One of the main issues that I had with the EA store (and gamestop.com) and probably will also have with this new origin service is the "download protection" service.
They charge you $5 to keep your game for an aditional 6 or 18 months beyond the original 6 month purchase retention. That means if you dont pay that extra $5 you lose access to your game after the period ends.
D2D and Steam both sell you the game, and retain your game forever with no additional charges, fees, etc. Its $5 so its not really that big a deal. However, its nickle and diming you. Regardless of if you pay that $5 they have to keep the content on their server for other customers. I bought ONE game from EA store saw this fee, contacted support complained, and haven't been back since.
Unless they change that policy I strongly doubt origin will be able to compete with steam or d2d in the long run.
They stopped doing that a long time ago. I can still download games I bought years ago and I never paid an additional fee for that. I've bought many games from them over the years and I can download them whenever I want.
It's funny, that people actually use all these services like Steam.
The recent events of Sony being hacked should be a wake-up-call for everyone not to use services where personal data is being stored in large databases. And yes, all of them can be hacked by professionals.
I'm not even playing MMOs anymore that don't let me pay by GTC or banktransfer and I sure won't ever play a game that requires me to do an online-authentication, forcing me to setup an account on Steam or whatever.
I agree. I never liked these download game mentality. Give me a plain old box to display in my room, and be done with it. I don't shed ONE tear for Steam, because it always sucked and I hated games which needed Steam verification like the Total Wars series.
And the nerve they have to name some dumb "social network" or whatever Origin! The name of THE greatest game developing studio EVER, which EA bought and destroyed! Origin - We create(d) worlds will forever be the name of the best game studio, and misusing the brand for same godsforsaken network... the audacity!
It all sounds quite bad. All these EA hubris dreams of super control over their users and whatnot. And for those who want to buy games online it means to have installed several services like Steam now instead of just one service. Which of course makes the risk greater, also.
Yeah, I used to think the way you do. Until I saw that you can buy lots of games for relatively cheap with Steam.
I chose cheap games over having a physical copy, and I don't regret my decision one bit. Steam has been a renaissance of PC gaming for me, and as long as they keep offering games for a really good price I'll keep buying them.
I dont need another service like this... It's so stupid every company needs their their own digital distribution/social&friends/etc service, so the player ends up having 10 services where in all "you can see what your friends are doing bla bla" bullcrap, making each one of them mandatory to play something but useless for the most part of them since they are "scattered".
I wish companies would just accept steam as this service they try every now and then to bring that does exactly the same as steam but in a lot smaller scale. I dont want more user names and passwords, I already have so much them I dont even know where I have registered.
And make steam have more options, it's amazing how limited it is in many ways even though it's so popular. Why the forced stalking and so on? The gaming industry seems so young on this aspect, the digital distribution and social tools.
Personally glad they are not using Steam. I have had more problems with them and their support staff is for the most part basically useless. I bought Civ 5 for my niece at xmas and she still can't play it because of Steam issues even after 2 phone sesssions with their support staff.
The Sony hacking incident is specific to Sony. You'll notice that Valve haven't come forward and said that information has been stolen from them, but I can assure you that people have tried and failed on many occassions to gain access to Steam data.
Sony were storing sensitve data as plain text on servers using secuirty software years out of date. They've been doing this right across the board, not just with ther gaming service. That's why the data was taken and has been so easily accessed. It has nothing to do with the overall securty of the Internet.
You assert that "all of them can be hacked by pros" and yet not all of them have been hacked. It's a logical fallacy to use one example as the basis for a statement that tars everyone with the same brush.
In other words: you have no idea what you're talking about and are just disemination fear where there is no need for it
I would like to point out that you are in turn making your own logical fallacy in that you are asserting, as fact, that a lack of evidence = affirmative evidence. You are saying that because none of these other companies have disclosed that they have been hacked, it means that they haven't been. While that may very well be the case, you have no direct evidence of this. It's at best circumstantial. I can think of at least two circumstances off the top of my head under which this could occur:
1.) they where hacked and it was such a skillful job that the intruders left no traces and thus the co. doesn't know of it.
2.) they were hacked, it was discovered and the news was internally suppressed. There are myriad reasons why that would be done, ranging from negative PR to legal sanctions, lawsuits and paying for credit monitoring. Note, I'm not saying that would be smart of them, but I will never bet against human stupidity.
