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SONY is NOT going anywhere...too many are addicted to playing the games!

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  • psyclumpsyclum Member Posts: 792

    Originally posted by JeroKane

    This! Well said.

    People extremely underestimate the risk we are all exposed to right now, with the amount of Personal information from each and every customer that has been stolen!

    I find it unbelievable how naive many people are and only think about when the servers will come back online??  I mean... WTF??  Your identity has been stolen!

    People have no idea what kind of damage and misery can be done against YOU as person with the Personal Information these hackers have acquired!

    But yeah sure.... log back into the game when it comes back up again and punch in your new credit card info and pretend everything is peachy!

    And oh... read this and see if you still sleep well tonight: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2011/05/03/BUI41JB95L.DTL

    Have a nice day.

    well, eventually SoE will remember their old friend from EQ1. 

    the name of the friend is called attrition:D

    when the hopelessly addicted found out they are paying to play an MMO entirely solo because all their friends quit the game, they will realize things arent going the way they had blindly believed:D

    how do you think WoW took over the MMO market from a highly addictive game like EQ1?

    attrition doesn't work very fast, but something like this breach definately increase the rate of consumption of players by attrition:D

  • AkaroniaAkaronia Member Posts: 138

    Originally posted by TUX426

    SOE will have a very difficult time surviving the coming litigation.

    While some of you can't wait to give them your new credit card number and claim your Batman mask, there are literally MILLIONS who won't be quite so eager or easily pleased.

    If SOE is found to have been lax in ANY area of security, this will spell disaster for them.

     

    What so many of you are failing to grasp is the MAGNITUDE of this - ONE HUNDRED MILLION identities. This is the largest ID loss in HISTORY! VISA isn't going to accept "gametime" or in-game gimmicks as payment for reissuing 3 million new cards and massive losses in fraud.

        I had no problem getting a new card at all.  I went to my bank and told them I wanted one just in case because Sony is not sure what all has been stolen yet and I had a new card in 2 days.  :D  And this is perhaps when Sony needs to start using Mastercardsecurecode and Visa Verified.  And yes I do realize the magnitude of this I think you are overreacting

       What I think is you forget how LONG Sony has been around and that most of their business' are in the BBB and they have longtime standing all around the world.  Sony is not one to not fix problems if you look them up they are very fast at responding to problems and complaints and doing the best they can to make their costmers happy.

       That is going to have more sway in this then ZOMG they screwed up is how and what they are going to do to make their costumers happy and protect their information which they are already taking measures to do.  We all have to take measures at this point it is not just on Sony's head to make sure we are protected.  But to go nuts and boycot a company because they were invaded by thieves which could happen in your home just as easy and everything you own gets stolen.  Is your wallet and personal information put into a safe in your home everynight when you go to bed?  because if it isn't you are putting your own ifnormation just as at risk or worse.

       Do you leave your purse or wallet in a cart while you peak around the corner in a store?  Do you leave your wallet on the top of your purse where people can see it?  Do you even pull big chunks of cash out of your wallet in public?  Do you ever leave your purse in your car locked or no?  It only takes seconds for someone to break the window on your car to steal it out even if it is locked.  Do you go to big malls?  Or shopping centers?  Where a thief can get at you anytime they want as soon as you are out of the publics eye?

      If we overreact to this and get like that we are all going to become agoraphobic and NEVER leave our homes are we?

      Get a new card and put a fraud report in and do what Sony directs you to do if it was indeed your information that was stolen.  People's information gets stolen everyday how is this any different?  Other than it was a large amount?  What is important here is that we all including Sont take the neccessary steps to be safe and hope and pray that nothing gets done with our information.  Just like any other individual who's identity has been stolen before this.  Identity theft is not a new thing this is just big is all.  Measures are in place to protect us.  They got Osama you think they won't make sure we are safe?  Just calm down and think rationally and do the best you can do to get through this that is all we can do now.

      Trust me I lost an entire nights sleep and them some over this but it did me no good lol.  I did what I needed to do and now all I can do is sit and wait.  This is part of growing up is to learn how to act when something like this happens not react.  And patience.    :D

      What this is GOING to do is wake our government up to all of hte hacking that has been going on for quite some time that they have been slacking on. 

  • GolelornGolelorn Member RarePosts: 1,395


    Originally posted by TUX426

       That is going to have more sway in this then ZOMG they screwed up is how and what they are going to do to make their costumers happy and protect their information which they are already taking measures to do.  We all have to take measures at this point it is not just on Sony's head to make sure we are protected.  But to go nuts and boycot a company because they were invaded by thieves which could happen in your home just as easy and everything you own gets stolen.  Is your wallet and personal information put into a safe in your home everynight when you go to bed?  because if it isn't you are putting your own ifnormation just as at risk or worse.

