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An Injustice In EVE
Teala
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It has been brought to my attention that a good freind of mine in the game of EVE is not getting her just reward for a contest created by another player. RAW23 of EVE Online started a contest that asked players to come up with a "A Moment Communal Outrage" to protest the actions of CCP recently. This good friend of mine made a suggestion that people could show their anger with CCP by flying to Jita in protest.
She posted this suggestion the day RAW23 announced his contest in his very own thread(the one where he announced the contest in). She then went about making the "Jita Fly-In" a reality and created her own thread, as well, to promote it. She also went in game and made announcements in various channels announcing the protest - giving time and date of when it would occur. Here is her thread. It is dated 6/22/2011. Same day as the contest was started. Original thread by RAW23 asking players to participate in coming up with ways to protest. You can find Khira's first post suggesting the Jita Protest there.
It turns out that another player on 6/24/2011(two days later) started a thread suggestiing a "Jita Fly-In" protest - 7 minutes before my friends protest was to begin at 5:00 PM.
As we all know the Jita protest was huge. It really had an impact on the game. It made it into gaming news and gaming websites and did what it was suppose to do.
As of today the creator of the contest made his list of people he thought deserved the contest proceeds (10 billion ISK - 7.5bil for 1st place and 2.5bil for second place). First on the list was a player named Kristina Vanszar. The person that posted the day that my friends protest was to start. He gave her credit instead of my friend. My friend actually posted the suggestion first and actually got the ball rolling on the Jita Fly-In and this Kristina Vanszar is being credited with the creation of the protest. This is not true - Khira Kitamatsu started it.
So when Khira and a couple of her supporters decided to protest this fact that RAW23 was wrong and that Khira started the protest and he was wrongly giving credit to someone else, he started to come up with excuses and is trying to weasal his way out of giving credit where credit is due. Khira Kitamtasu should be listed as the originator of the Jita Protest. I should know, I was sitting next to her the day she began it. I was in the very same room in fact. LOL!
When Khira herself made light of this fact, he said he stood by his "short list" and that Khira should stop protesting his choice and drum up votes fior herself.
Here is what he wrote...
Quote RAW23 - "There is not really anything more to discuss here. I have accepted your nomination and have said people can vote for you. The shortlist represents my personal views and I'm not taking someone off it because you posted the idea first. I've said a number of time that that point doesn't really interest me. I suggest you focus on drumming up supporters to vote for you rather than spamming this thread with your outrage."
So in that vain I am here to help Khira drum up votes! If RAW23 wants to play that way and try to cheat someone out of their winnings and it seems that that is what he is doing - maybe this Kristina Vanszar is his alt - a corp mate - a friend - maybe he is hoping he will not have to pay out the money to someone he doesn't know, whatever the case, it is clear to me that an injustice is being done.
A lot fo ISK are at stake here. I believe this guy is being a total arse-hat by not even giving Khira credit for the part she played in the Jita Protest. If you play EVE and feel the same way, go to his thread >>>> this one <<<< and vote for my friend Khira. He said she could drum up votes. So I am helping her do so. A vote for Khira is a vote for justice. Please go vote for her and show her your support. She deserves to win, the Jita Protest, she started, was a huge success. For this guy to deny Khira her part in this by not listing her as the originator of the Jita Protest(and refuses to even acknowledge it by including her in the list) means that he had no intention of full-filling his on obligation to the contest he started! That is just plain wrong.
Khira Kitamatsu deserves it. She should win. Go vote for her!
BTW RAW23 is not holding the winnings - the winnings are in escrow being held by a player named Grendell, a 3rd party arbitrator that is being used to make sure no funny business insues in this contest. Clearly there is an issue that needs resolved. If Khira wins then Grendall needs to follow through with the choice of the people and give the winnings to the person that wins. Raw23 has said Khira could have write in votes(he doesn't want to give her credit), so no rule is being broken here. I am just helping Khira drum up votes!
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Your friend's "original thread" only has 15 replies. You really think you're fooling anyone by claiming that a 15 reply thread is responsible for a massive jita fly in? Keep dreaming.
Also, it's that guy's isk. He can do whatever he wants with it. There is no injustice here, just a lopsided story.
Oh dear.
Knowing the great affection a lot of EVE players have for any kind of perceived injustice, especially the kind where the wronged party expresses his or her outrage over it, I don't think Khira has much chance on getting the most votes. Also a Jita fly-in is probably the most obvious idea for a protest in EVE ever and done many times before.
Also Raw is a cool guy. Always enjoyed his forum postings.
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Actually there was more than one thread she participated in, a simple serach in the EVE forums will show you this. That was not the only one. She was also in game getting people involved. Not everyone reads the forums. She did what she needed to do in game. Iwould say it worked. Jita Protest was a huge success.
The other person's thread has 12 pages of replies. How do you know that this other person wasn't in game promoting the fly in just as much or more than your friend? Also, an eve search has revealed that this other person also posted in multiple threads on the topic of the jita fly in.
Then prove that the EVE community is not made up of jerks. Khira has the right to protest. I stand beside her. I may not agree with her on how she feels about CCP, but I do agree that she deserves tto win this contest no matter how convoluted it is. There is principle at stake here - I would hope that EVE's community would see that. Look at how they feel about what CCP is doing to EVE and how the protested the outcome of the last tournament. I think the EVE community as a whole is good and in the end will do the right thing and vote for Khira.
