idk why you came up with this question... i havent had any community problems in WoW in over 5 realms i have rolled toons on... nor DDO although i didnt play DDO for long... cant say about EQ1 community cos i never played it and will never do it... had enough with EQ2 funky game mechanics
He isn't bitching about anything except the anti-WoW attitude on this website. He seems to like DDO and hates EQ1, I thought EQ1 was a steaming pile of refuse myself.
We had the typical anti-WoW stupidity on an earlier post and now we all get to bash Sony and EQ, DDO is fine and a lot more like WoW. In other words it is a success and not a failure like Sony's crappy line up of crappy games.
By your name it seems you are on the wrong site, why is it any mention of EQ gets the steaming refuse from Sony all worked up? I hate EQ and SOE and make no mistake, your games suck.
DDO was reborn when they went free to play; SOE is to STUPID to do anything but push players away. Except for a few rapid idiot fans who spend all their time here defending the SOE line up of flops. How about you guys get SOE to do something right? GET SOME PLAYERS BY GOING FREE TO PLAY ON THEIR WHOLE LINE UP!
DDO is making money again and is a great game, I still won't play EQ due to the lack of instancing I experienced when I played. I could care less now what has been done, it is to little to late, lol.
DDO has nothing to do with EQ or WoW, since some fool pro-SOE lackey posted his anti-WoW rant on a DDO area I responded. I choose to bash EQ in direct response to his anti-WoW stance. I said so earlier. Of course SOE has a bunch of whiny cry babies who immediately defend their crap. SOE is well known for their devs being here, and even Brad the fool (who listened to the EQ1 lackeys) watched this site for Vantard.
The players in DDO are like DDO players and have no relationship to WoW or EQ.
I have had no problems in DDO, EQ1 had a bunch of d.cks, and I had no problem on WoW except for reporting one guy who was swiftly banned.
Maybe any jerks in DDO came from EQ2!
If you have any questions please ask. I have moved on to WoW from eq and no longer have any desire to play a dead game. Thank you. (posted by another selling his account in EQ1)
Anytime a new player asks a question; some snotty elitist comes up with "go to the DDO website n00b".
Say whaaaaaaat?
Anyways, I haven't touched EQ1, so I can't attest to how friendly people were to "noobs", but in every MMO I have played (DAoC, WAR, WoW, LotRO, etc, etc, etc), there's always a few "d**ks in the barrel". These are the types of people that respond with telling you to look it up (in a not-so-polite manner), "your mother" remarks, etc. They are to be ignored.
Now, that's not to say reading up on a games features and how-to's isn't a good idea, because it is, and if someone responds (politely of course, and not just trying to be an "elitist" douche) with a link, or where to look online, that's as good as them telling you directly, but saves them time, and gives you more information than they could in the chat box probably.
I play DDO, you run around defending EQ2. I posted to bash the guy posting about WoW here, I expected trash from EQ to post their typical defense of the indefensable EQ, btw did SOE lose your account info again, including some customers CC and bank info?
Face it..EQ2 sucks..the players playing EQ2 suck...this is a DDO site...Evergarbage players have a burning need to explain why their game doesn't suck...EQ1 and EQ2 still suck; hence no players.
It took me a whooping 6 days to level to 63rd with 10AA's in supposedly "hard" EQ1...face it EQ1 and EQ2 are no harder than WoW. It takes about 30 hours to get max level in DDO; it is no harder than WoW.
SOE launches a new game...DDO loses no players...Blizzard launches a new game, crap no players...again and we went f2p now what?
If you have any questions please ask. I have moved on to WoW from eq and no longer have any desire to play a dead game. Thank you. (posted by another selling his account in EQ1)
Anytime a new player asks a question; some snotty elitist comes up with "go to the DDO website n00b". Reminds me of EQ1 where the elitist ruined the game. If you don't have this or that build you are gimp is another one. Like the in fighting in EQ1 where the tank classes, especially the sissy paladins called for (and got) warrior nerfs.
Never had this problem with EQ1..............are u sure you are not confusing it for WoW?
