I'm sorry, but people who can't see what a great addition a user-generated content tool to an MMORPG can be have no heart for MMORPG's at all.
I wish that all MMORPG's would have something like that.
There's nothing wrong with it at all; it just shouldn't be used to replace the content that should have been there from the start.
"Oh my, how horrible, someone is criticizing a MMO. Oh yeah, that is what a forum is about, looking at both sides. You rather have to be critical of anything in this genre as of late because the track record of these major studios has just been appalling." -Ozmodan
"I dont disagree that more people would play Klingon if they had had more content at launch. However, the fact that every single Trek show and movie is about the Feds means that the vast majority of players will always want to play them, regardless of what condition the other factions are in."
To back that up, here is a poll someone posted back when everyone thought both factions would have equal content, and as you can see the vast majority would still have been Fed:
Is this a joke? Did you actually pay attention to how many people bothered to vote? Not to mention that forum polls are not indicative of anything; as most companies say, only a small percentage of a game's base actually use the forums in the first place. Additionally, your poll follows the point I was making: there were more than 10-15% of the playerbase looking forward to making the Klingons their primary faction (almost double according to your poll).
"Oh my, how horrible, someone is criticizing a MMO. Oh yeah, that is what a forum is about, looking at both sides. You rather have to be critical of anything in this genre as of late because the track record of these major studios has just been appalling." -Ozmodan
I'm sorry, but people who can't see what a great addition a user-generated content tool to an MMORPG can be have no heart for MMORPG's at all.
I wish that all MMORPG's would have something like that.
hmm.. it is a really good addition to the game.. and if it had been there from the beginning.. perhaps the game wouldnt have had such a bad reputation as it does currently... better late than never i guess...
What about all the really important stuff the playerbase has been asking for like valid Klingon content, endgame content, VA level items and better PVP options?
As is the case with all MMOs, there is no universal agreement among the palyerbase about what is "important" and what is not. For example, about 85% of the playerbase plays Federation. Because of that, Klingon content isnt "important" to the majority of the playerbase. Furthermore, the majority of the playerbase in almost(key word) every MMO mainly PvEs. That being the case, PvP isnt "important" to the majority of the playerbase. All Cryptic(or any other developer) can do is try to please the majority of their customers while not completely ignoring the minority aspects of the game.
You honestly gonna tell us all that only a minority of the playerbase hates ground combat or cares about end game content, the two things the dev team should of been working on the moment the launch day bugs were fixed ?
The Launch day bugs are fixed? Well not all of them and someof them are just a pain to live with.
Yes, this game has its problems, just like every other MMO. I dont think anyone denies that. The difference between myself and some of the other people in this thread is I actually want the game to improve, while they just want to complain forever. Constantly complaining about mistakes that have already been made isnt going to change them. For my part I've seen the game improve and I'm enjoying it and I absolutely love the Foundry.
Yes, this game has its problems, just like every other MMO. I dont think anyone denies that. The difference between myself and some of the other people in this thread is I actually want the game to improve, while they just want to complain forever. Constantly complaining about mistakes that have already been made isnt going to change them. For my part I've seen the game improve and I'm enjoying it and I absolutely love the Foundry.
It's true that some people want STO to fail in a vain hope that another company will come along and do better. I fall into the group that believes there are serious gameplay problems in the cvore mechamics of the game itself, and those cannot be fixed without (as the devs have said in the past) significant changes to the engine. As for improvements, of course there have been some; the game set the bar so low on release that it had nowhere to go but up.
"Oh my, how horrible, someone is criticizing a MMO. Oh yeah, that is what a forum is about, looking at both sides. You rather have to be critical of anything in this genre as of late because the track record of these major studios has just been appalling." -Ozmodan
Yes, this game has its problems, just like every other MMO. I dont think anyone denies that. The difference between myself and some of the other people in this thread is I actually want the game to improve, while they just want to complain forever. Constantly complaining about mistakes that have already been made isnt going to change them. For my part I've seen the game improve and I'm enjoying it and I absolutely love the Foundry.
It's true that some people want STO to fail in a vain hope that another company will come along and do better. I fall into the group that believes there are serious gameplay problems in the cvore mechamics of the game itself, and those cannot be fixed without (as the devs have said in the past) significant changes to the engine. As for improvements, of course there have been some; the game set the bar so low on release that it had nowhere to go but up.
It basically boils down to this: I think the game can improve, you think it cant(because you think the core mechanics are flawed). Thats fine. But constantly complaining about something that you dont think can improve isnt going to change anything.
