Cherpie... It does not matter what you or i or others think or want...
This is a decision taken by LucasArt the company that owns Star Wars as a brand and they only want one Star Wars MMO on the market, since they see it as (and from a marketing standpoint correctly) splitting the subscriber pool and thus force our hand in choosing to close down one game.
To the OP: So no matter what the game was (and i still want my Image Designer/Tailor back without having to respec back and forth) or is it will not br re-vitalized no matter how much noise peole make. Because not matter how many that do it, it is still to few. So just le this game die with dignity.
Why would anyone really want to save this game, at least in its present form.. lets face it.. SWG has been a joke for years.
isnt it kinder to bury the dead....
Okay, how about all comments about Star Wars Galaxies and all the flaws it has and all the stuff SoE did before to ruin it and everything after... How about because we the customers/fan base/the underdogs, had someone speak for us, make a decision for us without even asking how we felt about it. Because we spent so much time, effort and money into that game. Do any of you like decisions being made for you? In the world we live in now, decisions are being made for us that don't ever benefit us. Yes, we are the underdogs trying to save a game that came to mean so much to us. I'm sure some of you guys have been around a long time and have seen a lot of games come and go and if you EVER spent any sort of time in Star Wars Galaxies, a game that offers such a variety of things to do, you would know what I was talking about. Those people that loved the game so much before pre-NGE and SoE did what they did, you all signed a petition and yes, nothing happened, they turned their backs on you, don't you for once, want to see something positive happen for those of us who love the game just as much as you did, come out on top? This is about standing up for something you believe in and not being run over by a big corporation concerned more about making money than caring about their fan base. Why not stand up and cheer for the underdogs instead of sending scathing remarks or jeers at us? Why not support your fellow gamers for standing up and TRYING to save something so beloved to us? Most of us would still pay hard earned money to play this game to keep it going. I work hard for my money and I have bills like everyone else, but I still would pay.
I know that there are those of you out there rolling your eyes at what I just said, but I speak from my heart and we have to at least try, so please, please, please.. don't ridicule us for what we are trying to do. Give us your support (no matter how lame you think the reason is) do it because you have hearts and because as gamers, we all share the same thing in common, the love of immersing oneself into a fantasy world where you can disappear in just for a little bit before you have to go back to the reality of your real life.
What about all of you still playing that did not stand up for the community and the game when the NGE hit?
Had YOU supported the Pre-NGE version, maybe non of us would had been out of SWG this December.
If you just read everything I just wrote and it didn't hit home in one tiny way or another, then I don't know what else I can say to make you see why this means so much.
I'm just like everyone here, I love to game.
People have stressful lives, jobs, etc and people enjoy gaming just to forget about RL just for a bit.
Lets just forget about all the ways SoE/LA screwed the game, again, don't you care that there are people out there trying to make a difference for others? Yes, its a game, I know this. Our government screws us over each and every day with decisions that they think are best for us and you know as I said before, it hasn't benefitted me at all with any decision they have EVER made. These guys at SoE and Lucas, we all know for them its all about killing SWG to make room for ToR. If they had brains, they would have known that people playing SWG would have least tried the game or even played it right alongside ToR. This is all about money. The two games could have co-existed with each other.
Why would anyone really want to save this game, at least in its present form.. lets face it.. SWG has been a joke for years.
isnt it kinder to bury the dead....