From what I see the OP is the one bashing EQ,who plays the game with the worst community ever (wow)
i agree, unless you consider league of legends to be in the discussion, in which case the wow community are the peace corps compared to the LoL community :0
RIP Ribbitribbitt you are missed, kid.
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Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired signifies, in the final sense, a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and not clothed.
I have never had any experience in DDO or EQ1 that the OP mentioned. In fact, I found just the opposite. The community was very helpful when asking questions and finding which places I needed to go hunt next. I've been gifted items for a newly built ranger in DDO and gifted stacks of wands and money to buy them with a new cleric on a new server when I went back.
In EQ1 within' a couple of hours of creating my toon I was taken, by a higher level human paladin, to the armor quest NPC for my Cleric, offered a spot in the guild, and received a full set of buffs to make it easier for me. At level 9 I was taken by a halfling to Befallen, despite the fact that I was a complete noob to the game and didn't know where or what a Befallen even was. At level 45 when it was time for me to get my temperence quest I remember I was amazed at the community coming together and announcing in ooc what pages where laying on specific mobs at certain boats.
Every game has its share of asshats and I suppose I was fortunate enough to not encounter any in either game. My experience with WoW has proven to be the opposite. However, I do understand that with a larger population you will have a larger amount of asshats. And where there is one asshat another will follow, then the two of them will encourage other asshats, and so on and so on. After a while you have a wasted global chat channel. It is unfortunate but the success of WoW is the contributing factor to one of the larger negative aspects of the game, which is its community.
*sigh* I wish I was one of the lucky ones to find a good guild in WoW. However, despite playing on 6 different servers and a myriad of guilds I was only able to get into a large guild of none (where nobody speaks to one another) or guild full of asshattery and l33tspeak.
**Edited to add:
After reading the rest of the OPs posts and his admission to his own form of asshattery here, we see the quality community that WoW has provided for us. Sometimes I feel sorry for the people that feel the need to come here and post what they post. What holes in their lives do they try to fill by anonomously posting provoking text? It's a video game forum. . . What little these people must have accomplished in their real lives to make themselves feel better coming here and "trolling" others online. See, now I feel sorry for the OP =/
We are to busy ignoring SOE's sad sack lineup to ignore me.
Now that the fools defending SOE are gone, DDO is a great game. I have had no problems grouping with fairly new people if I try, raiding with my guild, or soloing. What is this crap about a bad community? This game has no relation to SOE or Blizzards games. I have never met anyone like the pro-SOE crowd in DDO or like the anti-Blizzard ranters here in DDO.
As a player of DDO from the beginning I can tell you that there are problems in the community like any other game. Once DDO went free to play that attracted the kind of people who make accounts to go into chat and spew hate and racist comments. You have people who talk down to new players and you have plenty of helpful good people.
Many people who play DDO play WoW or EQ as well. It is not like playing DDO keeps you from other games.
So, I was bored reading through these flames and ran across several of Naoh D's posts. On his signature pic, he has a Swastika. These can be viewed under the recent "shitlist" and "favorite songs" flames. WTF is wrong with you, Naoh? How truly intolerant, ignorant, and close-minded. Think you are being funny? I think not. Nor do I think that any other Jewish or racism-hating players will. You are your fellow anti-Semites truly disgust me. This is my first post on flameboards, so please don't try and flip this around on me.
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Ouabain, 57 enchanter
Post from the Tunare server where I was playing for a while, sure everyone was nice e nice and no bad people in EQ. This guy liked to post with a swastika and post anti-semantic rants, THIS WAS IN EVERQUEST. We also had an incident where two characters with racists names dueled so the whole server could see their stupidity. SOE finally tightened the naming a few months later, but WoW or DDO will ban you for less.
If you have any questions please ask. I have moved on to WoW from eq and no longer have any desire to play a dead game. Thank you. (posted by another selling his account in EQ1)
Every game has jerks in it, and EQ was just as bad as WoW. the same players are in DDO and unless the companies actively ban them you will be gaming with them forever.
The point is, quit bashing WoW when you are a SOE fanboi or I will dig in and post all the "niceties" that go on in EQ here. I can go to any EQ server website and pull up all the niceties of server politics. It is all epeens, biggotry, and raid guilds demanding 6 day a week raiding or you can't belong.
