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Those are two very true points that I agree with. Rift is polished. I have no doubts about that because it is refreshing to see a game released in a relatively bug free and stable state. On the second point I will add that WoW is not the only game to make a profit. If EQ2, LotRO or any other MMO had not made a profit then they wouldn't be around today. But it will be refreshing to see that a game can possibly compete with WoW, not that Rift has yet.
My issue, as a veteran, is that Rift is setting a precedent and saying that this is how modern games should be. Can anyone say that Rift is an open and complex title? How can a title that is shallow and lacking in real content be a progression for the genre? Shouldn't games be getting bigger and more original? What if Valve had refused to make Portal because it was a new and refreshing idea and people wanted more of the same?
It's hard for me to pass on because I'm fed up of seeing this genre, that I love dearly, become washed out and stale. I feel i need to have a say and state my hope that a developer somewhere has the balls to do something innovative. Scott Hartsman doesn't.
An old scool game might not do as well as the Rifts and WoWs of this world but does that not mean it can't be successful? Though I see it is refreshing to see a game can compete with WoW, it does not mean that I believe a game has to. It seriously doesn't. The jam-packedness of Fippy Darkpaw, and the need for SOE to open a second progression server speaks volumes that there are enough people out there to appreciate a so-called hardcore title.
Does it all mean an old school, open and realistic game can not be made? No it doesn't. It would certainly be welcome.
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I'm playing Rift and I'm having lots of fun. It's running smooth. The public groups and Rift hunts are fun. The quests are typical mmo quests.
I think the graphics are great on hi res...perhaps OP has it on the default low res settings. The trees move, grass sways...great shadows and lighting everywhere, long distance of sight, everything looks natural with good textures.
Lots of collectibles and little side quests and fun stuff to do...I'm having a great time and expect to have a great time for a long time to come. This is only the vanilla version..it's only going to get better. It's better than WoW was at it's launch...for example.
Ahh the genre is safe. I've been running up the wrong path all these weeks since I played Rift and felt truly flabergasted at how much of a wreck it was.
Rift has polished sound. The grenre is back to its best.
Oh it's good that sound is taken as seriously as anything else about the game, but if you think that this covers up all the shallowness that Rift exhibits then you are sadly mistaken.
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Meaning and expectations are two different things. But honestly most next generation games are a re-hash of old games. Maybe graphics updated for new systems. I have not seen much else. Some of the more successful games of the previous generation were not really new or innovating. Wow and eq 2 were not. Eve was a mutation that did luck out and survive. But several other games that tried to be different and advance the Genre died horrible deaths. So why try to build something different that might on a slim chance survive (Creating new takes a lot more time and resources) or combine elements of previous games, update the graphics a bit and give yourself a chance to survive. To expect anything else is rather silly. Honestly most next gen games are merely an iteration of the same ol same ol, with shiney new graphics and maybe some elements from another game. The fact we as consumers are taken in by that phrase, and expect innovative from something next gen, is marketing.
I have this problem, you see, I keep going to the Toyota dealership to buy the new model of an AMC Pinto. Each year, Toyota comes out with new cars. There is plenty of information about the cars that are coming out - all the specs, videos, reviews by third parties, etc, etc.
Yet I keep going into the dealership to buy the new model of a Pinto. It is never there, so I find myself standing around the lobby of the dealership telling people that come in to buy a new Toyota (those that have researched the vehicles and made an informed decision) that they should not buy a Toyota because it is not a Pinto.
Some of them have the audacity to tell me that I should not be there. They tell me that the Pinto was not as great as I remember it to be, but I know it was the best car ever and the future of the automobile industry depends on a new version of the Pinto being made available.
You see, I have this problem...
I miss the MMORPG genre. Will a developer ever make one again?
Explorer: 87%, Killer: 67%, Achiever: 27%, Socializer: 20%
Gotta love these kinds of logical fallacies that Rift is both a meaningless and sterile wasteland of rehashed clone nothingness, and yet at the same time has the power to completely define the creative standard for the entire MMORPG industry.
Also have to love the unmitigated arrogance and delusions of grandure of some MMO players when they act like they not only know what is best for the entire MMO genre but also feel their OPINIONS speak for all of us.
"Gypsies, tramps, and thieves, we were called by the Admin of the site . . . "
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VirusDancer, you are my hero!!
"Gypsies, tramps, and thieves, we were called by the Admin of the site . . . "
See this is why I don't psot often..... someone always puts things much better than I can lol.
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Cars are improved with each new model...safety, performance, handling etc etc.
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The lack of posts makes for a lack of credibility, to start with. And then there's the whole "do not buy this game" imperative. First (or first few) posts with substance and reason that allow for people to make their own decisions don't typically get called out.
