Whoever you are your head is like a rock. The trailers are fantastic. They encompass more of the SW feeling than any of the movies LA ever done. Still doesn't change the fact that they were done for BIoware and they won an award on it. Should BLUR have gotten that award, probably so. I really could care less and arguing on something we both agree on is just down right self productive.
Well my original response to your post hasn't changed. If any MMO received 20% or more of its trade show 'awards' due to a trailer the developer didn't even make...I would point that out.
I guess now, TOR will get bashed because it got some awards at one of the many trade shows that they will appear at. Who cares if they got it because of a new trailer or whatever. Would this discussion even be going on if another certain game was at E3 and TOR was not.
These forums are really like a playground for under acheiving kids who go back and forth on my dad is bigger than your dad and crap like that.
Be happy if you have a particular game coming out, one that you are stoked to play, that has a forum in which you can discuss different things about it. There's a difference of posting a positive negative, than when someone posts a trolling negative. The first being , anyone who is truly excited about a particular game. They will dicuss the different systems that game entails and also dicuss what they like about the game and what they think should be looked at in greater details, to either be broadened or left out all togeither. The other, is someone who comes into a thread and no matter how long that post becomes, basically can be interpeted as this game sucks post.
It didn't take very long after the this game was added to this site, to figure out who is a trolling negative poster. The same names appear day in and day out in every TOR thread that gets started.
Pretty much. It's the same names and the only time it isn't is when someone starts a new account and their first post is in here to talk trash about the game. I always find that part amusing
I could really give a shite about how many awards that TOR won at E3, but to see the usual naysayers heads explode over it is most gratifying.
Not hard to win when it is a one man race. You actually think people were going to vote anything for Tera ? Not hating, just looking at it from a realistic point of view here. It sure will be interesting to see how launch goes.
Guild wars 2 was there too so are few other lesser known MMO.
Not hard to win when it is a one man race. You actually think people were going to vote anything for Tera ? Not hating, just looking at it from a realistic point of view here. It sure will be interesting to see how launch goes.
Guild wars 2 was there too so are few other lesser known MMO.
Actually GW2 wasn't there. but there were 3 other MMOs there.
Help me Bioware, you're my only hope.
Is ToR going to be good? Dude it's Bioware making a freaking star wars game, all signs point to awesome. -G4tv MMo report.
I guess now, TOR will get bashed because it got some awards at one of the many trade shows that they will appear at. Who cares if they got it because of a new trailer or whatever. Would this discussion even be going on if another certain game was at E3 and TOR was not.
These forums are really like a playground for under acheiving kids who go back and forth on my dad is bigger than your dad and crap like that.
Be happy if you have a particular game coming out, one that you are stoked to play, that has a forum in which you can discuss different things about it. There's a difference of posting a positive negative, than when someone posts a trolling negative. The first being , anyone who is truly excited about a particular game. They will dicuss the different systems that game entails and also dicuss what they like about the game and what they think should be looked at in greater details, to either be broadened or left out all togeither. The other, is someone who comes into a thread and no matter how long that post becomes, basically can be interpeted as this game sucks post.
It didn't take very long after the this game was added to this site, to figure out who is a trolling negative poster. The same names appear day in and day out in every TOR thread that gets started.
Pretty much. It's the same names and the only time it isn't is when someone starts a new account and their first post is in here to talk trash about the game. I always find that part amusing
I could really give a shite about how many awards that TOR won at E3, but to see the usual naysayers heads explode over it is most gratifying.
lol. That was part of my reason for posting it in addition to just wanting to share positive info among the jungle of negativity here. I just so like watching certain forum posters squirm as more awards, positive impressions at previous events this year (such as the hands on and Pax West) continue to change the minds of so many that were negative last year. It's fun to watch the negative posts grasp at straws as threads like these continue to show that the probability of their gloom and doom threads are factless, pointless and most likely will be proven wrong since most of the potential buying base really don't care what we post here. :-)
Oh I agree. I'm sure Bioware sent a few sentences giving a summary of what the trailer had to encompass. But the actual trailer is fantastic because of the CGI. I could care less about what was actually going on. I was in awe because of the visuals, sound, etc. I think you're really grasping at straws trying to give Bioware credit for the trailers.