DDO has nothing like that at all, the raiding is 12 man max.
If you have any questions please ask. I have moved on to WoW from eq and no longer have any desire to play a dead game. Thank you. (posted by another selling his account in EQ1)
The point is, quit bashing WoW when you are a SOE fanboi or I will dig in and post all the "niceties" that go on in EQ here. I can go to any EQ server website and pull up all the niceties of server politics. It is all epeens, biggotry, and raid guilds demanding 6 day a week raiding or you can't belong.
DDO has nothing like that at all, the raiding is 12 man max.
You take yourself way too seriously.
DDO has people just like the ones you say are not there. I know I played with them in multiple games including DDO. The reason so few have raid schedules like that is almost all the people like that left because DDO has such limited content and is completed quite easily.
I can never wrap my head around how pointing someone in the direction of the information they desire, is elitist. Elitist are those that think they can't learn anything from other players, or those that feel they are so special that they can't group with those with lesser gear/knowledge.
If you are in my group, I'll give you advice and try to help. But hey, I want to enjoy my play time, not hold you hand and if you aren't directly involved with the things other folks are doing, go spend your own time researching your class or the game mechanics. Or learn from your own mistakes and grow as a character and player. Only the lazy rely on others to get the information they need to succeed.
As for EQ/WoW/DDO arguement: EQ is the reason all these other games are even here. It brought MMO's into the spotlight. WoW would have still sold millions even without EQ, though nobody knows what it's longevity would have been had it not had the list of MMO's, including EQ, that it fed all it's programming around. DDO on the other hand, is not better, nor worse. It's a niche game, targeting a niche group.
I can never wrap my head around how pointing someone in the direction of the information they desire, is elitist. Elitist are those that think they can't learn anything from other players, or those that feel they are so special that they can't group with those with lesser gear/knowledge.
If you are in my group, I'll give you advice and try to help. But hey, I want to enjoy my play time, not hold you hand and if you aren't directly involved with the things other folks are doing, go spend your own time researching your class or the game mechanics. Or learn from your own mistakes and grow as a character and player. Only the lazy rely on others to get the information they need to succeed.
As for EQ/WoW/DDO arguement: EQ is the reason all these other games are even here. It brought MMO's into the spotlight. WoW would have still sold millions even without EQ, though nobody knows what it's longevity would have been had it not had the list of MMO's, including EQ, that it fed all it's programming around. DDO on the other hand, is not better, nor worse. It's a niche game, targeting a niche group.
There is definately a time and place when pointing people to the official forums or the Wiki is the single best answer to give. Sometimes people ask a question that could take hours to give the answers to if you wanted to get deep involved. To me giving people those resources is not elitist or snobby. I also think that telling people about map sites for the game is a great idea. When people always where is X, giving them the power to find it for themself is the right way to go.
As for MMOs being here because of EQ, sorry but UO did that first.
Nope, never met anyone like that in EQ1, never even saw it in channels, not that I can remember. Now WoW public channels are CHOKED with those type of people, hence the primary reason I don;t play WoW, the terrible community. I found some good people but they are far outweighed by jerks.
I have seen the rare occasion where someone will ask a geuinely good question and catch crap, but they usually also get help and only one person is doing the crap throwing. It is frustrating when people ask the most basic questions in public channels that can EASILY be found by ANY searching. More of a hate for people that refuse to do their own research or figure things out on their own.
Also level 50? Way to post something from about 10 years ago. As if one person posting their trolling in a game counter acts the sheer volume of BS the WoW community puts out.
I played EQ1 and WoW; I met far more jerks in EQ than I ever did in WoW. I believe fully in instancing, I don't want anyone not in my group/guild in the zone with me after EQ1.
I can post play time requirements for guilds in WoW and EQ1 and anyone can look them up, far more elitist jerks in EQ1 that require stupid amounts of playtime for a boring old game.
Just a theory here, which could be completely wrong... but maybe the experiences are different because back in the EQ1 days, the MMORPG genre was still pretty new, and established norms for acceptable behavior (i.e. not griefing) weren't really established yet. On the other hand, fast-forward 10 years, and griefing has receded because most players (and GMs) just won't tolerate it, and it will get you banned.
