What this is going to do is remove a economy market from in game. People will get pissed that a item costs 100x more in game for currency because it is now a item that can be sold for real life cash.
What's to stop people in the videogame 'black market' from setting up a Craigslist-style item-selling site to bypass the fees sanctioned by the in-game AH? This is just my opinion, but I don't think Blizzard has all their bases covered when it comes to trying to curb outside sales of items. People, invariably, will work to find their way to cheaper venues. If someone offers a model that functions well enough that others can replicate, I think Blizzard will have their hands full trying to shut it down.
The problem with you're whole logic here is in thinking that when you're dealing with someone that works the "black market" is that you can actually trust them, lol. There must be hundreds if not thousands of players in all kinds of mmo's that get scammed/hacked everyday by these #$%^ that sell ingame items (most that were probably stolen from hacked accounts to boot) for real cash. Now dont get me wrong I'm not all that thrilled about this but looking at the big picture this is most likely the best direction to go to finially at least work at the whole problem of these !@#$% farmers/gold spammers filling every chat in almost every mmo out there with their garbage every 5 secs.
Heres my thoughts. There will always be players with cash to burn an no time/effort to get the items they want that will spend real money for them. Thats why the whole ingame gold/item for real world cash industry has just been booming with more and more people playing mmo's now more than ever. So heres where Blizz comes in with at the very least a test drive at trying to solve a problem that every player/game company knows full well it starting to get pretty bad. If players have somewhere they can go to get their items in a safe and secure manner where they know they wont get banned for doing it and know that their account/s are perfectly safe and they will actually get the item they are paying for without the fear of getting scammed, why not just use the Blizz system and tell the spammers to go ^&*(#! off?
That right there should but a huge dent in the money intake of all these half assed gold/item selling sites and the crooks that run/work for them. Not only that but hell, this even gives you're average player the option of making some extra cash on the side every now and then in a safe manner all the while knowing yet again that their accounts are safe and that Blizz wont drop the hammer on them if they found out about it.
What really gets me is all these Blizz haters with their ranting about "OMG BLIZZ IS SO GREEDY, OMG BLIZZ IS TRYING TO GRAB EVEN MORE MONEY BY GIVING PLAYERS THE OPTION TO BUY ITEMS WITH CASH OMG!!!!!), I mean really, where the hell have you guys been, under a rock somewhere? This isnt anything new when you think about it. While the wares maybe different here look at games like LOTRO and DDO. Turbine is making tons of cash most by giving their players an option to by perks and some ingame items with real cash and they have been doing it for awhile now. And while I havent played DDO in a few months I know that I have never seen either games chat filled with anywhere near the amount of gold/item selling for real cash massive spams as I have in alot of other games. I dont see all the massive mob mentality aimed Turbrine for doing the same damn thing that Blizz is with just a different slant to it either.
Again while it may not be the greatest option at the time, on the whole it could very well be one that leads to something that could work out great. And in the end it beats sitting around doing nothing with your head up your @#$% like all these other companies either ignoring the problem or pretending it doesnt exist.
And enjoy the poll. Incase some of you miss it I am being sarcastic but it just makes more sense to me to use a secure system put in by the game makers themselves, lol.
TO me this Realmoney AH just tells me blizzard doesnt care about Gold farmers maing money off of their products, shame, that we are naive, to believe this wont affect any other game in the future.
These aren't gold farmers. They are loot farmers in a single player RPG with some competitive traits such as a ladder and a "rush". What is Blizzard's other course of action? Just not allow it? Then the 3rd party sites get all the money and people who purchase get shafted now and again. It isn't not going to happen, might as well attempt to regulate it.
Shows me your naive at how Diablo works. It doesn't affect me. I play with a few friends and play to this day, I'm in two tournaments in the single player forum of incgamers site. If you look at my avatar I bet you can find me as its the same...
Originally posted by Kelthius
Originally posted by fundayz
Originally posted by Chackz
QQ kid. You can use the gold aution house noob!
Don't be naive, the prices on the Gold AH are going to be so inflated due to rampant gold selling that the average user is not going to be able to use it on a consistent basis, if at all.
This. It doesn't matter that you can get it on the gold auction house. The person who spends RL money will advance faster than anyone who doesn't. D3 is officially P2W.
And Diablo II was never P2W? Why did hacked items sell all the time? Diablo is what you make of it. You do your own thing. You don't require anyone but yourself and your own playstyle. Guess what you can do absurd things with absurd builds in Diablo II and I think it'll transition to Diablo III.
