"I mean, Yoda spent most of a movie talking in a raspy voice to a young man while a fist was up his ass to the elbow, but somehow same sex relations were an altogether alien concept?"
I COULDN'T BREATH after reading this statment. Just priceless.
Most of the points he made as well, weren't really fully explored, and were rather made to sound trite. It was almost a seemingly juvinile view on all three listed points. Wasnt a fan. Didnt say it was awful....but no....it wasnt what I would consider "good" in any sense.
Coyote has written far better articles in the past, and Im sure he will again.
If the writer is the same writer, with the same personality and way of thinking, are you sure that you just didn't find the article a good one because you didn't really agree with the points he was trying to make or how he sees things, in just the same way that people who found the article great are saying it because they agree with his viewpoint?
Originally posted by ShredderSE
NGE killed SWG and I will never forgive them for that. And I do not trust them anymore.
SWTOR will fail from start, so will not even buy it. I canceled my pre-order.
Why will it fail? Too cartoonish, childish, WoWish and too much single player for a mmorpg. The combat also look boring. It will follow AoC, high pop the first weeks and then it will die.
This is the kind of reasoning and argumentation that makes me relate very much to the article writer's mindset.
The ease with which predictions are made on these forums: Fratman: "I'm saying Spring 2012 at the earliest [for TOR release]. Anyone still clinging to 2011 is deluding themself at this point."
Why do we constantly feel the need to walk on eggshells with homosexuals? What if there were only same race relationships? Would that make Bioware racists? Does the fact that there are relationships between different species make them zoophiles? It's like all people know how to do anymore is whine and complain. It doesn't matter what you do somebody is gonna throw a fit about it.
Most of the points he made as well, weren't really fully explored, and were rather made to sound trite. It was almost a seemingly juvinile view on all three listed points. Wasnt a fan. Didnt say it was awful....but no....it wasnt what I would consider "good" in any sense.
Coyote has written far better articles in the past, and Im sure he will again.
If the writer is the same writer, with the same personality and way of thinking, are you sure that you just didn't find the article a good one because you didn't really agree with the points he was trying to make or how he sees things, in just the same way that people who found the article great are saying it because they agree with his viewpoint?
Originally posted by ShredderSE
NGE killed SWG and I will never forgive them for that. And I do not trust them anymore.
SWTOR will fail from start, so will not even buy it. I canceled my pre-order.
Why will it fail? Too cartoonish, childish, WoWish and too much single player for a mmorpg. The combat also look boring. It will follow AoC, high pop the first weeks and then it will die.
This is the kind of reasoning and argumentation that makes me relate very much to the article writer's mindset.
This is so pathetic it’s actually funny. The original writings are humorous with a collection of opinions which don’t aid or hinder the game what-so-ever. This fact alone should not inspire the amount of irrational responses it has, unless of course this game is the only way closet homosexuals can express themselves?
If your happiness is affected by the inclusion of same sex relationships in a game then you really need to go out into the real world. I live in a very repressed location with a very old fashioned and religious extended family surrounding me yet being gay is no longer a big deal, my son is gay, many of his friends are gay and yes some of these people (ok just two) are looking forward to the Star Wars MMORPG... In fact when I showed my homosexual (I have to include to highlight the point) son this thread he laughed, walked away and said the F word – and it wasn’t four lettered.
In all honesty this hatred and anger only comes from being repressed or bullied, but it’s not the MMORPG’s community or developer’s job to resolve that. Whoever gets angered and upset over the game not catering to all gender, sexuality, ethnicity is without a doubt a FOOL. It’s a game, pure and simple. It doesn’t HAVE to cater to any specific user base and the fact so many people were angered by the game not incorporating their same sex relationship escapism only highlights the impossible task a game developer has today!
I’m not expecting to be able to make a fat, old, overly hairy, English Indian man and I’m not in the slightest bit bothered. Should I be? Should I gather my fat brethren and like children in a toy shop stamp our feet and demand dialogue options for being out of breath or perhaps the chance to wield two drum sticks in combat? Why are the most stupid, selfish and hateful the most vocal and driven? And now imagine how the world would be if that wasn’t the case...
Wow... just because of this article, I'm so rolling a homosexual Sith Inquisitor. I get to hate on people, shoot lightning AND love musicals like Rent. Fan-f**cking-tastic!
The ease with which predictions are made on these forums: Fratman: "I'm saying Spring 2012 at the earliest [for TOR release]. Anyone still clinging to 2011 is deluding themself at this point."
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Originally posted by KanoRain
Awful article that should not be allowed to be posted. Essentially it's a giant FUCK YOU to a large portion of MMORPG's readers, and this reviewer should be shot behind the barn.
