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  • BladestromBladestrom Member UncommonPosts: 5,001

    Originally posted by free2play

    Originally posted by ExplodingPod


    Originally posted by free2play


    Originally posted by Komandor

    Well, you can try the trial and then see if it is your cup of tea.

     This is the simplest advice.

    - I absolutely loath PvP.

    That says you wont like EVE. PvE in EVE is for grinding ISK, nothing more. 90% of the ships won't be of any use to you. They are one trick pony, logistical PvP ships. You will fly missle barfing shield tanks and grind the same missions over and over. Don't bother thinking Incursion no matter what bait trolls in game try and convince you. They are not for players less than a year old. Just about anything will work on a Lv. 1 and 2, 3 is Drake and 4 is Nightmare or Golem. Grind them untill you get bored out of your skull. Venture in to low sec you will do well untill someone happens upon you. Then its dock up and log out. They will camp you untill you leave or they blow you up. The community you will face in public areas are smug, arrogant and childish.

    No, I don't "hate" EVE. I just know full well what its all about and I can tell you now you will leave frustrated and feeling betrayed. Depending on your luck or lack of it might take you a month, 6 months or longer but it will happen. It's just what EVE is.

    Respectfully, I don't think your experience with Eve was representative of most.  I moved to 0.0 solo when I was a month old and have pretty much stayed there (in and around Syndicate) since 2005.  I play solo 80% of the time.  I made a ton of cash and had a lot of fun with PVE stuff over the years.  If you get killed a lot (even in 0.0) then you are making mistakes or haven't developed effective techniques for doing what you need to do.  I never go looking for PVP in EvE... I pretty much look at the rest of the player base as a really good AI that's trying to kill you all the time.  That's why the game stays so good for so long.

    In any case, it sounds like you missed 90% of what the game is about.  Sorry it didn't work out for you, but I'm sure there are plenty of folks out there that will love the game just because it IS so challenging.

     My first 3 years was spent in Solitude low sec running solo in my own corp and while the game didn't have the grief and head ache it took on when I got involved in null politics I never made a ton of ISK. I just didnt have a measuring stick or a perspective on what a "ton of ISK" was. For those 3 years if I had 600 mill or so I was happy. Right now I'd say I have handy 30 billion and I know that's a drop in the bucket compared to what the people I compete against have. But the game really fell apart for me when I went on test server. I was able to in 2 months take Sov, make a station, 2 Titans and 3 Super carriers. The things that prevent me from doing that on sis are simply things I have no control over add in 200 billion ISK.

    I'm not going to take from your entertainment. If you enjoy the game after that many years, gratz to you and keep going. I think you are off target to say "most" will follow that template. Most will do what I did and much sooner than 3 years in. They will want to become part of the social scene and become involved in the game community and that's when it will decay.

    ive been playing about 7 weeks now pve, still loving the game, but you are right maybe I wil get nbored of it in a year or 2 years time.  However the game can change as well in that time.  What you have to ask yourself is does trying to discourage new blood from joining the game help the game, or is it bitterness and a bit of selfishness (not talking about you here, but the malady which is bitter 'dont join this game' posts)  Glass half full - imagine if 30,0000 people joined up due to some future changes to the game.  Anything is possible, so I prefer to hope for the half full glass :)  and if it doesnt turn out that way, then hey I still got a good year of entertainment out of a game.  Personally it looks as of 0.0 needs a huge shake-up + new content - it is stagnant.  That is very fixible in a game like this.  I say Jove invasion that both shakes up the political map and introduces new technology that gives more power to smaller clans :)

     

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  • free2playfree2play Member UncommonPosts: 2,043

    Originally posted by Bladestrom

    Originally posted by free2play

    Originally posted by ExplodingPod

    Originally posted by free2play

    Originally posted by Komandor

    Well, you can try the trial and then see if it is your cup of tea.

     This is the simplest advice.

    - I absolutely loath PvP.

    That says you wont like EVE. PvE in EVE is for grinding ISK, nothing more. 90% of the ships won't be of any use to you. They are one trick pony, logistical PvP ships. You will fly missle barfing shield tanks and grind the same missions over and over. Don't bother thinking Incursion no matter what bait trolls in game try and convince you. They are not for players less than a year old. Just about anything will work on a Lv. 1 and 2, 3 is Drake and 4 is Nightmare or Golem. Grind them untill you get bored out of your skull. Venture in to low sec you will do well untill someone happens upon you. Then its dock up and log out. They will camp you untill you leave or they blow you up. The community you will face in public areas are smug, arrogant and childish.