As others have stated there is a difference between someone playing Diablo for a year and the people who've spend 4+ years playing/modding Diablo 1 and then doing the same but for the last 10 playing/modding Diablo II. (For example I've played every year for 3-6months once I've started to play MMO's and thats just exclusive D2/D1 only, I normally have a character going all the time) The only ones who actually get shafted are the modders over at the Phrozen Keep who have put out some nice damn mods. If its going to be online, and I don't need the item as I play usually in tournament style mods which only allow certain items I'll sell my stuff after I'm done with my toon. Awesome I get to profit without using eBay(not that its an option anymore, but it was back in the day). Some of us have been looking forward to Diablo III with an negative outlook but all the variants with choices leads me to believe it'll have 10x as many options as Diablo II offers. I've been looking forward to this now and this just is a slam dunk as over time this game will cost me nadda and I'll make a few.
As for whether the "free" listing is just a set number or whatnot does it matter really? If its such a low cost, you should be smart enough to use the initial free ones to gain money to list more stuff.
Just to let you know that the single player community you mention is littered with people that have downloaded diablo mods and reaped the benefits of better rune drop rates and previous version weapon / armour drops; They then transfer then to vanila diablo. This type of play on single player has happened for years, loads of so called legit single players have been found out and exposed.
What's to stop people in the videogame 'black market' from setting up a Craigslist-style item-selling site to bypass the fees sanctioned by the in-game AH? This is just my opinion, but I don't think Blizzard has all their bases covered when it comes to trying to curb outside sales of items. People, invariably, will work to find their way to cheaper venues. If someone offers a model that functions well enough that others can replicate, I think Blizzard will have their hands full trying to shut it down.
The problem with you're whole logic here is in thinking that when you're dealing with someone that works the "black market" is that you can actually trust them, lol. There must be hundreds if not thousands of players in all kinds of mmo's that get scammed/hacked everyday by these #$%^ that sell ingame items (most that were probably stolen from hacked accounts to boot) for real cash. Now dont get me wrong I'm not all that thrilled about this but looking at the big picture this is most likely the best direction to go to finially at least work at the whole problem of these !@#$% farmers/gold spammers filling every chat in almost every mmo out there with their garbage every 5 secs.
Heres my thoughts. There will always be players with cash to burn an no time/effort to get the items they want that will spend real money for them. Thats why the whole ingame gold/item for real world cash industry has just been booming with more and more people playing mmo's now more than ever. So heres where Blizz comes in with at the very least a test drive at trying to solve a problem that every player/game company knows full well it starting to get pretty bad. If players have somewhere they can go to get their items in a safe and secure manner where they know they wont get banned for doing it and know that their account/s are perfectly safe and they will actually get the item they are paying for without the fear of getting scammed, why not just use the Blizz system and tell the spammers to go ^&*(#! off?
That right there should but a huge dent in the money intake of all these half assed gold/item selling sites and the crooks that run/work for them. Not only that but hell, this even gives you're average player the option of making some extra cash on the side every now and then in a safe manner all the while knowing yet again that their accounts are safe and that Blizz wont drop the hammer on them if they found out about it.
Again while it may not be the greatest at the time, on the whole it could very well be one that leads to something could be great. And in the end it beats sitting around doing nothing with your head up your @#$% like all these other companies either ignoring the problem or pretending it doesnt exist.
Well then what about the black market scumbags, as you call them, that just move their operation to the new digital e-bay? Now they will be getting cash and not face any repercussions if they get caught.
Also do you really think this is going to stop other black market scumbags from hacking accounts, like you said they were doing in Diablo 2? After all why not, if there are items on there you can steal, why would you not hack accounts if you are a black market scumbag, what else do you have to lose?
I really hope it works out with sunshine and roses and the death of every other form of RTM like so many of you predict. To me I really do not care about Blizzard or this game, to me this is more like Pandora’s box, either what Blizzard is doing is going to be awesome or we are all going to end up in the hell of our own making. But I guess if that happens I can just give up gaming all together and find a new hobby, there is so much more than games out there.
I will be curious to see how this ends up, and to see how far this new digital e-bay spreads and what it does to the gaming market. I just hope you people that speak of this as the best thing since slice bread put your money were your mouth is and spend tons of money in that new E-bay. And after we all see where this goes if it does turn into hell that you stay, since you helped create it, no being a wimp and walking away after you helped kick open the box.
What this is going to do is remove a economy market from in game. People will get pissed that a item costs 100x more in game for currency because it is now a item that can be sold for real life cash.
Obviously, yes.
Also for the OP record, there is also an other important aspect for Blizzard. In usual p2w you already have this. In p2w games, companies always make nice promotional offers you can't possibly miss if you are and avid consumer (not hard for them since the virtual good have no real value for them). And naturally those promotional offer have no regularity on purpose. The purpose is to have a nice cushion in you RMT system so it work a bit like a deposit bank. If 1/2 the gamer have 50$ at anytime in the system to not miss an auction, that's a huge adventage for Blizzard.
