Really 15 times? Did they pay substantial money to the reps of these other companies, identities to give them the awards, would not surprise me.
This was addressed in the first 3 responses to this thread. My response was sarcastic due to the predictable unsubstantiated responses I was expecting to receive such as this one.
Kind of funny getting so many awards at a press suck up convention in which their biggest competition isnt even there. Wonder just ho wmany of those awards they would have gotten if Arenanet had showed up. Wonder how many they will each get at some of the upcoming cons that actually matter, like PAX.
BTW.... don't forget we're in the age of "everyone who participates gets a trophy". Thats what several of those awards feel like.
Kind of funny getting so many awards at a press suck up convention in which their biggest competition isnt even there. Wonder just ho wmany of those awards they would have gotten if Arenanet had showed up. Wonder how many they will each get at some of the upcoming cons that actually matter, like PAX.
BTW.... don't forget we're in the age of "everyone who participates gets a trophy". Thats what several of those awards feel like.
We'll never know ofc who would've won what if ArenaNet had been there. But some ppl here sound like SWtor would've been a better game had they NOT received any awards.... its just mindboggling.
Kind of funny getting so many awards at a press suck up convention in which their biggest competition isnt even there. Wonder just ho wmany of those awards they would have gotten if Arenanet had showed up. Wonder how many they will each get at some of the upcoming cons that actually matter, like PAX.
BTW.... don't forget we're in the age of "everyone who participates gets a trophy". Thats what several of those awards feel like.
We'll never know ofc who would've won what if ArenaNet had been there. But some ppl here sound like SWtor would've been a better game had they NOT received any awards.... its just mindboggling.
Arenanet isn't BioWares biggest competition. Blizzard is. Arenanet is notorious for opting out of the running. They've already done this with their payment model, the skipping of E3 for the past couple years, and the way they titled their first game - not classifying it as an MMORPG specifically. Not like it matters, had arenanet released as much information as SWTOR has over the years they wouldn't be nearly as interesting.
We'll never know ofc who would've won what if ArenaNet had been there. But some ppl here sound like SWtor would've been a better game had they NOT received any awards.... its just mindboggling.
I think it isn't that mindboggling, I think it's far simpler than that: (some) people hate/dislike something, in this case SWTOR, that much that they can't stomach to hear anything positive about it and they'll try to find any negative thing that can be said about SWTOR that diminishes that positiveness about the object they despise. It doesn't matter that 1 negative argument they present contradicts another negative argument they use, as long as it's negative.
Take for example a look at this example:
Originally posted by kaiser3282
Kind of funny getting so many awards at a press suck up convention in which their biggest competition isnt even there. Wonder just ho wmany of those awards they would have gotten if Arenanet had showed up. Wonder how many they will each get at some of the upcoming cons that actually matter, like PAX.
BTW.... don't forget we're in the age of "everyone who participates gets a trophy". Thats what several of those awards feel like.
First the poster scorns and ridicules those awards as nothing but a 'suck up convention'.
Then he is interested about these awards when it comes to Anet, these same awards that he scorn and thought little of only 1 sentence before.
After this he flipflops again and says they're meaningless because 'everyone who participates gets a trophy', yet he just stated that he's interested in the awards when Arenanet is in the picture?!
Bottomline, there's no logic or consistent common sense in his commentary, only in 1 thing, one common theme and that's that all comments are intended to be negative about SWTOR and in this showcases his negative viewpoint and dislike regarding SWTOR.
The ease with which predictions are made on these forums: Fratman: "I'm saying Spring 2012 at the earliest [for TOR release]. Anyone still clinging to 2011 is deluding themself at this point."
Is E3 still relevant? No? Wait for PAX! Then we get the opinions that really matter, the fans!
i would say that has already happened. The people that have been able to play (the fans) has given the game very positive reviews. So, yes E3 while not being very relevant, was just another place for more people to get their hands on time and dive into just a small part of the game. the only real negative reviews came from some gaming sites that seemed to be pretty biased towards mmo's in general.