So you're saying that if movie trailers are awarded, the award should go to the editing team? And no credit should go to the company supplying the art, sounds samples, storyboard and character designs? Not to mention that several key elements in the trailer are included in the main game which are supplied, screened and approved by Bioware before we even see them. Next time try watching a "making of" featurette for trailers. You'll find that most companies don't just drop their baby off and check back in 18 years when all the hard work is done. And if you didn't know, Bioware knows a thing or two about cinematics.
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I feel that awards play a more vital role than some of you believe. A lot of people attend E3. And that includes several retail employees. When you have online sites paying attention to a certain mmo, then that most of the time translates into positive marketing that you don't have to pay for. Start positive marketing soon enough and you may see your game go from potential buy to must buy for a lot of people. Console gaming has benefited from this viral marketing for ages. As well as some past mmos. Aion, Age of Conan, LoTRO and Warhammer come to mind.
But when game store employees are not particularly hyped about certain games, then most won't have that additional buzz driving retail sales.
"Small minds talk about people, average minds talk about events, great minds talk about ideas."
Not hard to win when it is a one man race. You actually think people were going to vote anything for Tera ? Not hating, just looking at it from a realistic point of view here. It sure will be interesting to see how launch goes.
Guild wars 2 was there too so are few other lesser known MMO.
Actually GW2 wasn't there. but there were 3 other MMOs there.
Three other mmos but who really is going to vote them over TOR ? Come on now lets be honest here. We'll see how well TOR does 6+ months after launch.
Not hard to win when it is a one man race. You actually think people were going to vote anything for Tera ? Not hating, just looking at it from a realistic point of view here. It sure will be interesting to see how launch goes.
Guild wars 2 was there too so are few other lesser known MMO.
Actually GW2 wasn't there. but there were 3 other MMOs there.
Three other mmos but who really is going to vote them over TOR ? Come on now lets be honest here. We'll see how well TOR does 6+ months after launch.
Yes we will :-). Hopefully I'll be seeing you in the PVP so I can tell you what I really think. :-) lol
Well I read the links posted there, and I really don't care what people want to rank a game, or award it for anything.
1. I play games for fun, and based on actual development, from the leaked videos I have seen of SWTOR Character Customization, it is very awful, although it isn't the final I don't know if it will be any better.
2. From what I have seen in all the videos on YouTube SWTOR is not a action based game, but it is more of a select Target, or Aim at target press key theme, not an action game where you actually have Skill, but also based off equipment possibly which makes the game boring.
3. While StarWars Geeks, or Nerds may like this game, I am not a big fan of Star Wars anymore because Lucas Arts, and the developers really killed out the Star Wars action of what it once was back when I played in games like JK Academy, and DF2 this is what the MMO should have been in the lines of but instead they made a strategy based game, and I really do not think that it will be the over all popular.
4. I watched a video where they showed off a guy flying a ship shooting fighters, and a mothership I think it was E3, really boring so it looked, the Character Customization, and selection in game will likely suck on release for me to even want to play.
5. I am more than willing to download a Free Trial of this game, or try the game from a friend or something, but until I actually see the game is fun I am really disappointed in what I have seen from the developers of this game, and I really do think that it could have been much more like an action game such as Global Agenda where you have to aim your Shots press to use skills, and such, but looks boring I am still going to more than likely skip over this game all together also being the fact that it is not developed using 2011 technology from what I hear but was in development since 2008, and buy a game that is better developed and give it a chance.
While I respect the Opinions, and rewards these guys may have got, I really myself do not feel that impressed with what the developers have shown me, and I really do think that these guys who give awards should take the time to actually play the game themselves before making a judgement of if the game is worthit because like I have seen many videos of games that make it look Great, but the actual play sucked.
Well I read the links posted there, and I really don't care what people want to rank a game, or award it for anything.
1. I play games for fun, and based on actual development, from the leaked videos I have seen of SWTOR Character Customization, it is very awful, although it isn't the final I don't know if it will be any better.
2. From what I have seen in all the videos on YouTube SWTOR is not a action based game, but it is more of a select Target, or Aim at target press key theme, not an action game where you actually have Skill, but also based off equipment possibly which makes the game boring.
3. While StarWars Geeks, or Nerds may like this game, I am not a big fan of Star Wars anymore because Lucas Arts, and the developers really killed out the Star Wars action of what it once was back when I played in games like JK Academy, and DF2 this is what the MMO should have been in the lines of but instead they made a strategy based game, and I really do not think that it will be the over all popular.