Anyway i'm kind of curious to see how it will evolve between Blizzard and the wild RMTs, somehow i cannot imagine this but inflating over the control of the market between those 2. I cannot possibly imagine the system working smoothly for many reasons, like the one you pointed. Simply because whatever Blizzard plan they must first keep their game popular, RMTs don't give a damn about this, they are all about quick bucks; so this simple fact will create problems for sure.
it's funny to see how little understanding people have on the impact of RMT in a game.
lets take a look closely,
uber bow of 1shotkill $1200 => sold to ubah pharmr of ch1n353
ubah pharmr goes and farm another 12 uber bow of 1shotkill and hord it to drive the price up.
the game will ONLY allow x number of x rarity item in the game at a given time so nobody else except ubah pharmr has the uber bow of 1shotkill
people eventually stop playing cuz they are tired of getting rusty dagger of sukarse or they pay the $2000 to ubah pharmr for the uber bow of 1shotkill and start farming to recover the cost of buying the uber bow.
domino effect?
nobody is "enjoying" the game. they are all farming to try to recover the cost of playing the game
welcome 4m3r1c4n ph4rmr and lets all play the hording game to drive up price cuz real $ is involved
it's funny to see how little understanding people have on the impact of RMT in a game.
lets take a look closely,
uber bow of 1shotkill $1200 => sold to ubah pharmr of ch1n353
ubah pharmr goes and farm another 12 uber bow of 1shotkill and hord it to drive the price up.
the game will ONLY allow x number of x rarity item in the game at a given time so nobody else except ubah pharmr has the uber bow of 1shotkill
people eventually stop playing cuz they are tired of getting rusty dagger of sukarse or they pay the $2000 to ubah pharmr for the uber bow of 1shotkill and start farming to recover the cost of buying the uber bow.
domino effect?
nobody is "enjoying" the game. they are all farming to try to recover the cost of playing the game
welcome 4m3r1c4n ph4rmr and lets all play the hording game to drive up price cuz real $ is involved
It's no use arguing, really. Can't convince blind fan boys and youth with no concept of the value of money and the greed it instills in people. But I've already written D3 off at this point. Let them ruin their own game. Just like every other game with the rabid fans, they'll shout and defend it then come qq'ing back to the forums when it blows up in their faces.
"Forums aren't for intelligent discussion; they're for blow-hards with unwavering opinions."
What's to stop people in the videogame 'black market' from setting up a Craigslist-style item-selling site to bypass the fees sanctioned by the in-game AH? This is just my opinion, but I don't think Blizzard has all their bases covered when it comes to trying to curb outside sales of items. People, invariably, will work to find their way to cheaper venues. If someone offers a model that functions well enough that others can replicate, I think Blizzard will have their hands full trying to shut it down.
The problem with you're whole logic here is in thinking that when you're dealing with someone that works the "black market" is that you can actually trust them, lol. There must be hundreds if not thousands of players in all kinds of mmo's that get scammed/hacked everyday by these #$%^ that sell ingame items (most that were probably stolen from hacked accounts to boot) for real cash. Now dont get me wrong I'm not all that thrilled about this but looking at the big picture this is most likely the best direction to go to finially at least work at the whole problem of these !@#$% farmers/gold spammers filling every chat in almost every mmo out there with their garbage every 5 secs.
Heres my thoughts. There will always be players with cash to burn an no time/effort to get the items they want that will spend real money for them. Thats why the whole ingame gold/item for real world cash industry has just been booming with more and more people playing mmo's now more than ever. So heres where Blizz comes in with at the very least a test drive at trying to solve a problem that every player/game company knows full well it starting to get pretty bad. If players have somewhere they can go to get their items in a safe and secure manner where they know they wont get banned for doing it and know that their account/s are perfectly safe and they will actually get the item they are paying for without the fear of getting scammed, why not just use the Blizz system and tell the spammers to go ^&*(#! off?
That right there should but a huge dent in the money intake of all these half assed gold/item selling sites and the crooks that run/work for them. Not only that but hell, this even gives you're average player the option of making some extra cash on the side every now and then in a safe manner all the while knowing yet again that their accounts are safe and that Blizz wont drop the hammer on them if they found out about it.
Again while it may not be the greatest at the time, on the whole it could very well be one that leads to something could be great. And in the end it beats sitting around doing nothing with your head up your @#$% like all these other companies either ignoring the problem or pretending it doesnt exist.
Well then what about the black market scumbags, as you call them, that just move their operation to the new digital e-bay? Now they will be getting cash and not face any repercussions if they get caught.
