record, i'm not defending TERA, as i really have no interest in another Korean game. It does, however, seem to be more on track with what SE was trying to do with the whole positioning in combat and failed at. Again, a great idea that is limited by the combat mechanics SE chose to build the game around.
Where have you been Hyan, i've actually missed you.
I've be all over XIV, even with it's lack of content, if my character had the freedom of motion of say WoW or any of it's clones.
Animation locks are a deal breaker for me, as it makes me feel i have no control over my character or the situation it's in.
Aww<3
You know man, I agree with you that the current system just does not cut it. Movement during the battle is too slow for my liking, as it's hard to effectively position yourself so that you can get most out of your skills. I only tend to do that with select few skills, like Seismic Shock.
Also when a Dodo is doing their burp-skill, and I had just started my attack animation, that sucks as well.
Even if there is a penalty for cancelling your attack, it should be possible someway.
With the way they said they would make the combat feel faster paced, they should be on to this problem as well. I don't think it's unlikely. They, of course as with everything else wrong with the game, needed to see the disaster to act properly, but now I think what we can do is let them know what's up and they'll do something about it.
If they made it more like XII, that would be awesome already. Snappy animations, not sluggish. Faster movement during combat.
Using LOL is like saying "my argument sucks but I still want to disagree".
This thread is funny and sad at the same time. Have fun playing XIV boyz.
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I had no idea how boring combat and monsters is in FFXIV untill i saw Tera. Wow!
So the you are saying that the Tera Lancer with his hillarious looking toothpick has 2 combat animations ("Stab, Stab, Stab, Shout, Stab Stab Stab") and even those are poorly done. Combat looks really boring and the only thing that makes this mob an Elite is the time it takes to kill him. No strategy involved, just Stab Stab Stab Shout Stab Stab Stab [...]
/doze
PS: Don't compare Elite to low level trash mobs, thats just silly.
2 combat animatons? did we watch the same video?
And what is the strategy involved in killing a bloody dodo? i can't help but laugh when FFXIV players make fun of animation , combat and strategy in other MMOS. Moreover, its a fair comparison because you can't find anything else to kill at lvl 20. The point of video was to show the variety of mobs you kill at low levels. Sorry but if there is only trash that is all you kill.
I asked this before, if you got such cool looking elite mobs/NM in FFXIV for lvl 20, go ahead make a video and post it here. I don't believe in empty words of FFXIV fans anymore. Let us make it fair shall we?
Who could have thought that WOW could bring super power like USA to its knees?
Originally posted by Arcken
To put it in a nutshell, our society is about to hit the fan, grades are dropping, obesity is going up,childhood the USA is going to lose its super power status before too long, but hey, as long as we have a cheap method to babysit our kids, all will be well no? Im picking on WoW btw because its the beast that made all of this possible
And what is the strategy involved in killing a bloody dodo? i can't help but laugh when FFXIV addicts like you make fun of animation , combat and strategy in other MMOS. Moreover, its a fair comparison because you can't find anything else to kill at lvl 20. The point of video was to show the variety of mobs you kill at low levels. Sorry but if there is only trash that is all you kill.
I asked this before, if you got such cool looking elite mobs/NM in FFXIV for lvl 20, go ahead make a video and post it here. I don't believe in empty words of FFXIV fans anymore. Let us make it fair shall we?
Nobody is calling a Dodo an "Elite" monster, lol.
Normal mob in XIV vs. Elite mob in tera... I would be incredibly surprised if tera didn't come out as the winner here.
Using LOL is like saying "my argument sucks but I still want to disagree".
And what is the strategy involved in killing a bloody dodo? i can't help but laugh when FFXIV addicts like you make fun of animation , combat and strategy in other MMOS. Moreover, its a fair comparison because you can't find anything else to kill at lvl 20. The point of video was to show the variety of mobs you kill at low levels. Sorry but if there is only trash that is all you kill.
I asked this before, if you got such cool looking elite mobs/NM in FFXIV for lvl 20, go ahead make a video and post it here. I don't believe in empty words of FFXIV fans anymore. Let us make it fair shall we?
Nobody is calling a Dodo an "Elite" monster, lol.
Normal mob in XIV vs. Elite mob in tera... I would be incredibly surprised if tera didn't come out as the winner here.
I think you didn't read the last two lines. if you think its unfair comparison go ahead and post video of NM/Elite mobs from FFXIV that you get to kill at lvl 20. You guys are missing the point of this topic.
Who could have thought that WOW could bring super power like USA to its knees?
Originally posted by Arcken
To put it in a nutshell, our society is about to hit the fan, grades are dropping, obesity is going up,childhood the USA is going to lose its super power status before too long, but hey, as long as we have a cheap method to babysit our kids, all will be well no? Im picking on WoW btw because its the beast that made all of this possible
I think you didn't read the last two lines. if you think its unfair comparison go ahead and post video of NM/Elite mobs from FFXIV that you get to kill at lvl 20. You guys are missing the point of this topic.