4. I watched a video where they showed off a guy flying a ship shooting fighters, and a mothership I think it was E3, really boring so it looked, the Character Customization, and selection in game will likely suck on release for me to even want to play.
5. I am more than willing to download a Free Trial of this game, or try the game from a friend or something, but until I actually see the game is fun I am really disappointed in what I have seen from the developers of this game, and I really do think that it could have been much more like an action game such as Global Agenda where you have to aim your Shots press to use skills, and such, but looks boring I am still going to more than likely skip over this game all together also being the fact that it is not developed using 2011 technology from what I hear but was in development since 2008, and buy a game that is better developed and give it a chance.
While I respect the Opinions, and rewards these guys may have got, I really myself do not feel that impressed with what the developers have shown me, and I really do think that these guys who give awards should take the time to actually play the game themselves before making a judgement of if the game is worthit because like I have seen many videos of games that make it look Great, but the actual play sucked.
its the other away around. Those who do play it tend to like it. Those who haven't played and post negative repetitive posts tend to have not played it.
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I don't know what's more ridiculous, awards given out for how well a developer can hype their upcoming game at an expo, or that people use the awards as 'proof' of the quality of an upcoming game.
Wasn't the SW:TOR fans saying that "awards means nothing" when GW2 stolen some of theirs?
A bit ironic no?
The point is that no group is homogenous, you'll have some fans who said that 'awards mean nothing' and other fans who don't share that opinion.
Me, for example, I don't care for awards that are given for a convention by some site for games that haven't been launched yet, I often don't even care for awards that are given for 'best of the year' by this or that site.
I mean, it isn't like the Oscar awards (which I find also a joke) or Hugo awards or Olympic awards or such.
Although I do agree with the reason of the OP for posting it.
Originally posted by Razanka
Pointless E3 awards mean nothing. Number of subs after the first 30 days means a whole lot more.
I kind of agree, let's see how all these games are doing when they have been released.
Originally posted by Bygh
Haters vs fanboys vs neutrals vs trolls, the battlefield of Internetz. Four faction PVP action, who needs a MMORPG. Ultimate sandbox experience, start with absolutely nothing and achieve absolutely nothing.
Hehe, yep, forum debating especially in the SWTOR forumsection of this site is kinda like 'Tarren Mill' style forum PvP
You can even choose your race and class archetypes (white knight, hate crusader, basher, troll, diplomat, etc) and skill trees (reason and logic, flaming, ridiculisation, sensationalism and hyperboles, hard facts), so it kinda has some MMO mechanics as well.
Anyway, what boggles me most is how polarized debates often are, it seems that a lot of people have an unwillingness or lack of capability to see and understand viewpoints that aren't theirs: fans often adhere to only the positive arguments and criticize or deny the negative arguments, while haters/critics often tunnelvision focus only on the negative arguments that say bad things about a game while adamantly refusing to acknowledge or see the positive arguments. Polarisation ftw. Funny, in a way, and sad in another.
The ease with which predictions are made on these forums: Fratman: "I'm saying Spring 2012 at the earliest [for TOR release]. Anyone still clinging to 2011 is deluding themself at this point."
While I generally agree that pre-release awards don't mean much, it does at least indicate that the game is getting a lot of positive attention and Bioware and EA are building up a good amount of anticipation.
What I don't understand is how some people have already built up such a rabid dislike for the game that they have to keep bashing it at every chance they get. I mean, it isn't even OUT yet, people! I have noticed that many of them suggest that SWToR is going to be crap and so you should wait for Guild Wars 2. It may be that everyone on these forums realizes that SWToR is going to be huge and so a few from the GW2 crowd feel threatened and the uncontrollable need to try to spew hate at what will be it's biggest competition for the next big thing. It could also be that some people are just very negative by nature and can't stop being haters.
I personally would be happy if both SWToR and Guild Wars 2 are both huge successes. I am a gamer and the more fantstic and successful games they churn out the better.
If you don't like the themepark style games no one is going to force you to play them, so settle down and ease up on the hate. Bioware has said from the beginning that this is what they are making and they are going to follow most of the tried and true conventions. If you want a sandbox you are going to need to keep looking.