Because my friend started it t he day the contest started - not 2 days after! She started her campaign before this other person. That is proof enough. As I said, I was sitting next to her in the very same room and watched her do it. Show me a post from the other person dated before Khira's and I'll concede and I am sure Khira will as well. Until then, Khira is the originator. Prove me wrong.
When you lose a contest, it's not an injustice and it doesn't mean that anyone was screwed over by the people running the contest. It just means you lost. Nothing you have said or shown here indicates that this case is any different or some kind of exception.
If you want to successfully rally for votes for your friend, your best chance is to relay the information accurately and not with all these spin arguments like "People will do the right thing for justice and vote for my freedom loving friend. Go USA."
It's Eve. *yawn*
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Being the originator of a thread that went no where doesn't equate to winning a contest or being the prime mover behind a major event like this. It just means you made a thread and a few people replied to it. It very well could be the case that other, more direct events caused the event to happen, such as other threads, and other promotions in game by whoever.
You're making the leap that her mostly forgettable thread led to the event happening, when you've shown nothing to indicate that.
I am helping her. I posted her side of the story to help drum up votes so she does win. This guy is clearly trying to discredit her. That is wrong in my book, maybe not yours, and I would think others feel as I do. I am taking a chance by asking them to prove it and have them vote for Khira so that she does win...she deserves it.
In any other game I might feel a degree of sympathy for you and your friend. However, this is EVE Online that we are wriiting about. It is a game where lies, cheats, out of game scams, and flat out steals, are all considered legitamate tactics of play. It's a social darwinistic cess pool that rewards immorality and punishes those with good values for being weak...
If you object to this fellow's treatment of your friend then hunt him down and pod him. If you are not competent enough to do so then hire a good team of mercs to cost him a billion credits in damages.
Otherwise, you simply make yourselves targets for the oppurtunistic in posting here. Many would congratulate the fellow for the pleasure had in your forum tears.
Good luck.
Dear Teala,
with all these issues you have with EvE Online during the past years it astonishes me, that you're still there.
I played EvE for the better of the last six years and canceled my acounts the moment I couldn't stand it anymore what CCP and the community was doing. Outraging in hundreds of threads isn't the way to go.
Simply do what has to be done and cancel your accounts, as this would ease your and everyone elses pain.
Best regards.
Hmnm, so now we know who was responsibile for the largely useless (IMO) protests that clogged up Jita and annoyed many of us who felt the entire issue was overblown and unnecessary.
If I was still playing I'd probably consider hiring Merc's to hunt those folks down mercilessly just for messing with my gaming experience.
(The people who had the courage to cancel their subs had more impact than any in game protest did, and even then the effect was negligible there as well)
Edit: I used to play EVE, and sometimes was a jerk, it goes with the territory when you play EVE
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It was like the sit-in protest that use to take place in EQ and other old games. Do you remember those? It was to open up the game companies eyes and to give notice that the players have a voice and needs to be heard. Seriously though. I made this thread on behalf of Khira to help her drum up votes. I really hope she wins. She deserves it. I understand she is planning on giving part of the winnings to EVE University which is a cool thing. So go vote for her if you play EVE.
I remember those. They usually just ended up clogging a server or zone area in EQ and inconveniencing everyone else and didn't accomplish anything.
Good luck, but from my impressions of EVE, you might as well be tilting at windmills. I don't think this is going to go anywhere.
@ Teala, well then, if she's claiming she's responsible for starting the protest, would you mind posting her main characters name and corp?
I lost 2 billion isk in that joke of a protest and I'd like to know who to point the merc corps at for this.
Or was she not responsible?
I promise I have enough isk to make her eve life hell longer than she made mine.
Do not meddle in the affairs of industrialists, for we are quick to anger....
An injustice in EVE? How unheard of.
Nvm, i forgot to check the dates.
Yeah, your friend was indeed cheated off her prize, altho apparently whoever gets more votes wins.
So in the end and counting the votes , she still has a good chance of winning.
I would vote her but i am not sure if my inactive sub allows me to.
Rawr.
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To quote that peerless space Captain, Zapp Brannigan:
"I've never heard such a shocking injustice that I cared so little about"
Give me liberty or give me lasers
Yeah I hate to say it Teala (and I certainly appreciate the effort you're making for your friend), but this is the reality of life in EvE... I'm sure as a player, you realize that "injustice" is basically a day-in, day-out very normal occurrence in EvE. Many have quit over it. Unfortunately your friend is now experiencing the brutal reality of EvE first hand... But good luck!
I'd say the first person that fired on the gate should get the prize.
It wasn't the protest that got media attention, it was the riot.
Who cares who started wat. That protest wasnt over ingame money. It was over ccp's stupidity. We did not support your little contest we went to war with ccp. get it straight. and not 1 person started it. the community did as whole and for 23 hours a day everyday we held are grounds.
Huh? Did you read the OP's thread?
We need just a few more votes to make sure this happens. Khira has said she'll gladly donate part of the proceeds to EVE University. It also turns out that this Kristina Vansar has actually quit the game. So if she wins the money will go to an inactive account that may never be played again. At least this way part of the money will go to a good cause. So please go cast your votes. A vote cast for Khira is also a vota cast for EVE University.
Oh and RAW23 is allowing people to cast votes with their alts. So feel free to cast votes with your alts! We can win this and make sure justice prevails. Come on pilots...prove that EVE has good players at heart and do the right thing. Vote for Khira!