    No, I don't "hate" EVE. I just know full well what its all about and I can tell you now you will leave frustrated and feeling betrayed. Depending on your luck or lack of it might take you a month, 6 months or longer but it will happen. It's just what EVE is.

    Respectfully, I don't think your experience with Eve was representative of most.  I moved to 0.0 solo when I was a month old and have pretty much stayed there (in and around Syndicate) since 2005.  I play solo 80% of the time.  I made a ton of cash and had a lot of fun with PVE stuff over the years.  If you get killed a lot (even in 0.0) then you are making mistakes or haven't developed effective techniques for doing what you need to do.  I never go looking for PVP in EvE... I pretty much look at the rest of the player base as a really good AI that's trying to kill you all the time.  That's why the game stays so good for so long.

    In any case, it sounds like you missed 90% of what the game is about.  Sorry it didn't work out for you, but I'm sure there are plenty of folks out there that will love the game just because it IS so challenging.

     My first 3 years was spent in Solitude low sec running solo in my own corp and while the game didn't have the grief and head ache it took on when I got involved in null politics I never made a ton of ISK. I just didnt have a measuring stick or a perspective on what a "ton of ISK" was. For those 3 years if I had 600 mill or so I was happy. Right now I'd say I have handy 30 billion and I know that's a drop in the bucket compared to what the people I compete against have. But the game really fell apart for me when I went on test server. I was able to in 2 months take Sov, make a station, 2 Titans and 3 Super carriers. The things that prevent me from doing that on sis are simply things I have no control over add in 200 billion ISK.

    I'm not going to take from your entertainment. If you enjoy the game after that many years, gratz to you and keep going. I think you are off target to say "most" will follow that template. Most will do what I did and much sooner than 3 years in. They will want to become part of the social scene and become involved in the game community and that's when it will decay.

    ive been playing about 7 weeks now pve, still loving the game, but you are right maybe I wil get nbored of it in a year or 2 years time.  However the game can change as well in that time.  What you have to ask yourself is does trying to discourage new blood from joining the game help the game, or is it bitterness and a bit of selfishness (not talking about you here, but the malady which is bitter 'dont join this game' posts)  Glass half full - imagine if 30,0000 people joined up due to some future changes to the game.  Anything is possible, so I prefer to hope for the half full glass :)  and if it doesnt turn out that way, then hey I still got a good year of entertainment out of a game.  Personally it looks as of 0.0 needs a huge shake-up + new content - it is stagnant.  That is very fixible in a game like this.  I say Jove invasion that both shakes up the political map and introduces new technology that gives more power to smaller clans :)

     

     I never once said "Don't play EVE".

    OP said "I loathe PvP". EVE PvP is intrusive, game wide and never opportune for you. You are 7 weeks old. Your not a juicy target. You will be. Drones set to aggro in a Level 4? Wait untill someone comes in and flips loot from the wrecks and your drones auto attack him, he then jam/ crams you down while the mission PvE kills you. One of a thousand ways a small but very invasive few will make your game absolute misery and destroy months of work you were so proud of 5 minutes earlier. That said, play anyway. Just be prepared and ready to walk away when you get marked for griefing. Understand that EVE IS, WITHOUT question a full on PvP game.

    I'm not miserable. I just don't hesitate to make sure people know what this game is about. "EVE is a cold, unforgiving place" Described so by the people who made the game. And for the record I will end up back there. I will do so knowing full well what the game is like. CCPs fake adverts wont trick me back. No forum thread telling me how swell EVE has become will make me go back. Sometimes you want to crack some skulls and taste your own pixel blood. It's what EVE is. Mean and hatefull. I don't expect it to ever change. Maybe it shouldn't.

  • qazymanqazyman Member Posts: 1,785

    Originally posted by free2play

     
     I just don't hesitate to make sure people know what this game is about.

    Sorry M8, but I don't think you're being completely honest. Empire is about as safe as a game can be if that's what you want it to be. I ran missions six jumps from Jita for over two years on an alt, and never once spoke to another person on that character. During that time I had one person fly in on me, and he warped off the minute he saw me.