Okay, how about all comments about Star Wars Galaxies and all the flaws it has and all the stuff SoE did before to ruin it and everything after... How about because we the customers/fan base/the underdogs, had someone speak for us, make a decision for us without even asking how we felt about it. Because we spent so much time, effort and money into that game. Do any of you like decisions being made for you? In the world we live in now, decisions are being made for us that don't ever benefit us. Yes, we are the underdogs trying to save a game that came to mean so much to us. I'm sure some of you guys have been around a long time and have seen a lot of games come and go and if you EVER spent any sort of time in Star Wars Galaxies, a game that offers such a variety of things to do, you would know what I was talking about. Those people that loved the game so much before pre-NGE and SoE did what they did, you all signed a petition and yes, nothing happened, they turned their backs on you, don't you for once, want to see something positive happen for those of us who love the game just as much as you did, come out on top? This is about standing up for something you believe in and not being run over by a big corporation concerned more about making money than caring about their fan base. Why not stand up and cheer for the underdogs instead of sending scathing remarks or jeers at us? Why not support your fellow gamers for standing up and TRYING to save something so beloved to us? Most of us would still pay hard earned money to play this game to keep it going. I work hard for my money and I have bills like everyone else, but I still would pay.
I know that there are those of you out there rolling your eyes at what I just said, but I speak from my heart and we have to at least try, so please, please, please.. don't ridicule us for what we are trying to do. Give us your support (no matter how lame you think the reason is) do it because you have hearts and because as gamers, we all share the same thing in common, the love of immersing oneself into a fantasy world where you can disappear in just for a little bit before you have to go back to the reality of your real life.
What about all of you still playing that did not stand up for the community and the game when the NGE hit?
Had YOU supported the Pre-NGE version, maybe non of us would had been out of SWG this December.
This is Karma.
When SWG came out, I wasn't even gaming. I didn't even know SWG even existed until an ex-boyfriend loaded it up on his computer and I saw it. And again, I am sorry that changes were made that infuriated and alienated SWG fans over that whole situation, but you can't blame me or other newer players for this. I've only been in SWG for about 3 years now.
OP to save swg you were supposed to buy subscriptions not make free petitions. swg runs on money not on votes.
For being that old, the SWG subscription base was fine. It showed higher sub numbers than EQ 2, WAR etc.
The reason for it being shut down was company politics and not subs. Lucas Arts and EA didn't want another game to compete with their new golden calf, SW:TOR.
So even though I like to support this petition, it is futile. Once those guys in suits have made up their minds, us common people cant do much about it.
It was obvious this was going to happen with the old republic on the way. Lucasarts (or any other company) isn't going to allow 2 competing products, it's bad for business. I'm suprised it didn't happen years ago with the state SWG was left in.
The good news is TOR is likely to be released before SWG is shut down. They will want to allow people to hop right in to the new MMO and not have a large gap where people will drift off to other titles
Thank you for posting that. I have signed it and passed it on.
For those of you idiots who posted how dumb it was to even try and save such a great game, do you even play the game?
People ACCEPT the game for how it is, flaws and all and we LOVE to play it because its so much more different than the other games.
A decision was made for us and maybe we are signing it to let these big corporations know that we are not happy about it. Whether it fails or succeeds, at least we tried, so keep your stupid remarks to yourselves.
People were willing to try both games or even play them at the same time, but again LA being the assholes that they are, did what they did and well, here we are. I have played many different MMORPG's but NONE ever compared to SWG. So you elitist gamer pigs can STFU about "how dumb and pointless" it is to try and save our game. Don't pick it apart and name all the things that SoE could have done, blah, blah, blah. We ALREADY KNOW AND ARE STILL WILLING TO PLAY IT!!!!!!
If you asked anyone who is still playing SWG or the ones who plan to stick around until December, you would get some heartfelt stories about why they still play the game, why they love it so much. Don't be so quick to be such jerks because we are trying to save a game. Have a heart FFS.
If they didn't listen to the 200k or so in 2005 wanting Pre-NGE back, what seriously makes you think they are going to listen to you now? Let the freaking game die already. As another poster said. This is karma coming back bite all the Pre-NGE haters smack dead in the ass for telling us all these years to quit crying and to get over it.
Thank you for posting that. I have signed it and passed it on.
For those of you idiots who posted how dumb it was to even try and save such a great game, do you even play the game?
People ACCEPT the game for how it is, flaws and all and we LOVE to play it because its so much more different than the other games.