For the record, the only time I've been truly "griefed" in 10 years of MMO's was in WoW. I was on an airship of some sort traveling as I recall, some guy challened me to a duel to "test something", I was being momentarily naive and accepted, and he used a skill that blasted me off of the airship... to my death... irritating. Obviously I learned my lesson, but interestingly enough this was the only attempt I've ever been party to. I suppose I've been lucky!
Nope, never met anyone like that in EQ1, never even saw it in channels, not that I can remember. Now WoW public channels are CHOKED with those type of people, hence the primary reason I don;t play WoW, the terrible community. I found some good people but they are far outweighed by jerks.
I have seen the rare occasion where someone will ask a geuinely good question and catch crap, but they usually also get help and only one person is doing the crap throwing. It is frustrating when people ask the most basic questions in public channels that can EASILY be found by ANY searching. More of a hate for people that refuse to do their own research or figure things out on their own.
Also level 50? Way to post something from about 10 years ago. As if one person posting their trolling in a game counter acts the sheer volume of BS the WoW community puts out.
I played EQ1 and WoW; I met far more jerks in EQ than I ever did in WoW. I believe fully in instancing, I don't want anyone not in my group/guild in the zone with me after EQ1.
I can post play time requirements for guilds in WoW and EQ1 and anyone can look them up, far more elitist jerks in EQ1 that require stupid amounts of playtime for a boring old game.
Just a theory here, which could be completely wrong... but maybe the experiences are different because back in the EQ1 days, the MMORPG genre was still pretty new, and established norms for acceptable behavior (i.e. not griefing) weren't really established yet. On the other hand, fast-forward 10 years, and griefing has receded because most players (and GMs) just won't tolerate it, and it will get you banned.
For the record, the only time I've been truly "griefed" in 10 years of MMO's was in WoW. I was on an airship of some sort traveling as I recall, some guy challened me to a duel to "test something", I was being momentarily naive and accepted, and he used a skill that blasted me off of the airship... to my death... irritating. Obviously I learned my lesson, but interestingly enough this was the only attempt I've ever been party to. I suppose I've been lucky!
I would have to agree with you that the early days had a different feel to griefing and such. There was a lot more scams because people were more gullible. Now in game GMs and game makers have come to understand that being taken advantage of or griefed leads to cancelled subs and less money.
This post is to counter the stupidity of the continual WoW bashing here. Here is an ACTUAL post by an Everquest player...
That was my favorite pastime.
Is the Oasis of Marr, you had a lake in the middle. In the middle of the lake was a tower with 8 spectres in it, all of them around lvl 40 or so. Now, this was an lvl 20 ish zone, so they would mean instant death for pretty much everyone.
Agro in EQ is slightly different, in so much that if a mob it chasing someone and goes past you, you will also end up on the agro list.
As soon as I hit 50 I started causing as much grief as possible.
I was a wood elf ranger, I would cast Levitate (so I could run across the water) and Wolf form (50% speed increase) meaning the mobs couldn’t catch me.
I would run over to the mobs, agro them all and head to the land. As soon as I got far enough from them I would cast Invisibility (the mobs could still see me but players couldn’t) and pull them through every single group of players I could find.
I think my best total was about 60 deaths.
Great fun!
Griefing on EQ would get you banned by a GM on a PvE server. Deliberate griefing was rare.
However, I have read similar posts where players used NPC's for their PvP. I do not know what the policy was for PvP servers. Players were very innovative.
Look up "Fansy the Bard" stories for PvP servers where Fansy used npcs against people. Remember "GO GO GOOD GUYS!"
For a good laugh google Fansy the Bard and read his story, it is to funny.
If you have any questions please ask. I have moved on to WoW from eq and no longer have any desire to play a dead game. Thank you. (posted by another selling his account in EQ1)
I play EQ2 atm and i cant understand in what way i suck
i play DDO also the days when me and my RL Friends find matching time together (Almost as an PnP)
i enjoy both of them. and since i always in a voice channel i never read the chat window anyway so people can write what the hell they want there i dont care.