    Now it was boring as heil and I wouldn't play the game for that, but full on never safe.............You're just not right.

  • jarbyjarby Member Posts: 77

    my advice to new players try and play if you like. however dont expect much from eve. theres lots of grind, less freedom and as for me the game is not so cool as it was in the beginning.  lots of old players left eve this year and  i think not without a reason. thinking of leaving eve too.

  • KoyotiKoyoti Member Posts: 24

    Originally posted by jarby

    my advice to new players try and play if you like. however dont expect much from eve. theres lots of grind, less freedom and as for me the game is not so cool as it was in the beginning.  lots of old players left eve this year and  i think not without a reason. thinking of leaving eve too.

    Some parts you are right.

    I'm new player, and I love the game. (off course, I tired and bored every same dam MMO in market like WoW and clones)

    EVE its a completely new world for people that come from another WOW Clones.

    I played MMO for 5 years and I can say: EVE is great game since you have a lot of patience. How every one say: EVE is good after 6 months.

  • pexisxpexisx Member Posts: 11

    EVE is fun a lot faster, if you can find good group to fly with. Tacklers are always welcome :)

  • GrummeligGrummelig Member Posts: 13

    Recently I came across a forum post by someone playing and recommending EVE. Unfortunately I can't seem to find said post anymore, but one paragraph read roughly like this:

     

    "(...) yes I admit I am a griefer. There is nothing more fun than the feeling of knowing you just ruined someone's day."

     

    While disturbing on more than one level, this quote perfectly sums up the player attitude and mindset dominating EVE online.

    Combine this with the fact that PvP is possible literally everywhere at all times, once you leave the station, and you get a very unpleasant mix. What makes it so especially unpleasant is that rules of "common sense" don't apply anymore.

     

    For example one would  think that people would only conduct suicide-attacks when there is a chance at getting loot out of it that outweights the costs of their lost ship. Due to the above mentioned mindset though that logic does not hold true. If in any way remotely possible, people will kill you, regardless of how much it costs them and how little they get out of it money wise, just because they can. They will do whatever it takes to "ruin your day".

     

    Because of that, all the "if you do this, don't do that, and act so and so" advice at the very best delays the inevitable success of the griefers.

    This is what makes eve a rather unpleasant place. There are no "rules", no guidelines, nothing that you can follow to stay safe. You will be found and griefed, no matter what.

     

    Personally I would have liked to become part of something "bigger" in an mmo again. Joining a larger corporation, teaming up for maybe some large scale mining operations, or even better help build up and defend some null-sec. space. But that is not going to happen.

    First of all as a new(er) player no truly active corporation will take you seriously, and those that do offer to invite you are just trying to scam newbies, all in accordance with the initially quoted line of thought.

     

    Secondly, although that is mostly a matter of personal preference, when it comes to combat you have to stick with certain ship/weapon/tank combinations to be considered "worthwile" or effective. According to those in what seems to be an Alt-corporation of 5 or 6 guys that I ended up in due to a friend getting me in, daring to fly a Rokh, a Ferox, or any other non-missile using shield tank is a total no go. For that matter it is "Amarr only! Or you are inferior!". And while I don't believe in the total black-and-white character of that, there has to be some truth to it, effectively eliminating any combat-ship options potentially enjoyable for me.

     

    Going down the "peaceful" industrial route is even more of a no-go, again due to the griefer nature of the game's playerbase. Flying an industrial or mining/ORE ship of the first few tiers would be almost instant suicide. As soon as anyone finds/sees you, you are toast.

     

    I wish it was different. EVE is a rich game, a game of extremes though. Unfortunately that goes in both directions, good and bad.

  • ZoobiZoobi Member UncommonPosts: 115

    Grummelig,

     

    The way new players play this is game to buy a few plex. Sell them for ISK then use this ISK to boost their way past skill training times, by buying an already established toon, and past PvE grinding into the "endgame". For some reason, the current eve community seem to think this is not a pay 2 win system.

     

    Of course, there will be those that play the game as it was originally intended to be played but in my experience they are becoming a smaller part of the community as ccp chase cash around the internet.

