Edit: Also funny how WoW enthusiasts are easily flustered calling clone when every other studio, including Blizzard borrowed from UO, EQ, Diablo, FFIX, etc., before it. Haha...well if that isn't the pot calling the kettle black, I dont know what is.
hope with "WoW enthusiasts " you didnt mean me. I dislike WoW with passion, i wouldnt touch it with a 10 foot pole.
and thats exactly why I find Rift laugthable and i wont touch it with a 20 foot pole, because its more of the same failsauce, just worse and with less content. a $60m clone that noone but a handful of moronic fanbois will play for any long, because most people who could be mildly interested in it already are playing WoW.
I'll be playing DCUO so at least I get a bare minimum of originality, while waiting for GW2
lol. And WAR was a copy of DAoC....lol...comon. The silliness of the argument can be endless and pointless. In all seriousness there are 2 realms to Rift, 2 factions. I wish there was a third, but there isn't. Regardless, there is no escaping the fact that all mmorpg games are amalgamations of what was before them, as should be the case to some extent with better coding and more involved pvevp, improved game-play dynamics, server stability, etc.
Rift will have RvR, Battleground, Raid, and Ppen-World PvP. To the extent that it interests some and not others is yet to be seen, but Trion is most serious about their business and investment in game-play than from what I've seen with most studios in the past few years. It might not have everything I want, as an Organic game-play enthusiast, but its' amalgamation of its' predecessors in combination with its' improvements makes it seem as though it does alot of things a bit better than its' predecessors.
Edit: Also funny how WoW enthusiasts are easily flustered calling clone when every other studio, including Blizzard borrowed from UO, EQ, Diablo, FFIX, etc., before it. Haha...well if that isn't the pot calling the kettle black, I dont know what is.
hope with "WoW enthusiasts " you didnt mean me. I dislike WoW with passion, i wouldnt touch it with a 10 foot pole.
I'll be playing DCUO so at least I get a bare minimum of originality, while waiting for GW2
Please do. I found DCUO to be the epitome of shallow. But see how some folks have different tastes.
I put "MMORPG gamers" in quotes. That means they didn't join wow looking to play a MMORPG, they just wanted to play a game. So they certainly aren't looking for some new MMORPG to play. WoW is all they know. Most folks I know in WoW say, "RIFT WHO?" That was my point. RIFT marketers should be showing how the game can stand on it's own merit, not by name dropping WoW. Those same people made the same mistake in WAR by trying to say that WoW was the Beatles and WAR was Led Zepplin.
Rift only started advertising not too long ago. And I didn't see any TV ads like WoW did. Name dropping WoW is the best way to set up some sort of expectation. At least to say what the game is about.
The demise of WAR has more to do with the low quality of the game at launch than it being somewhat similar to WoW.
I put "MMORPG gamers" in quotes. That means they didn't join wow looking to play a MMORPG, they just wanted to play a game. So they certainly aren't looking for some new MMORPG to play. WoW is all they know. Most folks I know in WoW say, "RIFT WHO?" That was my point. RIFT marketers should be showing how the game can stand on it's own merit, not by name dropping WoW. Those same people made the same mistake in WAR by trying to say that WoW was the Beatles and WAR was Led Zepplin.
Rift only started advertising not too long ago. And I didn't see any TV ads like WoW did. Name dropping WoW is the best way to set up some sort of expectation. At least to say what the game is about.
The demise of WAR has more to do with the low quality of the game at launch than it being somewhat similar to WoW.
When I bought WAR at release, there was a mass DVD error where the game didn't properly install the EXE file and thus, could not launch the game. After searching google, you had to go to a Third party website to get the official fix from EA, which was the EXE file, then you had to paste it in and go to one of the config files and set the parameters as the faulty installer they shipped and never tested didn't do it. No customer should have to do all this just to play the game.
As soon as I heard Rift had former WAR devs working on it, I lost all interest in the development and the game. When the NDA was lifted, my visions were fact, perfect WAR clone in the graphics department with WoW copy/paste job.
I put "MMORPG gamers" in quotes. That means they didn't join wow looking to play a MMORPG, they just wanted to play a game. So they certainly aren't looking for some new MMORPG to play. WoW is all they know. Most folks I know in WoW say, "RIFT WHO?" That was my point. RIFT marketers should be showing how the game can stand on it's own merit, not by name dropping WoW. Those same people made the same mistake in WAR by trying to say that WoW was the Beatles and WAR was Led Zepplin.