But in general MMO genre has degreed alot there are to many greedy companies programming out trash now adays hoping to make a buck.
UO was here before that turd EQ and WoW is more UO than most here will admit.
D&D is where DDO went, I just wish they used 1st or 2nd edition rules.
If you have any questions please ask. I have moved on to WoW from eq and no longer have any desire to play a dead game. Thank you. (posted by another selling his account in EQ1)
UO was here before that turd EQ and WoW is more UO than most here will admit.
D&D is where DDO went, I just wish they used 1st or 2nd edition rules.
Why would they have used such old rules?
As a long time player of UO I found very little in WOW that reminded me of UO at all. That is probably why I did not even stay the free 10 days in WOW when I did try it.
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idk why you came up with this question... i havent had any community problems in WoW in over 5 realms i have rolled toons on... nor DDO although i didnt play DDO for long... cant say about EQ1 community cos i never played it and will never do it... had enough with EQ2 funky game mechanics
I dont know what this guy is bitching about telling them to go to the website should answer all his questions he just wants someone to hold his hand.
He isn't bitching about anything except the anti-WoW attitude on this website. He seems to like DDO and hates EQ1, I thought EQ1 was a steaming pile of refuse myself.
We had the typical anti-WoW stupidity on an earlier post and now we all get to bash Sony and EQ, DDO is fine and a lot more like WoW. In other words it is a success and not a failure like Sony's crappy line up of crappy games.
By your name it seems you are on the wrong site, why is it any mention of EQ gets the steaming refuse from Sony all worked up? I hate EQ and SOE and make no mistake, your games suck.
DDO was reborn when they went free to play; SOE is to STUPID to do anything but push players away. Except for a few rapid idiot fans who spend all their time here defending the SOE line up of flops. How about you guys get SOE to do something right? GET SOME PLAYERS BY GOING FREE TO PLAY ON THEIR WHOLE LINE UP!
DDO is making money again and is a great game, I still won't play EQ due to the lack of instancing I experienced when I played. I could care less now what has been done, it is to little to late, lol.
DDO has nothing to do with EQ or WoW, since some fool pro-SOE lackey posted his anti-WoW rant on a DDO area I responded. I choose to bash EQ in direct response to his anti-WoW stance. I said so earlier. Of course SOE has a bunch of whiny cry babies who immediately defend their crap. SOE is well known for their devs being here, and even Brad the fool (who listened to the EQ1 lackeys) watched this site for Vantard.
The players in DDO are like DDO players and have no relationship to WoW or EQ.
I have had no problems in DDO, EQ1 had a bunch of d.cks, and I had no problem on WoW except for reporting one guy who was swiftly banned.
Maybe any jerks in DDO came from EQ2!
If you have any questions please ask. I have moved on to WoW from eq and no longer have any desire to play a dead game. Thank you. (posted by another selling his account in EQ1)
Say whaaaaaaat?
Anyways, I haven't touched EQ1, so I can't attest to how friendly people were to "noobs", but in every MMO I have played (DAoC, WAR, WoW, LotRO, etc, etc, etc), there's always a few "d**ks in the barrel". These are the types of people that respond with telling you to look it up (in a not-so-polite manner), "your mother" remarks, etc. They are to be ignored.
Now, that's not to say reading up on a games features and how-to's isn't a good idea, because it is, and if someone responds (politely of course, and not just trying to be an "elitist" douche) with a link, or where to look online, that's as good as them telling you directly, but saves them time, and gives you more information than they could in the chat box probably.
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I play DDO, you run around defending EQ2. I posted to bash the guy posting about WoW here, I expected trash from EQ to post their typical defense of the indefensable EQ, btw did SOE lose your account info again, including some customers CC and bank info?
Face it..EQ2 sucks..the players playing EQ2 suck...this is a DDO site...Evergarbage players have a burning need to explain why their game doesn't suck...EQ1 and EQ2 still suck; hence no players.
It took me a whooping 6 days to level to 63rd with 10AA's in supposedly "hard" EQ1...face it EQ1 and EQ2 are no harder than WoW. It takes about 30 hours to get max level in DDO; it is no harder than WoW.