Not really unfair, but should be noted either way.
Using LOL is like saying "my argument sucks but I still want to disagree".
The only bad combat here is from FFXIV, don't try to bring other games down to that level.
I beg to differ.
The whole genre has bad combat, this isn't anything new. You don't play MMO's because they have "good combat" because "good" in MMO means fucking awful as far as other games are concerned.
Don't even try to act like this isn't the case.
Of course some people are content with less. It's hardly relevant though.
Using LOL is like saying "my argument sucks but I still want to disagree".
That is just your opinion bro, you got some weird taste in how combat should be. That does not hold true for the rest of us. XIV & Tera are totally different but that does not make them bad because we are talking about people's preference in what they like.
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The only bad combat here is from FFXIV, don't try to bring other games down to that level.
If you have played XIV and found the combat to be completely to your dislike thats fine, dont post your "taste/preference" as absolute truth though, in other words if you like flashy effects and need to bring down monsters big as houses in order to feel important thats fine but not everyone feels like thats what makes "good combat".
That is just your opinion bro, you got some weird taste in how combat should be. That does not hold true for the rest of us. XIV & Tera are totally different but that does not make them bad because we are talking about people's preference in what they like.
Yes it does. If some people prefer bad combat over good combat, yeah, that's just their preference. I doubt that applies to rest of you, or I'd seriously want to question the mental state of this forum.
Using LOL is like saying "my argument sucks but I still want to disagree".
The only bad combat here is from FFXIV, don't try to bring other games down to that level.
If you have played XIV and found the combat to be completely to your dislike thats fine, dont post your "taste/preference" as absolute truth though, in other words if you like flashy effects and need to bring down monsters big as houses in order to feel important thats fine but not everyone feels like thats what makes "good combat".
Easily the most boring combat in a game is found in FFXIV. If you find it good then that's your problem. C wut I did thar?
That is just your opinion bro, you got some weird taste in how combat should be. That does not hold true for the rest of us. XIV & Tera are totally different but that does not make them bad because we are talking about people's preference in what they like.
Yes it does. If some people prefer bad combat over good combat, yeah, that's just their preference. I doubt that applies to rest of you, or I'd seriously want to question the mental state of this forum.
Its a matter of taste... and preference, then ofc some games can have a very buggy system and mechanical problems but other then that I dont see who decided to make you the one that gets to decide what is universally good or bad for everyone.
If it wasnt for me already being aware of the reason, I would question how people can be so arrogant and put so little thought in the things they say when its over a internet forum.
The only bad combat here is from FFXIV, don't try to bring other games down to that level.
If you have played XIV and found the combat to be completely to your dislike thats fine, dont post your "taste/preference" as absolute truth though, in other words if you like flashy effects and need to bring down monsters big as houses in order to feel important thats fine but not everyone feels like thats what makes "good combat".
Easily the most boring combat in a game is found in FFXIV. If you find it good then that's your problem. C wut I did thar?
Actually if I find something enjoyable in something and manage to have fun and you dont manage to find that yourself, then you're the one who is missing out on being able to enjoy something and I dont see how thats a problem for me, more then it is a defect of yours.
That is just your opinion bro, you got some weird taste in how combat should be. That does not hold true for the rest of us. XIV & Tera are totally different but that does not make them bad because we are talking about people's preference in what they like.
Yes it does. If some people prefer bad combat over good combat, yeah, that's just their preference. I doubt that applies to rest of you, or I'd seriously want to question the mental state of this forum.
Who are you to decide what people should like or dislike, what is bad and what is good, what is right and what is wrong. Who do you think you are?
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Well then, there you go....the game is so hard 3 people do what 6 people do. Sorta like what one good pally does with a 5 man MOB in WoW huh? ^_^ Just as boring - just as long.
I dont think the challenge in Tera should lie withing the pve.
Hopefully there will a couple of har dungeons and world bosses later in the game but the real challenge is within the pvp.
The first boss in a game shouldn't really be that insanly hard if you ask me but it should be more of a learning fight.
hehehe dodo's can sleep, blind, slow, targets at least lol. an its a normal mob, with 2+ people fighting a hard ones yea the fight can be epic i guess lol, because then the other person is sleep while other is being raped... with blind on him :P can't wait for ff14 elite mobs even more now .
Sounds like the game will fail in the West and be extremely successful in the East, then.
Of course they'll try to make it more PvE centric for the West but you don't just simply change the emphasis the whole game is built on without adjusting the very core mechanics themselves... something they are not willing to do for the sake of making West maybe like this game.
Incase you didn't watch the end... they died. They didn't "do" anything.
He who keeps his cool best wins.
Where have you been Hyan, i've actually missed you.
I'd be all over XIV, even with it's lack of content, if my character had the freedom of motion of say WoW or any of it's clones.
Animation locks are a deal breaker for me, as it makes me feel i have no control over my character or the situation i'm in.