Also do you really think this is going to stop other black market scumbags from hacking accounts, like you said they were doing in Diablo 2? After all why not, if there are items on there you can steal, why would you not hack accounts if you are a black market scumbag, what else do you have to lose?
I really hope it works out with sunshine and roses and the death of every other form of RTM like so many of you predict. To me I really do not care about Blizzard or this game, to me this is more like Pandora’s box, either what Blizzard is doing is going to be awesome or we are all going to end up in the hell of our own making. But I guess if that happens I can just give up gaming all together and find a new hobby, there is so much more than games out there.
I will be curious to see how this ends up, and to see how far this new digital e-bay spreads and what it does to the gaming market. I just hope you people that speak of this as the best thing since slice bread put your money were your mouth is and spend tons of money in that new E-bay. And after we all see where this goes if it does turn into hell that you stay, since you helped create it, no being a wimp and walking away after you helped kick open the box.
Replies like these really make my day, time for some fun. Lets start with your first rant. A real simple fix for that issure would be to put some type of hidden serial numbering system on items when they are picked up that Blizz can track. Heres a pretend case. I get hacked and my gear gets jacked. Blizz makes a log of the serial numbers of the gear that was linked to my account when it was hacked and starts tracking them to see when they pop up. Hacker puts my stolen gear on the AH and bam, Blizz catches him when when the numbers for the stolen gear pops up on the AH. Hell if the always on internet setup they are going to put in they wouldnt even have to wait that long, just do a scan on the server and find the numbers that way.
Now onto youre second paragraph. So you said so yourself you have no interest in either the game or the company that is making it so why go into a thread about a game and a company that you have no interest in other than to be a troll with no life who doesnt add anything positive or constructive to the conversation at all?
Last paragraph and my favorite. Love how these no life, spineless, have to hide inside cause they will melt if hit by sunlight trolls love to talk @Q%^!. First,wtf do you care if or how much any one uses the real cash AH in D3? Remember, you dont care about the game anyways and its not like you're gonna be playing it so how about you just put your fist in your mouth and just stfu, kay? As for the whole wimps comment, that must have taken some huge balls bro to go online and talk shit while hiding in your mommas basement on your computer. At least you did something worth while and gave me something to laugh with my buddies about, tyvm, byebye, . Always love the chance to troll a troll.
it's funny to see how little understanding people have on the impact of RMT in a game.
lets take a look closely,
uber bow of 1shotkill $1200 => sold to ubah pharmr of ch1n353
ubah pharmr goes and farm another 12 uber bow of 1shotkill and hord it to drive the price up.
the game will ONLY allow x number of x rarity item in the game at a given time so nobody else except ubah pharmr has the uber bow of 1shotkill
people eventually stop playing cuz they are tired of getting rusty dagger of sukarse or they pay the $2000 to ubah pharmr for the uber bow of 1shotkill and start farming to recover the cost of buying the uber bow.
domino effect?
nobody is "enjoying" the game. they are all farming to try to recover the cost of playing the game
welcome 4m3r1c4n ph4rmr and lets all play the hording game to drive up price cuz real $ is involved
Ye its well known that a lot of usual gamers will start using bot when they are afk to get themselves a chance for they 1/10000000 chnace of drop, the heavy rmt games proove this. A lot of l2 gamer started to bot in this game and stopped boting when they stoped playing it, which is a bit alarming honestly. L2 was an other RMT heaven, in fact L2 pushed RMt and boting to an other level, but NC is jumping both legs on the break now. Something Blizzard have a decade of inexperience it seam. As i said in my first post about this affaire, Blizzard will learn soon enough that a good name worth all the greediness in the world.
Replies like these really make my day, time for some fun. Lets start with your first rant. A real simple fix for that issure would be to put some type of hidden serial numbering system on items when they are picked up that Blizz can track. Heres a pretend case. I get hacked and my gear gets jacked. Blizz makes a log of the serial numbers of the gear that was linked to my account when it was hacked and starts tracking them to see when they pop up. Hacker puts my stolen gear on the AH and bam, Blizz catches him when when the numbers for the stolen gear pops up on the AH. Hell if the always on internet setup they are going to put in they wouldnt even have to wait that long, just do a scan on the server and find the numbers that way.
Now onto youre second paragraph. So you said so yourself you have no interest in either the game or the company that is making it so why go into a thread about a game and a company that you have no interest in other than to be a troll with no life who doesnt add anything positive or constructive to the conversation at all?
Last paragraph and my favorite. Love how these no life, spineless, have to hide inside cause they will melt if hit by sunlight trolls love to talk @Q%^!. First,wtf do you care if or how much any one uses the real cash AH in D3? Remember, you dont care about the game anyways and its not like you're gonna be playing it so how about you just put your fist in your mouth and just stfu, kay? As for the whole wimps comment, that must have taken some huge balls bro to go online and talk shit while hiding in your mommas basement on your computer. At least you did something worth while and gave me something to laugh with my buddies about, tyvm, byebye, . Always love the chance to troll a troll.