The Sony hacking incident is specific to Sony. You'll notice that Valve haven't come forward and said that information has been stolen from them, but I can assure you that people have tried and failed on many occassions to gain access to Steam data.
Sony were storing sensitve data as plain text on servers using secuirty software years out of date. They've been doing this right across the board, not just with ther gaming service. That's why the data was taken and has been so easily accessed. It has nothing to do with the overall securty of the Internet.
You assert that "all of them can be hacked by pros" and yet not all of them have been hacked. It's a logical fallacy to use one example as the basis for a statement that tars everyone with the same brush.
In other words: you have no idea what you're talking about and are just disemination fear where there is no need for it
I would like to point out that you are in turn making your own logical fallacy in that you are asserting, as fact, that a lack of evidence = affirmative evidence. You are saying that because none of these other companies have disclosed that they have been hacked, it means that they haven't been. While that may very well be the case, you have no direct evidence of this. It's at best circumstantial. I can think of at least two circumstances off the top of my head under which this could occur:
1.) they where hacked and it was such a skillful job that the intruders left no traces and thus the co. doesn't know of it.
2.) they were hacked, it was discovered and the news was internally suppressed. There are myriad reasons why that would be done, ranging from negative PR to legal sanctions, lawsuits and paying for credit monitoring. Note, I'm not saying that would be smart of them, but I will never bet against human stupidity.
Your argument boils down to "so, they could be hiding it!"?
The Sony hacking incident is specific to Sony. You'll notice that Valve haven't come forward and said that information has been stolen from them, but I can assure you that people have tried and failed on many occassions to gain access to Steam data.
Sony were storing sensitve data as plain text on servers using secuirty software years out of date. They've been doing this right across the board, not just with ther gaming service. That's why the data was taken and has been so easily accessed. It has nothing to do with the overall securty of the Internet.
You assert that "all of them can be hacked by pros" and yet not all of them have been hacked. It's a logical fallacy to use one example as the basis for a statement that tars everyone with the same brush.
In other words: you have no idea what you're talking about and are just disemination fear where there is no need for it
I would like to point out that you are in turn making your own logical fallacy in that you are asserting, as fact, that a lack of evidence = affirmative evidence. You are saying that because none of these other companies have disclosed that they have been hacked, it means that they haven't been. While that may very well be the case, you have no direct evidence of this. It's at best circumstantial. I can think of at least two circumstances off the top of my head under which this could occur:
1.) they where hacked and it was such a skillful job that the intruders left no traces and thus the co. doesn't know of it.
2.) they were hacked, it was discovered and the news was internally suppressed. There are myriad reasons why that would be done, ranging from negative PR to legal sanctions, lawsuits and paying for credit monitoring. Note, I'm not saying that would be smart of them, but I will never bet against human stupidity.
Your argument boils down to "so, they could be hiding it!"?
I would think by law they would have to report this as peoples credit card information and such has been stolen. I could be wrong though.
It's funny, that people actually use all these services like Steam.
The recent events of Sony being hacked should be a wake-up-call for everyone not to use services where personal data is being stored in large databases. And yes, all of them can be hacked by professionals.
I'm not even playing MMOs anymore that don't let me pay by GTC or banktransfer and I sure won't ever play a game that requires me to do an online-authentication, forcing me to setup an account on Steam or whatever.
No all of them CANT be hacked by professionals. Sony had an amasingly flawed system with outdated software running well known exploits and vulnerabilities. This wasnt an evil hacker like in the movie swordfish sneaking his way through an evil series of firewalls and intricate cyber locks, this was a case of an admin on sony's side not doing their job, the hacker doing penetration testing till he found the wide open door and then walking through it.
The hacking attempt that happened yesterday where sony lost 1,000,000 accounts again was about as basic as you get. These types of attacks are taught in the most basic of security classes and how to defend against them.
So your statement should read...."All sites that dont do their due diligence and update their software and protect your data are vulnerable to professionals"
Most companies spend millions on security and it gives people like me a job. Sony obviously had some major issues with their security policies which most other companies work extremely hard to make sure they dont.
dude if you think hackers cant break into a computer sever software you wrong hackers can break into anything its its on the internet its cyper space and it happend... even the best company can be hacked look what happend to rome they said rome cant be beating well rome lost. so yes hackers can break into anything there so many of them out there i seen it done let me say you dont want to get hacked they own the internet. all there stuff information is stored onto one sever it can crack just takes time and some people really good to leave no traces heck they have not even caught the hackers. so to say nothing can be hacked it can you just dont know how well to do it but i know some people who did hack into big things. All the is is one big play ground for them information if power and they have lots of it.
