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It finally happened....The WOW Killer. RIFT!!!!
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Their have been people on the opposite side to, one guy comes to mind that created an account to just bash te game, and has posted probably over a hundred posts now, and 90%+ are bashing rift.
People can grab a key and try it out for free, if they are so weak minded that they must follow the hive, and play something they hate, then I guess their is no help for them. Beta don't cost a penny.
everyone has differnt taste, ya know? i loved wow, played it on and off from vanilla to 3.0.9, got bored of it a few times and left it for good. i also played other numerous mmos, including rift beta. MAN is rift boring, i hate the lame combat system, feels reall slow, graphics only looking a tick better than wow, nothing spectacular, rest isnt my thing. so no, rift isnt a wow killer, it may be an alternative for other players, but it is and will defenatly not be a wow killer. so gtfo and hide in ure little pink bubble.
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The only thing that can happen to WOW to impact it in a negative way is for a few games, Rift, TOR and GW2 take a huge portion of the western players. If WOW has 6 million western players, that being the US and EU and the rest is from the east, then i can't see even if that happened how WOW would suffer at all.
WOW may lose a lot of western gamers, but those that are still totally commited to the game will never leave. So to say, that this game or that game is the WOW killer, is a paradox in itself.
My prediction on the mmo genre in 2011. Rift comes out, the people that loved WAR and some that are totally tired of WOW will leave for it. TOR comes out, most if not all the SWG players that loves SW that play WOW and other games will jump ship for it. Bioware brings in a lot of their fans from their console games as well as SW fans and ends up probably somewhere in the same place that WOW is in the west. GW2 pulls a lot from GW and since it is BTP and doesn't have a monthly fee brings in a very nice amount of players that want a chnage of pace from the other game they subscribe too.
Still, even with that, WOW will have it's millions and millions of players and life will go on.
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WoW players? They've been doing it for years!
Didn't a Sigil developer say Vanguard had a lot of core systems missing and needed to be rebuilt from the ground up?
And to be fair, SOE did buy it, FINISH/fix quest lines and optimize it to run on more systems and people still didn't want to play it. They even made the entire game free for a couple months if you played any station game. They even made it free for everyone multiple times. No one touched the game. People always say they would play it but they never mean it.
That's the problem with MMO's. People quit if it isn't "perfect". WOW was no where near perfect. But people didn't quit MMO's that easily back then and Blizzard was able to develop and build the game. Now, we kill the MMO if it isn't on Cataclysm level at day 1 of release.
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Ya, that's what people were saying about Warhammer and we know the outcome. Many will try Rift, reach cap level in less than a month, QQ about end game content, /ragequit and back to WoW.
It's a fresh start with some eye candy. It's still 2 factions, and of course there will be battle grounds because the concept of anything more is unattainable by the status quo of investors and developers who are looking for profit vs creativity.
We had 3 factions and handfuls of classes and races as far back as 2001 (Dark Age of Camelot). For Christ's sakes, when is a company going to stop feeding into the WoW crowd and go back to raising the bar.
Siege warfare
Player and Guild housing
PvP that affects all of the players, not just the ones that are out doing it for a gear set
Actual lore that means something - Planet Earth is buried in it - i.e., Norse Mythos, Arthurian Lore, Shaolin Temple of China and Samurai of Japan. Plenty to pull from.
I wish those who just want to start over from WoW luck. It's nice to see them move on at least. For the rest of us, however, I believe we are waiting for something more.
/My 2 cents.
The game is enjoyable, but honestly, I know what I'm buying in March, and it isn't Rift.
(It's Dragonage 2.)
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Trion may have anticipated this. What I've read about end game and heard (from alpha testers) is its damn good and (for release) there is a lot of it.
I don't doubt *some* gamers will do exactly as you predict. Let's just see what the numbers are in a few months.
Rift a WoW killer? LOL not even close. While the game will experience a bit of success, it will never get as many subscribers as WoW. Simply because it's a weaker rehash of the same formula. People like it, because it's new, it's polished and it's familiar. Once the novelty wears off and they realize that they are playing the game exact game they've been playing for 5+ years, people will start quitting in droves.
Moreover, WoW has become much more than a game, it's a social network for a lot of folks. There are a lot of people who maintain their WoW subscriptions in order to play with friends and family.
The only games that have a slight chance of being WoW killers are SWTOR and GW2 and even then, it will probably take both of them in order to put a serious dent into WoW's subscription base.
taken from my experience to level 8, so keep that in mind.
Funny you should say that. This game doesn't compare to WoW. AT all. It has quests. The basic workings of the class archtypes seems to be the same(rogues have the point based finishing system, for example), but that's it.
