People are saying SoE is guilty, when we don't have any evidence that they are.
You don't do much looking around do you?
I do a lot of looking around and so far there simply is no real evidence to speak of. There is plenty of he said she said type of stuff floating around but here in the real world thats called hearsay, this dumbass they had testifying before congress isnt even involved in the day to day at sony all he is doing is spreading hearsay. It's amazing how some people see something on tv or the internet and jump on the bandwagon.
I am certainly not saying sony didnt fail with their network security however as i dont have any Knowlede about their network and how it is configured i am not qualified to pass judgement one way or the other and neither is anyone else accept the people who work on it day to day. The simple fact of the matter is that there are many many ways to configure a network and without knowing some specifics it's kinda silly to comment about anything reguarding it. So far no one who is actually qualifed to say what is what has given any information.
People are saying SoE is guilty, when we don't have any evidence that they are.
You don't do much looking around do you?
I do a lot of looking around and so far there simply is no real evidence to speak of. There is plenty of he said she said type of stuff floating around but here in the real world thats called hearsay, this dumbass they had testifying before congress isnt even involved in the day to day at sony all he is doing is spreading hearsay. It's amazing how some people see something on tv or the internet and jump on the bandwagon.
I am certainly not saying sony didnt fail with their network security however as i dont have any Knowlede about their network and how it is configured i am not qualified to pass judgement one way or the other and neither is anyone else accept the people who wrok on it day to day. The simple fact of the matter is that there are many many ways to configure a network and without knowing some specifics it's kinda silly to comment about anything reguarding it. So far no one who is actually qualifed to say what is what has given any information.
Just because he doesn't work at Sony doesn't mean he doesn't know what he is talking about.
You don't gotta go to mars to be an expert on space rocks for example.
Bottom line is Sony screwed up... big time.. even if they weren't negligent.. they weren't as vigilant as they should have been.
They are going to be sued / fined / penalized in some form or another.. It's going to happen.. Right or wrong.. people demand blood when stuff like this happens...
They knew on the 20th that there was a breach in their security. That is the date they should have reported to their customers that sensitive information could have been stolen and to take precautions.
The fact you detect an intrusion into your systems does not mean anything was or even could have been stolen.
Come on man, he said could. And really, if there's an intrusion, it's reasonable to believe, until proven otherwise, that something was taken.
Sony could have come out of this smelling like roses had they been more proactive (although if it turns out the 'they weren't running a firewall' is true...well they don't make roses strong enough for that).
If there are other companies running around with security as lax, maybe they'll tighten things up too. I wouldn't think anyone else is, but I wouldn't have thought Sony was.).
Spec'ing properly is a gateway drug. 12 Million People have been meter spammed in heroics.
Have a link to that bit about Apache contacting SOE? I've been looking for hard evidence like that haven't found any.
As for "people in the IT field notcied Sony wasn't using any Firewalls either and posted their concerns on the Sony forums". How did these people know they weren't using a firewall? How are you sure (from a forum post) they are who they say they are as well as what they are saying is true?
uhm... why would apache NEED to contact SoE?:D updating server software reguarding security flaws is a REGULAR duty of ANY system admin:D
Who CARES if ANYONE knew if SoE is using a firewall? it is their RESPONSIBILITY to ensure your PERSONAL INFORMATION is SECURED under THEIR care....
does ANYONE feel safe giving SoE ANY real information KNOWING that their personal information is stored in plain text in SoE servers?
the burden of proof in security of YOUR information is on the side of SoE... THEY are the one's that MUST prove YOUR information is secure under THEIR care.....
kinda like it's the military's responsibility to PROVE that NUCLEAR WEAPONS are safe under THEIR care:D
or maybe you feel that someone should warn delta their airplanes need to be serviced before it falls out of the sky while YOU are in the plane?
Well all I can say is that I have been buying Sony products for many years and have never had service or product problems with this company. I do believe the number of Sony custumers who are happy with them outways the number who hate on them.
Now I notice that a lot of people on this forum seem to be stuck on EQ1. Guys it isn't coming back get over it, it is a thing of the past. Things have always been like this in this industry. One thing goes out and a new thing comes in. The more technology that is found the firther they advance things and if they find something that meets a bigger crowd rather than a small one then that ios what they are going to go with because they are a big company and they obviously know what keeps them making monewy and keeps them surviving to continue to put new products out.
I play EQ2 and have seen nothing wrong with SOE's game nor tehri service or the way I get treated. Shoot when something is wrong with a quest they fiox the problem right online while you are talking to them. Try getting that on WoW. Not happening.
Was not trying to get off topic but felt like I needed to say that due to these people who continually attack a company when if you look out of over 100,000,000 costumers has had a total of less than 200 complaints with the BBB in the last 3 years. So I would not call that a horrible company.
Blizzard is 1/10 that size and has had 2500 complaints....
So no matter how you look at it you guys picking Sony apart they will still have a strong enough amount of people backing this that are matrure and know that companies are made of humans which at times error and make mistakes but you have to look at teh overall and not just tear them apart on one product or one mistake
No matter how you look at this Sony is just as much of a victim here as us. This isn't about vengeance is mine this has been a major offense to everyone involved and no matter how you look at it. the criminals are who you should be tearing apart in this they are the ones that caused this. Sure Sony may have not felt like they needed to Beef things up but did you think that maybe that was because they had faith in their consumers that this kind of thing might not happen?
No instead someone gets in trouble because he messed with a patented code on the PS3 and hacks into it which gave them total rights to sue that person and everyone turns on them like vultures for them breaking the law in the first place? I guess I just do not understand todays way of thinking. It is sad when a long upstanding company gets attacked and everyone blames them for what the other person who did this needs to be taking responsibility for.
I am responsible for everything I do no one else makes me do this I do this by choise so if I mess with a patented code this is my fault not anyone elses and if I am breaking the law I have to pay the consequences. Think before you act. Think of the consequences of what is going to come out of what you are doing. And if you think the cons outway the pros don't do it. Breaking into someone's patent or hacking into systems is just as bad as drug addiucts that peddle drugs to our kids.
You all sound like a bunch of bitter alcoholics who don't know how to take responsibility for their own actions.
So my point is, is that no matter how you look at this Somy is a victim right along with the rest of us. This is no different from teh Twin Towers and I don't hear anyone blaming our own government for that anymore even though they were tipped off that there was a threat lol. Everyone is just Glad that Osama is dead.
This is a really tough break for not only Sony but the entire industry because this was a very largescale attack and yes other large companies have to sit and wait and see if they might possibly be the next target of this persons diabolical plans whatever they are.
As far as Sony recovering it is like someone else said before people tend to have short term memories as soon as Sony comes out with the next best product whether it be online or consoles everyone will buy it and they will forget about this.
As far as how Sony chose to let information out. I will not say it was right or wrong, however they did not do things in any other way thanthe government would have. Do you think the government would have let it out so it would panis the entire nation until they had exact facts? No they would not have and that is what Sony did was wait until they had all of the phorensic facts on what information was stolen so that they could inform people properly and not start a panic. No government agency would have done any less.
People are saying SoE is guilty, when we don't have any evidence that they are.
You don't do much looking around do you?
I do a lot of looking around and so far there simply is no real evidence to speak of. There is plenty of he said she said type of stuff floating around but here in the real world thats called hearsay, this dumbass they had testifying before congress isnt even involved in the day to day at sony all he is doing is spreading hearsay. It's amazing how some people see something on tv or the internet and jump on the bandwagon.