     

    cheers! :-)

  • kovahkovah Member UncommonPosts: 692

    So much ignorance in the above two posts it's not even worth attempting to break them down and reply.  Wow, just wow.

    Bad trolls are bad.

  • GrummeligGrummelig Member Posts: 13

    Originally posted by kovah

    So much ignorance in the above two posts it's not even worth attempting to break them down and reply.  Wow, just wow.

    Bad trolls are bad.

    So much arrogance in the above post it's not even worth attempting to break it down and reply.  Wow, just wow.

    Bad troll is bad.

  • kovahkovah Member UncommonPosts: 692

    Well played Grumm.  I'll give you credit for giving the game a shot before you came to your conclusions which is more than most but your short time in such an extensive game is hardly enough to bash it like you do.

    Here's some food for thought:  I've been playing EVE off and on since 2004.  My char has near 70m skill points.  I've done mostly (75%) high-sec PvE mission running.  I can't count on one hand the number of times I've been ganked.  Ya know why?  Cause I have never been ganked.  I've been "ninja looted" and I've done some ninja looting...  :p  But nope, never been ganked.  Maybe I'm just lucky?  I'd say 7 years and 70m skill points is a fair amount of time in-game so...  That's some "luck" eh?

    So this whole "you WILL be ganked" always makes me roll my eyes.  *shrug*  Sure, it's quite possible, and sure, it does happen - but it certainly isn't gauranteed. 

    Cheers mate - and hopefully you'll do as I have done so many times: quit and come back.  EVE is full of win and so few other MMOs can say that.

  • elistrangeelistrange Member Posts: 157

    EvE has a lot to offer people of every play style. However, it is what I call a thoughtful game. You seriously do have to think, plan and then execute that plan.

    I love the sandbox aspect of the game. I enjoy the PVP and PVE aspect of the game. However, I lean heavily on the PVE side. I mine, explore, and I am considering manufactoring eventually. I manage some planets, and I have a pretty good time overall.

    However, i am super casual, and I am not in an active guild and I don't really have time to be. I have a pretty hardcore IRL job, and that keeps me uber busy. But, EVE accomodates this because,  don't have to be online to get any better, however, it does limit me, because I am can't be in an active guild.

    If you want to PVP and have low skill points, be a high sec pirate...annoy miners, and mission runners. Pirating in low and null are not really that fun. People like to blob people. My best advice would be to join an ACTIVE guild. If you have time to devote to EVE you will have seriously more fun with other people. EVE University may be a good option for you.Good Luck.

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  • Magicmud83Magicmud83 Member Posts: 9

    I played EvE for about 6 months wanting to pvp from day 1 and set my skills up for it, read guidies, watched videos on the games pvp to learn faster. Got the pvp ships I wanted to use and fit them pretty nice with t2 mostly and was using ingame $ to buy plexs to keep me going after the first month but there was one huge problem.....all these "good guilds" that pvp don't want you.

    I am not a guild hopper but I spent alot of my time just trying to meet someone to help me get into the world of pvp, I joined 2-3 corps in my time on eve with each of them claiming to do pvp ops at least 1-2 times a week but really all they did was do high sec missions with ore/ice ops. After 3-4 months I took matters into my own hands and rounded up 1-3 corp members and took them out to pvp in low sec or WH's most of the time we didn't find anyone or could catch them but the times we did I ended up doing the tackling, tanking, damage, and FC while flying a Harb since the guys with me even though have been playing for years had very poor pvp fits and would run if targeted. We got a few kills but would always be soon outmatched by fleets 2x-3x our size or more.

    From my exp with Eve it can be fun if you find the right group of ppl but the ppl you are looking for don't need or want a new player and if you plan to pvp like I did you'll find they want you to have a good KB (killboard of the ships you have killed or lost) and you can't get a good KB when the only corps that will take you in are miners/indy/inactive.

     

    Eve is a old game and the players out their fighting for sov or owning sov are all old players or buddys of old players, your not going to enjoy the game untill you spend a year or more not enjoying it.

  • HazelleHazelle Member Posts: 760

    Originally posted by kovah

    Well played Grumm.  I'll give you credit for giving the game a shot before you came to your conclusions which is more than most but your short time in such an extensive game is hardly enough to bash it like you do.