Is E3 still relevant? No? Wait for PAX! Then we get the opinions that really matter, the fans!
i would say that has already happened. The people that have been able to play (the fans) has given the game very positive reviews. So, yes E3 while not being very relevant, was just another place for more people to get their hands on time and dive into just a small part of the game. the only real negative reviews came from some gaming sites that seemed to be pretty biased towards mmo's in general.
I agree. This is why I think that the haters have a one week memory spam. People, just go read the feedback from the hands-on event just this past April. There was so much feedback, the majority good. Pax west also had a ton of feedback, mostly good. I agree FreeBooteR that the opinions of the fans are what is most important. Much of that is already out there just over the past two-three months. Yes, this coming summer will be very telling and much more important than what we saw at E3. I totally agree with that.
So you think awards to a game that aint even released yet will tell you that it IS good, no matter what others say?
I suspect fanbois have been in action for this game at E3.
There are a too many sides with this game that is showing potential failure; the space combat alone.
If you think that is the core of the game or that it even needs to be, you haven't educated yourself in why the space combat is even in game at all and the fact that it is just a mini game that they wrapped story around. Thats a good thing. Bioware is only going to continue adding these ancillary activities which are great when waiting for a group or friend. You want space combat to be the core of the game, go play the failed Star Trek Online.
So you think awards to a game that aint even released yet will tell you that it IS good, no matter what others say?
I suspect fanbois have been in action for this game at E3.
There are a too many sides with this game that is showing potential failure; the space combat alone.
Methinks you don't know what E3 is. This is a trade show showcasing other industry professionals. This was not a consumer based show. Most of those that attended have some insight into the business, they didn't just let anyone in, hence, no massive "fanboys" present.
So you think awards to a game that aint even released yet will tell you that it IS good, no matter what others say?
I suspect fanbois have been in action for this game at E3.
There are a too many sides with this game that is showing potential failure; the space combat alone.
The space combat is nothing more than a side mini game, nothing more. The good thing though, is that, the system can be built upon in the future to make it a bigger part of the game. Just because it is not a full fleged flight sim, that you seem to want, doesn't mean that the game will fail.
So you think awards to a game that aint even released yet will tell you that it IS good, no matter what others say?
I suspect fanbois have been in action for this game at E3.
There are a too many sides with this game that is showing potential failure; the space combat alone.
The space combat is nothing more than a side mini game, nothing more. The good thing though, is that, the system can be built upon in the future to make it a bigger part of the game. Just because it is not a full fleged flight sim, that you seem to want, doesn't mean that the game will fail.
stop copying my responses lol, just kidding. Couldn't have said it better :-)
So you think awards to a game that aint even released yet will tell you that it IS good, no matter what others say?
I suspect fanbois have been in action for this game at E3.
There are a too many sides with this game that is showing potential failure; the space combat alone.
The space combat is nothing more than a side mini game, nothing more. The good thing though, is that, the system can be built upon in the future to make it a bigger part of the game. Just because it is not a full fleged flight sim, that you seem to want, doesn't mean that the game will fail.
stop copying my responses lol, just kidding. Couldn't have said it better :-)
Sorry, but you REALLY shouldn't read too much into these sorts of awards. Especialy when they are handed about by organizations who accept (or hope to accept) paid advertisement from the companies who are recieving said awards.
TOR may end up being great or it may end up sucking eggs.... the number of these sorts of awards that it recieves has absolutely no bearing on how good of a game it will end up being....they are more of a reflection on how much effort is being expended to hype it.
At the end of the day, the only award that will really matter is how long it lasts on your hard drive....and probably the only people that have a decent handle on that right now are the select few that already have it on thier hard drives.
Sorry, but you REALLY shouldn't read too much into these sorts of awards. Especialy when they are handed about by organizations who accept (or hope to accept) paid advertisement from the companies who are recieving said awards.
TOR may end up being great or it may end up sucking eggs.... the number of these sorts of awards that it recieves has absolutely no bearing on how good of a game it will end up being....they are more of a reflection on how much effort is being expended to hype it.