A decision was made for us and maybe we are signing it to let these big corporations know that we are not happy about it. Whether it fails or succeeds, at least we tried, so keep your stupid remarks to yourselves.
People were willing to try both games or even play them at the same time, but again LA being the assholes that they are, did what they did and well, here we are. I have played many different MMORPG's but NONE ever compared to SWG. So you elitist gamer pigs can STFU about "how dumb and pointless" it is to try and save our game. Don't pick it apart and name all the things that SoE could have done, blah, blah, blah. We ALREADY KNOW AND ARE STILL WILLING TO PLAY IT!!!!!!
If you asked anyone who is still playing SWG or the ones who plan to stick around until December, you would get some heartfelt stories about why they still play the game, why they love it so much. Don't be so quick to be such jerks because we are trying to save a game. Have a heart FFS.
If they didn't listen to the 200k or so in 2005 wanting Pre-NGE back, what seriously makes you think they are going to listen to you now? Let the freaking game die already. As another poster said. This is karma coming back bite all the Pre-NGE haters smack dead in the ass for telling us all these years to quit crying and to get over it.
Thank you for posting that. I have signed it and passed it on.
For those of you idiots who posted how dumb it was to even try and save such a great game, do you even play the game?
People ACCEPT the game for how it is, flaws and all and we LOVE to play it because its so much more different than the other games.
A decision was made for us and maybe we are signing it to let these big corporations know that we are not happy about it. Whether it fails or succeeds, at least we tried, so keep your stupid remarks to yourselves.
People were willing to try both games or even play them at the same time, but again LA being the assholes that they are, did what they did and well, here we are. I have played many different MMORPG's but NONE ever compared to SWG. So you elitist gamer pigs can STFU about "how dumb and pointless" it is to try and save our game. Don't pick it apart and name all the things that SoE could have done, blah, blah, blah. We ALREADY KNOW AND ARE STILL WILLING TO PLAY IT!!!!!!
If you asked anyone who is still playing SWG or the ones who plan to stick around until December, you would get some heartfelt stories about why they still play the game, why they love it so much. Don't be so quick to be such jerks because we are trying to save a game. Have a heart FFS.
If they didn't listen to the 200k or so in 2005 wanting Pre-NGE back, what seriously makes you think they are going to listen to you now? Let the freaking game die already. As another poster said. This is karma coming back bite all the Pre-NGE haters smack dead in the ass for telling us all these years to quit crying and to get over it.
Stop crying. Closure at last.
Please. The only person crying is the OP and the other NGE fanbois. I'm glad this game finally took a 12 guage to the face and is being put out of its misery. Should have done it years ago.
Why do people think that SWG was going to be competition for SWTOR? Does anyone really think that Lucas Art or Bioware were living in fear of competing with SWG? As if it was somehow going to threaten the success of the old republic or steal players away?
Lucas Arts most certainly did not close this game down and least of all they wouldn't do it for fear of SWG being a competitor. It is doubtful that SWG had more than 5,000 or so subscribers.
An online petition is going to fall on deaf ears. SWG requires a license and that license costs money. SWG has been dieing for far more years than it was succeeding. I doubt SOE could afford to keep running the game, afford to invest in redesigning the game for a fourth time to have a F2P model or even understands how to successfully run a F2P game.
SOE and Lucas Arts only listen to one thing and that is money. If you really want to be heard then perhaps find a way that speaks the language they can understand.
Thank you for posting that. I have signed it and passed it on.
For those of you idiots who posted how dumb it was to even try and save such a great game, do you even play the game?
People ACCEPT the game for how it is, flaws and all and we LOVE to play it because its so much more different than the other games.
A decision was made for us and maybe we are signing it to let these big corporations know that we are not happy about it. Whether it fails or succeeds, at least we tried, so keep your stupid remarks to yourselves.