I am certainly not saying sony didnt fail with their network security however as i dont have any Knowlede about their network and how it is configured i am not qualified to pass judgement one way or the other and neither is anyone else accept the people who wrok on it day to day. The simple fact of the matter is that there are many many ways to configure a network and without knowing some specifics it's kinda silly to comment about anything reguarding it. So far no one who is actually qualifed to say what is what has given any information.
Just because he doesn't work at Sony doesn't mean he doesn't know what he is talking about.
You don't gotta go to mars to be an expert on space rocks for example.
Bottom line is Sony screwed up... big time.. even if they weren't negligent.. they weren't as vigilant as they should have been.
They are going to be sued / fined / penalized in some form or another.. It's going to happen.. Right or wrong.. people demand blood when stuff like this happens...
Yeah i agree that he may know what hes talking about and thats fine, but again he has nothing but what he has heard from other people he even said that he had heard from other people in the industry that is not evidence it is hearsay those people will need to be called into a court of law to testify.At this point there is NO PROOF only he said she said.
You very well may be correct about what may happen to sony i certainly dont have a crystal ball but one thing is for sure nothing will happen untill there is some sort of actual proof that sony is in the wrong. At this point in time sony is a victum of a cybercrime and nothing more.
it's reasonable to believe, until proven otherwise
Since now on, we gonna jail everyone who isn't able to prove their innocence.
I don't know where you're from but here in the US, interestingly enough, we do jail people that are suspected of anything but the smallest crimes. It's a very common initial reaction while investigators/courts investigate or rule on the matter.
"Innocent until proven guilty" is cute but it's not really the opposite show's it's head more often.
Spec'ing properly is a gateway drug. 12 Million People have been meter spammed in heroics.
Well all I can say is that I have been buying Sony products for many years and have never had service or product problems with this company. I do believe the number of Sony custumers who are happy with them outways the number who hate on them.
Now I notice that a lot of people on this forum seem to be stuck on EQ1. Guys it isn't coming back get over it, it is a thing of the past. Things have always been like this in this industry. One thing goes out and a new thing comes in. The more technology that is found the firther they advance things and if they find something that meets a bigger crowd rather than a small one then that ios what they are going to go with because they are a big company and they obviously know what keeps them making monewy and keeps them surviving to continue to put new products out.
I play EQ2 and have seen nothing wrong with SOE's game nor tehri service or the way I get treated. Shoot when something is wrong with a quest they fiox the problem right online while you are talking to them. Try getting that on WoW. Not happening.
Was not trying to get off topic but felt like I needed to say that due to these people who continually attack a company when if you look out of over 100,000,000 costumers has had a total of less than 200 complaints with the BBB in the last 3 years. So I would not call that a horrible company.
Blizzard is 1/10 that size and has had 2500 complaints....
So no matter how you look at it you guys picking Sony apart they will still have a strong enough amount of people backing this that are matrure and know that companies are made of humans which at times error and make mistakes but you have to look at teh overall and not just tear them apart on one product or one mistake
No matter how you look at this Sony is just as much of a victim here as us. This isn't about vengeance is mine this has been a major offense to everyone involved and no matter how you look at it. the criminals are who you should be tearing apart in this they are the ones that caused this. Sure Sony may have not felt like they needed to Beef things up but did you think that maybe that was because they had faith in their consumers that this kind of thing might not happen?
No instead someone gets in trouble because he messed with a patented code on the PS3 and hacks into it which gave them total rights to sue that person and everyone turns on them like vultures for them breaking the law in the first place? I guess I just do not understand todays way of thinking. It is sad when a long upstanding company gets attacked and everyone blames them for what the other person who did this needs to be taking responsibility for.
I am responsible for everything I do no one else makes me do this I do this by choise so if I mess with a patented code this is my fault not anyone elses and if I am breaking the law I have to pay the consequences. Think before you act. Think of the consequences of what is going to come out of what you are doing. And if you think the cons outway the pros don't do it. Breaking into someone's patent or hacking into systems is just as bad as drug addiucts that peddle drugs to our kids.
You all sound like a bunch of bitter alcoholics who don't know how to take responsibility for their own actions.
So my point is, is that no matter how you look at this Somy is a victim right along with the rest of us. This is no different from teh Twin Towers and I don't hear anyone blaming our own government for that anymore even though they were tipped off that there was a threat lol. Everyone is just Glad that Osama is dead.
This is a really tough break for not only Sony but the entire industry because this was a very largescale attack and yes other large companies have to sit and wait and see if they might possibly be the next target of this persons diabolical plans whatever they are.
As far as Sony recovering it is like someone else said before people tend to have short term memories as soon as Sony comes out with the next best product whether it be online or consoles everyone will buy it and they will forget about this.
As far as how Sony chose to let information out. I will not say it was right or wrong, however they did not do things in any other way thanthe government would have. Do you think the government would have let it out so it would panis the entire nation until they had exact facts? No they would not have and that is what Sony did was wait until they had all of the phorensic facts on what information was stolen so that they could inform people properly and not start a panic. No government agency would have done any less.
I stopped reading when you thought SOE is bigger then Activision Blizzard. I wouldnt have read any of it if I could reactivate my EQ1 account. Cause EQ1 is the best game ever. It's science.
People are saying SoE is guilty, when we don't have any evidence that they are.
You don't do much looking around do you?
I do a lot of looking around and so far there simply is no real evidence to speak of. There is plenty of he said she said type of stuff floating around but here in the real world thats called hearsay, this dumbass they had testifying before congress isnt even involved in the day to day at sony all he is doing is spreading hearsay. It's amazing how some people see something on tv or the internet and jump on the bandwagon.
I am certainly not saying sony didnt fail with their network security however as i dont have any Knowlede about their network and how it is configured i am not qualified to pass judgement one way or the other and neither is anyone else accept the people who wrok on it day to day. The simple fact of the matter is that there are many many ways to configure a network and without knowing some specifics it's kinda silly to comment about anything reguarding it. So far no one who is actually qualifed to say what is what has given any information.
Just because he doesn't work at Sony doesn't mean he doesn't know what he is talking about.
You don't gotta go to mars to be an expert on space rocks for example.
Bottom line is Sony screwed up... big time.. even if they weren't negligent.. they weren't as vigilant as they should have been.
They are going to be sued / fined / penalized in some form or another.. It's going to happen.. Right or wrong.. people demand blood when stuff like this happens...
Yeah i agree that he may know what hes talking about and thats fine, but again he has nothing but what he has heard from other people he even said that he had heard from other people in the industry that is not evidence it is hearsay those people will need to be called into a court of law to testify.At this point there is NO PROOF only he said she said.
You very well may be correct about what may happen to sony i certainly dont have a crystal ball but one thing is for sure nothing will happen untill there is some sort of actual proof that sony is in the wrong. At this point in time sony is a victum of a cybercrime and nothing more.
Solid proof is only need for criminal charges...
Civil court is another matter... the standard of proof is much much lower....
A big example i can think of is OJ simpson.. innocent in criminal court.. but guilty in civil
I wouldn't expect sony to be found criminally negligent...
but I could for sure see them having successful civil lawsuits against them...
of course they will most likely end up settling the suits and offering people credit card monitoring and some form of agreement to do a better job of security / notification.
Well all I can say is that I have been buying Sony products for many years and have never had service or product problems with this company. I do believe the number of Sony custumers who are happy with them outways the number who hate on them.
Now I notice that a lot of people on this forum seem to be stuck on EQ1. Guys it isn't coming back get over it, it is a thing of the past. Things have always been like this in this industry. One thing goes out and a new thing comes in. The more technology that is found the firther they advance things and if they find something that meets a bigger crowd rather than a small one then that ios what they are going to go with because they are a big company and they obviously know what keeps them making monewy and keeps them surviving to continue to put new products out.