Rift only started advertising not too long ago. And I didn't see any TV ads like WoW did. Name dropping WoW is the best way to set up some sort of expectation. At least to say what the game is about.
The demise of WAR has more to do with the low quality of the game at launch than it being somewhat similar to WoW.
When I bought WAR at release, there was a mass DVD error where the game didn't properly install the EXE file and thus, could not launch the game. After searching google, you had to go to a Third party website to get the official fix from EA, which was the EXE file, then you had to paste it in and go to one of the config files and set the parameters as the faulty installer they shipped and never tested didn't do it. No customer should have to do all this just to play the game.
Right. Thank goodness Trion doesn't suffer from this type of install flaw. And with digital downloads, and actually experienceing connectivity and stability, Im glad to report that mass DVD errors arent going to happen with me.
Warhammer was very "Were gonna be WAY better than WoW" with all their podcasts and smacktalk as well. They didn't make an actual video like this one but they yakked enough big talk up.
They made such an unrealistic expectation of the game that when people played it, they couldn't believe they said all that. Especially considering how most everything was broken, lagged or downright stupid.
Now that game is on life support with EA trying to kick the plug out of the ventilator with it's foot. No one is subbing and those playing are leaving and all this for just under 100 million and a barrel of smacktalk.
Rift would be smart to just make their game and concentrate on that since there are people who want to leave WoW anyways.
But if you build up their hopes and they find it's not even as good as WoW, they'll never let you hear the end of it.
Still nothing that is going to make me say, Oh yeah lets start a level 1 character in a new mmo.
Rofl. How can people rag on WoW and then say they are going to play this, it is hilarious. At this point it must be a hate of the company and not the game, and that is coming from someone with a currently cancelled WoW account. That combat looked so pathetic and boring. Those animations are horrible. People will get bored of this in a month or two because it is the same thing they have already played. Once the new graphics wear off so will the illusion that they are playing something "new".
It's surprising that there are still game developers out there who think gamers want another WoW, only newer and modified ...more in perception than actual mechanics. Be that as it may, these guys had already made their decision and are stuck with it now. At this point it seems like a panic move.
But it serves them right. They thought they could sell us on "new" and "different" simply by giving us "Rifts"? That's just another way of doing the same thing. Presenting us with spawns. Big deal. Like any such change, it would be sort of cool at first, but won't take long before we realize we're just doing the same thing all over again. And that the world we play in is still a bland carboard backdrop with no meaning to it. Just another level grind.
I see a lot of people saying they were bored or uninterested in the rifts.
For me that was my favorite part of the game and the only thing that really set it aside. I love the rifts.
I love the guy that says hes played WoW for so long and that Rift looks amazing. It certainly does look amazing, if you want to play WoW in a different setting. I dont, and will not. I played WoW for 6 years, Rift is not something i want to move on to.
It is a beautiful game.
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It was funny...but I can't help but wonder if the game that beats wow is the one the challenges it? I guess what I'm trying to say is...I think the game that beats wow will be the game that is being developed to be fun, original, and smooth running without thinking that they can take down wow. They are just concerned with making the best game that they can.
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It was funny...but I can't help but wonder if the game that beats wow is the one the challenges it? I guess what I'm trying to say is...I think the game that beats wow will be the game that is being developed to be fun, original, and smooth running without thinking that they can take down wow. They are just concerned with making the best game that they can.
I agree, if a game topples WoW it will be something original that hasn't been done yet. A standard fantasy mmorpg isn't going to beat WoW.
It won't beat WoW, but with that advertisement it has WoW players looking at it. A good deal of people who have quit WoW will look at it too. I personally think Rift is going a little too themepark for my tastes at this point, but people who are fans of that sort of leveling scheme should really give it a look.
It is a great idea to bash WoW though, because even if alot of people start attacking back any publicity is good publicity. The worst thing Blizzard could do would be to retaliate. It would get a lot of their players attention, and a lot of their players are getting bored of the same old same old. If they have fun endgame content who knows, maybe WoW will have a run for its money. Though, I doubt that scenario at this point.
It's surprising that there are still game developers out there who think gamers want another WoW, only newer and modified ...more in perception than actual mechanics. Be that as it may, these guys had already made their decision and are stuck with it now. At this point it seems like a panic move.