Well the first part is a possibility, but if that is so easy to do why have they not done it on WoW. Believe it or not accounts still get hacked on WoW. Who knows maybe they will introduce something like this in the future.
Oh yes because anyone that posts that does not share your view is a troll. Maybe I posted because I am interested in gaming and what Blizzard is doing with their digital e-bay is going to eventually affect all of gaming if it is successful. But do not hurt your brain with that one; I would not want your “everyone that is not a fan of Blizzard and share your views is a low life” theory to end here. Also I think it is funny that you think posting on an internet forum and being a self-righteous fan doesn’t make you a low life. We have different definitions of the word apparently.
Yes but I do care how it is going to effect the industry! Is that really so hard for your small brain, that thinks cussing every other word makes you cool, to understand? How about you take your own advice since the only one I see trolling here is you, MR. tough guy! And the bad part is I wasted my time to respond to you twice now because I thought you were an adult, and not a child. Well now I know better, thanks for clearing that up.
People claiming that suddenly all the bosses will be camped by cash farmers is ridiculous. Let's be honest, those who would be doing it, already are. There are already bots farming rares in just about every game. It's also not Blizzard selling items, these are items that are naturally coming from the economy, the same stuff you could find at the auction house. This isn't going to change anything, it's just going to make it less shady, and it gives the developers a chance to make some profit from it.
Reality is, this idea is not new. It's been floated around for over 10 years, going back as far as Everquest's first expansion. The idea had already been tossed around and discussed among developers way back then. MMO developers have also been approach by some of the larger RMT companies trying to integrate into the games in a unified manner and sharing profits. This is not a new concept. In addition to the Station Exchange servers in EQ 2, Runes of Magic has been running (with millions of players) for a couple of years now and they allow users to buy and sell items at the auction house using their microtransaction cash. While in that case you can't actually cash it out, you can buy items in the same way. Project Entropia allowed you to cash out and sell using real world cash for a long time. My guess is that in the future, we'll see more companies experimenting with this type of thing as they move away from subscriptions.
People claiming that suddenly all the bosses will be camped by cash farmers is ridiculous. Let's be honest, those who would be doing it, already are. There are already bots farming rares in just about every game. It's also not Blizzard selling items, these are items that are naturally coming from the economy, the same stuff you could find at the auction house. This isn't going to change anything, it's just going to make it less shady, and it gives the developers a chance to make some profit from it.
Reality is, this idea is not new. It's been floated around for over 10 years, going back as far as Everquest's first expansion. The idea had already been tossed around and discussed among developers way back then. MMO developers have also been approach by some of the larger RMT companies trying to integrate into the games in a unified manner and sharing profits. This is not a new concept. In addition to the Station Exchange servers in EQ 2, Runes of Magic has been running (with millions of players) for a couple of years now and they allow users to buy and sell items at the auction house using their microtransaction cash. While in that case you can't actually cash it out, you can buy items in the same way. Project Entropia allowed you to cash out and sell using real world cash for a long time. My guess is that in the future, we'll see more companies experimenting with this type of thing as they move away from subscriptions.
Man I really to need to stop reading this forum while I am working at night on a server, I keep getting distracted.
But anyway I wanted to say, we are talking about single player gamers here not subscription based MMOs. If you do not know the subscription based MMO is not exactly the most popular thing, in fact it has the lowest percentage of gamers in it. While single player has the most, so adding a RMT shop into the single player environment is going to affect way more gamers then doing that to a MMO would. If gamers accept it, you most likely will see a huge shift in how companies are going to develop games as the digital e-bay becomes more and more part of the industry.
Think about it, this is no MMO that might affect 10% of the gaming population; this will affect the vast majority of gamers and end up influencing everything to come in the gaming market, now just one genre. After all the trends we see in the single player industry eventually end up affect the MMO industry.
I know I am not a fan of it, but apparently there are thousands that think this is completely awesome. I hope in the end it is, if not I guess I will just leave this hobby behind for good.
As i said in my first post about this affaire, Blizzard will learn soon enough that a good name worth all the greediness in the world.
unfortunately, after D3, bethesda would be the only dev out there that havent commited the ultimate sin of selling out. blizzard is showing this with D3, and bioware has already shown this with DA2.
who knows maybe european dev's are the next beacon of hope after all the american devs sell out and drive their IP's to the ground. but then again, even CCP is falling prey to the weight of the mighty ISK... who's next? CDProjekt?
what they made a diablo ii diablo was so bad i did't know they made a second. wow ,sell uselss crap that will fall randomly anyways for cash. people will try to flood the market to the point that it will die out anyways.think about this,in other game auctions how many times have you posted items that did NOT sell. a few my guess is,so now ehn you get teh item back in the mail,you will have lost real cash,keep track of it and in the end you will dinf out you lost and blizzard won,cause they win wether you sell or not.