I play EQ2 and have seen nothing wrong with SOE's game nor tehri service or the way I get treated. Shoot when something is wrong with a quest they fiox the problem right online while you are talking to them. Try getting that on WoW. Not happening.
Was not trying to get off topic but felt like I needed to say that due to these people who continually attack a company when if you look out of over 100,000,000 costumers has had a total of less than 200 complaints with the BBB in the last 3 years. So I would not call that a horrible company.
Blizzard is 1/10 that size and has had 2500 complaints....
So no matter how you look at it you guys picking Sony apart they will still have a strong enough amount of people backing this that are matrure and know that companies are made of humans which at times error and make mistakes but you have to look at teh overall and not just tear them apart on one product or one mistake
No matter how you look at this Sony is just as much of a victim here as us. This isn't about vengeance is mine this has been a major offense to everyone involved and no matter how you look at it. the criminals are who you should be tearing apart in this they are the ones that caused this. Sure Sony may have not felt like they needed to Beef things up but did you think that maybe that was because they had faith in their consumers that this kind of thing might not happen?
No instead someone gets in trouble because he messed with a patented code on the PS3 and hacks into it which gave them total rights to sue that person and everyone turns on them like vultures for them breaking the law in the first place? I guess I just do not understand todays way of thinking. It is sad when a long upstanding company gets attacked and everyone blames them for what the other person who did this needs to be taking responsibility for.
I am responsible for everything I do no one else makes me do this I do this by choise so if I mess with a patented code this is my fault not anyone elses and if I am breaking the law I have to pay the consequences. Think before you act. Think of the consequences of what is going to come out of what you are doing. And if you think the cons outway the pros don't do it. Breaking into someone's patent or hacking into systems is just as bad as drug addiucts that peddle drugs to our kids.
You all sound like a bunch of bitter alcoholics who don't know how to take responsibility for their own actions.
So my point is, is that no matter how you look at this Somy is a victim right along with the rest of us. This is no different from teh Twin Towers and I don't hear anyone blaming our own government for that anymore even though they were tipped off that there was a threat lol. Everyone is just Glad that Osama is dead.
This is a really tough break for not only Sony but the entire industry because this was a very largescale attack and yes other large companies have to sit and wait and see if they might possibly be the next target of this persons diabolical plans whatever they are.
As far as Sony recovering it is like someone else said before people tend to have short term memories as soon as Sony comes out with the next best product whether it be online or consoles everyone will buy it and they will forget about this.
As far as how Sony chose to let information out. I will not say it was right or wrong, however they did not do things in any other way thanthe government would have. Do you think the government would have let it out so it would panis the entire nation until they had exact facts? No they would not have and that is what Sony did was wait until they had all of the phorensic facts on what information was stolen so that they could inform people properly and not start a panic. No government agency would have done any less.
I stopped reading when you thought SOE is bigger then Activision Blizzard. I wouldnt have read any of it if I could reactivate my EQ1 account. Cause EQ1 is the best game ever. It's science.
He didn't say SOE he said Sony. They make a lot more than just games. So they are a lot bigger than AB.
Well all I can say is that I have been buying Sony products for many years and have never had service or product problems with this company. I do believe the number of Sony custumers who are happy with them outways the number who hate on them.
Now I notice that a lot of people on this forum seem to be stuck on EQ1. Guys it isn't coming back get over it, it is a thing of the past. Things have always been like this in this industry. One thing goes out and a new thing comes in. The more technology that is found the firther they advance things and if they find something that meets a bigger crowd rather than a small one then that ios what they are going to go with because they are a big company and they obviously know what keeps them making monewy and keeps them surviving to continue to put new products out.
I play EQ2 and have seen nothing wrong with SOE's game nor tehri service or the way I get treated. Shoot when something is wrong with a quest they fiox the problem right online while you are talking to them. Try getting that on WoW. Not happening.
Was not trying to get off topic but felt like I needed to say that due to these people who continually attack a company when if you look out of over 100,000,000 costumers has had a total of less than 200 complaints with the BBB in the last 3 years. So I would not call that a horrible company.
Blizzard is 1/10 that size and has had 2500 complaints....
So no matter how you look at it you guys picking Sony apart they will still have a strong enough amount of people backing this that are matrure and know that companies are made of humans which at times error and make mistakes but you have to look at teh overall and not just tear them apart on one product or one mistake
No matter how you look at this Sony is just as much of a victim here as us. This isn't about vengeance is mine this has been a major offense to everyone involved and no matter how you look at it. the criminals are who you should be tearing apart in this they are the ones that caused this. Sure Sony may have not felt like they needed to Beef things up but did you think that maybe that was because they had faith in their consumers that this kind of thing might not happen?
No instead someone gets in trouble because he messed with a patented code on the PS3 and hacks into it which gave them total rights to sue that person and everyone turns on them like vultures for them breaking the law in the first place? I guess I just do not understand todays way of thinking. It is sad when a long upstanding company gets attacked and everyone blames them for what the other person who did this needs to be taking responsibility for.
I am responsible for everything I do no one else makes me do this I do this by choise so if I mess with a patented code this is my fault not anyone elses and if I am breaking the law I have to pay the consequences. Think before you act. Think of the consequences of what is going to come out of what you are doing. And if you think the cons outway the pros don't do it. Breaking into someone's patent or hacking into systems is just as bad as drug addiucts that peddle drugs to our kids.
You all sound like a bunch of bitter alcoholics who don't know how to take responsibility for their own actions.
So my point is, is that no matter how you look at this Somy is a victim right along with the rest of us. This is no different from teh Twin Towers and I don't hear anyone blaming our own government for that anymore even though they were tipped off that there was a threat lol. Everyone is just Glad that Osama is dead.
This is a really tough break for not only Sony but the entire industry because this was a very largescale attack and yes other large companies have to sit and wait and see if they might possibly be the next target of this persons diabolical plans whatever they are.
As far as Sony recovering it is like someone else said before people tend to have short term memories as soon as Sony comes out with the next best product whether it be online or consoles everyone will buy it and they will forget about this.
As far as how Sony chose to let information out. I will not say it was right or wrong, however they did not do things in any other way thanthe government would have. Do you think the government would have let it out so it would panis the entire nation until they had exact facts? No they would not have and that is what Sony did was wait until they had all of the phorensic facts on what information was stolen so that they could inform people properly and not start a panic. No government agency would have done any less.
I stopped reading when you thought SOE is bigger then Activision Blizzard. I wouldnt have read any of it if I could reactivate my EQ1 account. Cause EQ1 is the best game ever. It's science.
Even if you ignore most of sony and just focus on SCEA,SCEE and SOE, they dwarf Acti/Bliz.
Well all I can say is that I have been buying Sony products for many years and have never had service or product problems with this company. I do believe the number of Sony custumers who are happy with them outways the number who hate on them.
Now I notice that a lot of people on this forum seem to be stuck on EQ1. Guys it isn't coming back get over it, it is a thing of the past. Things have always been like this in this industry. One thing goes out and a new thing comes in. The more technology that is found the firther they advance things and if they find something that meets a bigger crowd rather than a small one then that ios what they are going to go with because they are a big company and they obviously know what keeps them making monewy and keeps them surviving to continue to put new products out.
I play EQ2 and have seen nothing wrong with SOE's game nor tehri service or the way I get treated. Shoot when something is wrong with a quest they fiox the problem right online while you are talking to them. Try getting that on WoW. Not happening.
Was not trying to get off topic but felt like I needed to say that due to these people who continually attack a company when if you look out of over 100,000,000 costumers has had a total of less than 200 complaints with the BBB in the last 3 years. So I would not call that a horrible company.
