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What if SWtoR fails?
Zefire
Member Posts: 676
I wanted to know what u guys think about swtor.
Everyone has seen that the last mmos were full of promises full of advertisment and in the end every last one of those junks failed the mmo player base.If not all them most of the players were dissapointed.
FFxiv was a fail,Dcuo was good but very very sort with lack of content and customization and finally rift was moderate with bad optimiztion in the graphics meaning that aa and af were ultra unoptimized.Moreover the game had a lot of other flaws plus it was very boring and not fun at all.
All these games were promised to their gamers base that we are going to do magic.The result was the opposite.
Now we have bioware that they have made very nice games although da2 was a bit of fail in comparison to dao.
I watched some videos from comic con and some Bioware people were making big promises about swtor and if it was not that enough they said we pushed the release date back because ""we do not realeasing crap"".After hearing this i remembered what other studios had say to the crowd about their game and how badly failed.
What if Bioware is full of fake promises too.Are u ever going to trust them on an mmo or for singleplayer games?
And if Swtor fails then what games are u going to look forward to.I think ill stick with diablo 3 and maybe tera.
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FFXIV was a fail like FFXI was a fail, but just like FFXI it will be redeemed in about a year or two. Just like FFXI it was released maybe 2 years premature, so what we got was a mere shadow of what the game really is going to be. But nevermind that, if SWTOR fails... I imagine it will then be forgotten about, because unlike FFXIV it's fanbase is not as loyal. I imagine the games fanbase is more like DC so it will be quickly dismissed. If it does fail it does not effect me because I will not be playing it, instead I'll be playing GW2 and Skyrim
The light at the end of the tunnel might be an oncoming train... well promises... guess its gonna be a nice starwars theme park. I just wonder how end-game experience will be like: Long- Term- Fascinator or wow/rift/etc pve/pvp gear grinder?
If Swtor fails or not i will definatly give another King of Promises Distributor "Funcom" a chance with their upcoming "The secret World".
Kind Regards...
Final Fantasy's fanbase is more loyal....than Star Wars?!
IF bioware manages to "fail" it be a mayor blow for the mmo scene but might actualy be a good one in the long run, SW:TOR is in its very basic just your next themepark mmo, the last years we all seen themeparks fail due to the limmets it offer rather then the bugs,ui, and stability.
I highly doubt SW:TOR would fail but lest asume it would, there would be a mayor critical look from investors into all games that go the same road. they still would do single player games , they dont know lots of the gaming market but investors aint stupit and know that a single player game aint a MMO and still can cash in big time.
what you would see after a cooldown time is a far bigger intrest into game that give more player freedom, its bin made clear whit the "fail" of the lastest branches in themepark mmo's they contantly do not as well as they hoped for (again assuming theoretical that the new themeparks will fail) but investors will still see the huge potentinal of cashing in.
But SW:TOR will not "fail" the amound of video's ,info on the game, the good reviews from the media and some folks I just happen to know (yea the usual friend of a friend who knows shade person ) tells me the game will do well. there is just one point the game might severly lacking.
social interaction and roleplay.
how much have any of you seen of the suposed cantina's , hangout spots, did you know that worlds themself are instanced ala AOC (tatooine1, tatooine2,tatooine3) kinda like a player cap per planet. how robust is the LFG system?
SW:TOR seems to be shaping to a great if not amazing story mode multiplayer game that I will enjoy but probaly would have trouble whit calling a "true" mmo due to the seemingly lack of social interaction Possibilities.
hypotheticaly speaking, if swtor "failed", and here failure can mean a matter of degrees, then a few things would happen:
First, bioware would go bye bye. EA buys studios and then destroys them. It makes no buisness sense, but thats what they do; and they did it most recently with Mythic. As long as bioware cranks out the hits they should be safe..but we're talking about a very expensive (and hypothetical) failure here.
Second, other developers/publishers would shy away from making mmos and probably start flocking towards making casual facebook games (which is already happening to some degree).
Thrid, developers that would stay in the mmo space will view swtor as a cautionary tale. They will observe it with their blinders on and learn all the wrong lessons. And that point deserves to be emphasized - they would not learn any real lessons from it, they would completely misconstrue the entire debacle.
You make it sound like Star Wars The Old Republic is the be all and the end all of the MMO genre. It's not. If it fails to live up to what ever arbitrary way people measure succes then everybody will just move on. It has been like this before SWTOR and it will be like that after SWTOR.
All I can say is that judging by the trailers I've seen of SWTOR, their money would be better spent making full length feature films using that style. I was thoroughly entertained for the ~2 minutes per trailer. They were all well animated, and the story arc in them was solid. I would be quite thrilled if there were longer animated movies that would give me entertainment for 1-2 hours. I would pay to see them.
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That being said, I will be surprised if it's a major failure like WAR.