But it serves them right. They thought they could sell us on "new" and "different" simply by giving us "Rifts"? That's just another way of doing the same thing. Presenting us with spawns. Big deal. Like any such change, it would be sort of cool at first, but won't take long before we realize we're just doing the same thing all over again. And that the world we play in is still a bland carboard backdrop with no meaning to it. Just another level grind.
Yeah, it's would be like Pepsi going after Coke in their commercials... wait, nevermind.
I put "MMORPG gamers" in quotes. That means they didn't join wow looking to play a MMORPG, they just wanted to play a game. So they certainly aren't looking for some new MMORPG to play. WoW is all they know. Most folks I know in WoW say, "RIFT WHO?" That was my point. RIFT marketers should be showing how the game can stand on it's own merit, not by name dropping WoW. Those same people made the same mistake in WAR by trying to say that WoW was the Beatles and WAR was Led Zepplin.
Rift only started advertising not too long ago. And I didn't see any TV ads like WoW did. Name dropping WoW is the best way to set up some sort of expectation. At least to say what the game is about.
The demise of WAR has more to do with the low quality of the game at launch than it being somewhat similar to WoW.
When I bought WAR at release, there was a mass DVD error where the game didn't properly install the EXE file and thus, could not launch the game. After searching google, you had to go to a Third party website to get the official fix from EA, which was the EXE file, then you had to paste it in and go to one of the config files and set the parameters as the faulty installer they shipped and never tested didn't do it. No customer should have to do all this just to play the game.
As soon as I heard Rift had former WAR devs working on it, I lost all interest in the development and the game. When the NDA was lifted, my visions were fact, perfect WAR clone in the graphics department with WoW copy/paste job.
As I understand it there is ONE ex-WAR dev working on the Rift project. Don't make it sound like the entire WAR team just moved to Trion. This game doesn't look like WAR, doesn't play like WAR, and doesn't crash like WAR.
If you continue to insist that Rift is a WAR clone "in the graphics department" it is time to get your eyes checked. They really look nothing alike at all. People who didn't know any better started saying that because it uses the gamebryo engine but Rift has modified almost everything about the engine, specifically graphics and lighting. So to say it looks like WAR is just to underscore your lack of credibility.
I'm getting the feeling that all these people who say that Rift is "bashing" or "attacking" WOW in any way aren't exactly getting the reference.
So just in case you're not aware, the phrase is referencing Dorothy's famous line from Wizard of Oz "Toto, I've a feeling we're not in Kansas anymore". Since the phrase first appeared it's been used universally to state that your environment has changed from something comfortable, or something you're used to.
Unless you think Dorothy was "bashing" her home state of Kansas, you're totally blowing Trion's statement out of proportion.
I'm getting the feeling that all these people who say that Rift is "bashing" or "attacking" WOW in any way aren't exactly getting the reference.
So just in case you're not aware, the phrase is referencing Dorothy's famous line from Wizard of Oz "Toto, I've a feeling we're not in Kansas anymore". Since the phrase first appeared it's been used universally to state that your environment has changed from something comfortable, or something you're used to.
Unless you think Dorothy was "bashing" her home state of Kansas, you're totally blowing Trion's statement out of proportion.
Instead of saying Kansas or some land from another game as LOTR or DDO or any other mmorpg out they picked WoW.
The point is taken, and yes it is a challenge to WoW from Rift which is just funny.
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Looking at the waves this statement made I can only say the Rift boys made a slam dunk.
Everybody is talking about their game now.
This.
Now matter what I tihnk of the game and how well it succeeds,Trion just successfully trolled MMORPG.com and other MMO fan sites...they win teh internetz
When will these moronic publishers realize that you can't kill WoW with a WoW clone. Do they have ANY understanding of how the market works? Those that play WoW are an isolated, outlier group. They don't play other MMOs, most don't know the genre even exists. You're not going to pull them away, especially not with a game that plays exactly like the game they're already playing. Hence why all the previous WoW clones have failed.
I'm getting the feeling that all these people who say that Rift is "bashing" or "attacking" WOW in any way aren't exactly getting the reference.
So just in case you're not aware, the phrase is referencing Dorothy's famous line from Wizard of Oz "Toto, I've a feeling we're not in Kansas anymore". Since the phrase first appeared it's been used universally to state that your environment has changed from something comfortable, or something you're used to.
Unless you think Dorothy was "bashing" her home state of Kansas, you're totally blowing Trion's statement out of proportion.