As i said in my first post about this affaire, Blizzard will learn soon enough that a good name worth all the greediness in the world.
unfortunately, after D3, bethesda would be the only dev out there that havent commited the ultimate sin of selling out. blizzard is showing this with D3, and bioware has already shown this with DA2.
who knows maybe european dev's are the next beacon of hope after all the american devs sell out and drive their IP's to the ground. but then again, even CCP is falling prey to the weight of the mighty ISK... who's next? CDProjekt?
I am sorry but i would like to know how Bioware sold out with DA2? they made some weird design decisions which didn't work out and it happens all the time in gaming industry. You can not expect a perfect track record, from any company. There is always this thing called 'human error'. I don't think any dev would want such supporters who give up on them after one mess up.
Well, this is not going to effect me in any way. If someone wants to pay for pixel swords, that is their business.
I would just add one thing. Relating to the poll regarding the third-party issue. A third-party website, especially one dedicated to a kind of service, can be as, if not more, secure as any site Blizzard puts up. Naturally, if you are a retard who purchases from an unknown site simply because the price is too good to be true, well it probably is.
"The person who experiences greatness must have a feeling for the myth he is in."
I am sorry but i would like to know how Bioware sold out with DA2? they made some weird design decisions which didn't work out and it happens all the time in gaming industry. You can not expect a perfect track record, from any company. There is always this thing called 'human error'. I don't think any dev would want such supporters who give up on them after one mess up.
well... calling DA2 a "human error" is like saying "NASA forgot to install the solid rocket booster engine on the space shuttle on launch day" a "human error":D unless YOU don't think it was THAT obvious of a mistake?:D
you can only blame so much on human error before it's classified as "yah, they did that on purpose cuz they sold out to EA and EA wanted to protect their investment in SWTOR so they diverted all the programmers to SWTOR instead...":D
well, i'll still be looking forward to how ME3 comes out, but i think their "pre order" numbers will definately be hurt this time around:)
I am sorry but i would like to know how Bioware sold out with DA2? they made some weird design decisions which didn't work out and it happens all the time in gaming industry. You can not expect a perfect track record, from any company. There is always this thing called 'human error'. I don't think any dev would want such supporters who give up on them after one mess up.
well... calling DA2 a "human error" is like saying "NASA forgot to install the solid rocket booster engine on the space shuttle on launch day" a "human error":D unless YOU don't think it was THAT obvious of a mistake?:D
you can only blame so much on human error before it's classified as "yah, they did that on purpose cuz they sold out to EA and EA wanted to protect their investment in SWTOR so they diverted all the programmers to SWTOR instead...":D
well, i'll still be looking forward to how ME3 comes out, but i think their "pre order" numbers will definately be hurt this time around:)
Sorry but that analogy makes no sense. Because DA2 was working right out of the box so i have no idea how it can be compared to missing rocket booster engine on launch day. More like a broken space toilet i would say. You make it sound as if DA2 was a broken mess and didn't even install on your hard drive.
When I first heard about it I was stunned, and after several seconds I became indifferent. Diablo has always had people who sell items for cash, the fact that they are going to make it safe and secure to do so would be well worth them getting a cut if you choose to do so. So many of you are acting like this will be forced upon you or something. You do realize there will also be a seperate AH using gold right? And Im betting alot of people wont even use that. Get over it already.
About time this enter the gaming industry. Why should the chineses farmers and scumbag sites have this market share for them self and not the primary involved gamers.
Comments
Lol, wut!?
I WAS looking forward to D3.
now i pray SWTOR won't suck
What this is going to do is remove a economy market from in game. People will get pissed that a item costs 100x more in game for currency because it is now a item that can be sold for real life cash.
This isn't a deal breaker to me. The worst case is that I have to find items myself, which is still fun to me.
The best case is that the market for trading items for items will exist just as it did in D2.
Just to let you know that the single player community you mention is littered with people that have downloaded diablo mods and reaped the benefits of better rune drop rates and previous version weapon / armour drops; They then transfer then to vanila diablo. This type of play on single player has happened for years, loads of so called legit single players have been found out and exposed.
Dont be naive.
Well then what about the black market scumbags, as you call them, that just move their operation to the new digital e-bay? Now they will be getting cash and not face any repercussions if they get caught.