Blizzard is 1/10 that size and has had 2500 complaints....
So no matter how you look at it you guys picking Sony apart they will still have a strong enough amount of people backing this that are matrure and know that companies are made of humans which at times error and make mistakes but you have to look at teh overall and not just tear them apart on one product or one mistake
No matter how you look at this Sony is just as much of a victim here as us. This isn't about vengeance is mine this has been a major offense to everyone involved and no matter how you look at it. the criminals are who you should be tearing apart in this they are the ones that caused this. Sure Sony may have not felt like they needed to Beef things up but did you think that maybe that was because they had faith in their consumers that this kind of thing might not happen?
No instead someone gets in trouble because he messed with a patented code on the PS3 and hacks into it which gave them total rights to sue that person and everyone turns on them like vultures for them breaking the law in the first place? I guess I just do not understand todays way of thinking. It is sad when a long upstanding company gets attacked and everyone blames them for what the other person who did this needs to be taking responsibility for.
I am responsible for everything I do no one else makes me do this I do this by choise so if I mess with a patented code this is my fault not anyone elses and if I am breaking the law I have to pay the consequences. Think before you act. Think of the consequences of what is going to come out of what you are doing. And if you think the cons outway the pros don't do it. Breaking into someone's patent or hacking into systems is just as bad as drug addiucts that peddle drugs to our kids.
You all sound like a bunch of bitter alcoholics who don't know how to take responsibility for their own actions.
So my point is, is that no matter how you look at this Somy is a victim right along with the rest of us. This is no different from teh Twin Towers and I don't hear anyone blaming our own government for that anymore even though they were tipped off that there was a threat lol. Everyone is just Glad that Osama is dead.
This is a really tough break for not only Sony but the entire industry because this was a very largescale attack and yes other large companies have to sit and wait and see if they might possibly be the next target of this persons diabolical plans whatever they are.
As far as Sony recovering it is like someone else said before people tend to have short term memories as soon as Sony comes out with the next best product whether it be online or consoles everyone will buy it and they will forget about this.
As far as how Sony chose to let information out. I will not say it was right or wrong, however they did not do things in any other way thanthe government would have. Do you think the government would have let it out so it would panis the entire nation until they had exact facts? No they would not have and that is what Sony did was wait until they had all of the phorensic facts on what information was stolen so that they could inform people properly and not start a panic. No government agency would have done any less.
I stopped reading when you thought SOE is bigger then Activision Blizzard. I wouldnt have read any of it if I could reactivate my EQ1 account. Cause EQ1 is the best game ever. It's science.
He didn't say SOE he said Sony. They make a lot more than just games. So they are a lot bigger than AB.
Looks like SOE to me. lololol sony makes bulldozers and tea kettles duh
Well all I can say is that I have been buying Sony products for many years and have never had service or product problems with this company. I do believe the number of Sony custumers who are happy with them outways the number who hate on them.
Now I notice that a lot of people on this forum seem to be stuck on EQ1. Guys it isn't coming back get over it, it is a thing of the past. Things have always been like this in this industry. One thing goes out and a new thing comes in. The more technology that is found the firther they advance things and if they find something that meets a bigger crowd rather than a small one then that ios what they are going to go with because they are a big company and they obviously know what keeps them making monewy and keeps them surviving to continue to put new products out.
I play EQ2 and have seen nothing wrong with SOE's game nor tehri service or the way I get treated. Shoot when something is wrong with a quest they fiox the problem right online while you are talking to them. Try getting that on WoW. Not happening.
Was not trying to get off topic but felt like I needed to say that due to these people who continually attack a company when if you look out of over 100,000,000 costumers has had a total of less than 200 complaints with the BBB in the last 3 years. So I would not call that a horrible company.
Blizzard is 1/10 that size and has had 2500 complaints....
So no matter how you look at it you guys picking Sony apart they will still have a strong enough amount of people backing this that are matrure and know that companies are made of humans which at times error and make mistakes but you have to look at teh overall and not just tear them apart on one product or one mistake
No matter how you look at this Sony is just as much of a victim here as us. This isn't about vengeance is mine this has been a major offense to everyone involved and no matter how you look at it. the criminals are who you should be tearing apart in this they are the ones that caused this. Sure Sony may have not felt like they needed to Beef things up but did you think that maybe that was because they had faith in their consumers that this kind of thing might not happen?
No instead someone gets in trouble because he messed with a patented code on the PS3 and hacks into it which gave them total rights to sue that person and everyone turns on them like vultures for them breaking the law in the first place? I guess I just do not understand todays way of thinking. It is sad when a long upstanding company gets attacked and everyone blames them for what the other person who did this needs to be taking responsibility for.
I am responsible for everything I do no one else makes me do this I do this by choise so if I mess with a patented code this is my fault not anyone elses and if I am breaking the law I have to pay the consequences. Think before you act. Think of the consequences of what is going to come out of what you are doing. And if you think the cons outway the pros don't do it. Breaking into someone's patent or hacking into systems is just as bad as drug addiucts that peddle drugs to our kids.
You all sound like a bunch of bitter alcoholics who don't know how to take responsibility for their own actions.
So my point is, is that no matter how you look at this Somy is a victim right along with the rest of us. This is no different from teh Twin Towers and I don't hear anyone blaming our own government for that anymore even though they were tipped off that there was a threat lol. Everyone is just Glad that Osama is dead.
This is a really tough break for not only Sony but the entire industry because this was a very largescale attack and yes other large companies have to sit and wait and see if they might possibly be the next target of this persons diabolical plans whatever they are.
As far as Sony recovering it is like someone else said before people tend to have short term memories as soon as Sony comes out with the next best product whether it be online or consoles everyone will buy it and they will forget about this.
As far as how Sony chose to let information out. I will not say it was right or wrong, however they did not do things in any other way thanthe government would have. Do you think the government would have let it out so it would panis the entire nation until they had exact facts? No they would not have and that is what Sony did was wait until they had all of the phorensic facts on what information was stolen so that they could inform people properly and not start a panic. No government agency would have done any less.
I stopped reading when you thought SOE is bigger then Activision Blizzard. I wouldnt have read any of it if I could reactivate my EQ1 account. Cause EQ1 is the best game ever. It's science.
He didn't say SOE he said Sony. They make a lot more than just games. So they are a lot bigger than AB.
Looks like SOE to me. lololol sony makes bulldozers and tea kettles duh
They make TVs. Laptops, Cameras, Music players, Stereos, etc. Reading that in context it didn't look like he was talking about SOE to me. Looks like he's talking about complaints filed with the BBB Sony vs AB.
Well all I can say is that I have been buying Sony products for many years and have never had service or product problems with this company. I do believe the number of Sony custumers who are happy with them outways the number who hate on them.
Now I notice that a lot of people on this forum seem to be stuck on EQ1. Guys it isn't coming back get over it, it is a thing of the past. Things have always been like this in this industry. One thing goes out and a new thing comes in. The more technology that is found the firther they advance things and if they find something that meets a bigger crowd rather than a small one then that ios what they are going to go with because they are a big company and they obviously know what keeps them making monewy and keeps them surviving to continue to put new products out.
I play EQ2 and have seen nothing wrong with SOE's game nor tehri service or the way I get treated. Shoot when something is wrong with a quest they fiox the problem right online while you are talking to them. Try getting that on WoW. Not happening.
Was not trying to get off topic but felt like I needed to say that due to these people who continually attack a company when if you look out of over 100,000,000 costumers has had a total of less than 200 complaints with the BBB in the last 3 years. So I would not call that a horrible company.