    Here's some food for thought:  I've been playing EVE off and on since 2004.  My char has near 70m skill points.  I've done mostly (75%) high-sec PvE mission running.  I can't count on one hand the number of times I've been ganked.  Ya know why?  Cause I have never been ganked.  I've been "ninja looted" and I've done some ninja looting...  :p  But nope, never been ganked.  Maybe I'm just lucky?  I'd say 7 years and 70m skill points is a fair amount of time in-game so...  That's some "luck" eh?

    So this whole "you WILL be ganked" always makes me roll my eyes.  *shrug*  Sure, it's quite possible, and sure, it does happen - but it certainly isn't gauranteed. 

    Cheers mate - and hopefully you'll do as I have done so many times: quit and come back.  EVE is full of win and so few other MMOs can say that.

    Agree'd - i've been playing for a few years too and while in high sec I've only been attacked once in my early years during a mining session and the dude lost his destroyer to CONCORD. I'm mostly an industrialist/trader these days moving very pricey items around so if anyone is going to get targeted for suicide gank it would definitely be me.   So far nothing.

    To the OP:  you've found one bad gamer out of 40,000 daily players and as a result you're choosing not to play?  Do you leave your house?  In America 1 out of 20000 people will be murdered.

     

     

  • UnholyVashXUnholyVashX Member Posts: 49

    Originally posted by Magicmud83

    I played EvE for about 6 months wanting to pvp from day 1 and set my skills up for it, read guidies, watched videos on the games pvp to learn faster. Got the pvp ships I wanted to use and fit them pretty nice with t2 mostly and was using ingame $ to buy plexs to keep me going after the first month but there was one huge problem.....all these "good guilds" that pvp don't want you.

    I am not a guild hopper but I spent alot of my time just trying to meet someone to help me get into the world of pvp, I joined 2-3 corps in my time on eve with each of them claiming to do pvp ops at least 1-2 times a week but really all they did was do high sec missions with ore/ice ops. After 3-4 months I took matters into my own hands and rounded up 1-3 corp members and took them out to pvp in low sec or WH's most of the time we didn't find anyone or could catch them but the times we did I ended up doing the tackling, tanking, damage, and FC while flying a Harb since the guys with me even though have been playing for years had very poor pvp fits and would run if targeted. We got a few kills but would always be soon outmatched by fleets 2x-3x our size or more.

    From my exp with Eve it can be fun if you find the right group of ppl but the ppl you are looking for don't need or want a new player and if you plan to pvp like I did you'll find they want you to have a good KB (killboard of the ships you have killed or lost) and you can't get a good KB when the only corps that will take you in are miners/indy/inactive.

     

    Eve is a old game and the players out their fighting for sov or owning sov are all old players or buddys of old players, your not going to enjoy the game untill you spend a year or more not enjoying it.

    I saw this same trend (unless you're willing to join newer corps). One thing I will say is that people in EVE are a lot nicer than in other games (besides the gankers of course) and it is a fun game. The problem is I found it WAY too time intensive. I have a job and a fiance and wasn't willing to commit that kind of time.

     

    My biggest problem was that I wanted to be a miner and my corp, which was primarilly an industrial corp, was so constantly at war that I wasn't "allowed" to do mining unless I left my corp first until the war was over. Now I played risky because my motto was 'go big or go home', and it paid off well. But when my own corp was yelling at me for playing how I wanted I figured it just wasn't worth the time investment.

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  • Ghost021Ghost021 Member Posts: 84
    Ach... don't go around saying do this or that in the hopes that you`ve just posted the holy grail of survival in EvE...

    Like everything in life ... surviving in EvE is a question of atitude and smarts.. with a hole lotta luck in the mix.

    If you don't like PVP you can PVE alright but just try to stay away from trade and mission hubs... of course you won't because thats were the money is, thats were the ships and modules and all those fat oportunities to make big ISK are.. and thats were more than half of the griefers, pirates and general idiots are...

    My 5cents here.. try to find a calm spot were you can just play and get confortable with the game, be on top of the pirate storys and wars, those influence alot the life in highsex... trust me on this one, 99% of the times you get to be visited by your pirate welcome party or a boost in demand for particular items due to some nullsec event of latest fluff that someone cooked up.. that or... well you just made yourself noticed by some curious guy who wanted to investigate why the heck someone lifes in that part of the galaxy were no one wanders to...