People were willing to try both games or even play them at the same time, but again LA being the assholes that they are, did what they did and well, here we are. I have played many different MMORPG's but NONE ever compared to SWG. So you elitist gamer pigs can STFU about "how dumb and pointless" it is to try and save our game. Don't pick it apart and name all the things that SoE could have done, blah, blah, blah. We ALREADY KNOW AND ARE STILL WILLING TO PLAY IT!!!!!!
If you asked anyone who is still playing SWG or the ones who plan to stick around until December, you would get some heartfelt stories about why they still play the game, why they love it so much. Don't be so quick to be such jerks because we are trying to save a game. Have a heart FFS.
Jesus this is so sad. Did you think it was going to just go on forever? SOE gave you 6 months of warning. Be thankful for that much.
I love how people play a game so much they lose touch with reality. You NEVER had a say in this games future. You would think the NGE would have taught everyone that lesson. To SOE and LA you are nothing more than a pay check..and a small one at that. They know you will pay for TOR and even if you and every SWG player decides not to it really is not going to matter all that much. SWG did not have enough people playing to fill the servers they had..not even close.
This is not about being an elitist .. it is about being realistic.
Thank you for posting that. I have signed it and passed it on.
For those of you idiots who posted how dumb it was to even try and save such a great game, do you even play the game?
People ACCEPT the game for how it is, flaws and all and we LOVE to play it because its so much more different than the other games.
A decision was made for us and maybe we are signing it to let these big corporations know that we are not happy about it. Whether it fails or succeeds, at least we tried, so keep your stupid remarks to yourselves.
People were willing to try both games or even play them at the same time, but again LA being the assholes that they are, did what they did and well, here we are. I have played many different MMORPG's but NONE ever compared to SWG. So you elitist gamer pigs can STFU about "how dumb and pointless" it is to try and save our game. Don't pick it apart and name all the things that SoE could have done, blah, blah, blah. We ALREADY KNOW AND ARE STILL WILLING TO PLAY IT!!!!!!
If you asked anyone who is still playing SWG or the ones who plan to stick around until December, you would get some heartfelt stories about why they still play the game, why they love it so much. Don't be so quick to be such jerks because we are trying to save a game. Have a heart FFS.
Jesus this is so sad. Did you think it was going to just go on forever? SOE gave you 6 months of warning. Be thankful for that much.
I love how people play a game so much they lose touch with reality. You NEVER had a say in this games future. You would think the NGE would have taught everyone that lesson. To SOE and LA you are nothing more than a pay check..and a small one at that. They know you will pay for TOR and even if you and every SWG player decides not to it really is not going to matter all that much. SWG did not have enough people playing to fill the servers they had..not even close.
This is not about being an elitist .. it is about being realistic.
You sir, are an idiot. No one who plays this game has lost touch with reality, we want to save it because its a great game. I can see I wasted my time here, all you morons have a great day and thanks for the no show of support. I think I represented myself well in my postings about why it was worth saving and it fell upon deaf ears.
The real SWG died November 15, 2005. Even after all the petitioning we did back then, it didn't do any good. Like others have been saying if us 200k out of the estimated 250k didn't get through to them (they called us the minority...lol), there's no way the remains can reach. I guess for those who laughed at us for our game getting taken away get a little karma for their behavior and I don't feel sorry for them, though I do feel sorry for the new players who little idea of what had occurred in the history of the game.
Just let it go, it's time this zombie got put out of misery. I and many of my old SWG buddies have been planning on playing TOR for a long time, maybe you guys can join us in our future new home. Cheers to all those who played and loved the game
Note to Cherpie: Calling people idiots or morons is not a good way to win people to your side of an issue.
Unless you can get a couple of million signatures and guarantee that those people will re-subscribe it's a complete waste of time. The game is a mess and it has been for over half a decade, theres no chance SOE are going to get players back.
although being right allll of the time has its obvious advantages, it's still painful to watch the slower less observant people come to the same conclusion years later after much grief and stress.
Ohh and fyi post CU, SWG-Emu had the pre-CU version running and it was awesome - sorry you all missed out.