Yes, this game has its problems, just like every other MMO. I dont think anyone denies that. The difference between myself and some of the other people in this thread is I actually want the game to improve, while they just want to complain forever. Constantly complaining about mistakes that have already been made isnt going to change them. For my part I've seen the game improve and I'm enjoying it and I absolutely love the Foundry.
So what are the complaints that bother you ? Is it the fact that the engine is an upgraded version of CoX , which is about 10 years old now ? Is it the fact that in their desire to get this game onto consoles that hamstrung it to it's present condition? Is it the fact that they charge $15/mo sub for a game that also provides a C-Store? Is it the fact that game was released woefully unfinished ? ( Please save me the line that MMO's are never truely finished, because that's garbage. ) Is it the fact, that Cryptic's model depends on a paying player base to fill it's content deficiency, while they shift the Development team to other projects, to foist more fraud on the public ? Is it the fact that they charged people to test this game ? Is it the fact that they use the player base to alpha/beta test the basis of the next game that is due for release sometime this year?
I could keep going , but Cryptic's record is replete with transgressions that it quite literally makes me tired of thinking about them all. They constantly skirt the line of what is, in my opinion, ethical. Cryptic represents everything wrong with the MMO gaming industry and yet people wonder why others complain? I'm sorry it take the veneer off of all that is rosey to your enjoyment and you tire of reading those complaints . I too tire of people coming on and saying how wonderful or great or how hugely improved the game is, then only present cosmetic changes of said improvements. Then I'm being told I don't appreciate Star Trek or that I'm a hater. If there was something worth while Cryptic had done , I would be more complimentary, reskinning CO doesn't cut it . All I see from Cryptic are half -measures and frankly cynical pandering to the masses. Case in point ship interiors and retro ships. I want the IP to have a game truely representative of Trek as much as possible and still remain entertaining. I just don't see Cryptic as capable of it. I'm glad you like the foundry , but let's see how Cryptic's implementation goes. I assume since you like it so much , you'll be buying there next game ?
I love playing STO. I cancelled my RIFT sub because I found myself playing STO more than RIFT. I have yet to try any Foundry missions, but the link posted listed some ones that interest me.
Thanks again for posting that link. Having fun again in STO.
It basically boils down to this: I think the game can improve, you think it cant(because you think the core mechanics are flawed). Thats fine. But constantly complaining about something that you dont think can improve isnt going to change anything.
Next time, try a little reading comprehension: I said the game has improved; it had to, due to the condition it launched in. Cryptic's only choice was either work on it, thus improving it, or shut it down. If you don't like honest criticism about STO, then I suggest you stick to the official forums on the STO website; dissent is generally not tolerated there. When you come to these forums, you need to accept that there will be those who post that do not feel the same way about STO that you do. If you can't understand that, then I suggest reading the quote at the bottom of my posts.
"Oh my, how horrible, someone is criticizing a MMO. Oh yeah, that is what a forum is about, looking at both sides. You rather have to be critical of anything in this genre as of late because the track record of these major studios has just been appalling." -Ozmodan
What about all the really important stuff the playerbase has been asking for like valid Klingon content, endgame content, VA level items and better PVP options?
As is the case with all MMOs, there is no universal agreement among the palyerbase about what is "important" and what is not. For example, about 85% of the playerbase plays Federation. Because of that, Klingon content isnt "important" to the majority of the playerbase. Furthermore, the majority of the playerbase in almost(key word) every MMO mainly PvEs. That being the case, PvP isnt "important" to the majority of the playerbase. All Cryptic(or any other developer) can do is try to please the majority of their customers while not completely ignoring the minority aspects of the game.
A little thing called cause and effect . If you make something that sucks sooo badly , the majority will bypass the experience based upon the testamony of those that went before . Hence 85% play Fed , because the Klingon experience has been and is still extremely abysmal. The faction that is the PvP faction holds little interest to the majority of the Fed PvE players. They've artifically scued the numbers and made the situation unbearably bad. FYI they've been ignoring the minority for the better part of a year . So please spare the community the platitudes.
What amuses me about the vamp's thoughts on the matter is that all this isn't even counting all the people who have voted with their wallets and just left the game, period.
"I dont disagree that more people would play Klingon if they had had more content at launch. However, the fact that every single Trek show and movie is about the Feds means that the vast majority of players will always want to play them, regardless of what condition the other factions are in."