Your argument boils down to "so, they could be hiding it!"?
No "argument" is being supplied, I was pointing out the logical fallacy being committed in assuming that no news must mean good news. I think it unlikely they would hide it, my problem was with someone berating another for a logical fallacy while committing one of their own in the process.
It's funny, that people actually use all these services like Steam.
The recent events of Sony being hacked should be a wake-up-call for everyone not to use services where personal data is being stored in large databases. And yes, all of them can be hacked by professionals.
I'm not even playing MMOs anymore that don't let me pay by GTC or banktransfer and I sure won't ever play a game that requires me to do an online-authentication, forcing me to setup an account on Steam or whatever.
Its funny how naive you can be. Seriousely, do you think hackers only get your stuff trough stuff like steam, sony, etc? Wake up boy, all your information is already on the internet, with just your IP adress they can find out the same stuff as they can on PSN or steam. Infact with just your name they can find out more about you on the internet then you want them. Just not your credit card number, but when they use your credit card you are insured for that with your credit card holder. Mastercard, visa, etc. give you your money back when your card is used by someone else then you.
Goodluck with the future i guess it won't be much gaming for you anymore seeing more and more games demand you registeren somewhere and authenticate. This is also a anti piracy method. Either we like it or not we can only choose to either accept the authenticating or not buying it but off all the complainers perhaps 2% really doesn't buy the game and the rest will just accept it anyway even though they shout its outrages. Only if everyone boycots it it will work but people want to play the game anyway so they will eventually let the need for the game take over their moral objection towards it.
Your argument boils down to "so, they could be hiding it!"?
No "argument" is being supplied, I was pointing out the logical fallacy being committed in assuming that no news must mean good news. I think it unlikely they would hide it, my problem was with someone berating another for a logical fallacy while committing one of their own in the process.
If steam or infact any other company gets hacked that stores vital information they are legally bound to report this to the consumer. You mentioned they would not report it, but they will, they are forced too, thats why we have laws.
And a hacker who gets into steam without being noticed and using that as argument is silly. So because they haven't found any proof yet they got hacked and information got stolen we have to assume that happened? Man thats just paranoid, well i better start believing in Roswell aswell and also believe Elvis is alive and drinks a beer with Micheal Jackson. Sounds silly no?
You can't compete with Valve and Steam at this point. They're a consumer-first company and they give incredible deals that I KNOW a company like EA would refuse to do.
EA just needs to focus on making Battlefield 3 and Mass Effect 3 big hits.
Mmmmmm... Battlefield 3.....
Playing: *sigh* back to WoW -------- Waiting for: SW:TOR, APB, WoD --------- Played and loved: Eve and WoW -------- Played and hated: WoW:WotLK, Warhammer, every single F2P
Why would they NOT use Steam? As someone already mentioned, they have what? 50 million subscribers with 3 million (on average) using their service daily? What company, personal feelings about Steam set aside, would NOT take advantage of a proven, established distribution service to get their game to MILLIONS of potential users? Sure, there are a few that don't use Steam, but why NOT use Steam? Why spend millions of dollars to pay programmers to code, troubleshoot, and maintain a service that MAY fail miserably? This makes no sense whatsoever. Steam is there and READY to distribute this game to a set clientele. Steam, for the most part, works great. If it didn't, then this many people would not use it.
Then again, maybe it will work for them. Maybe it will be a very successful project. I just believe that they are making a mistake, potentially alienating some customers that refuse to use muliple download programs, especially to play one game. However, maybe they're counting on this game being SO good that people will download anything they need to play it. *shrugs* I guess we'll see.
Im not a fan of steam.. have always had one issue or another with them. Don't like boot services that I haft to disable every time I use it. Glad to see them going out of the box on this one, they have a very good selection of games and you know others will follow the leader in this.
It's funny, that people actually use all these services like Steam.
The recent events of Sony being hacked should be a wake-up-call for everyone not to use services where personal data is being stored in large databases. And yes, all of them can be hacked by professionals.
I'm not even playing MMOs anymore that don't let me pay by GTC or banktransfer and I sure won't ever play a game that requires me to do an online-authentication, forcing me to setup an account on Steam or whatever.