"I mean, Yoda spent most of a movie talking in a raspy voice to a young man while a fist was up his ass to the elbow, but somehow same sex relations were an altogether alien concept?"
This is so pathetic it’s actually funny. The original writings are humorous with a collection of opinions which don’t aid or hinder the game what-so-ever. This fact alone should not inspire the amount of irrational responses it has, unless of course this game is the only way closet homosexuals can express themselves?
If your happiness is affected by the inclusion of same sex relationships in a game then you really need to go out into the real world. I live in a very repressed location with a very old fashioned and religious extended family surrounding me yet being gay is no longer a big deal, my son is gay, many of his friends are gay and yes some of these people (ok just two) are looking forward to the Star Wars MMORPG... In fact when I showed my homosexual (I have to include to highlight the point) son this thread he laughed, walked away and said the F word – and it wasn’t four lettered.
In all honesty this hatred and anger only comes from being repressed or bullied, but it’s not the MMORPG’s community or developer’s job to resolve that. Whoever gets angered and upset over the game not catering to all gender, sexuality, ethnicity is without a doubt a FOOL. It’s a game, pure and simple. It doesn’t HAVE to cater to any specific user base and the fact so many people were angered by the game not incorporating their same sex relationship escapism only highlights the impossible task a game developer has today!
I’m not expecting to be able to make a fat, old, overly hairy, English Indian man and I’m not in the slightest bit bothered. Should I be? Should I gather my fat brethren and like children in a toy shop stamp our feet and demand dialogue options for being out of breath or perhaps the chance to wield two drum sticks in combat? Why are the most stupid, selfish and hateful the most vocal and driven? And now imagine how the world would be if that wasn’t the case...
TL:DR Rough translation: I'm a creepy dude who likes to look up big words to empower myself because my voice will be heard by people who matter. Oh, wait...
1 - I do not think that ToR will end up being screwed like SWG was by a Future NGE. While I can understand some people having lost trust towards Lucas Arts over NGE, these are two different games in two different times part of two different partnerships.
And besides, SW:TOR has been designed from the ground up to be what NGE tried to do, so there is no chance that a TOR-NGE will be introduced ever.
Now if you want to argue that, SW:TOR even if set in SW setting will not be like SWG (Pre-NGE), then I can agree with that, and I do not plan to play SW:TOR personally because it is nothing like SWG. One was Sandbox the other is Themepark. I am not interested in the Progression or Story Oriented gameplay of Themepark games, these are not fun for me in the long run and only keep my attention for a couple of months.
2 - Pretty much agree here. While I think Story is a very important part of an MMORPG, I disagree with the way it is implemented here. But that is a question of Taste. And there is no right or wrong in reality. Those who enjoy a Story Plastered progression as Opposed to a Story lacking Progression will enjoy the game.
To me it makes no difference, what I really dislike is the Progression Oriented Gameplay of Themeparks, story or no story, it does not change the nature of the gameplay in my view.
So I will not be playing SW:TOR, but I am not a moron nevertheless.
3 - This well, I agree and have no comments in relation to the Sex of the NPC companion, we live in the 21st century for crying out loud, it is about time we stop our connection to 2000 years old arcane views.
In terms of gameplay on the other hand, I see this feature like yet another step in to the Themepark design of segragating people further within an MMORPG. I mean...a first step was to have Solo Play within an MMORPG, WoW did this, now SW:ToR is taking it a step further, you do not even need to Socialise with other players anymore, now you will Socialise with NPC's...in an MMORPG.
How much further down the drain will the Themepark Design bring MMORPGs? It remains to be seen, it never seazes to appal me however.
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They should never have caved over the gays for god sake it's a game and the star wars universe where there are no gays in the lore they will breakback mountain the damn thing
Maybe you should go back and read about the lore before making a foul of yourself!
Bioware said that the game was to reflect the movies. There are no gays in any of the movies. I know people like to stretch and say Juhani was gay, because of same dialogue that was uniform regardless of the sex of your character but that is all debatable in my opinion. Secondarily, yes I know about the two Mandolorian characters, but that's really it, and that's a very very small portion of the Star Wars universe. It's nowhere near as prevalent as Bioware or the loud minority is making it out to be.
And if you want to play your characters as straight, do so. This doesn't affect you AT ALL. Any NPC romancing will be done in private cut scenes for the player ONLY. But in a typical anti-gay argument...you don't like it so no one else can do it, even in private.
I think that people should be allowed to do whatever they want in private, absolutely anything at all, so long as what they are doing isn't hurtful to someone else or illegal of course. While yes what they are doing is private, I find it offensive that I have to look at a "flirt" button next to a portrait/character of a MAN. I know exactly what it implies and I don't need or want to see it. At that point, it's not a private issue. It's rather clear cut and to the point just what exactly it's suggesting.