Oh and for the record, i'm not defending TERA, as i really have no interest in another Korean game. It does, however, seem to be more on track with what SE was trying to do with the whole positioning in combat and failed at. Again, a great idea that is limited by the combat mechanics SE chose to build the game around.
Aww<3
You know man, I agree with you that the current system just does not cut it. Movement during the battle is too slow for my liking, as it's hard to effectively position yourself so that you can get most out of your skills. I only tend to do that with select few skills, like Seismic Shock.
Also when a Dodo is doing their burp-skill, and I had just started my attack animation, that sucks as well.
Even if there is a penalty for cancelling your attack, it should be possible someway.
With the way they said they would make the combat feel faster paced, they should be on to this problem as well. I don't think it's unlikely. They, of course as with everything else wrong with the game, needed to see the disaster to act properly, but now I think what we can do is let them know what's up and they'll do something about it.
If they made it more like XII, that would be awesome already. Snappy animations, not sluggish. Faster movement during combat.
This thread is funny and sad at the same time. Have fun playing XIV boyz.
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2 combat animatons? did we watch the same video?
And what is the strategy involved in killing a bloody dodo? i can't help but laugh when FFXIV players make fun of animation , combat and strategy in other MMOS. Moreover, its a fair comparison because you can't find anything else to kill at lvl 20. The point of video was to show the variety of mobs you kill at low levels. Sorry but if there is only trash that is all you kill.
I asked this before, if you got such cool looking elite mobs/NM in FFXIV for lvl 20, go ahead make a video and post it here. I don't believe in empty words of FFXIV fans anymore. Let us make it fair shall we?
Who could have thought that WOW could bring super power like USA to its knees?
Originally posted by Arcken
To put it in a nutshell, our society is about to hit the fan, grades are dropping, obesity is going up,childhood the USA is going to lose its super power status before too long, but hey, as long as we have a cheap method to babysit our kids, all will be well no?
Im picking on WoW btw because its the beast that made all of this possible
Nobody is calling a Dodo an "Elite" monster, lol.
Normal mob in XIV vs. Elite mob in tera... I would be incredibly surprised if tera didn't come out as the winner here.
I think you didn't read the last two lines. if you think its unfair comparison go ahead and post video of NM/Elite mobs from FFXIV that you get to kill at lvl 20. You guys are missing the point of this topic.
Who could have thought that WOW could bring super power like USA to its knees?
Originally posted by Arcken
To put it in a nutshell, our society is about to hit the fan, grades are dropping, obesity is going up,childhood the USA is going to lose its super power status before too long, but hey, as long as we have a cheap method to babysit our kids, all will be well no?
Im picking on WoW btw because its the beast that made all of this possible
Not really unfair, but should be noted either way.
No friend, you are not alone in that feeling.
That's because we are comparing bad combat with bad combat.
Tera, XIV, or... Bayonetta? Tera, XIV, or... Dragon Age?
The only bad combat here is from FFXIV, don't try to bring other games down to that level.
I beg to differ.
The whole genre has bad combat, this isn't anything new. You don't play MMO's because they have "good combat" because "good" in MMO means fucking awful as far as other games are concerned.
Don't even try to act like this isn't the case.
Of course some people are content with less. It's hardly relevant though.
That is just your opinion bro, you got some weird taste in how combat should be. That does not hold true for the rest of us. XIV & Tera are totally different but that does not make them bad because we are talking about people's preference in what they like.
Velika: City of Wheels: Among the mortal races, the humans were the only one that never built cities or great empires; a curse laid upon them by their creator, Gidd, forced them to wander as nomads for twenty centuries...
If you have played XIV and found the combat to be completely to your dislike thats fine, dont post your "taste/preference" as absolute truth though, in other words if you like flashy effects and need to bring down monsters big as houses in order to feel important thats fine but not everyone feels like thats what makes "good combat".
Yes it does. If some people prefer bad combat over good combat, yeah, that's just their preference. I doubt that applies to rest of you, or I'd seriously want to question the mental state of this forum.
Easily the most boring combat in a game is found in FFXIV. If you find it good then that's your problem. C wut I did thar?
I expected XIV to have inferior combat to any real game from the very beginning...
and the game definitiely fullfilled those expectations.
Do you have anything relevant to say?
Its a matter of taste... and preference, then ofc some games can have a very buggy system and mechanical problems but other then that I dont see who decided to make you the one that gets to decide what is universally good or bad for everyone.
If it wasnt for me already being aware of the reason, I would question how people can be so arrogant and put so little thought in the things they say when its over a internet forum.
Also inferior to any other MMO.
Actually if I find something enjoyable in something and manage to have fun and you dont manage to find that yourself, then you're the one who is missing out on being able to enjoy something and I dont see how thats a problem for me, more then it is a defect of yours.
Who are you to decide what people should like or dislike, what is bad and what is good, what is right and what is wrong. Who do you think you are?
Velika: City of Wheels: Among the mortal races, the humans were the only one that never built cities or great empires; a curse laid upon them by their creator, Gidd, forced them to wander as nomads for twenty centuries...