Instead of saying Kansas or some land from another game as LOTR or DDO or any other mmorpg out they picked WoW.
The point is taken, and yes it is a challenge to WoW from Rift which is just funny.
Why would they pick something besides WOW? It's well known that WOW is the "Kansas" in this analogy. It's every MMO player's comfortable home.
I'm getting the feeling that all these people who say that Rift is "bashing" or "attacking" WOW in any way aren't exactly getting the reference.
So just in case you're not aware, the phrase is referencing Dorothy's famous line from Wizard of Oz "Toto, I've a feeling we're not in Kansas anymore". Since the phrase first appeared it's been used universally to state that your environment has changed from something comfortable, or something you're used to.
Unless you think Dorothy was "bashing" her home state of Kansas, you're totally blowing Trion's statement out of proportion.
Instead of saying Kansas or some land from another game as LOTR or DDO or any other mmorpg out they picked WoW.
The point is taken, and yes it is a challenge to WoW from Rift which is just funny.
Why would they pick something besides WOW? It's well known that WOW is the "Kansas" in this analogy. It's every MMO player's comfortable home.
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hope with "WoW enthusiasts " you didnt mean me. I dislike WoW with passion, i wouldnt touch it with a 10 foot pole.
and thats exactly why I find Rift laugthable and i wont touch it with a 20 foot pole, because its more of the same failsauce, just worse and with less content. a $60m clone that noone but a handful of moronic fanbois will play for any long, because most people who could be mildly interested in it already are playing WoW.
I'll be playing DCUO so at least I get a bare minimum of originality, while waiting for GW2
lol. And WAR was a copy of DAoC....lol...comon. The silliness of the argument can be endless and pointless. In all seriousness there are 2 realms to Rift, 2 factions. I wish there was a third, but there isn't. Regardless, there is no escaping the fact that all mmorpg games are amalgamations of what was before them, as should be the case to some extent with better coding and more involved pvevp, improved game-play dynamics, server stability, etc.
Rift will have RvR, Battleground, Raid, and Ppen-World PvP. To the extent that it interests some and not others is yet to be seen, but Trion is most serious about their business and investment in game-play than from what I've seen with most studios in the past few years. It might not have everything I want, as an Organic game-play enthusiast, but its' amalgamation of its' predecessors in combination with its' improvements makes it seem as though it does alot of things a bit better than its' predecessors.
Please do. I found DCUO to be the epitome of shallow. But see how some folks have different tastes.
Rift only started advertising not too long ago. And I didn't see any TV ads like WoW did. Name dropping WoW is the best way to set up some sort of expectation. At least to say what the game is about.
The demise of WAR has more to do with the low quality of the game at launch than it being somewhat similar to WoW.
When I bought WAR at release, there was a mass DVD error where the game didn't properly install the EXE file and thus, could not launch the game. After searching google, you had to go to a Third party website to get the official fix from EA, which was the EXE file, then you had to paste it in and go to one of the config files and set the parameters as the faulty installer they shipped and never tested didn't do it. No customer should have to do all this just to play the game.
As soon as I heard Rift had former WAR devs working on it, I lost all interest in the development and the game. When the NDA was lifted, my visions were fact, perfect WAR clone in the graphics department with WoW copy/paste job.
Right. Thank goodness Trion doesn't suffer from this type of install flaw. And with digital downloads, and actually experienceing connectivity and stability, Im glad to report that mass DVD errors arent going to happen with me.
Yeah, not sure this is a good idea.
Warhammer was very "Were gonna be WAY better than WoW" with all their podcasts and smacktalk as well. They didn't make an actual video like this one but they yakked enough big talk up.
They made such an unrealistic expectation of the game that when people played it, they couldn't believe they said all that. Especially considering how most everything was broken, lagged or downright stupid.
Now that game is on life support with EA trying to kick the plug out of the ventilator with it's foot. No one is subbing and those playing are leaving and all this for just under 100 million and a barrel of smacktalk.
Rift would be smart to just make their game and concentrate on that since there are people who want to leave WoW anyways.
But if you build up their hopes and they find it's not even as good as WoW, they'll never let you hear the end of it.
What moron came up with this publicity idea, lol?