SOE launches a new game...DDO loses no players...Blizzard launches a new game, crap no players...again and we went f2p now what?
If you have any questions please ask. I have moved on to WoW from eq and no longer have any desire to play a dead game. Thank you. (posted by another selling his account in EQ1)
Never had this problem with EQ1..............are u sure you are not confusing it for WoW?
i agree, unless you consider league of legends to be in the discussion, in which case the wow community are the peace corps compared to the LoL community :0
RIP Ribbitribbitt you are missed, kid.
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I have never had any experience in DDO or EQ1 that the OP mentioned. In fact, I found just the opposite. The community was very helpful when asking questions and finding which places I needed to go hunt next. I've been gifted items for a newly built ranger in DDO and gifted stacks of wands and money to buy them with a new cleric on a new server when I went back.
In EQ1 within' a couple of hours of creating my toon I was taken, by a higher level human paladin, to the armor quest NPC for my Cleric, offered a spot in the guild, and received a full set of buffs to make it easier for me. At level 9 I was taken by a halfling to Befallen, despite the fact that I was a complete noob to the game and didn't know where or what a Befallen even was. At level 45 when it was time for me to get my temperence quest I remember I was amazed at the community coming together and announcing in ooc what pages where laying on specific mobs at certain boats.
Every game has its share of asshats and I suppose I was fortunate enough to not encounter any in either game. My experience with WoW has proven to be the opposite. However, I do understand that with a larger population you will have a larger amount of asshats. And where there is one asshat another will follow, then the two of them will encourage other asshats, and so on and so on. After a while you have a wasted global chat channel. It is unfortunate but the success of WoW is the contributing factor to one of the larger negative aspects of the game, which is its community.
*sigh* I wish I was one of the lucky ones to find a good guild in WoW. However, despite playing on 6 different servers and a myriad of guilds I was only able to get into a large guild of none (where nobody speaks to one another) or guild full of asshattery and l33tspeak.
**Edited to add:
After reading the rest of the OPs posts and his admission to his own form of asshattery here, we see the quality community that WoW has provided for us. Sometimes I feel sorry for the people that feel the need to come here and post what they post. What holes in their lives do they try to fill by anonomously posting provoking text? It's a video game forum. . . What little these people must have accomplished in their real lives to make themselves feel better coming here and "trolling" others online. See, now I feel sorry for the OP =/
As a player of DDO from the beginning I can tell you that there are problems in the community like any other game. Once DDO went free to play that attracted the kind of people who make accounts to go into chat and spew hate and racist comments. You have people who talk down to new players and you have plenty of helpful good people.
Many people who play DDO play WoW or EQ as well. It is not like playing DDO keeps you from other games.
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So, I was bored reading through these flames and ran across several of Naoh D's posts. On his signature pic, he has a Swastika. These can be viewed under the recent "shitlist" and "favorite songs" flames. WTF is wrong with you, Naoh? How truly intolerant, ignorant, and close-minded. Think you are being funny? I think not. Nor do I think that any other Jewish or racism-hating players will. You are your fellow anti-Semites truly disgust me. This is my first post on flameboards, so please don't try and flip this around on me.
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Ouabain, 57 enchanter
Post from the Tunare server where I was playing for a while, sure everyone was nice e nice and no bad people in EQ. This guy liked to post with a swastika and post anti-semantic rants, THIS WAS IN EVERQUEST. We also had an incident where two characters with racists names dueled so the whole server could see their stupidity. SOE finally tightened the naming a few months later, but WoW or DDO will ban you for less.
If you have any questions please ask. I have moved on to WoW from eq and no longer have any desire to play a dead game. Thank you. (posted by another selling his account in EQ1)
Is there a point to all of this ?
Every game has jerks in it, and EQ was just as bad as WoW. the same players are in DDO and unless the companies actively ban them you will be gaming with them forever.
The point is, quit bashing WoW when you are a SOE fanboi or I will dig in and post all the "niceties" that go on in EQ here. I can go to any EQ server website and pull up all the niceties of server politics. It is all epeens, biggotry, and raid guilds demanding 6 day a week raiding or you can't belong.