At the end of the day, the only award that will really matter is how long it lasts on your hard drive....and probably the only people that have a decent handle on that right now are the select few that already have it on thier hard drives.
I think the awards are also a reflection of how well the game was received by the people who got to try it out at the show. Based on the number of awards they received, it seems people were clearly impressed. No amount of hype can make someone enjoy the game more when they sit down and play it.
Press event awards mean about as much as an IGN review. Sure, they might have some valid points hidden somewhere, but if it has potential to make butt loads of revenue by following an established moneymaker formula, it'll get high marks regardless.
We'll never know ofc who would've won what if ArenaNet had been there. But some ppl here sound like SWtor would've been a better game had they NOT received any awards.... its just mindboggling.
I think it isn't that mindboggling, I think it's far simpler than that: (some) people hate/dislike something, in this case SWTOR, that much that they can't stomach to hear anything positive about it and they'll try to find any negative thing that can be said about SWTOR that diminishes that positiveness about the object they despise. It doesn't matter that 1 negative argument they present contradicts another negative argument they use, as long as it's negative.
Take for example a look at this example:
Originally posted by kaiser3282
Kind of funny getting so many awards at a press suck up convention in which their biggest competition isnt even there. Wonder just ho wmany of those awards they would have gotten if Arenanet had showed up. Wonder how many they will each get at some of the upcoming cons that actually matter, like PAX.
BTW.... don't forget we're in the age of "everyone who participates gets a trophy". Thats what several of those awards feel like.
First the poster scorns and ridicules those awards as nothing but a 'suck up convention'.
Then he is interested about these awards when it comes to Anet, these same awards that he scorn and thought little of only 1 sentence before.
After this he flipflops again and says they're meaningless because 'everyone who participates gets a trophy', yet he just stated that he's interested in the awards when Arenanet is in the picture?!
Bottomline, there's no logic or consistent common sense in his commentary, only in 1 thing, one common theme and that's that all comments are intended to be negative about SWTOR and in this showcases his negative viewpoint and dislike regarding SWTOR.
Amusing, but completely horrible analysis there kid. I didnt flip flop about anything. Did i say the awards would magically mean something because Anet was there? No. Only that if they wer ethere, they would have gotten several of them instead of SWTOR. How did you manage to translate that into they would suddenly matter? They would still be useless and meaningless, but SWTOR would have gotten less of them. Can you grasp that?
And i did not say ALL of them were cases of everyone who participates gets a trophy. See the word "several"? Please grab a dictionary or thesaurus. They might do you some good. Now please step down from your "fanboi" pedestal where anyone who says anything remotely negative about SWTOR is automatically a hater out to bring down the almoighty saviour of all that is MMO SWTOR.
I really dont care, SWTOR has simply failed to impress and im not interested in it. I just think its funny that people are trying to hype up SWTOR because of some ridiculous awards at a pointless convention.
i know youve already seen the various discussions not only this year, but the past couple years for why Anet doesnt go to E3, so please dont try to bring it up as them somehow not competing. They know, as most of us do, that E3 is a waste of time and money that could be spent on better things. They dont need the press to promote their game, they do it themselves and quite succesfully. And they didnt classify it as an MMORPG because it ISNT a full MMORPG, much like Diablo wasnt. And wtf does their payment model have to do with any of this? Does having a subscription somehow make SWTOR a better game? Considering the quality of the game, id say quite the opposite.
Velika: City of Wheels: Among the mortal races, the humans were the only one that never built cities or great empires; a curse laid upon them by their creator, Gidd, forced them to wander as nomads for twenty centuries...
That's kinda my point....there really is no MMO's to look forward to especially this year. Sure we have a list of upcoming releases but it seems SWTOR, Tera and GW2 are the 'big 3'. We won't see GW2 this year and Tera is an asian based game trying to appeal to western gamers, really a frist attempt of this, so it is no surprise that SWTOR won so many awards.
That's kinda my point....there really is no MMO's to look forward to especially this year. Sure we have a list of upcoming releases but it seems SWTOR, Tera and GW2 are the 'big 3'. We won't see GW2 this year and Tera is an asian based game trying to appeal to western gamers, really a frist attempt of this, so it is no surprise that SWTOR won so many awards.