To back that up, here is a poll someone posted back when everyone thought both factions would have equal content, and as you can see the vast majority would still have been Fed:
Is this a joke? Did you actually pay attention to how many people bothered to vote? Not to mention that forum polls are not indicative of anything; as most companies say, only a small percentage of a game's base actually use the forums in the first place. Additionally, your poll follows the point I was making: there were more than 10-15% of the playerbase looking forward to making the Klingons their primary faction (almost double according to your poll).
Fun devil's advocate aside: Since Cryptic passed 1 million forum website registrations last year, they have 12.5 million people playing STO and they are taking down Wow!
Apples & oranges. Forum regs do not equate to active players. You don't even have to be a player to get a forum account. If someone is registered on the CoH forum, they're automatically registered on STO's forum. Also a good chunk of STO's regs are from the beta era and many of those ppl boycotted STO. Add in the banned and multi-accounts and you'll find that Cryptic's numbers are more fluff than substance.
"I dont disagree that more people would play Klingon if they had had more content at launch. However, the fact that every single Trek show and movie is about the Feds means that the vast majority of players will always want to play them, regardless of what condition the other factions are in."
To back that up, here is a poll someone posted back when everyone thought both factions would have equal content, and as you can see the vast majority would still have been Fed:
Is this a joke? Did you actually pay attention to how many people bothered to vote? Not to mention that forum polls are not indicative of anything; as most companies say, only a small percentage of a game's base actually use the forums in the first place. Additionally, your poll follows the point I was making: there were more than 10-15% of the playerbase looking forward to making the Klingons their primary faction (almost double according to your poll).
Fun devil's advocate aside: Since Cryptic passed 1 million forum website registrations last year, they have 12.5 million people playing STO and they are taking down Wow!
If they have 12mil subs why did rift beat them in the ratings for mmos I think it is less the 30k subs
What they are not charging players to do it they must be sliping. they charge for every thing else.
Can't charge for work they didn't do , but hey , they don't disappoint. They still charge a sub of $15/mo to play a game in which the paying players will add more content then the dev , in a month. According to some it's better the what Cryptic scripts. I'll have o borrow a friends account to verify , if I can stomach it.
If they have 12mil subs why did rift beat them in the ratings for mmos I think it is less the 30k subs
I believe Saxifr was joking in their post. The last tracking data from MMOdata (December 25, 2010) had STO at about 58,000 players. Given the data is a bit outdated now, it is safe to guess that the numbers are lower now.
"Oh my, how horrible, someone is criticizing a MMO. Oh yeah, that is what a forum is about, looking at both sides. You rather have to be critical of anything in this genre as of late because the track record of these major studios has just been appalling." -Ozmodan
This is the kind of feature that made me consider subbing. In my opinion, all MMOs should have some variant of this feature set. PvPers could create PvP matches and battlegrounds, Roleplayers could create story-driven quests, and genocidal gamers could create small rooms loaded with chainsaws and ewoks.
This is the kind of feature that made me consider subbing. In my opinion, all MMOs should have some variant of this feature set. PvPers could create PvP matches and battlegrounds, Roleplayers could create story-driven quests, and genocidal gamers could create small rooms loaded with chainsaws and ewoks.
It should indeed be more common in MMOs, although it should never be used to replace what should have been there in the first place.
"Oh my, how horrible, someone is criticizing a MMO. Oh yeah, that is what a forum is about, looking at both sides. You rather have to be critical of anything in this genre as of late because the track record of these major studios has just been appalling." -Ozmodan
Like, back in the early days of SWG there was no real content, no quests, just occasional quirky little missions from a few npcs, and the rinse-repeat terminal stuff. And for some reason, to many of us, it didn't matter, there was still so much to do and build, and we did it together.
Originally posted by Edward_K Originally posted by Jounar
What about all the really important stuff the playerbase has been asking for like valid Klingon content, endgame content, VA level items and better PVP options?
As is the case with all MMOs, there is no universal agreement among the palyerbase about what is "important" and what is not. For example, about 85% of the playerbase plays Federation. Because of that, Klingon content isnt "important" to the majority of the playerbase. Furthermore, the majority of the playerbase in almost(key word) every MMO mainly PvEs. That being the case, PvP isnt "important" to the majority of the playerbase. All Cryptic(or any other developer) can do is try to please the majority of their customers while not completely ignoring the minority aspects of the game.
Sorry Edward but I can take any of your posts seriously due to your avatar. You know that your is from the chick flick vampire film right?
