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How this game almost died...two days ago.
Hyperion5182
Member Posts: 66
By now if you've been following this, or just about anything EA. You know of the disaster that is Origin and its outright spyware level policies employed in its EULA.
I dont have links specifically but mainly because the main sources of information deleted threads when they turned into flamewars. Look for clause or article 9 of the EULA of this program for what were talking about.
Until it was cleared up very recently it was assumed that EA would require origin. (About two days ago) The game will not require origin but that should not stop people from protesting this service. It is required for BF 3 and the new Need for speed. This service is a breach of security on a level i havent seen out of a company in a long time. Even without this game requiring origin i have strong reservations of buying it now.
EA was dead to me years ago. Bioware brought EA back from the dead. Now its closing back on me putting the final nail in the coffin. Origin is the single greatest threat to your computer's security you can willingly and knowingly inflict on it. If origin had been required for this game i doubt many who read this thread would have kept their pre orders. What id like to know is who would have kept their preorders?
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It's been known way longer than two days TOR will not require Origin, that's been known since they announced the service.
Matter of fact it was known before pre-orders were available if memory serves me correct. Considering that I doubt it would effect many peoples decision.
To SB fans, please stop making our demographic look bad.Stop invading threads that have nothing to do with sandboxes.
SW:TOR Graphics Evolution and Comparison
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I would have kept my pre order, how is this any different than using steam or live. They all require ridiculous levels of control and access.
Yeah, unfortunately I don't see this as anything new.
SWTOR was dead to me soon as I realized the combat was the same as Rift or WoW. It could have the best visuals in the entire video game industry, 1.5 seconds between every action puts me to sleep. Especially when deciding what action to take is a pretty mindless excercise in itself. No, they did not trade speed or twitch for more strategy based gameplay. Give it up.
EA has been dead to me ever since they shut down EnB.
As for the OP, I don't think its so much that it will require origin, its what was recently learned what Origin does exactly, rather than vague descriptions from the company.
You obviously know nothing of MMO combat design if you don't think there is knowledge and strategy invloved.
To SB fans, please stop making our demographic look bad.Stop invading threads that have nothing to do with sandboxes.
SW:TOR Graphics Evolution and Comparison
SW:TOR Compare MMO Quests, Combat and More...
Because Origin is in competition with Steam.
On a side note Steam can rot in hell.
Amazing how much you THINK you know about the game, and how terribly wrong you are.
Back on topic, it has been know for AGES that SWTOR doesn't require Origin.
But I agree, there is no way that Origin will ever be installed on any computer that I own.
No, I know lots. I've tested more MMO's than most people have played.
Save for a few 'temps' and big abilities on long reuse, you can tie all DPS abilities in a certain order to one button, and get maximum performance. I certainly hope you aren't going off the BS dev videos where they try and shoe horn 'strategy' via narration into the fights when a simple attack order would have done just as well if not better.
You are suggesting that people should re-considering buying TOR based on information that has nothing to do with TOR. That's really below the belt mate...
There's so much wrong with what you just said, an attack order is meaningless if someone breaks a snare in there or heals a dot you're counting on.
I couldn't care less how many MMO's you've tested, take your my attack order beats all, into any circle of knowledgable gamers and come back to me.
To SB fans, please stop making our demographic look bad.Stop invading threads that have nothing to do with sandboxes.
SW:TOR Graphics Evolution and Comparison
SW:TOR Compare MMO Quests, Combat and More...
I bet those idiots who complain about Origins security features, use valves steam client, yet convieniently forgot to read the steam terms and conditions.
The most funny part with all this bitching about this and that company has access to some of our personal sales data and our hardware. You should try doing a basic search in any browser, using your real name and you'd be surprised how much info is just sitting there plain as day for anyone to see. Address, phone numbers, age, info on your entire family...etc etc
If someone wants to know something about you, they're going to find out very easily, so this trifle bit of detail from Origin or Steam is nothing to be concerned with. Still though, I don't plan on using Origin, cause I rarely buy digital games and while I do have Steam installed, I've only used it 2-3 times on deals I couldn't get elsewhere, but in all honesty, it doesn't bother me due to the latter.
So as far as the topic goes...if you really think this would effect SW:TOR in any way, you're horribly mistaken...
I know this is off topic but can anyone quickly explain to me why you all hate steam so much?
Im having a hardtime seeing the negative other than it needs to be running.
I can to keep all of my games in one place, i get ingame chat via text and voice and i get to meet new people through steam groups.
I just don't understand the hate.
As for origins, I dont like EAs service so i cancelled my pre-order with them and plan on waiting on a trial to mess with TOR.
Playing: Nothing
Looking forward to: Nothing
I have an honest question. If I buy the game box at retail, bring it home, install and use, am I in any kind of real risk regarding privacy and security?
The OP mentioned something about about EA being bad for your PC. Im confused how this actually works? I dont ever download anything. I just buy the box. I prefer it that way as I see no real advantage to buying online. Besides having to go to the store.
Yep...But peoplel will still complain about the facts. They always hate the truth sayer. MMORPG's are not single player games. So why would you need it? Does steam do this?
Nope, you do not have to have Origin installed on your PC to play SW:TOR regardless of how you bought it.