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I gave no real attention to SWTOR until E3. And i have to say it looks great. I love the idea of having minions and while flying in space look slike a mini game it still looks fun as hell. Waiting to see if they are going to try and suck me dry of all my money before i decide if i want to play.
Playing: PO, EVE Waiting for: WoD Favourite MMOs: VG, EVE, FE and DDO Any person who expresses rage and loathing for an MMO is preposterous. He or she is like a person who has put on full armor and attacked a hot fudge sundae.
Many people act as if 100% of the gaming community will go to a game based on any thing another will say. If a game looks good then its ok to invest your own personal money. SWTOR is a game that ill buy no matter of other opinions. If im the only person playing thats fine by me.
Whoever you are your head is like a rock. The trailers are fantastic. They encompass more of the SW feeling than any of the movies LA ever done. Still doesn't change the fact that they were done for BIoware and they won an award on it. Should BLUR have gotten that award, probably so. I really could care less and arguing on something we both agree on is just down right self productive.
Well my original response to your post hasn't changed. If any MMO received 20% or more of its trade show 'awards' due to a trailer the developer didn't even make...I would point that out.
However, if I designed and visualized the best mmorpg ever created and hired "a third party company" to create it, it would still be my best ever created mmorpg that would not exist without me. Not that I care about awards or awards for trailers, but it sure was epic and fun to watch, and it was there because of Bioware and TOR.
How many things at E3 this year wree announced in 2008?
Most of the stuff that was announced at E3 was announced for the first time.
A lot of people were there knowing what was going to avalaible. Individuals didn't show up knowing what new game would be coming out on the XBOX 360...
You earned the same award. BTW.... for those of you who didn't know. The highest budget for any one of those games I just listed is around 100 million. SWTOR is well over 200 million at this point.
"Success" I see it more as a "Failure", since SWTOR didn't win best in show as the highest budget game there.
What other MMOs were there? LMAO. Seriously? Do you people have any critical thinking ability.
GW2 didn't go, and yet, SWTOR was still nearly beatout by a NEW concept MMO (Trion's Defiance) which has a budget of 1/5 that of SWTOR.
SWTOR won those titles by default. The contenders didn't show. Reason being their games speak for themselves. Bioware is hiding their game behind cinematics.
I'm wondering if TOR did not win any awards that the same people saying these awards mean nothing would be the same pople laughing that TOR did not win anything?
How many things at E3 this year wree announced in 2008?
Most of the stuff that was announced at E3 was announced for the first time.
A lot of people were there knowing what was going to avalaible. Individuals didn't show up knowing what new game would be coming out on the XBOX 360...
You earned the same award. BTW.... for those of you who didn't know. The highest budget for any one of those games I just listed is around 100 million. SWTOR is well over 200 million at this point.
"Success" I see it more as a "Failure", since SWTOR didn't win best in show as the highest budget game there.
What other MMOs were there? LMAO. Seriously? Do you people have any critical thinking ability.
GW2 didn't go, and yet, SWTOR was still nearly beatout by a NEW concept MMO (Trion's Defiance) which has a budget of 1/5 that of SWTOR.
SWTOR won those titles by default. The contenders didn't show. Reason being their games speak for themselves. Bioware is hiding their game behind cinematics.
They got the 8 year old sportsmanship trophy. They got the trophy that was given out by every company that got an interview.
Waaay too much effort for someone who doesnt care.
This is the funny thing about ppl in general who are suppose to not care about SWtor at all. "I'm not a hater honest, I just dont care for it, it doesnt do it for me". Yet here they are spending more time in SWtor forum than ANY fanboi I've seen constantly pushing SWtor and bioware down. I get it, hype is just that, hype. SWtor can never live up to it thats for sure. But this is just silly.
What I don't understand is how some people have already built up such a rabid dislike for the game that they have to keep bashing it at every chance they get.
This just goes to show people know what to expect from TOR for the most part. Which has some people raging already, mainly those sick of the WOW model or those who do not like themeparks in general.
I guess you could say the suspension of disbelief is no longer suspended, which is not the case with GW2 or TSW. These two games still have the luxury of giving way to the imagination of what they will be, rather than the reality of it.