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Rofl. How can people rag on WoW and then say they are going to play this, it is hilarious. At this point it must be a hate of the company and not the game, and that is coming from someone with a currently cancelled WoW account. That combat looked so pathetic and boring. Those animations are horrible. People will get bored of this in a month or two because it is the same thing they have already played. Once the new graphics wear off so will the illusion that they are playing something "new".
It's surprising that there are still game developers out there who think gamers want another WoW, only newer and modified ...more in perception than actual mechanics. Be that as it may, these guys had already made their decision and are stuck with it now. At this point it seems like a panic move.
But it serves them right. They thought they could sell us on "new" and "different" simply by giving us "Rifts"? That's just another way of doing the same thing. Presenting us with spawns. Big deal. Like any such change, it would be sort of cool at first, but won't take long before we realize we're just doing the same thing all over again. And that the world we play in is still a bland carboard backdrop with no meaning to it. Just another level grind.
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I see a lot of people saying they were bored or uninterested in the rifts.
For me that was my favorite part of the game and the only thing that really set it aside. I love the rifts.
I love the guy that says hes played WoW for so long and that Rift looks amazing. It certainly does look amazing, if you want to play WoW in a different setting. I dont, and will not. I played WoW for 6 years, Rift is not something i want to move on to.
It is a beautiful game.
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It was funny...but I can't help but wonder if the game that beats wow is the one the challenges it? I guess what I'm trying to say is...I think the game that beats wow will be the game that is being developed to be fun, original, and smooth running without thinking that they can take down wow. They are just concerned with making the best game that they can.
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I agree, if a game topples WoW it will be something original that hasn't been done yet. A standard fantasy mmorpg isn't going to beat WoW.
It won't beat WoW, but with that advertisement it has WoW players looking at it. A good deal of people who have quit WoW will look at it too. I personally think Rift is going a little too themepark for my tastes at this point, but people who are fans of that sort of leveling scheme should really give it a look.
It is a great idea to bash WoW though, because even if alot of people start attacking back any publicity is good publicity. The worst thing Blizzard could do would be to retaliate. It would get a lot of their players attention, and a lot of their players are getting bored of the same old same old. If they have fun endgame content who knows, maybe WoW will have a run for its money. Though, I doubt that scenario at this point.
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What a waste of bits...
Yeah, it's would be like Pepsi going after Coke in their commercials... wait, nevermind.
As I understand it there is ONE ex-WAR dev working on the Rift project. Don't make it sound like the entire WAR team just moved to Trion. This game doesn't look like WAR, doesn't play like WAR, and doesn't crash like WAR.
If you continue to insist that Rift is a WAR clone "in the graphics department" it is time to get your eyes checked. They really look nothing alike at all. People who didn't know any better started saying that because it uses the gamebryo engine but Rift has modified almost everything about the engine, specifically graphics and lighting. So to say it looks like WAR is just to underscore your lack of credibility.
I'm getting the feeling that all these people who say that Rift is "bashing" or "attacking" WOW in any way aren't exactly getting the reference.
So just in case you're not aware, the phrase is referencing Dorothy's famous line from Wizard of Oz "Toto, I've a feeling we're not in Kansas anymore". Since the phrase first appeared it's been used universally to state that your environment has changed from something comfortable, or something you're used to.
Unless you think Dorothy was "bashing" her home state of Kansas, you're totally blowing Trion's statement out of proportion.
Instead of saying Kansas or some land from another game as LOTR or DDO or any other mmorpg out they picked WoW.
The point is taken, and yes it is a challenge to WoW from Rift which is just funny.
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Looking at the waves this statement made I can only say the Rift boys made a slam dunk.
Everybody is talking about their game now.
<Claps hands>
Wow... even after all the other "WoW-killers" out there, The Rift folks are STILL gonna go there, huh?
Can't wait to necro some of these threads...
This.
Now matter what I tihnk of the game and how well it succeeds,Trion just successfully trolled MMORPG.com and other MMO fan sites...they win teh internetz
When will these moronic publishers realize that you can't kill WoW with a WoW clone. Do they have ANY understanding of how the market works? Those that play WoW are an isolated, outlier group. They don't play other MMOs, most don't know the genre even exists. You're not going to pull them away, especially not with a game that plays exactly like the game they're already playing. Hence why all the previous WoW clones have failed.
Why would they pick something besides WOW? It's well known that WOW is the "Kansas" in this analogy. It's every MMO player's comfortable home.
Most MMO players hate WoW.
Most casual/coop online game players like WoW.