I get it that you're annoyed that people have the option to flirt with people of the same sex, and that it's there next to the picture of a MAN, (what about a woman who sees it next to the picture of another woman? does this not concern you?) But what do you do in real life? You have the option of flirting with whoever you want. If you want to flirt with a man you can, nothing is stopping you. Let me rephrase that, there is nothing artificial stopping you. You can flirt with a 90 year old man if you so desire, just because you don't want to doesn't mean you can't. Do you just not leave the house so you don't have the chance of flirting with a guy?
Funny article, funnier comments. C3PO a Homosexual? He's an android and he has no johnson, aren't those quite big drawbacks?
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R2D2 is probably gay tho, Did you see him communicate with the computer to get the bay doors open? "R2 get the doors open!" .BOOOINGGGG... hooks into wall .. doors come open. (snicker)
Suuuure the non believer will say he was "communicating with the computer" but we all know what that means.
That TOTALY looked like a Male Computer lol.
(all said in jest.. jest to show how silly and hillarious this thread is.... nice job Mr Coyote)
They should never have caved over the gays for god sake it's a game and the star wars universe where there are no gays in the lore they will breakback mountain the damn thing
Maybe you should go back and read about the lore before making a foul of yourself!
Bioware said that the game was to reflect the movies. There are no gays in any of the movies. I know people like to stretch and say Juhani was gay from KOTOR 1, because of same dialogue that was uniform regardless of the sex of your character but that is all debatable in my opinion; especially seeing as there was no actual relationship option. Secondarily, yes I know about the two Mandolorian characters, but that's really it, and that's a very very small portion of the Star Wars universe. It's nowhere near as prevalent as Bioware or the loud minority is making it out to be.
Using the "lore" to support your rampant homophobia is weak. Just because they don't mention homosexuals in the stories, doesn't mean there were none in the universe. If the ancient Greeks practiced same-sex relationships, why would it not happen in a technologically advanced society? Really, people, admit your own insecurities as such. That can be respected a bit more than hiding behind the lore to give weight to them.
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"I mean, Yoda spent most of a movie talking in a raspy voice to a young man while a fist was up his ass to the elbow, but somehow same sex relations were an altogether alien concept?"
I COULDN'T BREATH after reading this statment. Just priceless.
Awesome article.
Best I have read on this site for a while.
If the writer is the same writer, with the same personality and way of thinking, are you sure that you just didn't find the article a good one because you didn't really agree with the points he was trying to make or how he sees things, in just the same way that people who found the article great are saying it because they agree with his viewpoint?
This is the kind of reasoning and argumentation that makes me relate very much to the article writer's mindset.
The ACTUAL size of MMORPG worlds: a comparison list between MMO's
The ease with which predictions are made on these forums:
Fratman: "I'm saying Spring 2012 at the earliest [for TOR release]. Anyone still clinging to 2011 is deluding themself at this point."
Why do we constantly feel the need to walk on eggshells with homosexuals? What if there were only same race relationships? Would that make Bioware racists? Does the fact that there are relationships between different species make them zoophiles? It's like all people know how to do anymore is whine and complain. It doesn't matter what you do somebody is gonna throw a fit about it.
I wrote it just for this.
This is so pathetic it’s actually funny. The original writings are humorous with a collection of opinions which don’t aid or hinder the game what-so-ever. This fact alone should not inspire the amount of irrational responses it has, unless of course this game is the only way closet homosexuals can express themselves?
If your happiness is affected by the inclusion of same sex relationships in a game then you really need to go out into the real world. I live in a very repressed location with a very old fashioned and religious extended family surrounding me yet being gay is no longer a big deal, my son is gay, many of his friends are gay and yes some of these people (ok just two) are looking forward to the Star Wars MMORPG... In fact when I showed my homosexual (I have to include to highlight the point) son this thread he laughed, walked away and said the F word – and it wasn’t four lettered.
In all honesty this hatred and anger only comes from being repressed or bullied, but it’s not the MMORPG’s community or developer’s job to resolve that. Whoever gets angered and upset over the game not catering to all gender, sexuality, ethnicity is without a doubt a FOOL. It’s a game, pure and simple. It doesn’t HAVE to cater to any specific user base and the fact so many people were angered by the game not incorporating their same sex relationship escapism only highlights the impossible task a game developer has today!
I’m not expecting to be able to make a fat, old, overly hairy, English Indian man and I’m not in the slightest bit bothered. Should I be? Should I gather my fat brethren and like children in a toy shop stamp our feet and demand dialogue options for being out of breath or perhaps the chance to wield two drum sticks in combat? Why are the most stupid, selfish and hateful the most vocal and driven? And now imagine how the world would be if that wasn’t the case...