Regardless of this people who are raging will still pick up the game for whatever reason. We'll still get to hear how much they hate themeparks or WOW-like games come launch. I'm sure they'll all be saying it's the fanboi's fault, they were lead to believe the game was something more. Bioware lied etc.. etc...
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What I don't understand is how some people have already built up such a rabid dislike for the game that they have to keep bashing it at every chance they get.
This just goes to show people know what to expect from TOR for the most part. Which has some people raging already, mainly those sick of the WOW model or those who do not like themeparks in general.
I guess you could say the suspension of disbelief is no longer suspended, which is not the case with GW2 or TSW. These two games still have the luxury of giving way to the imagination of what they will be, rather than the reality of it.
Regardless of this people who are raging will still pick up the game for whatever reason. We'll still get to hear how much they hate themeparks or WOW-like games come launch. I'm sure they'll all be saying it's the fanboi's fault, they were lead to believe the game was something more. Bioware lied etc.. etc...
Idd this.
Having already made my mind up months ago I still bought the game to still be eligible for SWtor bashing even after release. Here's my objective review....
What I don't understand is how some people have already built up such a rabid dislike for the game that they have to keep bashing it at every chance they get.
This just goes to show people know what to expect from TOR for the most part. Which has some people raging already, mainly those sick of the WOW model or those who do not like themeparks in general.
I guess you could say the suspension of disbelief is no longer suspended, which is not the case with GW2 or TSW. These two games still have the luxury of giving way to the imagination of what they will be, rather than the reality of it.
Regardless of this people who are raging will still pick up the game for whatever reason. We'll still get to hear how much they hate themeparks or WOW-like games come launch. I'm sure they'll all be saying it's the fanboi's fault, they were lead to believe the game was something more. Bioware lied etc.. etc...
Idd this.
Having already made my mind up months ago I still bought the game to still be eligible for SWtor bashing even after release. Here's my objective review....
Without a doubt we'll see those.
Malickie is right and the really bad thing these people do not see how pathetic they are. Fact is we have absolutely no idea how good or bad this game will be until after it goes live and we can play it. When people blindly attack something like this it just makes them look immature. At least with the fanboys though, you don't feel such the need to take a shower after reading the garbage the haters are spewing out. Keep in mind that goes for most any game though and in some cases it is worse for games that have already been released. Personally, I highly doubt I'll be reading any forums for a long while after SWTOR releases, but then again, I am a fan of BioWare's stories.
"If half of what you tell me is a lie, how can I believe any of it?"
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Well my original response to your post hasn't changed. If any MMO received 20% or more of its trade show 'awards' due to a trailer the developer didn't even make...I would point that out.
Pretty much. It's the same names and the only time it isn't is when someone starts a new account and their first post is in here to talk trash about the game. I always find that part amusing
I could really give a shite about how many awards that TOR won at E3, but to see the usual naysayers heads explode over it is most gratifying.
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Guild wars 2 was there too so are few other lesser known MMO.
Currently Playing: SSFIV AE, SFxTekken, SWTOR, WoW. Waiting for: GW2, Resident Evil 6.
Actually GW2 wasn't there. but there were 3 other MMOs there.
Help me Bioware, you're my only hope.
Is ToR going to be good? Dude it's Bioware making a freaking star wars game, all signs point to awesome. -G4tv MMo report.
lol. That was part of my reason for posting it in addition to just wanting to share positive info among the jungle of negativity here. I just so like watching certain forum posters squirm as more awards, positive impressions at previous events this year (such as the hands on and Pax West) continue to change the minds of so many that were negative last year. It's fun to watch the negative posts grasp at straws as threads like these continue to show that the probability of their gloom and doom threads are factless, pointless and most likely will be proven wrong since most of the potential buying base really don't care what we post here. :-)
There Is Always Hope!
So you're saying that if movie trailers are awarded, the award should go to the editing team? And no credit should go to the company supplying the art, sounds samples, storyboard and character designs? Not to mention that several key elements in the trailer are included in the main game which are supplied, screened and approved by Bioware before we even see them. Next time try watching a "making of" featurette for trailers. You'll find that most companies don't just drop their baby off and check back in 18 years when all the hard work is done. And if you didn't know, Bioware knows a thing or two about cinematics.