I hope you don't have a bank account or a credit card, since that information will be on some system that's connected to the Internet. I wonder why the professionals haven't emptied all your accounts yet.
It's funny, that people actually use all these services like Steam.
The recent events of Sony being hacked should be a wake-up-call for everyone not to use services where personal data is being stored in large databases. And yes, all of them can be hacked by professionals.
I'm not even playing MMOs anymore that don't let me pay by GTC or banktransfer and I sure won't ever play a game that requires me to do an online-authentication, forcing me to setup an account on Steam or whatever.
Oh my god, you sound like my 'gramps' "No way am I putting money in the bank! Bunch of thieves and robbers!". Jesus, grow a pair and welcome to the 21st century. Shit happened and it will happen again but that's evolution. Believe me, if you actually get money stolen from you, you'll get it back.
Sorry for being blunt but this ENRAGES me. It's like saying, Oh, I'm not buying a car...It's a money sink and too dangerous. I'll stick with my horse! Some poeople just don't deserve the internet.
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last MMO i bought from D2D was APB.. not that it went well... but D2D managed to totally screw up the game keys, which meant that the game i bought... didnt have any gametime on it.. not sure how they managed that! but. lesson learned.. the next time i use D2D will be never
Is it just me or is there an issue with the Origins link? All I get is a maintenance page for it. Personally since I live in the boondocks the only way I can get a game is digitally unless I want to drive for 4 hours one way. Digital just makes sense for me.
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They stopped doing that a long time ago. I can still download games I bought years ago and I never paid an additional fee for that. I've bought many games from them over the years and I can download them whenever I want.
I'm definitely not going rto switch from Steam for this.
Yeah, I used to think the way you do. Until I saw that you can buy lots of games for relatively cheap with Steam.
I chose cheap games over having a physical copy, and I don't regret my decision one bit. Steam has been a renaissance of PC gaming for me, and as long as they keep offering games for a really good price I'll keep buying them.
I dont need another service like this... It's so stupid every company needs their their own digital distribution/social&friends/etc service, so the player ends up having 10 services where in all "you can see what your friends are doing bla bla" bullcrap, making each one of them mandatory to play something but useless for the most part of them since they are "scattered".
I wish companies would just accept steam as this service they try every now and then to bring that does exactly the same as steam but in a lot smaller scale. I dont want more user names and passwords, I already have so much them I dont even know where I have registered.
And make steam have more options, it's amazing how limited it is in many ways even though it's so popular. Why the forced stalking and so on? The gaming industry seems so young on this aspect, the digital distribution and social tools.
Personally glad they are not using Steam. I have had more problems with them and their support staff is for the most part basically useless. I bought Civ 5 for my niece at xmas and she still can't play it because of Steam issues even after 2 phone sesssions with their support staff.
Hope Origins is better.
I would like to point out that you are in turn making your own logical fallacy in that you are asserting, as fact, that a lack of evidence = affirmative evidence. You are saying that because none of these other companies have disclosed that they have been hacked, it means that they haven't been. While that may very well be the case, you have no direct evidence of this. It's at best circumstantial. I can think of at least two circumstances off the top of my head under which this could occur:
1.) they where hacked and it was such a skillful job that the intruders left no traces and thus the co. doesn't know of it.
2.) they were hacked, it was discovered and the news was internally suppressed. There are myriad reasons why that would be done, ranging from negative PR to legal sanctions, lawsuits and paying for credit monitoring. Note, I'm not saying that would be smart of them, but I will never bet against human stupidity.
Yeah, that's just what we needed. Another bloated EA Download Manager.
Your argument boils down to "so, they could be hiding it!"?
I would think by law they would have to report this as peoples credit card information and such has been stolen. I could be wrong though.
dude if you think hackers cant break into a computer sever software you wrong hackers can break into anything its its on the internet its cyper space and it happend... even the best company can be hacked look what happend to rome they said rome cant be beating well rome lost. so yes hackers can break into anything there so many of them out there i seen it done let me say you dont want to get hacked they own the internet. all there stuff information is stored onto one sever it can crack just takes time and some people really good to leave no traces heck they have not even caught the hackers. so to say nothing can be hacked it can you just dont know how well to do it but i know some people who did hack into big things. All the is is one big play ground for them information if power and they have lots of it.
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No "argument" is being supplied, I was pointing out the logical fallacy being committed in assuming that no news must mean good news. I think it unlikely they would hide it, my problem was with someone berating another for a logical fallacy while committing one of their own in the process.