    As to the playerbase, there are some nice folks there.. but those represent 1% of the comunity, mostly you come accross with sheep, people trying to exercise their epeen on the webz and proposing you heaven and hell at the cost of nothing, or simply your power hungry dictator that thinks he's right and all other are wrong.. or a griefer / scammer / whatever...

    I lived in lowsec, high sec, no sec at all and all i can tell you is you are nowhere safe, when people get into their heads they want to pop you out.. they will try their damnest to do so, and more so by people that you "know".

    Eve is the perfect game to demonstrate the worst side of your personality simply because the game is an unpersonall space.. after all who cares.. you are one in hundreds of people.

    Is the game fun? Well... i had my fun since 2003 until now, quited the game in the beggining of the year, i personally don't like the plex system, the way the game is rulled ( goonidiots and all ) and the latest cash shops.. CCP calls it a trend, i say screw them, i pay to play and people that get their better gear and isk simply because they've injected 200€ or more per month in the game is not my ideia of fun.

    That said, get into a trial and see if the games suits you, who knows, you may get to aquaint yourself with your inner griefer...

    Have fun.

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  • qazymanqazyman Member Posts: 1,785

    Originally posted by Grummelig

    Recently I came across a forum post by someone playing and recommending EVE. Unfortunately I can't seem to find said post anymore, but one paragraph read roughly like this:

     

    "(...) yes I admit I am a griefer. There is nothing more fun than the feeling of knowing you just ruined someone's day."

     

    While disturbing on more than one level, this quote perfectly sums up the player attitude and mindset dominating EVE online.

    I wish it was different. EVE is a rich game, a game of extremes though. Unfortunately that goes in both directions, good and bad.


    M8 this is where the term, "you just don't get it" comes from.


     


    What you are talking about, IMHO, is how the game plays from a PVE point of view. Honestly, grievers are the only thing that makes EVE's PVE enjoyable. Without them it would be easy and boring.


     


     Yes they can be inconvenient, but they also add excitement.


     


    Without them the games PVE would be flat and stall., and with them it's harder and more dangerous and still financially rewarding.


     


     More challenge, More excitement.....


     


    These are good things for any game, and any serious gamer appreciates the effort of these players to add to the game.

  • HazelleHazelle Member Posts: 760


    Grief play


    What is grief play?


    Griefing

    A grief player, or "griefer," is a player who devotes much of his time to making others’ lives miserable, in a large part deriving his enjoyment of the game from these activities while he does not profit from it in any way. Grief tactics are the mechanics a griefer will utilize to antagonize other players. At our discretion, players who are found to be consistently maliciously interfering with the game experience for others may receive a warning, temporary suspension or permanent banning of his account.

    This should not be confused with standard conflict that might arise between two (or more) players, such as corporation wars. The EVE universe is a harsh universe largely driven by such conflict and notice must be taken of the fact that nonconsensual combat alone is not considered to be grief play per the above definition.

     

    An example of grief play would be the so called "Can baiting" in starter systems. An experienced player drops a cargo container with some items in front of a station in a starter system and waits for a new player to take from it. The new player is flagged and promptly attacked and killed by the owner of the container. Doing the same in starter tutorial complexes is also considered grief play and will not be tolerated.  

    http://support.eveonline.com/Pages/KB/Article.aspx?id=336 


  • GrummeligGrummelig Member Posts: 13

    Originally posted by qazyman




    M8 this is where the term, "you just don't get it" comes from.


     

     (...)


     


    any serious gamer appreciates the effort of these players to add to the game.

    (note to anyone not having read the original post this was taken from: the talk is about deliberate/dedicated griefers)

     

    You know, I don't make a habbit of responding to individual posts (if I did I would have taken care of that super silly "do you leave your house? in the US x people get shot" comment), let alone allowing myself to get dragged down in such internet mud-wrestling contests. Normally I stick to just reading about things that are or were of interest and/or entertainment to me. And I have come across a lot of people and their posts full of... to put it as mildy as possible, "obscure" points of view. Also, I really do try to respect other people's opinions, but the above quote... it is just so way beyond. I honestly cannot find fitting words to appropriately describe that kind of attitude without  getting righfully banned.