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I feel that awards play a more vital role than some of you believe. A lot of people attend E3. And that includes several retail employees. When you have online sites paying attention to a certain mmo, then that most of the time translates into positive marketing that you don't have to pay for. Start positive marketing soon enough and you may see your game go from potential buy to must buy for a lot of people. Console gaming has benefited from this viral marketing for ages. As well as some past mmos. Aion, Age of Conan, LoTRO and Warhammer come to mind.
But when game store employees are not particularly hyped about certain games, then most won't have that additional buzz driving retail sales.
"Small minds talk about people, average minds talk about events, great minds talk about ideas."
Three other mmos but who really is going to vote them over TOR ? Come on now lets be honest here. We'll see how well TOR does 6+ months after launch.
Yes we will :-). Hopefully I'll be seeing you in the PVP so I can tell you what I really think. :-) lol
There Is Always Hope!
Well I read the links posted there, and I really don't care what people want to rank a game, or award it for anything.
1. I play games for fun, and based on actual development, from the leaked videos I have seen of SWTOR Character Customization, it is very awful, although it isn't the final I don't know if it will be any better.
2. From what I have seen in all the videos on YouTube SWTOR is not a action based game, but it is more of a select Target, or Aim at target press key theme, not an action game where you actually have Skill, but also based off equipment possibly which makes the game boring.
3. While StarWars Geeks, or Nerds may like this game, I am not a big fan of Star Wars anymore because Lucas Arts, and the developers really killed out the Star Wars action of what it once was back when I played in games like JK Academy, and DF2 this is what the MMO should have been in the lines of but instead they made a strategy based game, and I really do not think that it will be the over all popular.
4. I watched a video where they showed off a guy flying a ship shooting fighters, and a mothership I think it was E3, really boring so it looked, the Character Customization, and selection in game will likely suck on release for me to even want to play.
5. I am more than willing to download a Free Trial of this game, or try the game from a friend or something, but until I actually see the game is fun I am really disappointed in what I have seen from the developers of this game, and I really do think that it could have been much more like an action game such as Global Agenda where you have to aim your Shots press to use skills, and such, but looks boring I am still going to more than likely skip over this game all together also being the fact that it is not developed using 2011 technology from what I hear but was in development since 2008, and buy a game that is better developed and give it a chance.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Wars:_The_Old_Republic Was in development since 2008, or before?
While I respect the Opinions, and rewards these guys may have got, I really myself do not feel that impressed with what the developers have shown me, and I really do think that these guys who give awards should take the time to actually play the game themselves before making a judgement of if the game is worthit because like I have seen many videos of games that make it look Great, but the actual play sucked.
its the other away around. Those who do play it tend to like it. Those who haven't played and post negative repetitive posts tend to have not played it.
There Is Always Hope!
Pointless E3 awards mean nothing. Number of subs after the first 30 days means a whole lot more.
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I don't know what's more ridiculous, awards given out for how well a developer can hype their upcoming game at an expo, or that people use the awards as 'proof' of the quality of an upcoming game.
The point is that no group is homogenous, you'll have some fans who said that 'awards mean nothing' and other fans who don't share that opinion.
Me, for example, I don't care for awards that are given for a convention by some site for games that haven't been launched yet, I often don't even care for awards that are given for 'best of the year' by this or that site.
I mean, it isn't like the Oscar awards (which I find also a joke) or Hugo awards or Olympic awards or such.
Although I do agree with the reason of the OP for posting it.
I kind of agree, let's see how all these games are doing when they have been released.
Hehe, yep, forum debating especially in the SWTOR forumsection of this site is kinda like 'Tarren Mill' style forum PvP
You can even choose your race and class archetypes (white knight, hate crusader, basher, troll, diplomat, etc) and skill trees (reason and logic, flaming, ridiculisation, sensationalism and hyperboles, hard facts), so it kinda has some MMO mechanics as well.
Anyway, what boggles me most is how polarized debates often are, it seems that a lot of people have an unwillingness or lack of capability to see and understand viewpoints that aren't theirs: fans often adhere to only the positive arguments and criticize or deny the negative arguments, while haters/critics often tunnelvision focus only on the negative arguments that say bad things about a game while adamantly refusing to acknowledge or see the positive arguments. Polarisation ftw. Funny, in a way, and sad in another.