Blizzard is 1/10 that size and has had 2500 complaints....
So no matter how you look at it you guys picking Sony apart they will still have a strong enough amount of people backing this that are matrure and know that companies are made of humans which at times error and make mistakes but you have to look at teh overall and not just tear them apart on one product or one mistake
No matter how you look at this Sony is just as much of a victim here as us. This isn't about vengeance is mine this has been a major offense to everyone involved and no matter how you look at it. the criminals are who you should be tearing apart in this they are the ones that caused this. Sure Sony may have not felt like they needed to Beef things up but did you think that maybe that was because they had faith in their consumers that this kind of thing might not happen?
No instead someone gets in trouble because he messed with a patented code on the PS3 and hacks into it which gave them total rights to sue that person and everyone turns on them like vultures for them breaking the law in the first place? I guess I just do not understand todays way of thinking. It is sad when a long upstanding company gets attacked and everyone blames them for what the other person who did this needs to be taking responsibility for.
I am responsible for everything I do no one else makes me do this I do this by choise so if I mess with a patented code this is my fault not anyone elses and if I am breaking the law I have to pay the consequences. Think before you act. Think of the consequences of what is going to come out of what you are doing. And if you think the cons outway the pros don't do it. Breaking into someone's patent or hacking into systems is just as bad as drug addiucts that peddle drugs to our kids.
You all sound like a bunch of bitter alcoholics who don't know how to take responsibility for their own actions.
So my point is, is that no matter how you look at this Somy is a victim right along with the rest of us. This is no different from teh Twin Towers and I don't hear anyone blaming our own government for that anymore even though they were tipped off that there was a threat lol. Everyone is just Glad that Osama is dead.
This is a really tough break for not only Sony but the entire industry because this was a very largescale attack and yes other large companies have to sit and wait and see if they might possibly be the next target of this persons diabolical plans whatever they are.
As far as Sony recovering it is like someone else said before people tend to have short term memories as soon as Sony comes out with the next best product whether it be online or consoles everyone will buy it and they will forget about this.
As far as how Sony chose to let information out. I will not say it was right or wrong, however they did not do things in any other way thanthe government would have. Do you think the government would have let it out so it would panis the entire nation until they had exact facts? No they would not have and that is what Sony did was wait until they had all of the phorensic facts on what information was stolen so that they could inform people properly and not start a panic. No government agency would have done any less.
I stopped reading when you thought SOE is bigger then Activision Blizzard. I wouldnt have read any of it if I could reactivate my EQ1 account. Cause EQ1 is the best game ever. It's science.
He didn't say SOE he said Sony. They make a lot more than just games. So they are a lot bigger than AB.
Looks like SOE to me. lololol sony makes bulldozers and tea kettles duh
considering everone on the ps3 has an account with sony online entertainment it really isnt even close.Blizzard is a dwarf compared to soe.
The only research i could find was mmorpg market data from 2010
I doubt anything for 2011 would be published yet.. since the year isn't over and it takes time to compile the data
but last year Activision blizzard had a 54% market share for mmo's which was down from 60% the previous year.. so who knows.. maybe they wont be the largest provider anymore
sony is not the biggest based on the market research I've seen.
And the research looks incredibly thorough and unbiased from a statistics monitoring company (they probably make money selling research to large investors so they can make investment decisions)...
Well all I can say is that I have been buying Sony products for many years and have never had service or product problems with this company. I do believe the number of Sony custumers who are happy with them outways the number who hate on them.
Now I notice that a lot of people on this forum seem to be stuck on EQ1. Guys it isn't coming back get over it, it is a thing of the past. Things have always been like this in this industry. One thing goes out and a new thing comes in. The more technology that is found the firther they advance things and if they find something that meets a bigger crowd rather than a small one then that ios what they are going to go with because they are a big company and they obviously know what keeps them making monewy and keeps them surviving to continue to put new products out.
I play EQ2 and have seen nothing wrong with SOE's game nor tehri service or the way I get treated. Shoot when something is wrong with a quest they fiox the problem right online while you are talking to them. Try getting that on WoW. Not happening.
Was not trying to get off topic but felt like I needed to say that due to these people who continually attack a company when if you look out of over 100,000,000 costumers has had a total of less than 200 complaints with the BBB in the last 3 years. So I would not call that a horrible company.
Blizzard is 1/10 that size and has had 2500 complaints....
So no matter how you look at it you guys picking Sony apart they will still have a strong enough amount of people backing this that are matrure and know that companies are made of humans which at times error and make mistakes but you have to look at teh overall and not just tear them apart on one product or one mistake
No matter how you look at this Sony is just as much of a victim here as us. This isn't about vengeance is mine this has been a major offense to everyone involved and no matter how you look at it. the criminals are who you should be tearing apart in this they are the ones that caused this. Sure Sony may have not felt like they needed to Beef things up but did you think that maybe that was because they had faith in their consumers that this kind of thing might not happen?
No instead someone gets in trouble because he messed with a patented code on the PS3 and hacks into it which gave them total rights to sue that person and everyone turns on them like vultures for them breaking the law in the first place? I guess I just do not understand todays way of thinking. It is sad when a long upstanding company gets attacked and everyone blames them for what the other person who did this needs to be taking responsibility for.
I am responsible for everything I do no one else makes me do this I do this by choise so if I mess with a patented code this is my fault not anyone elses and if I am breaking the law I have to pay the consequences. Think before you act. Think of the consequences of what is going to come out of what you are doing. And if you think the cons outway the pros don't do it. Breaking into someone's patent or hacking into systems is just as bad as drug addiucts that peddle drugs to our kids.
You all sound like a bunch of bitter alcoholics who don't know how to take responsibility for their own actions.
So my point is, is that no matter how you look at this Somy is a victim right along with the rest of us. This is no different from teh Twin Towers and I don't hear anyone blaming our own government for that anymore even though they were tipped off that there was a threat lol. Everyone is just Glad that Osama is dead.
This is a really tough break for not only Sony but the entire industry because this was a very largescale attack and yes other large companies have to sit and wait and see if they might possibly be the next target of this persons diabolical plans whatever they are.
As far as Sony recovering it is like someone else said before people tend to have short term memories as soon as Sony comes out with the next best product whether it be online or consoles everyone will buy it and they will forget about this.
As far as how Sony chose to let information out. I will not say it was right or wrong, however they did not do things in any other way thanthe government would have. Do you think the government would have let it out so it would panis the entire nation until they had exact facts? No they would not have and that is what Sony did was wait until they had all of the phorensic facts on what information was stolen so that they could inform people properly and not start a panic. No government agency would have done any less.
I stopped reading when you thought SOE is bigger then Activision Blizzard. I wouldnt have read any of it if I could reactivate my EQ1 account. Cause EQ1 is the best game ever. It's science.
He didn't say SOE he said Sony. They make a lot more than just games. So they are a lot bigger than AB.
Looks like SOE to me. lololol sony makes bulldozers and tea kettles duh
And I said Blizzard NOT activision Blizzard. They are seperate entities. and 24,000,000 to 12,000,000???? Hmmmm well ok half. 200 verses 2500 with SOE and Blizzard: not Sony and Activision Blizzard.
Well all I can say is that I have been buying Sony products for many years and have never had service or product problems with this company. I do believe the number of Sony custumers who are happy with them outways the number who hate on them.
Now I notice that a lot of people on this forum seem to be stuck on EQ1. Guys it isn't coming back get over it, it is a thing of the past. Things have always been like this in this industry. One thing goes out and a new thing comes in. The more technology that is found the firther they advance things and if they find something that meets a bigger crowd rather than a small one then that ios what they are going to go with because they are a big company and they obviously know what keeps them making monewy and keeps them surviving to continue to put new products out.