    This is such a failure at logic. So, it can happen to anyone, but a hack of this magnitude has only happened to Sony? Explain that.

    I put my wallet in my house, but it could potentially be stolen by theives, so we should let bygones be bygones?  HUH???????

    I am responsible for my wallet. If my wallet is stolen that is on me. I must make ammends. I must do the leg work. I must live with it. Sony takes no responsibility and has done NOTHING to make ammends. If you feel they have no responsibility after you give them your info - you are a fool for giving out any information.

    Its the law that Sony safeguards our information. If the people could not trust companies with our credit card information or other important information do you think we would give it to them? Do you have any idea how this would effect our economy? That is why Congress is taking this so seriously. They understand if the people don't trust the system the system will suffer.

  • AkaroniaAkaronia Member Posts: 138

    Originally posted by Golelorn


    Originally posted by TUX426

       That is going to have more sway in this then ZOMG they screwed up is how and what they are going to do to make their costumers happy and protect their information which they are already taking measures to do.  We all have to take measures at this point it is not just on Sony's head to make sure we are protected.  But to go nuts and boycot a company because they were invaded by thieves which could happen in your home just as easy and everything you own gets stolen.  Is your wallet and personal information put into a safe in your home everynight when you go to bed?  because if it isn't you are putting your own ifnormation just as at risk or worse.

    This is such a failure at logic. So, it can happen to anyone, but a hack of this magnitude has only happened to Sony? Explain that.

    I put my wallet in my house, but it could potentially be stolen by theives, so we should let bygones be bygones?  HUH???????

    I am responsible for my wallet. If my wallet is stolen that is on me. I must make ammends. I must do the leg work. I must live with it. Sony takes no responsibility and has done NOTHING to make ammends. If you feel they have no responsibility after you give them your info - you are a fool for giving out any information.

    Its the law that Sony safeguards our information. If the people could not trust companies with our credit card information or other important information do you think we would give it to them? Do you have any idea how this would effect our economy? That is why Congress is taking this so seriously. They understand if the people don't trust the system the system will suffer.

       Sony is doing things to make amends do you not research everything before you comment?  They are paying for identity theft protection for those whose card information was stolen.  They are redoing their entire security system and are working day and night to get it done.  They can't undo what has been done.  What do you expect them to do?   There is only so much they can do.  It sounds like you expect miracles when that is not Sony's department.  You can't turn back time what is done is done all anyone can do in this is move forward and do the best we can in this.

        I hope and pray you never break the law because you may never be able to forgive yourself for it or even if you do there might be someone like you are being right now that has no forgiveness.  You will never have peace if you can not move on and forgive.  And yes maybe that sounds crazy but take it from someone who has been there.  It is easy to sit back and judge a situation when you are not the one having to recover from it and try to make everything right that you may have done wrong.

      Patience and time that is the only thing that is going to heal this wound just like the Twin Towers.  Humans make mistakes all of us do.  Sometimes unknowingly it is when we do it knowingly that we are truly at fault.

      I do however believe so as to not get too much off topic believe that a strong long lasting company like Sony will make it through this.  I hope that there is still enough forgiveness in the world to understand that we all make mistakes and sometimes become set in our environment feeling safe and don't think something like this could happen.  And then Bamb it does.  Just like the Twin Towers I don't think anyone ever thought something of that magnitude would happen to us but it did.

  • jado818jado818 Member, Newbie CommonPosts: 356

    Well the games aren't going anywhere

     

    As long as a mmo is making money after it pays for the server / overhead costs they will not be shut down.. that would be stupid

     

    hey I'm making too much money better turn this off >_>

     

    Companies on the other hand can go bankrupt.. not that Sony will.. but even if it magically did go bankrupt.. w/e games it owned would be sold off to new companies by the bank to pay for debts

  • Dru72Dru72 Member, Newbie CommonPosts: 57


    Originally posted by Golelorn

    This is such a failure at logic. So, it can happen to anyone, but a hack of this magnitude has only happened to Sony? Explain that.



    Do you not recall the 2007 Bungie hacks issues??