Yeah "most anticipated mmo" / "best music" really nails it imo.
Velika: City of Wheels: Among the mortal races, the humans were the only one that never built cities or great empires; a curse laid upon them by their creator, Gidd, forced them to wander as nomads for twenty centuries...
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I'm just waiting for the game to launch, read the reviews and try it if the review are decent, before I praise or crucify SWTOR
Really 15 times? Did they pay substantial money to the reps of these other companies, identities to give them the awards, would not surprise me.
This was addressed in the first 3 responses to this thread. My response was sarcastic due to the predictable unsubstantiated responses I was expecting to receive such as this one.
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Kind of funny getting so many awards at a press suck up convention in which their biggest competition isnt even there. Wonder just ho wmany of those awards they would have gotten if Arenanet had showed up. Wonder how many they will each get at some of the upcoming cons that actually matter, like PAX.
BTW.... don't forget we're in the age of "everyone who participates gets a trophy". Thats what several of those awards feel like.
We'll never know ofc who would've won what if ArenaNet had been there. But some ppl here sound like SWtor would've been a better game had they NOT received any awards.... its just mindboggling.
Arenanet isn't BioWares biggest competition. Blizzard is. Arenanet is notorious for opting out of the running. They've already done this with their payment model, the skipping of E3 for the past couple years, and the way they titled their first game - not classifying it as an MMORPG specifically. Not like it matters, had arenanet released as much information as SWTOR has over the years they wouldn't be nearly as interesting.
I think it isn't that mindboggling, I think it's far simpler than that: (some) people hate/dislike something, in this case SWTOR, that much that they can't stomach to hear anything positive about it and they'll try to find any negative thing that can be said about SWTOR that diminishes that positiveness about the object they despise. It doesn't matter that 1 negative argument they present contradicts another negative argument they use, as long as it's negative.
Take for example a look at this example:
First the poster scorns and ridicules those awards as nothing but a 'suck up convention'.
Then he is interested about these awards when it comes to Anet, these same awards that he scorn and thought little of only 1 sentence before.
After this he flipflops again and says they're meaningless because 'everyone who participates gets a trophy', yet he just stated that he's interested in the awards when Arenanet is in the picture?!
Bottomline, there's no logic or consistent common sense in his commentary, only in 1 thing, one common theme and that's that all comments are intended to be negative about SWTOR and in this showcases his negative viewpoint and dislike regarding SWTOR.
The ACTUAL size of MMORPG worlds: a comparison list between MMO's
The ease with which predictions are made on these forums:
Fratman: "I'm saying Spring 2012 at the earliest [for TOR release]. Anyone still clinging to 2011 is deluding themself at this point."
Is E3 still relevant? No? Wait for PAX! Then we get the opinions that really matter, the fans!
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i would say that has already happened. The people that have been able to play (the fans) has given the game very positive reviews. So, yes E3 while not being very relevant, was just another place for more people to get their hands on time and dive into just a small part of the game. the only real negative reviews came from some gaming sites that seemed to be pretty biased towards mmo's in general.
So you think awards to a game that aint even released yet will tell you that it IS good, no matter what others say?
I suspect fanbois have been in action for this game at E3.
There are a too many sides with this game that is showing potential failure; the space combat alone.
Make us care MORE about our faction & world pvp!
I agree. This is why I think that the haters have a one week memory spam. People, just go read the feedback from the hands-on event just this past April. There was so much feedback, the majority good. Pax west also had a ton of feedback, mostly good. I agree FreeBooteR that the opinions of the fans are what is most important. Much of that is already out there just over the past two-three months. Yes, this coming summer will be very telling and much more important than what we saw at E3. I totally agree with that.
There Is Always Hope!
Ever play SWG? I guess not because the space combat was one of its best mechanics.
And thank god for the world outside of MMOROG. Because millions of players will play that game and thank god they arn't on this site.