Wow... just because of this article, I'm so rolling a homosexual Sith Inquisitor. I get to hate on people, shoot lightning AND love musicals like Rent. Fan-f**cking-tastic!
WTB Pink Lightsaber.
Well done, and you're welcome
The ACTUAL size of MMORPG worlds: a comparison list between MMO's
The ease with which predictions are made on these forums:
Fratman: "I'm saying Spring 2012 at the earliest [for TOR release]. Anyone still clinging to 2011 is deluding themself at this point."
Cheers!
Nice one Coyote, I loled.
Also lol-worthy: the replies from those who seem to have misplaced their sense of humor a long time ago in a galaxy far, far away.
Star Wars is srs bzness!
OHHHH YEAAAAHHH !!! Sign me up for some of that HUTT LOVIN !!
Them Hutts sure know how to shake it.
Best to make sure its a female Hutt though, cause you know, that makes all the difference in the world .. LOL
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"I mean, Yoda spent most of a movie talking in a raspy voice to a young man while a fist was up his ass to the elbow, but somehow same sex relations were an altogether alien concept?"
Legendary!
If I weren't a lesbian I'd kiss Coyote for this gem.
Most entertaining read (including the comments) on the internet for me in a long while.
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Article = hilarious.
Large number of angry reply posts by people who don't seem to have a sense of humor = depressing.
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TL:DR Rough translation: I'm a creepy dude who likes to look up big words to empower myself because my voice will be heard by people who matter. Oh, wait...
Funny Article.
1 - I do not think that ToR will end up being screwed like SWG was by a Future NGE. While I can understand some people having lost trust towards Lucas Arts over NGE, these are two different games in two different times part of two different partnerships.
And besides, SW:TOR has been designed from the ground up to be what NGE tried to do, so there is no chance that a TOR-NGE will be introduced ever.
Now if you want to argue that, SW:TOR even if set in SW setting will not be like SWG (Pre-NGE), then I can agree with that, and I do not plan to play SW:TOR personally because it is nothing like SWG. One was Sandbox the other is Themepark. I am not interested in the Progression or Story Oriented gameplay of Themepark games, these are not fun for me in the long run and only keep my attention for a couple of months.
2 - Pretty much agree here. While I think Story is a very important part of an MMORPG, I disagree with the way it is implemented here. But that is a question of Taste. And there is no right or wrong in reality. Those who enjoy a Story Plastered progression as Opposed to a Story lacking Progression will enjoy the game.
To me it makes no difference, what I really dislike is the Progression Oriented Gameplay of Themeparks, story or no story, it does not change the nature of the gameplay in my view.
So I will not be playing SW:TOR, but I am not a moron nevertheless.
3 - This well, I agree and have no comments in relation to the Sex of the NPC companion, we live in the 21st century for crying out loud, it is about time we stop our connection to 2000 years old arcane views.
In terms of gameplay on the other hand, I see this feature like yet another step in to the Themepark design of segragating people further within an MMORPG. I mean...a first step was to have Solo Play within an MMORPG, WoW did this, now SW:ToR is taking it a step further, you do not even need to Socialise with other players anymore, now you will Socialise with NPC's...in an MMORPG.
How much further down the drain will the Themepark Design bring MMORPGs? It remains to be seen, it never seazes to appal me however.
Order of the Silver Star, OSS
ESKA, Playing MMORPG's since Ultima Online 1997 - Order of the Silver Serpent, Atlantic Shard
I get it that you're annoyed that people have the option to flirt with people of the same sex, and that it's there next to the picture of a MAN, (what about a woman who sees it next to the picture of another woman? does this not concern you?) But what do you do in real life? You have the option of flirting with whoever you want. If you want to flirt with a man you can, nothing is stopping you. Let me rephrase that, there is nothing artificial stopping you. You can flirt with a 90 year old man if you so desire, just because you don't want to doesn't mean you can't. Do you just not leave the house so you don't have the chance of flirting with a guy?
R2D2 is probably gay tho, Did you see him communicate with the computer to get the bay doors open? "R2 get the doors open!" .BOOOINGGGG... hooks into wall .. doors come open. (snicker)
Suuuure the non believer will say he was "communicating with the computer" but we all know what that means.
That TOTALY looked like a Male Computer lol.
(all said in jest.. jest to show how silly and hillarious this thread is.... nice job Mr Coyote)
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You can still kiss him NURTA
a) we wont tell nobody
b) just dont use your tongue
That may confuse some people 
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Using the "lore" to support your rampant homophobia is weak. Just because they don't mention homosexuals in the stories, doesn't mean there were none in the universe. If the ancient Greeks practiced same-sex relationships, why would it not happen in a technologically advanced society? Really, people, admit your own insecurities as such. That can be respected a bit more than hiding behind the lore to give weight to them.