I love playing STO. I cancelled my RIFT sub because I found myself playing STO more than RIFT. I have yet to try any Foundry missions, but the link posted listed some ones that interest me.
Thanks again for posting that link. Having fun again in STO.
welcome back. I too have canceld my Rift account becuase i find myself playing STO more. If you car looking for some foundry missions that are truly Trek you should check out http://starbaseugc.com/ its a great website for foundry. Aslo get the podcast for STo a listen there are 4 podcasts in all.
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Yeah just make sure you follow the restrictions.
http://forums.startrekonline.com/showthread.php?t=208078
Look for the CR's Statements.
Not a problem. Plenty of incredible missions have already been made with completely original stories and characters.
http://starbaseugc.com/
Not everyone needs to recycle the same characters over and over again to tell a story
Oh good site, thanks. Bookmarked it.
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Promote what you love instead of bashing what you hate.
There's nothing wrong with it at all; it just shouldn't be used to replace the content that should have been there from the start.
"Oh my, how horrible, someone is criticizing a MMO. Oh yeah, that is what a forum is about, looking at both sides. You rather have to be critical of anything in this genre as of late because the track record of these major studios has just been appalling." -Ozmodan
Is this a joke? Did you actually pay attention to how many people bothered to vote? Not to mention that forum polls are not indicative of anything; as most companies say, only a small percentage of a game's base actually use the forums in the first place. Additionally, your poll follows the point I was making: there were more than 10-15% of the playerbase looking forward to making the Klingons their primary faction (almost double according to your poll).
"Oh my, how horrible, someone is criticizing a MMO. Oh yeah, that is what a forum is about, looking at both sides. You rather have to be critical of anything in this genre as of late because the track record of these major studios has just been appalling." -Ozmodan
hmm.. it is a really good addition to the game.. and if it had been there from the beginning.. perhaps the game wouldnt have had such a bad reputation as it does currently... better late than never i guess...
The Launch day bugs are fixed? Well not all of them and someof them are just a pain to live with.
Yes, this game has its problems, just like every other MMO. I dont think anyone denies that. The difference between myself and some of the other people in this thread is I actually want the game to improve, while they just want to complain forever. Constantly complaining about mistakes that have already been made isnt going to change them. For my part I've seen the game improve and I'm enjoying it and I absolutely love the Foundry.
It's true that some people want STO to fail in a vain hope that another company will come along and do better. I fall into the group that believes there are serious gameplay problems in the cvore mechamics of the game itself, and those cannot be fixed without (as the devs have said in the past) significant changes to the engine. As for improvements, of course there have been some; the game set the bar so low on release that it had nowhere to go but up.
"Oh my, how horrible, someone is criticizing a MMO. Oh yeah, that is what a forum is about, looking at both sides. You rather have to be critical of anything in this genre as of late because the track record of these major studios has just been appalling." -Ozmodan
It basically boils down to this: I think the game can improve, you think it cant(because you think the core mechanics are flawed). Thats fine. But constantly complaining about something that you dont think can improve isnt going to change anything.
So what are the complaints that bother you ? Is it the fact that the engine is an upgraded version of CoX , which is about 10 years old now ? Is it the fact that in their desire to get this game onto consoles that hamstrung it to it's present condition? Is it the fact that they charge $15/mo sub for a game that also provides a C-Store? Is it the fact that game was released woefully unfinished ? ( Please save me the line that MMO's are never truely finished, because that's garbage. ) Is it the fact, that Cryptic's model depends on a paying player base to fill it's content deficiency, while they shift the Development team to other projects, to foist more fraud on the public ? Is it the fact that they charged people to test this game ? Is it the fact that they use the player base to alpha/beta test the basis of the next game that is due for release sometime this year?
I could keep going , but Cryptic's record is replete with transgressions that it quite literally makes me tired of thinking about them all. They constantly skirt the line of what is, in my opinion, ethical. Cryptic represents everything wrong with the MMO gaming industry and yet people wonder why others complain? I'm sorry it take the veneer off of all that is rosey to your enjoyment and you tire of reading those complaints . I too tire of people coming on and saying how wonderful or great or how hugely improved the game is, then only present cosmetic changes of said improvements. Then I'm being told I don't appreciate Star Trek or that I'm a hater. If there was something worth while Cryptic had done , I would be more complimentary, reskinning CO doesn't cut it . All I see from Cryptic are half -measures and frankly cynical pandering to the masses. Case in point ship interiors and retro ships. I want the IP to have a game truely representative of Trek as much as possible and still remain entertaining. I just don't see Cryptic as capable of it. I'm glad you like the foundry , but let's see how Cryptic's implementation goes. I assume since you like it so much , you'll be buying there next game ?