    Granted, it could just be an attempt at trolling, but the thought that there might indeed be people on this world who actually believe what the quoted poster said is shocking, again on more than one level.

     

    Suppose I will simply answer

    "M8, this is where the term "completely delusional" comes from."

     

    To end on a positive note, the simple fact that somebody actually posted a comment like the one in discussion definitely made the decision to not continue playing EVE look even more right, and more permanent too, as opposed to something that might have gotten revised in the future.

  • kovahkovah Member UncommonPosts: 692

    Argh.  I'm annoyed that I feel the need to defend his post Grum.  EvE allows for that type of gameplay.  Just because a dedicated griefer's style of gameplay differs from yours does not make it "wrong" or "bad", sorry.  That's the beauty of the sandbox.  Yes, there are a**holes in EvE just like there are a**holes in real-life.  Fortunately in EvE there are means to avoid them.  I haven't found the means to avoid the a**holes that can't drive in real-life though - got any tips?

     

    :D

    <3

  • TalonsinTalonsin Member EpicPosts: 3,619

    I really loved Eve but many aspects of it just require too much time.  Even in 0.0 space, it takes time to get anything done.  As an example, the OP starts at 12:00, after waiting around for straglers and last minutes changes, OP starts at 12:25.  Fly to jumpbridge and wait, go through jumpbridge and wait for everyone.  Fly to gate, wait for scout to report, fly through gate, get to target at 1:30.  PVP for 15 minutes, now fly back home. 

    I started manufacturing, fly to Jita for lowest price on mats, fly to POS and start jobs.  Log in every 5 hours and screw around with PI for cheaper mats, fly to every planet you are using for PI at least once a week to pick up mats and then fly to system where POS is.  Fly to Jita to drop off product to sell, watch out for suicide gate campers or lose a weeks worth of hard work. 

    In the end, I felt Eve was a second job and decided it was more work than fun and left.  I still miss it sometimes but I know I just dont have the time it takes to enjoy the game.

    "Sean (Murray) saying MP will be in the game is not remotely close to evidence that at the point of purchase people thought there was MP in the game."  - SEANMCAD

  • JuggerzJuggerz Member UncommonPosts: 76

    Eve is most likely the biggest 'i want to waste all my life watching space' type of game....

     

    it is literally humungous! (fuck my spelling)!

    U will spend a good few days doing the tutorial (and yes, u NEED to do it...)

     

    Atleast do the 30day trial u can get from Steam and then if u enjoy it, go for it :-) i didnt tho...

  • jpnolejpnole Member UncommonPosts: 1,698

    OP - don't even bother. EVE plays more like a Zynga facebook game. All you're doing is levelling up skills offline. Who wants to wait a year to get anything worthwhile? It's way too much of a time sink and there is no real gameplay anyway.... it's all a big boring sim.

     

    On 12/20 you can get your space mmo fix with SWTOR.

  • InktomiInktomi Member UncommonPosts: 663

    Hey OP, I'm not going to tell you how to play. Played EVE for a few years on and off. I still have good connects to a decent alliance. If you decide to play it send me a PM, I'll give you my friends contact details.

    Now before you start your journey as a space cowboy you have to ask yourself a few things.

    Do I like to play with ships that have a lot of drones and tank by my armor?

    If yes choose Gallante.

    Do I like to use shield and shoot mizziles?

    If yes choose caldari.

    Do I like to fly rustbuckets, shoot bullets and use armor, ductape and gum to tank my ship?

    If yes choose Minmater. (PS, I was minmater)

    Do I like to shoot pewpew layzors and tank with armor in cool looking ships?

    If yes then choose Amarr.

    You can mix and match weapons and armor typs, but that's the basic breakdown.

    #1 PVE ship = Drake (Caldari)

    #1 PVP ship = Hurricane (Minmater)

    Everything else you will learn along the way.

    If you need any other help, ask me.

    Good luck

  • kovahkovah Member UncommonPosts: 692

    Very frustrating the number of folks who didn't bother to read the whole thread.

    You had time to check the site.  You had time to read a post.  But you dinna have time to read the whole thread.  Yes, I'm sure your real life comitments prevent you from being able to read an entire thread but do us a favor and don't post to said threads if you can't bother to read the whole thing.

    Just saying.

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