You might want to pop over to Massively and re-read the interview with Smed. Especially the bit where they ask if there is anything players can do to stop this, and he replies "No."
That should of been a fairly big indicator to you that a petition will not change the fact that Lucas has dumped the contract and is moving on.
"When people don't know much about something, they tend to fill in the blanks the way they want them to be filled in. They are almost always disappointed." - Will Wright
There isn't anything to save. Its dead since Nov 15 2005.
We will never forgive or forget !
-----MY-TERMS-OF-USE-------------------------------------------------- $OE - eternal enemy of online gaming -We finally WON !!!! 2011 $OE accepted that they have been fired 2005 by the playerbase and closed down ridiculous NGE !!
"There was suppression of speech and all kinds of things between disturbing and fascistic." Raph Koster (parted $OE)
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Cherpie... It does not matter what you or i or others think or want...
This is a decision taken by LucasArt the company that owns Star Wars as a brand and they only want one Star Wars MMO on the market, since they see it as (and from a marketing standpoint correctly) splitting the subscriber pool and thus force our hand in choosing to close down one game.
To the OP: So no matter what the game was (and i still want my Image Designer/Tailor back without having to respec back and forth) or is it will not br re-vitalized no matter how much noise peole make. Because not matter how many that do it, it is still to few. So just le this game die with dignity.
This have been a good conversation
What about all of you still playing that did not stand up for the community and the game when the NGE hit?
Had YOU supported the Pre-NGE version, maybe non of us would had been out of SWG this December.
This is Karma.
Why?
If you just read everything I just wrote and it didn't hit home in one tiny way or another, then I don't know what else I can say to make you see why this means so much.
I'm just like everyone here, I love to game.
People have stressful lives, jobs, etc and people enjoy gaming just to forget about RL just for a bit.
Lets just forget about all the ways SoE/LA screwed the game, again, don't you care that there are people out there trying to make a difference for others? Yes, its a game, I know this. Our government screws us over each and every day with decisions that they think are best for us and you know as I said before, it hasn't benefitted me at all with any decision they have EVER made. These guys at SoE and Lucas, we all know for them its all about killing SWG to make room for ToR. If they had brains, they would have known that people playing SWG would have least tried the game or even played it right alongside ToR. This is all about money. The two games could have co-existed with each other.
This is a David and Goliath story. End of.
Apart from LulzSec disbanding yesterday, I agree.
Let it die already. Just let it die.
Edit: By the way, I looked at the petition and that website looks like a huge scam. It's sad SWG fanatics are getting duped with a fake scam petition.
Admittedly if Sony go the same route that they did to end The Matrix Online, then SWG is fairly doomed, petition or not.
But..
SAVE THE EWOKS! OR FACE EWOK GENOCIDE! Although some will find that thought entertaining.
For being that old, the SWG subscription base was fine. It showed higher sub numbers than EQ 2, WAR etc.
The reason for it being shut down was company politics and not subs. Lucas Arts and EA didn't want another game to compete with their new golden calf, SW:TOR.
So even though I like to support this petition, it is futile. Once those guys in suits have made up their minds, us common people cant do much about it.
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so glad this game is being taken off of life support.
It was obvious this was going to happen with the old republic on the way. Lucasarts (or any other company) isn't going to allow 2 competing products, it's bad for business. I'm suprised it didn't happen years ago with the state SWG was left in.
The good news is TOR is likely to be released before SWG is shut down. They will want to allow people to hop right in to the new MMO and not have a large gap where people will drift off to other titles
If they didn't listen to the 200k or so in 2005 wanting Pre-NGE back, what seriously makes you think they are going to listen to you now? Let the freaking game die already. As another poster said. This is karma coming back bite all the Pre-NGE haters smack dead in the ass for telling us all these years to quit crying and to get over it.
Stop crying. Closure at last.
Please. The only person crying is the OP and the other NGE fanbois. I'm glad this game finally took a 12 guage to the face and is being put out of its misery. Should have done it years ago.