Its funny how naive you can be. Seriousely, do you think hackers only get your stuff trough stuff like steam, sony, etc? Wake up boy, all your information is already on the internet, with just your IP adress they can find out the same stuff as they can on PSN or steam. Infact with just your name they can find out more about you on the internet then you want them. Just not your credit card number, but when they use your credit card you are insured for that with your credit card holder. Mastercard, visa, etc. give you your money back when your card is used by someone else then you.
Goodluck with the future i guess it won't be much gaming for you anymore seeing more and more games demand you registeren somewhere and authenticate. This is also a anti piracy method. Either we like it or not we can only choose to either accept the authenticating or not buying it but off all the complainers perhaps 2% really doesn't buy the game and the rest will just accept it anyway even though they shout its outrages. Only if everyone boycots it it will work but people want to play the game anyway so they will eventually let the need for the game take over their moral objection towards it.
If steam or infact any other company gets hacked that stores vital information they are legally bound to report this to the consumer. You mentioned they would not report it, but they will, they are forced too, thats why we have laws.
And a hacker who gets into steam without being noticed and using that as argument is silly. So because they haven't found any proof yet they got hacked and information got stolen we have to assume that happened? Man thats just paranoid, well i better start believing in Roswell aswell and also believe Elvis is alive and drinks a beer with Micheal Jackson. Sounds silly no?
Was there a release date? Hahahahaahaaaaaa. Sorry, I must be the only one who finds that funny.
You can't compete with Valve and Steam at this point. They're a consumer-first company and they give incredible deals that I KNOW a company like EA would refuse to do.
EA just needs to focus on making Battlefield 3 and Mass Effect 3 big hits.
Mmmmmm... Battlefield 3.....
Playing: *sigh* back to WoW
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Played and loved: Eve and WoW
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Played and hated: WoW:WotLK, Warhammer, every single F2P
I'll start using this new service as I defintely want to get SWTOR and BF3 at least.
Why would they NOT use Steam? As someone already mentioned, they have what? 50 million subscribers with 3 million (on average) using their service daily? What company, personal feelings about Steam set aside, would NOT take advantage of a proven, established distribution service to get their game to MILLIONS of potential users? Sure, there are a few that don't use Steam, but why NOT use Steam? Why spend millions of dollars to pay programmers to code, troubleshoot, and maintain a service that MAY fail miserably? This makes no sense whatsoever. Steam is there and READY to distribute this game to a set clientele. Steam, for the most part, works great. If it didn't, then this many people would not use it.
Then again, maybe it will work for them. Maybe it will be a very successful project. I just believe that they are making a mistake, potentially alienating some customers that refuse to use muliple download programs, especially to play one game. However, maybe they're counting on this game being SO good that people will download anything they need to play it. *shrugs* I guess we'll see.
"I am handicapped...I'm psychotic."
Im not a fan of steam.. have always had one issue or another with them. Don't like boot services that I haft to disable every time I use it. Glad to see them going out of the box on this one, they have a very good selection of games and you know others will follow the leader in this.
d2d will sell it too i think.. hopefully.
I hope you don't have a bank account or a credit card, since that information will be on some system that's connected to the Internet. I wonder why the professionals haven't emptied all your accounts yet.
Oh my god, you sound like my 'gramps' "No way am I putting money in the bank! Bunch of thieves and robbers!". Jesus, grow a pair and welcome to the 21st century. Shit happened and it will happen again but that's evolution. Believe me, if you actually get money stolen from you, you'll get it back.
Sorry for being blunt but this ENRAGES me. It's like saying, Oh, I'm not buying a car...It's a money sink and too dangerous. I'll stick with my horse! Some poeople just don't deserve the internet.
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"If RL was an MMO, I'd probably be getting laid more often..."
hey thats great, but when is it going to be released?
last MMO i bought from D2D was APB.. not that it went well... but D2D managed to totally screw up the game keys, which meant that the game i bought... didnt have any gametime on it.. not sure how they managed that! but. lesson learned.. the next time i use D2D will be never
Who cares? You can still buy a retail copy if you don't wanna use Origins.
Is it just me or is there an issue with the Origins link? All I get is a maintenance page for it. Personally since I live in the boondocks the only way I can get a game is digitally unless I want to drive for 4 hours one way. Digital just makes sense for me.