Also do you really think this is going to stop other black market scumbags from hacking accounts, like you said they were doing in Diablo 2? After all why not, if there are items on there you can steal, why would you not hack accounts if you are a black market scumbag, what else do you have to lose?
I really hope it works out with sunshine and roses and the death of every other form of RTM like so many of you predict. To me I really do not care about Blizzard or this game, to me this is more like Pandora’s box, either what Blizzard is doing is going to be awesome or we are all going to end up in the hell of our own making. But I guess if that happens I can just give up gaming all together and find a new hobby, there is so much more than games out there.
I will be curious to see how this ends up, and to see how far this new digital e-bay spreads and what it does to the gaming market. I just hope you people that speak of this as the best thing since slice bread put your money were your mouth is and spend tons of money in that new E-bay. And after we all see where this goes if it does turn into hell that you stay, since you helped create it, no being a wimp and walking away after you helped kick open the box.
Obviously, yes.
Also for the OP record, there is also an other important aspect for Blizzard. In usual p2w you already have this. In p2w games, companies always make nice promotional offers you can't possibly miss if you are and avid consumer (not hard for them since the virtual good have no real value for them). And naturally those promotional offer have no regularity on purpose. The purpose is to have a nice cushion in you RMT system so it work a bit like a deposit bank. If 1/2 the gamer have 50$ at anytime in the system to not miss an auction, that's a huge adventage for Blizzard.
Anyway i'm kind of curious to see how it will evolve between Blizzard and the wild RMTs, somehow i cannot imagine this but inflating over the control of the market between those 2. I cannot possibly imagine the system working smoothly for many reasons, like the one you pointed. Simply because whatever Blizzard plan they must first keep their game popular, RMTs don't give a damn about this, they are all about quick bucks; so this simple fact will create problems for sure.
it's funny to see how little understanding people have on the impact of RMT in a game.
lets take a look closely,
uber bow of 1shotkill $1200 => sold to ubah pharmr of ch1n353
ubah pharmr goes and farm another 12 uber bow of 1shotkill and hord it to drive the price up.
the game will ONLY allow x number of x rarity item in the game at a given time so nobody else except ubah pharmr has the uber bow of 1shotkill
people eventually stop playing cuz they are tired of getting rusty dagger of sukarse or they pay the $2000 to ubah pharmr for the uber bow of 1shotkill and start farming to recover the cost of buying the uber bow.
domino effect?
nobody is "enjoying" the game. they are all farming to try to recover the cost of playing the game
welcome 4m3r1c4n ph4rmr and lets all play the hording game to drive up price cuz real $ is involved
This is pure Activision. Blizzard is but a pawn now.
Gaming is now just mega-corp business. Gone is the day of games made by players for players.
You stay sassy!
It's no use arguing, really. Can't convince blind fan boys and youth with no concept of the value of money and the greed it instills in people. But I've already written D3 off at this point. Let them ruin their own game. Just like every other game with the rabid fans, they'll shout and defend it then come qq'ing back to the forums when it blows up in their faces.
"Forums aren't for intelligent discussion; they're for blow-hards with unwavering opinions."
Ye its well known that a lot of usual gamers will start using bot when they are afk to get themselves a chance for they 1/10000000 chnace of drop, the heavy rmt games proove this. A lot of l2 gamer started to bot in this game and stopped boting when they stoped playing it, which is a bit alarming honestly. L2 was an other RMT heaven, in fact L2 pushed RMt and boting to an other level, but NC is jumping both legs on the break now. Something Blizzard have a decade of inexperience it seam. As i said in my first post about this affaire, Blizzard will learn soon enough that a good name worth all the greediness in the world.
Well the first part is a possibility, but if that is so easy to do why have they not done it on WoW. Believe it or not accounts still get hacked on WoW. Who knows maybe they will introduce something like this in the future.
Oh yes because anyone that posts that does not share your view is a troll. Maybe I posted because I am interested in gaming and what Blizzard is doing with their digital e-bay is going to eventually affect all of gaming if it is successful. But do not hurt your brain with that one; I would not want your “everyone that is not a fan of Blizzard and share your views is a low life” theory to end here. Also I think it is funny that you think posting on an internet forum and being a self-righteous fan doesn’t make you a low life. We have different definitions of the word apparently.
Yes but I do care how it is going to effect the industry! Is that really so hard for your small brain, that thinks cussing every other word makes you cool, to understand? How about you take your own advice since the only one I see trolling here is you, MR. tough guy! And the bad part is I wasted my time to respond to you twice now because I thought you were an adult, and not a child. Well now I know better, thanks for clearing that up.