  • psyclumpsyclum Member Posts: 792

    Originally posted by Akaronia

       Sony is doing things to make amends do you not research everything before you comment?  They are paying for identity theft protection for those whose card information was stolen.  They are redoing their entire security system and are working day and night to get it done.  They can't undo what has been done.  What do you expect them to do?   There is only so much they can do. 

    sounds ALOT like the drunk driver defense.....   yah there is only so much they can do AFTER they killed your daughter.  lets not blame them for being drunk and driving before the fact:D

  • TUX426TUX426 Member Posts: 1,907

    Originally posted by Akaronia

        I had no problem getting a new card at all.  I went to my bank and told them I wanted one just in case because Sony is not sure what all has been stolen yet and I had a new card in 2 days.  :D  And this is perhaps when Sony needs to start using Mastercardsecurecode and Visa Verified.  And yes I do realize the magnitude of this I think you are overreacting

    At $20 a card roughly, paid by your bank, you think they'll be just as eager to throw their hands up and go "oh well...could happen to anyone". If ONLY 1% of that 100 MILLION asks for new cards, we're looking at $20 MILLION in external financial damage already done. They'll want to recoup that money, but who should pay that $20 million? VISA? MasterCard? Insurance companies? You?

  • TUX426TUX426 Member Posts: 1,907

    Originally posted by Akaronia

      Patience and time that is the only thing that is going to heal this wound just like the Twin Towers.

     

    This is NOTHING like the Twin Towers. To make that comparison is despicable.

  • PhryPhry Member LegendaryPosts: 11,004

    looking at all these responses defending sony.. i really have to wonder how many of them are legitimate and not campaigning by sony employee's .. or those hired by sony.. public image after all is everything.. and after the company was hacked.. so completely.. i mean really, the amount of data that the hackers obtained was unprecedented.. never before has a company had its lack of adequate security exposed to such a degree.. in a way its only to be expected that sony would go on a massive pr campaign to try and 'adjust' or perhaps 'misdirect' blame.. after all sony are the victims here right? ... wrong.. the victims are the ones who have had their personal details stolen.. along with..for some.. their credit card details....  how dare sony try and play the victim when their irresponsible lack of regard for their customers personal data.. has given thieves the opportunity to reap millions.. the credit card information is relatively unimportant.. the personal information.. all those little details that identified people so completely.. and wasnt even protected by a basic level of encryption..  ... the repercussions of that one fact will drag on for years.. never before no matter what sony's apologists claim.. has this level of breach of trust been demonstrated. the people involved, which is quite literally everyone who has a PSN and SOE game account, are at risk from being involved in fraud.. identity theft, accounts created in their name but without their permission, their credit ratings being damaged, loans being taken out in their names.. you name it.. there are hundreds of activities that those details can be used for monetary gain.. It hasnt even begun yet, but already you can be sure that sony are panicking because eventually.. these criminals are going to start using that data.. and when that happens.. sony's name will be damaged more than it has already.. anyone who honestly thinks that all you have to do is change your credit card.. has not a clue about what identity theft really is... most don't.. until afterwards.. and the way things are going.. entirely too many people are going to have first hand experience of what it really means... but.. sony is just a victim right.. ... its not their fault they got hacked.. is it.. its not their fault that peoples personal data wasnt protected.. its not their fault...  .. the hell it isnt.image

  • Dru72Dru72 Member, Newbie CommonPosts: 57

    I know this isn't related to this latest issue or to Sony.
    ****

    Last year, a Miami computer hacker was sentenced to 20 years in prison for leading the largest U.S. identity-theft ring, stealing 130 million credit- and debit-card records from Heartland Payment Systems Inc. (HPY) and other companies.

    Source
    Bloomberg

  • ruonimruonim Member Posts: 251

    Originally posted by Dru72

    I know this isn't related to this latest issue or to Sony.

    ****

    Last year, a Miami computer hacker was sentenced to 20 years in prison for leading the largest U.S. identity-theft ring, stealing 130 million credit- and debit-card records from Heartland Payment Systems Inc. (HPY) and other companies.

    Source

    Bloomberg

    and in 20 years he goes free and is milionere. I would gladly do that.

  • drowelfdrowelf Member UncommonPosts: 114

    well no he will not be a millionaire, as he will lost everything to repay the peaple he stole from, he will not bealowed to keep antthing he stole.

  • Dru72Dru72 Member, Newbie CommonPosts: 57


    Originally posted by ruonim

    Originally posted by Dru72
    I know this isn't related to this latest issue or to Sony.
    ****
    Last year, a Miami computer hacker was sentenced to 20 years in prison for leading the largest U.S. identity-theft ring, stealing 130 million credit- and debit-card records from Heartland Payment Systems Inc. (HPY) and other companies.
    Source
    Bloomberg
    and in 20 years he goes free and is milionere. I would gladly do that.

    What planet are you from??

  • SovrathSovrath Member LegendaryPosts: 32,780

    Originally posted by ruonim

    Originally posted by Dru72

    I know this isn't related to this latest issue or to Sony.

    ****

    Last year, a Miami computer hacker was sentenced to 20 years in prison for leading the largest U.S. identity-theft ring, stealing 130 million credit- and debit-card records from Heartland Payment Systems Inc. (HPY) and other companies.