The ACTUAL size of MMORPG worlds: a comparison list between MMO's
The ease with which predictions are made on these forums:
Fratman: "I'm saying Spring 2012 at the earliest [for TOR release]. Anyone still clinging to 2011 is deluding themself at this point."
While I generally agree that pre-release awards don't mean much, it does at least indicate that the game is getting a lot of positive attention and Bioware and EA are building up a good amount of anticipation.
What I don't understand is how some people have already built up such a rabid dislike for the game that they have to keep bashing it at every chance they get. I mean, it isn't even OUT yet, people! I have noticed that many of them suggest that SWToR is going to be crap and so you should wait for Guild Wars 2. It may be that everyone on these forums realizes that SWToR is going to be huge and so a few from the GW2 crowd feel threatened and the uncontrollable need to try to spew hate at what will be it's biggest competition for the next big thing. It could also be that some people are just very negative by nature and can't stop being haters.
I personally would be happy if both SWToR and Guild Wars 2 are both huge successes. I am a gamer and the more fantstic and successful games they churn out the better.
If you don't like the themepark style games no one is going to force you to play them, so settle down and ease up on the hate. Bioware has said from the beginning that this is what they are making and they are going to follow most of the tried and true conventions. If you want a sandbox you are going to need to keep looking.
Currently playing:
Rift
Played:
SWToR, Aion,EQ, Dark Age of Camelot
World of Warcraft, AoC
I gave no real attention to SWTOR until E3. And i have to say it looks great. I love the idea of having minions and while flying in space look slike a mini game it still looks fun as hell. Waiting to see if they are going to try and suck me dry of all my money before i decide if i want to play.
Playing: PO, EVE
Waiting for: WoD
Favourite MMOs: VG, EVE, FE and DDO
Any person who expresses rage and loathing for an MMO is preposterous. He or she is like a person who has put on full armor and attacked a hot fudge sundae.
Many people act as if 100% of the gaming community will go to a game based on any thing another will say. If a game looks good then its ok to invest your own personal money. SWTOR is a game that ill buy no matter of other opinions. If im the only person playing thats fine by me.
lol someone really just threw out nazis as an arguement. Sweet.
As to the awards, meh. If the game was out and getting awards, great. But I'm not all that worried about awards before hand.
However, if I designed and visualized the best mmorpg ever created and hired "a third party company" to create it, it would still be my best ever created mmorpg that would not exist without me. Not that I care about awards or awards for trailers, but it sure was epic and fun to watch, and it was there because of Bioware and TOR.
I have 10 bucks you will be playing it day one lol
I'm wondering if TOR did not win any awards that the same people saying these awards mean nothing would be the same pople laughing that TOR did not win anything?
Waaay too much effort for someone who doesnt care.
This is the funny thing about ppl in general who are suppose to not care about SWtor at all. "I'm not a hater honest, I just dont care for it, it doesnt do it for me". Yet here they are spending more time in SWtor forum than ANY fanboi I've seen constantly pushing SWtor and bioware down. I get it, hype is just that, hype. SWtor can never live up to it thats for sure. But this is just silly.
This just goes to show people know what to expect from TOR for the most part. Which has some people raging already, mainly those sick of the WOW model or those who do not like themeparks in general.
I guess you could say the suspension of disbelief is no longer suspended, which is not the case with GW2 or TSW. These two games still have the luxury of giving way to the imagination of what they will be, rather than the reality of it.
Regardless of this people who are raging will still pick up the game for whatever reason. We'll still get to hear how much they hate themeparks or WOW-like games come launch. I'm sure they'll all be saying it's the fanboi's fault, they were lead to believe the game was something more. Bioware lied etc.. etc...
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
Idd this.
Having already made my mind up months ago I still bought the game to still be eligible for SWtor bashing even after release. Here's my objective review....
Without a doubt we'll see those.
Malickie is right and the really bad thing these people do not see how pathetic they are. Fact is we have absolutely no idea how good or bad this game will be until after it goes live and we can play it. When people blindly attack something like this it just makes them look immature. At least with the fanboys though, you don't feel such the need to take a shower after reading the garbage the haters are spewing out. Keep in mind that goes for most any game though and in some cases it is worse for games that have already been released. Personally, I highly doubt I'll be reading any forums for a long while after SWTOR releases, but then again, I am a fan of BioWare's stories.
"If half of what you tell me is a lie, how can I believe any of it?"