I play EQ2 and have seen nothing wrong with SOE's game nor tehri service or the way I get treated. Shoot when something is wrong with a quest they fiox the problem right online while you are talking to them. Try getting that on WoW. Not happening.
Was not trying to get off topic but felt like I needed to say that due to these people who continually attack a company when if you look out of over 100,000,000 costumers has had a total of less than 200 complaints with the BBB in the last 3 years. So I would not call that a horrible company.
Blizzard is 1/10 that size and has had 2500 complaints....
So no matter how you look at it you guys picking Sony apart they will still have a strong enough amount of people backing this that are matrure and know that companies are made of humans which at times error and make mistakes but you have to look at teh overall and not just tear them apart on one product or one mistake
No matter how you look at this Sony is just as much of a victim here as us. This isn't about vengeance is mine this has been a major offense to everyone involved and no matter how you look at it. the criminals are who you should be tearing apart in this they are the ones that caused this. Sure Sony may have not felt like they needed to Beef things up but did you think that maybe that was because they had faith in their consumers that this kind of thing might not happen?
No instead someone gets in trouble because he messed with a patented code on the PS3 and hacks into it which gave them total rights to sue that person and everyone turns on them like vultures for them breaking the law in the first place? I guess I just do not understand todays way of thinking. It is sad when a long upstanding company gets attacked and everyone blames them for what the other person who did this needs to be taking responsibility for.
I am responsible for everything I do no one else makes me do this I do this by choise so if I mess with a patented code this is my fault not anyone elses and if I am breaking the law I have to pay the consequences. Think before you act. Think of the consequences of what is going to come out of what you are doing. And if you think the cons outway the pros don't do it. Breaking into someone's patent or hacking into systems is just as bad as drug addiucts that peddle drugs to our kids.
You all sound like a bunch of bitter alcoholics who don't know how to take responsibility for their own actions.
So my point is, is that no matter how you look at this Somy is a victim right along with the rest of us. This is no different from teh Twin Towers and I don't hear anyone blaming our own government for that anymore even though they were tipped off that there was a threat lol. Everyone is just Glad that Osama is dead.
This is a really tough break for not only Sony but the entire industry because this was a very largescale attack and yes other large companies have to sit and wait and see if they might possibly be the next target of this persons diabolical plans whatever they are.
As far as Sony recovering it is like someone else said before people tend to have short term memories as soon as Sony comes out with the next best product whether it be online or consoles everyone will buy it and they will forget about this.
As far as how Sony chose to let information out. I will not say it was right or wrong, however they did not do things in any other way thanthe government would have. Do you think the government would have let it out so it would panis the entire nation until they had exact facts? No they would not have and that is what Sony did was wait until they had all of the phorensic facts on what information was stolen so that they could inform people properly and not start a panic. No government agency would have done any less.
I stopped reading when you thought SOE is bigger then Activision Blizzard. I wouldnt have read any of it if I could reactivate my EQ1 account. Cause EQ1 is the best game ever. It's science.
He didn't say SOE he said Sony. They make a lot more than just games. So they are a lot bigger than AB.
Looks like SOE to me. lololol sony makes bulldozers and tea kettles duh
They make TVs. Laptops, Cameras, Music players, Stereos, etc. Reading that in context it didn't look like he was talking about SOE to me. Looks like he's talking about complaints filed with the BBB Sony vs AB.
Reading that in context makes me think has has better weed than me. And reading that in this threads context makes me think he is talking about EQ2 and SOE. You know, because this thread is about SOE, and about SOE account info being stolen, and not my freaking toaster oven or flash light or whatever the hell else they claim to make. i dont believe it!
Sony needs to aim for a new MMO that will revive them in the MMO market there games are coming to expiration, I played everquest for years then swg up till a few months ago. Both of these games are dying especially swg since it can not go free like eq II did because of the unique housing and city system...
Well all I can say is that I have been buying Sony products for many years and have never had service or product problems with this company. I do believe the number of Sony custumers who are happy with them outways the number who hate on them.
Now I notice that a lot of people on this forum seem to be stuck on EQ1. Guys it isn't coming back get over it, it is a thing of the past. Things have always been like this in this industry. One thing goes out and a new thing comes in. The more technology that is found the firther they advance things and if they find something that meets a bigger crowd rather than a small one then that ios what they are going to go with because they are a big company and they obviously know what keeps them making monewy and keeps them surviving to continue to put new products out.
I play EQ2 and have seen nothing wrong with SOE's game nor tehri service or the way I get treated. Shoot when something is wrong with a quest they fiox the problem right online while you are talking to them. Try getting that on WoW. Not happening.
Was not trying to get off topic but felt like I needed to say that due to these people who continually attack a company when if you look out of over 100,000,000 costumers has had a total of less than 200 complaints with the BBB in the last 3 years. So I would not call that a horrible company.
Blizzard is 1/10 that size and has had 2500 complaints....
So no matter how you look at it you guys picking Sony apart they will still have a strong enough amount of people backing this that are matrure and know that companies are made of humans which at times error and make mistakes but you have to look at teh overall and not just tear them apart on one product or one mistake
No matter how you look at this Sony is just as much of a victim here as us. This isn't about vengeance is mine this has been a major offense to everyone involved and no matter how you look at it. the criminals are who you should be tearing apart in this they are the ones that caused this. Sure Sony may have not felt like they needed to Beef things up but did you think that maybe that was because they had faith in their consumers that this kind of thing might not happen?
No instead someone gets in trouble because he messed with a patented code on the PS3 and hacks into it which gave them total rights to sue that person and everyone turns on them like vultures for them breaking the law in the first place? I guess I just do not understand todays way of thinking. It is sad when a long upstanding company gets attacked and everyone blames them for what the other person who did this needs to be taking responsibility for.
I am responsible for everything I do no one else makes me do this I do this by choise so if I mess with a patented code this is my fault not anyone elses and if I am breaking the law I have to pay the consequences. Think before you act. Think of the consequences of what is going to come out of what you are doing. And if you think the cons outway the pros don't do it. Breaking into someone's patent or hacking into systems is just as bad as drug addiucts that peddle drugs to our kids.
You all sound like a bunch of bitter alcoholics who don't know how to take responsibility for their own actions.
So my point is, is that no matter how you look at this Somy is a victim right along with the rest of us. This is no different from teh Twin Towers and I don't hear anyone blaming our own government for that anymore even though they were tipped off that there was a threat lol. Everyone is just Glad that Osama is dead.
This is a really tough break for not only Sony but the entire industry because this was a very largescale attack and yes other large companies have to sit and wait and see if they might possibly be the next target of this persons diabolical plans whatever they are.
As far as Sony recovering it is like someone else said before people tend to have short term memories as soon as Sony comes out with the next best product whether it be online or consoles everyone will buy it and they will forget about this.
As far as how Sony chose to let information out. I will not say it was right or wrong, however they did not do things in any other way thanthe government would have. Do you think the government would have let it out so it would panis the entire nation until they had exact facts? No they would not have and that is what Sony did was wait until they had all of the phorensic facts on what information was stolen so that they could inform people properly and not start a panic. No government agency would have done any less.
I stopped reading when you thought SOE is bigger then Activision Blizzard. I wouldnt have read any of it if I could reactivate my EQ1 account. Cause EQ1 is the best game ever. It's science.
He didn't say SOE he said Sony. They make a lot more than just games. So they are a lot bigger than AB.