DDO has nothing like that at all, the raiding is 12 man max.
If you have any questions please ask. I have moved on to WoW from eq and no longer have any desire to play a dead game. Thank you. (posted by another selling his account in EQ1)
You take yourself way too seriously.
DDO has people just like the ones you say are not there. I know I played with them in multiple games including DDO. The reason so few have raid schedules like that is almost all the people like that left because DDO has such limited content and is completed quite easily.
This thread is a definition of irony.
Or lazy elitist As*hats who complain about lazy elitist As*hats.
I can never wrap my head around how pointing someone in the direction of the information they desire, is elitist. Elitist are those that think they can't learn anything from other players, or those that feel they are so special that they can't group with those with lesser gear/knowledge.
If you are in my group, I'll give you advice and try to help. But hey, I want to enjoy my play time, not hold you hand and if you aren't directly involved with the things other folks are doing, go spend your own time researching your class or the game mechanics. Or learn from your own mistakes and grow as a character and player. Only the lazy rely on others to get the information they need to succeed.
As for EQ/WoW/DDO arguement: EQ is the reason all these other games are even here. It brought MMO's into the spotlight. WoW would have still sold millions even without EQ, though nobody knows what it's longevity would have been had it not had the list of MMO's, including EQ, that it fed all it's programming around. DDO on the other hand, is not better, nor worse. It's a niche game, targeting a niche group.
There is definately a time and place when pointing people to the official forums or the Wiki is the single best answer to give. Sometimes people ask a question that could take hours to give the answers to if you wanted to get deep involved. To me giving people those resources is not elitist or snobby. I also think that telling people about map sites for the game is a great idea. When people always where is X, giving them the power to find it for themself is the right way to go.
As for MMOs being here because of EQ, sorry but UO did that first.
Just a theory here, which could be completely wrong... but maybe the experiences are different because back in the EQ1 days, the MMORPG genre was still pretty new, and established norms for acceptable behavior (i.e. not griefing) weren't really established yet. On the other hand, fast-forward 10 years, and griefing has receded because most players (and GMs) just won't tolerate it, and it will get you banned.
For the record, the only time I've been truly "griefed" in 10 years of MMO's was in WoW. I was on an airship of some sort traveling as I recall, some guy challened me to a duel to "test something", I was being momentarily naive and accepted, and he used a skill that blasted me off of the airship... to my death... irritating. Obviously I learned my lesson, but interestingly enough this was the only attempt I've ever been party to. I suppose I've been lucky!
I would have to agree with you that the early days had a different feel to griefing and such. There was a lot more scams because people were more gullible. Now in game GMs and game makers have come to understand that being taken advantage of or griefed leads to cancelled subs and less money.
Griefing on EQ would get you banned by a GM on a PvE server. Deliberate griefing was rare.
However, I have read similar posts where players used NPC's for their PvP. I do not know what the policy was for PvP servers. Players were very innovative.
Look up "Fansy the Bard" stories for PvP servers where Fansy used npcs against people. Remember "GO GO GOOD GUYS!"
For a good laugh google Fansy the Bard and read his story, it is to funny.
If you have any questions please ask. I have moved on to WoW from eq and no longer have any desire to play a dead game. Thank you. (posted by another selling his account in EQ1)
I play EQ2 atm and i cant understand in what way i suck
i play DDO also the days when me and my RL Friends find matching time together (Almost as an PnP)
i enjoy both of them. and since i always in a voice channel i never read the chat window anyway so people can write what the hell they want there i dont care.
But in general MMO genre has degreed alot there are to many greedy companies programming out trash now adays hoping to make a buck.
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UO was here before that turd EQ and WoW is more UO than most here will admit.
D&D is where DDO went, I just wish they used 1st or 2nd edition rules.
If you have any questions please ask. I have moved on to WoW from eq and no longer have any desire to play a dead game. Thank you. (posted by another selling his account in EQ1)
Why would they have used such old rules?
As a long time player of UO I found very little in WOW that reminded me of UO at all. That is probably why I did not even stay the free 10 days in WOW when I did try it.