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Personally, I still have faith in BioWare since they have not disappointed me yet (Yes, I even like DA2 though I do admit it is not their best title). So for me your "What if SWTOR fails?" is the same as asking "What if WoW gets taken out of the top subscription MMO slot by a $1 million dollar brouser game?" . . . just not going to happen.
"If half of what you tell me is a lie, how can I believe any of it?"
i doubt SW tor will fail completely if it does at all, since it has a familiar IP (star wars). A lot of people i know will just play it because it's star wars and not even care about it being an mmo and i'm pretty sure there's more people like that out there.
As for "trust" and "promises"; i don't believe in that sort of thing when it's about a company, for me in the end all that matters is if i like the game or not. A company with a bad record might still surprise someone with a game they do like or even worship as i have seen some do. Ofcourse it's also true the other way around but thats not the point.
Also this may sound a bit crude to some but you can trust any company you like but in the very end however all that matters for the company is your money.
If i don't like SW: TOR then i will probably be playing all the other games that are coming out which i will be missing when i do like SW:TOR, thats pretty much the same as what i'm doing now.
No one will ever make an MMO again.
Really IDK. I don't think it's gonna be as big of a success as WoW, but I don't think it's gonna fail at WARs level or DCO or something.
If swtor fails EA will be forced to liqudate much of bioware to make up for the money they sank into the game. They may leave the Mass Effect team but i woulnt expect DA3 anytime soon. When a company sinks nearly a quarter billion dollars into a project it turns into a make or break. EA sucked a ton of money from RTW for the flop that was apb not to mention Crackdown 2 bombed but bioware has made star wars games like this in the past. They are just adding multiplayer and a more open universe calm down im sure it will be find.
From business sense there is no way for this mammoth to fail. It will make tons of money for Bioware and EA... There is no question about it. It can however fail in the eyes of the MMO consumer, the players. I don't think Bioware has promised us to demolish all other MMOs in the world and nations and religions in one single blow. They have promised us to give a long Kotor experience within an MMO mold that has an emphasis on the story of your character. I am not expecting anything else and neither should you. The game mechanics will probably offer little difference from your past experiences and it will most likely seem like same-old-same-old...
What are my concerns here, and the possible failure of this game. EA is known to pull the plug quite easily. So if TOR fails to deliver a good game with good retention rates, EA could quite easily pull the plug on it. They won't be dismantling Bioware for this, as even this game will make them money and that Bioware team has other things going for it than this. You might recall certain single player games that have been quite huge hits in the past couple of years. Yes, I'm talking about the Mass Effect and Dragon Age series. The failure could be that SWToR is online for a short period of time.
And in any case, the game will make a profit. If enough to keep it alive in the long run, remains to be seen, but the invested money is quite safe. Unless the internet suddenly crashes and burns hard in the next month or two...
I love the story apporach... It is the single thing that made me pre-order it already. I have played my share of MMO games and I am in no confused state that this would be something totally revolutionary because Bioware hasn't promised that and the screenshots and gameplay videos we've seen have shown that. People do have weird expectations though and I'm quite sure that a week into SWTOR live game, there is a hugh chunk of this fan base ready to call it done, stick a fork in it. I probably won't be among them. At least that's what I'm hoping...
WOW is only a success right now because everything else isnt...Wow has lost much of that flare that made it what it is today...a sad mundane game that caters the slightest little QQ about things being to hard or the "casual" gamer not getting to the end game like the hardcore players do. Dont get me wrong i have some wonderfull memories in wow, but the game just seems past its experation and even tho TOR is what ppl are saying to be wow with a Star wars skin...Whats wrong with that?
If SW:TOR fails then heads will roll. And it will be the most expensive fail to date i think.
I dont think it matters if it's mmo or singleplayer, it will still be a quality game from Bioware. Other thing is if it will be everyone's idea of how a fun themepark mmo should work. At the very least we get quality Kotor style stories with possibility to play them with friends, if the mmo side works well on top of that even half decently I'd say it's miles away from fail then.
But my thoughts are irrelevant, few weeks into launch will tell a lot more than a hater, fan, or something between in mmorpg com forums
Ps. In case of failure what games I'm looking forward to? Well first of all I'm sure I play the class stories for a couple of months in any case in TOR. After that, if there's not the kind of mmo elements I'd like (I'm not sticking for a gear squirrel wheel only), I'll propably have to wait a few years for TSW since I'm kinda burned out on fantasy mmorpgs for now. Oh and, even if it's fantasy GW2 is a must try anyway. Perhaps some singleplayers, enjoying my time in New Vegas atm.
The economy will crash, people will be without homes, people will die of hunger, fire will rain from the sky, seas shall boil, everyone will start nuking each other, panic in the streets, human sacrifices to try to help it work out.. seriously though, who cares if it fails...
just another game people will play, complain about, get bored with , move on till something better comes along, not saying it won't or will be a good game who knows, who really cares in the grand scheme of things..