People claiming that suddenly all the bosses will be camped by cash farmers is ridiculous. Let's be honest, those who would be doing it, already are. There are already bots farming rares in just about every game. It's also not Blizzard selling items, these are items that are naturally coming from the economy, the same stuff you could find at the auction house. This isn't going to change anything, it's just going to make it less shady, and it gives the developers a chance to make some profit from it.
Reality is, this idea is not new. It's been floated around for over 10 years, going back as far as Everquest's first expansion. The idea had already been tossed around and discussed among developers way back then. MMO developers have also been approach by some of the larger RMT companies trying to integrate into the games in a unified manner and sharing profits. This is not a new concept. In addition to the Station Exchange servers in EQ 2, Runes of Magic has been running (with millions of players) for a couple of years now and they allow users to buy and sell items at the auction house using their microtransaction cash. While in that case you can't actually cash it out, you can buy items in the same way. Project Entropia allowed you to cash out and sell using real world cash for a long time. My guess is that in the future, we'll see more companies experimenting with this type of thing as they move away from subscriptions.
https://www.therepopulation.com - Sci Fi Sandbox.
Man I really to need to stop reading this forum while I am working at night on a server, I keep getting distracted.
But anyway I wanted to say, we are talking about single player gamers here not subscription based MMOs. If you do not know the subscription based MMO is not exactly the most popular thing, in fact it has the lowest percentage of gamers in it. While single player has the most, so adding a RMT shop into the single player environment is going to affect way more gamers then doing that to a MMO would. If gamers accept it, you most likely will see a huge shift in how companies are going to develop games as the digital e-bay becomes more and more part of the industry.
Think about it, this is no MMO that might affect 10% of the gaming population; this will affect the vast majority of gamers and end up influencing everything to come in the gaming market, now just one genre. After all the trends we see in the single player industry eventually end up affect the MMO industry.
I know I am not a fan of it, but apparently there are thousands that think this is completely awesome. I hope in the end it is, if not I guess I will just leave this hobby behind for good.
unfortunately, after D3, bethesda would be the only dev out there that havent commited the ultimate sin of selling out. blizzard is showing this with D3, and bioware has already shown this with DA2.
who knows maybe european dev's are the next beacon of hope after all the american devs sell out and drive their IP's to the ground. but then again, even CCP is falling prey to the weight of the mighty ISK... who's next? CDProjekt?
what they made a diablo ii diablo was so bad i did't know they made a second. wow ,sell uselss crap that will fall randomly anyways for cash. people will try to flood the market to the point that it will die out anyways.think about this,in other game auctions how many times have you posted items that did NOT sell. a few my guess is,so now ehn you get teh item back in the mail,you will have lost real cash,keep track of it and in the end you will dinf out you lost and blizzard won,cause they win wether you sell or not.
I am sorry but i would like to know how Bioware sold out with DA2? they made some weird design decisions which didn't work out and it happens all the time in gaming industry. You can not expect a perfect track record, from any company. There is always this thing called 'human error'. I don't think any dev would want such supporters who give up on them after one mess up.
I had 2 years of fun with WoW, but that was in the past, before WotLK.
Because of this, I can definitely say I am done with Activision/Blizzard.
Well, this is not going to effect me in any way. If someone wants to pay for pixel swords, that is their business.
I would just add one thing. Relating to the poll regarding the third-party issue. A third-party website, especially one dedicated to a kind of service, can be as, if not more, secure as any site Blizzard puts up. Naturally, if you are a retard who purchases from an unknown site simply because the price is too good to be true, well it probably is.
"The person who experiences greatness must have a feeling for the myth he is in."
well... calling DA2 a "human error" is like saying "NASA forgot to install the solid rocket booster engine on the space shuttle on launch day" a "human error":D unless YOU don't think it was THAT obvious of a mistake?:D
you can only blame so much on human error before it's classified as "yah, they did that on purpose cuz they sold out to EA and EA wanted to protect their investment in SWTOR so they diverted all the programmers to SWTOR instead...":D
well, i'll still be looking forward to how ME3 comes out, but i think their "pre order" numbers will definately be hurt this time around:)
Sorry but that analogy makes no sense. Because DA2 was working right out of the box so i have no idea how it can be compared to missing rocket booster engine on launch day. More like a broken space toilet i would say. You make it sound as if DA2 was a broken mess and didn't even install on your hard drive.
When I first heard about it I was stunned, and after several seconds I became indifferent. Diablo has always had people who sell items for cash, the fact that they are going to make it safe and secure to do so would be well worth them getting a cut if you choose to do so. So many of you are acting like this will be forced upon you or something. You do realize there will also be a seperate AH using gold right? And Im betting alot of people wont even use that. Get over it already.
About time this enter the gaming industry. Why should the chineses farmers and scumbag sites have this market share for them self and not the primary involved gamers.