Looks like SOE to me. lololol sony makes bulldozers and tea kettles duh
And I said Blizzard NOT activision Blizzard. They are seperate entities. and 24,000,000 to 12,000,000???? Hmmmm well ok half.
good lord man put the pipe down. for a second at least.
The only research i could find was mmorpg market data from 2010
I doubt anything for 2011 would be published yet.. since the year isn't over and it takes time to compile the data
but last year Activision blizzard had a 54% market share for mmo's which was down from 60% the previous year.. so who knows.. maybe they wont be the largest provider anymore
sony is not the biggest based on the market research I've seen.
And the research looks incredibly thorough and unbiased from a statistics monitoring company (they probably make money selling research to large investors so they can make investment decisions)...
sure if we are just talking mmo then yeah there is no arguing blizzard is the king at the moment but gaming wise and people who have gaming accounts(customers) with soe it isn't even close.
Well all I can say is that I have been buying Sony products for many years and have never had service or product problems with this company. I do believe the number of Sony custumers who are happy with them outways the number who hate on them.
Now I notice that a lot of people on this forum seem to be stuck on EQ1. Guys it isn't coming back get over it, it is a thing of the past. Things have always been like this in this industry. One thing goes out and a new thing comes in. The more technology that is found the firther they advance things and if they find something that meets a bigger crowd rather than a small one then that ios what they are going to go with because they are a big company and they obviously know what keeps them making monewy and keeps them surviving to continue to put new products out.
I play EQ2 and have seen nothing wrong with SOE's game nor tehri service or the way I get treated. Shoot when something is wrong with a quest they fiox the problem right online while you are talking to them. Try getting that on WoW. Not happening.
Was not trying to get off topic but felt like I needed to say that due to these people who continually attack a company when if you look out of over 100,000,000 costumers has had a total of less than 200 complaints with the BBB in the last 3 years. So I would not call that a horrible company.
Blizzard is 1/10 that size and has had 2500 complaints....
So no matter how you look at it you guys picking Sony apart they will still have a strong enough amount of people backing this that are matrure and know that companies are made of humans which at times error and make mistakes but you have to look at teh overall and not just tear them apart on one product or one mistake
No matter how you look at this Sony is just as much of a victim here as us. This isn't about vengeance is mine this has been a major offense to everyone involved and no matter how you look at it. the criminals are who you should be tearing apart in this they are the ones that caused this. Sure Sony may have not felt like they needed to Beef things up but did you think that maybe that was because they had faith in their consumers that this kind of thing might not happen?
No instead someone gets in trouble because he messed with a patented code on the PS3 and hacks into it which gave them total rights to sue that person and everyone turns on them like vultures for them breaking the law in the first place? I guess I just do not understand todays way of thinking. It is sad when a long upstanding company gets attacked and everyone blames them for what the other person who did this needs to be taking responsibility for.
I am responsible for everything I do no one else makes me do this I do this by choise so if I mess with a patented code this is my fault not anyone elses and if I am breaking the law I have to pay the consequences. Think before you act. Think of the consequences of what is going to come out of what you are doing. And if you think the cons outway the pros don't do it. Breaking into someone's patent or hacking into systems is just as bad as drug addiucts that peddle drugs to our kids.
You all sound like a bunch of bitter alcoholics who don't know how to take responsibility for their own actions.
So my point is, is that no matter how you look at this Somy is a victim right along with the rest of us. This is no different from teh Twin Towers and I don't hear anyone blaming our own government for that anymore even though they were tipped off that there was a threat lol. Everyone is just Glad that Osama is dead.
This is a really tough break for not only Sony but the entire industry because this was a very largescale attack and yes other large companies have to sit and wait and see if they might possibly be the next target of this persons diabolical plans whatever they are.
As far as Sony recovering it is like someone else said before people tend to have short term memories as soon as Sony comes out with the next best product whether it be online or consoles everyone will buy it and they will forget about this.
As far as how Sony chose to let information out. I will not say it was right or wrong, however they did not do things in any other way thanthe government would have. Do you think the government would have let it out so it would panis the entire nation until they had exact facts? No they would not have and that is what Sony did was wait until they had all of the phorensic facts on what information was stolen so that they could inform people properly and not start a panic. No government agency would have done any less.
I stopped reading when you thought SOE is bigger then Activision Blizzard. I wouldnt have read any of it if I could reactivate my EQ1 account. Cause EQ1 is the best game ever. It's science.
He didn't say SOE he said Sony. They make a lot more than just games. So they are a lot bigger than AB.
Looks like SOE to me. lololol sony makes bulldozers and tea kettles duh
They make TVs. Laptops, Cameras, Music players, Stereos, etc. Reading that in context it didn't look like he was talking about SOE to me. Looks like he's talking about complaints filed with the BBB Sony vs AB.
Reading that in context makes me think has has better weed than me. And reading that in this threads context makes me think he is talking about EQ2 and SOE. You know, because this thread is about SOE, and about SOE account info being stolen, and not my freaking toaster oven or flash light or whatever the hell else they claim to make. i dont believe it!
Sony's current situation in regards to account information and CC information goes well beyond just SOE's mmorpgs.
Sony needs to aim for a new MMO that will revive them in the MMO market there games are coming to expiration, I played everquest for years then swg up till a few months ago. Both of these games are dying especially swg since it can not go free like eq II did because of the unique housing and city system...
No man EQ1 has a new progression server up and people are saying it has good population. Its Fippy Darkpaw and currently still Classic EQ pre-kunark. When SOE fixes their shit we can go have fun like the good days and drink lots of beer and go piss around in Sol's eye.
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I do a lot of looking around and so far there simply is no real evidence to speak of. There is plenty of he said she said type of stuff floating around but here in the real world thats called hearsay, this dumbass they had testifying before congress isnt even involved in the day to day at sony all he is doing is spreading hearsay. It's amazing how some people see something on tv or the internet and jump on the bandwagon.
I am certainly not saying sony didnt fail with their network security however as i dont have any Knowlede about their network and how it is configured i am not qualified to pass judgement one way or the other and neither is anyone else accept the people who work on it day to day. The simple fact of the matter is that there are many many ways to configure a network and without knowing some specifics it's kinda silly to comment about anything reguarding it. So far no one who is actually qualifed to say what is what has given any information.
Just because he doesn't work at Sony doesn't mean he doesn't know what he is talking about.
You don't gotta go to mars to be an expert on space rocks for example.
Bottom line is Sony screwed up... big time.. even if they weren't negligent.. they weren't as vigilant as they should have been.
They are going to be sued / fined / penalized in some form or another.. It's going to happen.. Right or wrong.. people demand blood when stuff like this happens...
Come on man, he said could. And really, if there's an intrusion, it's reasonable to believe, until proven otherwise, that something was taken.
Sony could have come out of this smelling like roses had they been more proactive (although if it turns out the 'they weren't running a firewall' is true...well they don't make roses strong enough for that).
If there are other companies running around with security as lax, maybe they'll tighten things up too. I wouldn't think anyone else is, but I wouldn't have thought Sony was.).
Spec'ing properly is a gateway drug.
12 Million People have been meter spammed in heroics.
uhm... why would apache NEED to contact SoE?:D updating server software reguarding security flaws is a REGULAR duty of ANY system admin:D
Who CARES if ANYONE knew if SoE is using a firewall? it is their RESPONSIBILITY to ensure your PERSONAL INFORMATION is SECURED under THEIR care....
does ANYONE feel safe giving SoE ANY real information KNOWING that their personal information is stored in plain text in SoE servers?
the burden of proof in security of YOUR information is on the side of SoE... THEY are the one's that MUST prove YOUR information is secure under THEIR care.....
kinda like it's the military's responsibility to PROVE that NUCLEAR WEAPONS are safe under THEIR care:D
or maybe you feel that someone should warn delta their airplanes need to be serviced before it falls out of the sky while YOU are in the plane?