I agree they wont completely dismantle BW if this game flops but they will hurt them EA is the buisness and if buisness is bad its not the consumers fault its the developers so EA is going to continue to sink money into SW: TOR even after it comes out for updates content and if it is popular enough expansions so if they dont see a large LARGE turn around they will be going after their money and taking it from BW pockets, and if that means a couple Hundred BW employees need to seek a new place of employment than thats what it will take.
I hear ya but there so much generalization there. FFXIV made promises about a great brand new Final Fantasy adventure but beta testers were telling them what the problems were and they didn't listen. Not only that, they failed to realize just how far western gamers have moved beyond the asian style rpg mechanics from years ago.
DCUO is what it is. Action combat, twitchy controls, dc universe. If I was a big DC comics fan then it would have been tempting. But who expected tons of content? Especially on a PS3 MMO?
Rift in my mind is actually superior to the two above. It has a lot of content, dungeons, raids, pvp, crafting. The game is still enjoyable on PvP servers and guild run raids. Unfortunately there's a problem with long waits looking for raid groups because the LFG dungeon finder isn't cross server. Rift's budget was rumored to be $40 million, which considering their sales and current performance, they are still a success.
SWTOR is not promising magic. They are promising a heavily story based MMO. Gameplay looks fun to me but I typically enjoy story RPGs. People who mainly enjoy PvP and endgame gear raiding probably won't get too excited about SWTOR. The graphics, while using current graphics effects technology, are stylized so it's not going to look as advanced as Tera. Voice acting is some of the best I've heard in gaming.
Any game company that put out a game like Mass Effect 2 or Dragon Age Origins or Jade Empire or Kotor or etc is probably going to put out a pretty good game, even if it's an MMO. It doesn't have to become the king of MMOs to be a success. Even if it fails, although unlikely, it's still probably added to the shift of huge entertainment production going into gaming.
Its Star Wars. It won't fail in the way warhammer / AoC (IPs that most gamers were happy to do without long before someone tried to make a "warcraft killing" mmo) failed.
I doubt it will kill warcraft though. First because warcraft isn't just going to be killed in the same way that everquest was never killed and even Vanguard was never killed. Games like this, especially with an IP like starwars dont just die. There will always be people to play them. But second because it is Star Wars. If Vanguard can sustain .. so can this game. Now some people may call Vanguard a failure and in some ways it is. I doubt Bioware / LA will flop in that manner.
As much as I disagree with a lot of what this games offers and even represents, it looks like a good game. Even if like Rift it has nothing to offer beyone a certain point, there will be people playing it for at least 15 years I would guess.
My best guess at the track record this game will have in a year is it will release, and lose 40% of people who really want an MMO about 3-4 months after release and sustain about 1 or 2 million people for a year. But that's just a guess. Since they refuse to really talk about a lot of what they are going to offer it will have to remain a guess.
LFD tools are great for cramming people into content, but quality > quantity.
I am, usually on the sandbox .. more "hardcore" side of things, but I also do just want to have fun. So lighten up already
If it fails... we find Smedley and... and... nvmd.
If it fails... we'll all be right back here posting up a storm and saying how bad the game sucks. We'll be looking for other games and continue to rip SW:tOR apart. We'll likely hate on people that enjoy the game and didn't go running back to play their Belf Pally... er... ahem... doh.
But yeah, we'll do what we've done with every other 'destined to be great by the hype-meter god's' that ended up sucking... like... AoC, WAR, etc.,.. WE'LL POST! AND POST! AND FLAME AND POST.. POST...POST MORE... and pray to the gaming god's that the Dev's hear us and our cries to make their game better. And if they don't... we begin our wait for the next 'dare to be great' game.
I have extremely high-hopes for SW:tOR. Successfully pre-ordered the CE, so we'll see.
I know that I won't be going back to WoW... ever.
It can't fail anymore, as they got their ROI already due to all the headless sheep buying the ridiculous overpriced CE and Special Editions, which are both sold out! So do the math.
EA now already earned millions and millions of dollars, without even releasing the game yet lol.
So even if the game bites the dust shortly after launch, they got their ROI on ridiculous priced box sales.
That's why I refused to pre-order and won't buy it until the price drops! I am not gonna support this kind of business practices, so it can become the standard! /facepalm
I really dont think its gana fail, I mean if you play Bounty Hunter you get a moral choice to sell a little girl into slavery and then shoot her father in the face. How can you possibly think anything like that is a fail.
as for the cost of the CE thats actually about standard nowadays for a CE that has that much shite in it. So its actually priced very well as well as they havnt gotten our moneys yet they have prob made a few mil off the 20 bucks we had to put down but early access if a killer for themif we dont like it we just cancel and they go into a whirlwind of bad debt.
All the people who ordered digitally via Origin (where both CE and Special Edition are sold out as well) are fully charged. At least that's what the reports say.
nope cuz i did i only spent 20 buck on my ce so far.