I love playing STO. I cancelled my RIFT sub because I found myself playing STO more than RIFT. I have yet to try any Foundry missions, but the link posted listed some ones that interest me.
Thanks again for posting that link. Having fun again in STO.
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Promote what you love instead of bashing what you hate.
Next time, try a little reading comprehension: I said the game has improved; it had to, due to the condition it launched in. Cryptic's only choice was either work on it, thus improving it, or shut it down. If you don't like honest criticism about STO, then I suggest you stick to the official forums on the STO website; dissent is generally not tolerated there. When you come to these forums, you need to accept that there will be those who post that do not feel the same way about STO that you do. If you can't understand that, then I suggest reading the quote at the bottom of my posts.
"Oh my, how horrible, someone is criticizing a MMO. Oh yeah, that is what a forum is about, looking at both sides. You rather have to be critical of anything in this genre as of late because the track record of these major studios has just been appalling." -Ozmodan
What amuses me about the vamp's thoughts on the matter is that all this isn't even counting all the people who have voted with their wallets and just left the game, period.
RELAX!@!! BREATHE!!!
Fun devil's advocate aside: Since Cryptic passed 1 million forum website registrations last year, they have 12.5 million people playing STO and they are taking down Wow!
RELAX!@!! BREATHE!!!
Apples & oranges. Forum regs do not equate to active players. You don't even have to be a player to get a forum account. If someone is registered on the CoH forum, they're automatically registered on STO's forum. Also a good chunk of STO's regs are from the beta era and many of those ppl boycotted STO. Add in the banned and multi-accounts and you'll find that Cryptic's numbers are more fluff than substance.
What they are not charging players to do it they must be sliping. they charge for every thing else.
http://ksbscrapbook.com/
If they have 12mil subs why did rift beat them in the ratings for mmos I think it is less the 30k subs
http://ksbscrapbook.com/
Can't charge for work they didn't do , but hey , they don't disappoint. They still charge a sub of $15/mo to play a game in which the paying players will add more content then the dev , in a month.
According to some it's better the what Cryptic scripts. I'll have o borrow a friends account to verify , if I can stomach it. 
I believe Saxifr was joking in their post. The last tracking data from MMOdata (December 25, 2010) had STO at about 58,000 players. Given the data is a bit outdated now, it is safe to guess that the numbers are lower now.
"Oh my, how horrible, someone is criticizing a MMO. Oh yeah, that is what a forum is about, looking at both sides. You rather have to be critical of anything in this genre as of late because the track record of these major studios has just been appalling." -Ozmodan
This is the kind of feature that made me consider subbing. In my opinion, all MMOs should have some variant of this feature set. PvPers could create PvP matches and battlegrounds, Roleplayers could create story-driven quests, and genocidal gamers could create small rooms loaded with chainsaws and ewoks.
It should indeed be more common in MMOs, although it should never be used to replace what should have been there in the first place.
"Oh my, how horrible, someone is criticizing a MMO. Oh yeah, that is what a forum is about, looking at both sides. You rather have to be critical of anything in this genre as of late because the track record of these major studios has just been appalling." -Ozmodan
Agreed, but anything is better than nothing.
Like, back in the early days of SWG there was no real content, no quests, just occasional quirky little missions from a few npcs, and the rinse-repeat terminal stuff. And for some reason, to many of us, it didn't matter, there was still so much to do and build, and we did it together.
As is the case with all MMOs, there is no universal agreement among the palyerbase about what is "important" and what is not. For example, about 85% of the playerbase plays Federation. Because of that, Klingon content isnt "important" to the majority of the playerbase. Furthermore, the majority of the playerbase in almost(key word) every MMO mainly PvEs. That being the case, PvP isnt "important" to the majority of the playerbase. All Cryptic(or any other developer) can do is try to please the majority of their customers while not completely ignoring the minority aspects of the game.
Sorry Edward but I can take any of your posts seriously due to your avatar. You know that your is from the chick flick vampire film right?
welcome back. I too have canceld my Rift account becuase i find myself playing STO more. If you car looking for some foundry missions that are truly Trek you should check out http://starbaseugc.com/ its a great website for foundry. Aslo get the podcast for STo a listen there are 4 podcasts in all.
Have No Fear Cohas is here!!!