Well all I can say is that I have been buying Sony products for many years and have never had service or product problems with this company. I do believe the number of Sony custumers who are happy with them outways the number who hate on them.
Now I notice that a lot of people on this forum seem to be stuck on EQ1. Guys it isn't coming back get over it, it is a thing of the past. Things have always been like this in this industry. One thing goes out and a new thing comes in. The more technology that is found the firther they advance things and if they find something that meets a bigger crowd rather than a small one then that ios what they are going to go with because they are a big company and they obviously know what keeps them making monewy and keeps them surviving to continue to put new products out.
I play EQ2 and have seen nothing wrong with SOE's game nor tehri service or the way I get treated. Shoot when something is wrong with a quest they fiox the problem right online while you are talking to them. Try getting that on WoW. Not happening.
Was not trying to get off topic but felt like I needed to say that due to these people who continually attack a company when if you look out of over 100,000,000 costumers has had a total of less than 200 complaints with the BBB in the last 3 years. So I would not call that a horrible company.
Blizzard is 1/10 that size and has had 2500 complaints....
So no matter how you look at it you guys picking Sony apart they will still have a strong enough amount of people backing this that are matrure and know that companies are made of humans which at times error and make mistakes but you have to look at teh overall and not just tear them apart on one product or one mistake
No matter how you look at this Sony is just as much of a victim here as us. This isn't about vengeance is mine this has been a major offense to everyone involved and no matter how you look at it. the criminals are who you should be tearing apart in this they are the ones that caused this. Sure Sony may have not felt like they needed to Beef things up but did you think that maybe that was because they had faith in their consumers that this kind of thing might not happen?
No instead someone gets in trouble because he messed with a patented code on the PS3 and hacks into it which gave them total rights to sue that person and everyone turns on them like vultures for them breaking the law in the first place? I guess I just do not understand todays way of thinking. It is sad when a long upstanding company gets attacked and everyone blames them for what the other person who did this needs to be taking responsibility for.
I am responsible for everything I do no one else makes me do this I do this by choise so if I mess with a patented code this is my fault not anyone elses and if I am breaking the law I have to pay the consequences. Think before you act. Think of the consequences of what is going to come out of what you are doing. And if you think the cons outway the pros don't do it. Breaking into someone's patent or hacking into systems is just as bad as drug addiucts that peddle drugs to our kids.
You all sound like a bunch of bitter alcoholics who don't know how to take responsibility for their own actions.
So my point is, is that no matter how you look at this Somy is a victim right along with the rest of us. This is no different from teh Twin Towers and I don't hear anyone blaming our own government for that anymore even though they were tipped off that there was a threat lol. Everyone is just Glad that Osama is dead.
This is a really tough break for not only Sony but the entire industry because this was a very largescale attack and yes other large companies have to sit and wait and see if they might possibly be the next target of this persons diabolical plans whatever they are.
As far as Sony recovering it is like someone else said before people tend to have short term memories as soon as Sony comes out with the next best product whether it be online or consoles everyone will buy it and they will forget about this.
As far as how Sony chose to let information out. I will not say it was right or wrong, however they did not do things in any other way thanthe government would have. Do you think the government would have let it out so it would panis the entire nation until they had exact facts? No they would not have and that is what Sony did was wait until they had all of the phorensic facts on what information was stolen so that they could inform people properly and not start a panic. No government agency would have done any less.
Since now on, we gonna jail everyone who isn't able to prove their innocence.
Suspicion founded on evidence =/= throwing innocent people in jail
You seem prone to hyperbole
Yeah i agree that he may know what hes talking about and thats fine, but again he has nothing but what he has heard from other people he even said that he had heard from other people in the industry that is not evidence it is hearsay those people will need to be called into a court of law to testify.At this point there is NO PROOF only he said she said.
You very well may be correct about what may happen to sony i certainly dont have a crystal ball but one thing is for sure nothing will happen untill there is some sort of actual proof that sony is in the wrong. At this point in time sony is a victum of a cybercrime and nothing more.
I don't know where you're from but here in the US, interestingly enough, we do jail people that are suspected of anything but the smallest crimes. It's a very common initial reaction while investigators/courts investigate or rule on the matter.
"Innocent until proven guilty" is cute but it's not really the opposite show's it's head more often.
Spec'ing properly is a gateway drug.
12 Million People have been meter spammed in heroics.
I stopped reading when you thought SOE is bigger then Activision Blizzard. I wouldnt have read any of it if I could reactivate my EQ1 account. Cause EQ1 is the best game ever. It's science.
Solid proof is only need for criminal charges...
Civil court is another matter... the standard of proof is much much lower....
A big example i can think of is OJ simpson.. innocent in criminal court.. but guilty in civil
I wouldn't expect sony to be found criminally negligent...
but I could for sure see them having successful civil lawsuits against them...
of course they will most likely end up settling the suits and offering people credit card monitoring and some form of agreement to do a better job of security / notification.
He didn't say SOE he said Sony. They make a lot more than just games. So they are a lot bigger than AB.
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Even if you ignore most of sony and just focus on SCEA,SCEE and SOE, they dwarf Acti/Bliz.
Looks like SOE to me. lololol sony makes bulldozers and tea kettles duh
They make TVs. Laptops, Cameras, Music players, Stereos, etc. Reading that in context it didn't look like he was talking about SOE to me. Looks like he's talking about complaints filed with the BBB Sony vs AB.
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The only research i could find was mmorpg market data from 2010
I doubt anything for 2011 would be published yet.. since the year isn't over and it takes time to compile the data
but last year Activision blizzard had a 54% market share for mmo's which was down from 60% the previous year.. so who knows.. maybe they wont be the largest provider anymore
sony is not the biggest based on the market research I've seen.
And the research looks incredibly thorough and unbiased from a statistics monitoring company (they probably make money selling research to large investors so they can make investment decisions)...
I'd suggest you take a look at it.
http://www.screendigest.com/reports/2010822a/10_09_subscription_mmogs_mixed_fortunes_in_high_risk_game/view.html
And I said Blizzard NOT activision Blizzard. They are seperate entities. and 24,000,000 to 12,000,000???? Hmmmm well ok half. 200 verses 2500 with SOE and Blizzard: not Sony and Activision Blizzard.
Reading that in context makes me think has has better weed than me. And reading that in this threads context makes me think he is talking about EQ2 and SOE. You know, because this thread is about SOE, and about SOE account info being stolen, and not my freaking toaster oven or flash light or whatever the hell else they claim to make. i dont believe it!
Sony needs to aim for a new MMO that will revive them in the MMO market there games are coming to expiration, I played everquest for years then swg up till a few months ago. Both of these games are dying especially swg since it can not go free like eq II did because of the unique housing and city system...
good lord man put the pipe down. for a second at least.
sure if we are just talking mmo then yeah there is no arguing blizzard is the king at the moment but gaming wise and people who have gaming accounts(customers) with soe it isn't even close.
Sony's current situation in regards to account information and CC information goes well beyond just SOE's mmorpgs.
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No man EQ1 has a new progression server up and people are saying it has good population. Its Fippy Darkpaw and currently still Classic EQ pre-kunark. When SOE fixes their shit we can go have fun like the good days and drink lots of beer and go piss around in Sol's eye.
That's my biggest concern is how video game transactions are handled..
Maybe sony could consult with activision / blizzard (they are one company) because they seem to be doing a better job of security than sony