It compares to WAR. Now, it trounces WAR, sure. But the quest system shares the same pointlessness. The same stuff that made me quit vanilla WoW in '06 and made my time in WAR's unlimited trial last about 2 hours. You don't feel a build up to something big, and your rewards are just what you have now with higher stats or +2% dps.
The OP is gonna be sorely disappointed in 8 months. WoW's new 1-60 experience feels epic and it all fits together in a story. LotRO seems to get how important this is, as well. But the old WAR guys, it seems, didn't quite figure it out.
This game is counting on the rifts and soul system to avoid WAR's fate. And from what I've seen so far, it's not gonna be nearly enough.
Level 13+ is where the game feels a lot better than WoW and ofc WAR in my opinion, actually took me to level 15 until I started having true fun in RIFT, but gotta say, playing with guildies made the adventure aspect jump out and even reminded me of the old time MMOs like EQ, etc.
Get further in the game and you will see the changes are incredible, plus the fact that Trion seems like a dream company atm, very impressed with their humour and also dedication towards improvement.
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Sorry to say but just the core features of Rift alone make for a better game then WoW, after a year or so people will start to laugh at how lame WoW is and will be playing Rift if not already...
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I like Rift, enough to buy it, but I have no illusions that it's a WoW killer.
Solid 8/10 for my tastes. There are a lot of little things, here and there, that you can take off points for. I've seen a lot worse from other titles in end stage beta, but it is not as polished as I'd prefer.
It DID throw a monkey wrench into my recent return to WoW after a long time away from the game. Leveled a character 1 to 83 since Cataclysm came out and found some fresh fun this time around, after a couple failed attempts to return over the last three years. For me, however, level 80+ in WoW is horrible and undid everything good they accomplished with the 1-80 experience. Stat inflation went too far overboard and class balance is non-existant (Which is ironic, since Blizz said they were focusing on level 85 balance, with out promising balance at other level ranges. It turned out that pre-80 balance is much, much better than 80+).
I haven't had much luck enjoying WoW since participating in the Rift beta, so it did sort of kill WoW for me, but I also feel little certainty in predicting that I'll still be playing Rift in three months.
Time will only tell how this game holds up in future months, but I personally don't think it's the "perfect 10" or even "awesome 9" most of us have been waiting for.
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WoW Killer...not likely.
OP is going too far with the statement. Rift will do well, but it will in no way replicate the numbers that WoW had or currently has.
Don't get me wrong, Rift is a well-polished game with a number of decent features... but it feels so familiar that I don't feel any motivation to really get into it. I've gotten to level 10 and I just can't bring myself to log in for the beta.
Also they should focus on improving character animations, because they seem a little half-assed - especially archery... it feels WAY too stiff.
The rifts are a cool addition, and I really enjoyed the atmosphere of the starter areas, especially the Guardian one. Maybe I'll get into it more when I know my character is permanent... but I probably just won't bother spending the money on this one.
I tried the Beta. was far from impressed. if you're looking for something other than wow, sure I guess. If you're looking for a game you can get lost in, recapture the feeling games like EQ1 or VG had for alot of people, you're looking for something far different than I am that's for sure OP.
Proof that a picture is worth a thousand words, and also a good image to show the WoW vs. Rift situation, in my opinion, and I don't even care for WoW any more, but I still know better than to proclaim RIFT to be a "WoW killer." Seriously?
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I really hope Rift does NOT pick up the number of subs that WoW has, that is exactly why the community there sucks big ones. And to all the people here claiming they KNOW Rift isn't a great game because they played it until someplace under level 20......pahlease, sit down and shut up already really. You haven't scratched the surface of the game yet, your still in the newb zone - Goldshire anyone?!?!
Ok, ok, ok you can say "well how far do I have to play to know I hate it", the answer is you dont even have to play it to find that out. Either your open minded and willing to try something out, really try it out before passing judgement, or your not. If you walk into a new five star resturant and order a cheeseburger, then proceed to tell everyone the food sucks there....well, your one of THOSE people and nobody can discuss anythign with you anyway, so I'm not about to try either.
Rift is not going to be the single WoW killer, but its a start towards it. WoW has already begun to kill itself with Cataclysm as predicted. Even the hardcore fanbois of WoW are becoming burnt out on it now because the shine is wearing off the new gift wrapping. And since that is happening, more and more of WoWs base are looking elsewhere, Rift just happens to be one of the places they can go and jump right into without much effort. And as more and more games come out like TERA, GW2 and Archage come out over the next year or two you will see less and less of the market share owned by WoW.
The end is the same though, Blizzard has already started the WoW killer campaign all by themselves. Its just a matter of time for the numbers to trickle off to other places. Rift is only one of many to come to pick some of them up. Argue it all you want, thats just the truth of it.
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