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If you think that is the core of the game or that it even needs to be, you haven't educated yourself in why the space combat is even in game at all and the fact that it is just a mini game that they wrapped story around. Thats a good thing. Bioware is only going to continue adding these ancillary activities which are great when waiting for a group or friend. You want space combat to be the core of the game, go play the failed Star Trek Online.
There Is Always Hope!
Methinks you don't know what E3 is. This is a trade show showcasing other industry professionals. This was not a consumer based show. Most of those that attended have some insight into the business, they didn't just let anyone in, hence, no massive "fanboys" present.
The space combat is nothing more than a side mini game, nothing more. The good thing though, is that, the system can be built upon in the future to make it a bigger part of the game. Just because it is not a full fleged flight sim, that you seem to want, doesn't mean that the game will fail.
stop copying my responses lol, just kidding. Couldn't have said it better :-)
There Is Always Hope!
Hey, you know what they say about great minds.
Sorry, but you REALLY shouldn't read too much into these sorts of awards. Especialy when they are handed about by organizations who accept (or hope to accept) paid advertisement from the companies who are recieving said awards.
TOR may end up being great or it may end up sucking eggs.... the number of these sorts of awards that it recieves has absolutely no bearing on how good of a game it will end up being....they are more of a reflection on how much effort is being expended to hype it.
At the end of the day, the only award that will really matter is how long it lasts on your hard drive....and probably the only people that have a decent handle on that right now are the select few that already have it on thier hard drives.
I think the awards are also a reflection of how well the game was received by the people who got to try it out at the show. Based on the number of awards they received, it seems people were clearly impressed. No amount of hype can make someone enjoy the game more when they sit down and play it.
Press event awards mean about as much as an IGN review. Sure, they might have some valid points hidden somewhere, but if it has potential to make butt loads of revenue by following an established moneymaker formula, it'll get high marks regardless.
Amusing, but completely horrible analysis there kid. I didnt flip flop about anything. Did i say the awards would magically mean something because Anet was there? No. Only that if they wer ethere, they would have gotten several of them instead of SWTOR. How did you manage to translate that into they would suddenly matter? They would still be useless and meaningless, but SWTOR would have gotten less of them. Can you grasp that?
And i did not say ALL of them were cases of everyone who participates gets a trophy. See the word "several"? Please grab a dictionary or thesaurus. They might do you some good. Now please step down from your "fanboi" pedestal where anyone who says anything remotely negative about SWTOR is automatically a hater out to bring down the almoighty saviour of all that is MMO SWTOR.
I really dont care, SWTOR has simply failed to impress and im not interested in it. I just think its funny that people are trying to hype up SWTOR because of some ridiculous awards at a pointless convention.
@Masked:
i know youve already seen the various discussions not only this year, but the past couple years for why Anet doesnt go to E3, so please dont try to bring it up as them somehow not competing. They know, as most of us do, that E3 is a waste of time and money that could be spent on better things. They dont need the press to promote their game, they do it themselves and quite succesfully. And they didnt classify it as an MMORPG because it ISNT a full MMORPG, much like Diablo wasnt. And wtf does their payment model have to do with any of this? Does having a subscription somehow make SWTOR a better game? Considering the quality of the game, id say quite the opposite.
And who exactly was the competition? I once won an award....I was the only contestant!
These guys: http://www.tera-online.com/forums/showthread.php?t=19083
Velika: City of Wheels: Among the mortal races, the humans were the only one that never built cities or great empires; a curse laid upon them by their creator, Gidd, forced them to wander as nomads for twenty centuries...
That's kinda my point....there really is no MMO's to look forward to especially this year. Sure we have a list of upcoming releases but it seems SWTOR, Tera and GW2 are the 'big 3'. We won't see GW2 this year and Tera is an asian based game trying to appeal to western gamers, really a frist attempt of this, so it is no surprise that SWTOR won so many awards.
Yeah "most anticipated mmo" / "best music" really nails it imo.
Velika: City of Wheels: Among the mortal races, the humans were the only one that never built cities or great empires; a curse laid upon them by their creator, Gidd, forced them to wander as nomads for twenty centuries...