Why do people think that SWG was going to be competition for SWTOR? Does anyone really think that Lucas Art or Bioware were living in fear of competing with SWG? As if it was somehow going to threaten the success of the old republic or steal players away?
Lucas Arts most certainly did not close this game down and least of all they wouldn't do it for fear of SWG being a competitor. It is doubtful that SWG had more than 5,000 or so subscribers.
An online petition is going to fall on deaf ears. SWG requires a license and that license costs money. SWG has been dieing for far more years than it was succeeding. I doubt SOE could afford to keep running the game, afford to invest in redesigning the game for a fourth time to have a F2P model or even understands how to successfully run a F2P game.
SOE and Lucas Arts only listen to one thing and that is money. If you really want to be heard then perhaps find a way that speaks the language they can understand.
An online petition isnt worth a crap. Earth and Beyond had one for years since 2004!
LINK
These big companies will not listen. It is useless. Like kicking a you know what.
Jesus this is so sad. Did you think it was going to just go on forever? SOE gave you 6 months of warning. Be thankful for that much.
I love how people play a game so much they lose touch with reality. You NEVER had a say in this games future. You would think the NGE would have taught everyone that lesson. To SOE and LA you are nothing more than a pay check..and a small one at that. They know you will pay for TOR and even if you and every SWG player decides not to it really is not going to matter all that much. SWG did not have enough people playing to fill the servers they had..not even close.
This is not about being an elitist .. it is about being realistic.
We old schools vets tried to petition NGE (as you can see it didn't work and there was a mass Exodus of us that left).
However, Its worth a shot to the OP to fight for the game you love to play, but your going to get the same end results as we did.
I don't mean to sound pessimistic, but in the words of Han Solo, "Goodluck, your going to need it".
Its dead Jim, and has been for a very long time...
The real SWG died November 15, 2005. Even after all the petitioning we did back then, it didn't do any good. Like others have been saying if us 200k out of the estimated 250k didn't get through to them (they called us the minority...lol), there's no way the remains can reach. I guess for those who laughed at us for our game getting taken away get a little karma for their behavior and I don't feel sorry for them, though I do feel sorry for the new players who little idea of what had occurred in the history of the game.
Just let it go, it's time this zombie got put out of misery. I and many of my old SWG buddies have been planning on playing TOR for a long time, maybe you guys can join us in our future new home. Cheers to all those who played and loved the game
Note to Cherpie: Calling people idiots or morons is not a good way to win people to your side of an issue.
Unless you can get a couple of million signatures and guarantee that those people will re-subscribe it's a complete waste of time. The game is a mess and it has been for over half a decade, theres no chance SOE are going to get players back.
although being right allll of the time has its obvious advantages, it's still painful to watch the slower less observant people come to the same conclusion years later after much grief and stress.
Ohh and fyi post CU, SWG-Emu had the pre-CU version running and it was awesome - sorry you all missed out.
You might want to pop over to Massively and re-read the interview with Smed. Especially the bit where they ask if there is anything players can do to stop this, and he replies "No."
That should of been a fairly big indicator to you that a petition will not change the fact that Lucas has dumped the contract and is moving on.
In case you dont have the link: http://massively.joystiq.com/2011/06/24/exclusive-smedley-on-the-sunsetting-of-star-wars-galaxies/
"When people don't know much about something, they tend to fill in the blanks the way they want them to be filled in. They are almost always disappointed." - Will Wright
There isn't anything to save. Its dead since Nov 15 2005.
We will never forgive or forget !
-----MY-TERMS-OF-USE--------------------------------------------------
$OE - eternal enemy of online gaming
-We finally WON !!!! 2011 $OE accepted that they have been fired 2005 by the playerbase and closed down ridiculous NGE !!
"There was suppression of speech and all kinds of things between disturbing and fascistic." Raph Koster (parted $OE)
Can I ask...
What would be the best outcome from this? They leave the game up and charge you $15 a month, never again developing it?