    Source

    Bloomberg

    and in 20 years he goes free and is milionere. I would gladly do that.

    It doesn't work that way.

    Besides, to put it in perspective that you can understand, assuming your profile is correct, that is all of your life, ALL of it, less three years.

    And I'll go one furher as a large chunk of your life up to this point was as a child; 20 years as a full thinking adult is a huge amount of time to lose.

    the vast difference between 23 and 43 is amazing.

    But you'll find that out in the next 20 years. Unless of course you attempt to do identity theft/CC theft in which case you will get caught, go to jail, lose a huge part of your life, and good years too. Don't think that physically you are going to be the same at 43 as you were at 23. Life has a rude awakening waiting for you there.

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  • fodell54fodell54 Member RarePosts: 865

    Originally posted by saxifr

    Originally posted by fodell54

    Anything can be hacked. It's as simple as that. It just so happens that this time around it was Sony. So, it opened the doors to all the trolls. Next time maybe it will be Blizzard., who knows. The point is your never going to be completely safe when it comes to the internet.

    Troll: (n): 1. One who does not like one's personal informaiton, eg birthdate, address, and credit card number, stolen from a corporation

    I guess stating the truth makes some people mad. I'm not saying I'm not upset with the fact the "MY" information was in that bundle too. I'm just saying that most of people are acting like this wasn't possible. Welcome to the internet, shit happens.

  • firefly2003firefly2003 Member UncommonPosts: 2,527

    You know before SOE servers got shut down I was thinking of resubbing to SWG? And perhaps finally try out Everquest for the first time? Guess that wont happen for a while.. :( After all the praise I have seen for EQ and EQ 2 I think its time to try them out since I can't obviously play them at this moment can someone confirm to me which one of them has housing , and can you decorate said house?


  • AkaroniaAkaronia Member Posts: 138

    Originally posted by firefly2003

    You know before SOE servers got shut down I was thinking of resubbing to SWG? And perhaps finally try out Everquest for the first time? Guess that wont happen for a while.. :( After all the praise I have seen for EQ and EQ 2 I think its time to try them out since I can't obviously play them at this moment can someone confirm to me which one of them has housing , and can you decorate said house?

       EQ2 has housing and guild halls and yes you decorate.  Hopefully SOE will be up soon just depends on how dad gum long it takes for them to get the new security system installed.

  • Daffid011Daffid011 Member UncommonPosts: 7,945

    Originally posted by fodell54

    Originally posted by saxifr


    Originally posted by fodell54

    Anything can be hacked. It's as simple as that. It just so happens that this time around it was Sony. So, it opened the doors to all the trolls. Next time maybe it will be Blizzard., who knows. The point is your never going to be completely safe when it comes to the internet.

    Troll: (n): 1. One who does not like one's personal informaiton, eg birthdate, address, and credit card number, stolen from a corporation

    I guess stating the truth makes some people mad. I'm not saying I'm not upset with the fact the "MY" information was in that bundle too. I'm just saying that most of people are acting like this wasn't possible. Welcome to the internet, shit happens.

    I think this issue is compounded by a few additional problems that have people a bit more upset.


    • Much of the information stolen should not have even been stored.  A database of personal information from a 2001 sweepstakes and a credit/banking database from 2007.  None of that information was even being used anymore.  It should not have even been stored.

    • Much of the information was stored in an unsecured manner:  clear text and/or unencrypted. 

    • While the playstation network has been down indeffinately until they have fixed the problems, the SOE servers were barely down for a few hours.  It doesn't even look like SOE took the problem seriously and simply wanted to avoid a service interuption.  In only a few hours they declared their network safe, but two weeks later they had to take them down, because they were still vulnerable.

    • SOE actually told their customers that their personal information was secured, when in fact it was stolen.

    Sure any network can be hacked, but SOE seems to be going out of their way to make this situations worse than it should be. 

  • InshallaInshalla Member Posts: 75

    Most people arent that concerned about their private details being displayed on the internet, otherwise facebook never wouldve gotten off the ground. No I dont have facebook and yes my details were with SOE, so I live in that "exception" who actually doesnt advertise myself and yet this badness still happend to me.

    And you know what, oh well. It happens. I'd rather it be stolen by some hackers in a well publicized incident that allows me to take action than some dumpster diving crackhead scrounging my details off a discarded statement that I dont have a clue about until its too late. Yes it is an inconvienence to monitor your credit, but in this day and age its not a bad idea to be doing that anyways. Sony may end up saving more asses than they harm via making people aware of this potential danger.

    Everything is fine here, were all fine here now...turn the game on plz, how are you?

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