Rift is doing as much for the rpg community as wh/aion/allods/etc have done in the past year...which is....making it a worse place to spend your hard earned money, by having a curtain/facade of half truths spread around a half baked product, making us believe our investment is worth their product and that they worked hard for our cash and further more will work hard for more of it. The whole advertising/selling a game and extra content has become more of a game than developing the actual games themselves. Regards, fat cat industries.
To the OP...Too late...Bought it...Played it... Love it.......Will keep playing it.
People should be required to submit to truth tests. Don't comment if you don't know what you're talking about. By far the most polished launch.
first post just so happens to be trash talking a new game...
it's a metaphor for the game...
I stated my reasons in another post. I feel the genre is headed towards staleness and I love this genre very much. I play single player games but I always have that deep desire to be playing an MMO. I followed Rift hard for a long time and really wanted something new. Even many of the pre-release interviews and videos made me feel that it could. Russ Brown's comments, to the Italian MMO people, about how Trion hated hand-holding quest systems will live long in my memory. Where did that go? I'd love to know.
I think developers are scared or unwilling to make a deep and realistic game because they know what makes money. You could say they are so blinded by the prospect of quick money that they won't put some effort in to make something that really is new and innovative. They know they can. I know Trion could have. They had the ability in abundance and what they have created is a shallow product not worthy of that ability.
It's sad and I feel the genre is becoming half as good as it could be. I don't think any other genre of gaming would be so content with such mediocre progression of game defining mechanics.
In my opinion. Though I think that was obvious. I do know what you were saying though, and I know you were asking a serious question. I can't understand how it is so hard for people to accpet why I chat in threads like this and why I keep harping on about how I feel the genre is in freefall. It's a good place to try and understand.
I'll say again that I love this genre. No other games have ever given me so much enjoyment and memories because I love being in a world and enjoying my gaming with other people. I justw ant to see it progress and step away from the shallowness that seems to have seeped in like a gaping wound.
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Thank you for the response. It sheds some light on why you feel the way you do. I deleted the post you quoted as I have become leary about posting certain things on the forums for fear of moderation or warnings. I think the thing I don't understand is why it seems to bothter you that others enjoy this game and don't find it shallow. Let's face it the genre has gone the direction it has gone and is probably not going to do a 180 anytime soon. There fore as my forum quote says " I enjoy games for what they are not what I want them to be." You are free to call it settling or what ever I call it just having fun. Have a good one man.
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Yes, I know that. It's a metaphor for EQ. My point still stands though. Cars are improved with each new model but I fail to see the improvement in Rift.
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Thanks for understanding. You made a good post and there's no reason to worry about what you wrote as long as you make well written and respectful posts. You did. You asked questions that are allowed to be asked. I am an outsider here.
I know I should sit back and relax, just letting people get on with it, but I feel a need to be proactive to save the genre I love. I know my efforts make little headway and people like Scott Hartsman are not going to start saying 'oh Holifeet wants the genre to improve so let's scrap Rift and make something better', but I feel at least I make my feelings known.
I'm enjoying the EQ progression server but i do have an aching, nagging feeling that I'd like to be doing that in a new, graphically stunning MMO. Will I ever get the chance to do so again? I don't know. I just know how I feel about Rift's contribution to this amazing genre. Saying what's wrong might stir something somewhere.
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For me Rift is really a let down.
I can understand the op.
Maybeeeee, when you give the damn bad first impression no notice and play it longer, it might get better. But I really have no time for this. My time and the time of so many causual gamers is expencive, we want to have a blast from the start with great grafics , great animation, fun gameplay and many things to look forward to.
And why the f... it does matter if this is his first post with a new acc ???
For me his opinion is even much more worth, then one of damn trolls who spend their lifetime in this forum.
Dude there is no way you should get any money back. You knew this was an EQ clones, you knew it offered absolutely nothing new. You knew it was the same old tired shitty excuse for a game that developers have been pumping out, the same that 11 million assholes play on a daily basis!
No way can you possibly justify getting your money back. Next time think before buying. Also you might like to try out some more innovative games like Xsyon, Mortal Online, Darkfall, Eve, etc.
Well speaking as a fellow MMORPG vet from the days of UO, I'm sorry to say that the only epiphany your continuous negetive posts and the similar actions by other likeminded posters in the Rift game forums, has aroused in me, is to make me finally understand why the younger generation of MMO fans think we old vets are nothing better than grouchy, snobish, elitist, bellyaching, dickheads.
And no i'm not calling you a dickhead, I'm just saying I now understand why some people might forumlate that opinion.
Sharing your thoughts is one thing, but when you continue to push your agenda far past the point of commoncourtesy (and common sense) all you do is alienate people who might otherwise have given your ideas resonable consideration. And in doing so have actually done your cause more harm than good.
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