~{The digital ver however, is only available through Origin because EA is butt-hurt over Steam making a fortune with their service, so they started their own and pulled all their games from Steam and blamed them due to some kind of policy or whatever, though it never effected EAs titles before they decided to start Origin. Its just EA being EA per usual.}~
However, as far as there being a risk to your privacy and security. Well, anytime your on the internet you're at risk, but that all depends on the users actions, what sites they visit, do they have a proper anti-virus installed and updated...etc etc etc
That all really depends on what YOU consider to be unsafe and a breach of your privacy.
Is origin safe? By what most people consider yes. You will not be "Harmed" by using it, steam, or most of the other competing services.
Is origin a violation of your privacy?
Well... that depends. Some of your information will be stored as demographic information, very similar to what websites and google use to target you. Your system specs and the game you purchase from them will be "known" so that they can offer to promote similar products to you. Very similar to what pretty much everyone else does.
If you find it a breach of privacy for the company that you buy things from to know what you bought and keep track of the things you are interested in, then yes its a breach, however, you will then pretty much need to stop using the internet 100% as google, 90% of most websites, your grocery store... etc etc have all been tracking this stuff for years.
In reality this is a non-issue that someone who hates EA is trying to make an issue. If you dont have a tin foil hat and arent afraid of "the man" then simply ignore this.
well since his complaints are in regards to EA's Orirgin download service and TOR is not linked to origin except that you can buy the game from the origin store(which doesn't require using the origin downloader) there shouldn't be any problem unless you find something in the TOR EULA you don't like
StephenReid General Discussion -> EA has crossed the line
Regardless of what other games may choose to do in their integration with Origin's desktop client, here's what our situation is:
You are not required to use the Origin desktop client to download, patch or play the game client for Star Wars: The Old Republic.
This applies whether you purchase The Old Republic via Origin.com or from a retailer in boxed form. You will not be forced to install the Origin desktop client.
There are still various consumer benefits to the client itself, but it's not required for The Old Republic.
This is correct, AND, this topic is already being addressed on MMORPG.com. So why another thread?
What info are they taking? info on thegames i buy and play? wouldnt that data be helpful to them in knowing what game types to support in the future? I personally like that they recommend me games on my purchase history...
Late addition:
I guess im a newb i like to think of the benefits of using steam, like a free voice chat option in almostt all of my games so me and my clan can chat while we game, things like achievements and the convenience of keeping all of my games together and updated. Shit Steam even updates my AMD display drivers now lol.
For all of that their service offers me that i dont have to pay for unlike ones from microsoft, the least i can do is give them some of my activity data so they could make my future experience better.
Maybe im missing something, are they giving my CC info away? will i be getting physical mail sent to my house because of steam? lol
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All i read here is someone getting pissy about the origin service. I don't see any evidence of how the game "almost died"
Hmmm, Origin consumer # 8736837 just purchased a copy of GW2 . . .
EXTERMINATE EXTERMINATE!!
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Your not a powerful insider like the op. He came this close to pulling the plug on the game. Luckily EA gave into his demands at the last minute. We game this close to not being able to play SWTOR.
apparently EA has gone and changed the EULA:
http://www.gamespot.com/news/6331203/ea-changes-origin-eula?tag=updates%3Beditor%3Ball%3Bimg%3B1
Earlier this week, Electronic Arts became a subject of controversy after customers took exception to the end-user license agreement in the publisher's Origin downloadable game service. While EA did not return requests for comment at the time, it did amend the EULA in question in ways that may address some of the users' concerns.
EA has revised its Origin EULA.
The newest Origin EULA (which went into effect on Wednesday) specifically addresses some privacy concerns in the section "Consent to collection and use of data."
According to the current agreement, "EA would never sell your personally identifiable information to anyone, nor would it ever use spyware or install spyware on users' machines. We and agents acting on our behalf do not share information that personally identifies you without your consent, except in rare instances where disclosure is required by law or to enforce EA's legal rights."
While the wording on collecting information about a user's computer, operating system, software, and software usage remains mostly intact, another clause from the agreement no longer appears. That now-omitted line originally stated, "EA may also use this information combined with personal information for marketing purposes and to improve our products and services. We may also share that data with our third party service providers in a form that does not personally identify you." In fact, the new EULA makes no mention of marketing at all.
The third section in the EULA, "Application communications and conduct/privacy settings," has also changed considerably. It no longer includes wording that "EA reserves the right to monitor communications on the Application and disclose any information EA deems necessary," nor does it specify that if users don't agree to EA's collection, they shouldn't install the application.
EA has run into privacy concerns in the past. Most notably, in 2006 the publisher first revealed that it had begun collecting users' data as a way to target and deliver in-game advertisements to players.
I would be with you if the benefit was just tailoring a better experience for you, recommending things you might like based on what your browse, buy, etc.
What I don't like is, they SELL all that data to anyone who will buy it. They make millions a year off of selling your personal browsing, activity etc data.
If the information was used for their own purposes to just try to sell you more, I wouldn't mind. Kind of like amazon does. I've discovered a few gems that I would never have found if they didn't recommend them. From what i understand, they (amazon) does not sell your infomation to outside companies like with steam, but use it solely for their own marketing purposes.